Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup

Thanks for the link. I had no idea so much legal action was going on. I don't know if I am getting a biased view by looking at the GGYC press releases but it sure looks like the Swiss have been playing dirty and that is why it went to court. As most people believe, the America's Cup has nothing to do with the kind of sailing we do but it still is interesting to watch. I guess it is kind of like hang gliders being interested in the space shuttle. Allen On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:20 AM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Allen, > Go to the Golden Gate Yacht Club web site. It is all there, all the > legal manipulations. As it stands now Society Geneve has asked GGYC to drop > lawsuits in exchange for the Spanish venue. Mr Bertolini is very rich but > Larry Ellison has unlimited finances for the challenge. Alinghi is a knife > in a gun fight. > Dubai offered a lot of money to the "Swiss" and this time Mr. B. chose to > keep it all instead of sharing like he did last time. I for one have chosen > a spot in my yacht club for the cup, I will take a picture there with my > friends around the old mug as I did in San Diego when Mr. Connor brought the > cup back in 1987. > As ever, My Best, Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER >

As far as I am concerned the America's Cup should always take place here in the states anyone wishing to compete can for that honor here. It would be nice to see them get back to the basics of sail racing. Dave --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:56 AM Thanks .

Back to the old rules which limit the expenses involved by disallowing such things as gold for the ballast. Allen On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, David Brown <dr… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > As far as I am concerned the America's Cup should always take place here in > the states anyone wishing to compete can for that honor here. It would be > nice to see them get back to the basics of sail racing. > > Dave > > --- On *Wed, 12/9/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:56 AM > > > Thanks . > > > >

Allen, are you a hang glider? Me too. Got my Hang II back in 1981. Haven't flown much since tho. Makes sailing seem mostly sedate. It does make you appreciate the concept of angle of attack and stalling your wing (sail). In sailing, a stall condition makes you slow down, in flying, you fall out of the sky...maybe even crash burn and die. I think I'd rather just slow down a bit. Jerry --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:56 AM Thanks for the link. I had no idea so much legal action was going on. I don't know if I am getting a biased view by looking at the GGYC press releases but it sure looks like the Swiss have been playing dirty and that is why it went to court. As most people believe, the America's Cup has nothing to do with the kind of sailing we do but it still is interesting to watch. I guess it is kind of like hang gliders being interested in the space shuttle. Allen On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:20 AM, mike farrell <vectormenow@ yahoo.com> wrote: Allen, Go to the Golden Gate Yacht Club web site. It is all there, all the legal manipulations. As it stands now Society Geneve has asked GGYC to drop lawsuits in exchange for the Spanish venue. Mr Bertolini is very rich but Larry Ellison has unlimited finances for the challenge. Alinghi is a knife in a gun fight. Dubai offered a lot of money to the "Swiss" and this time Mr. B. chose to keep it all instead of sharing like he did last time. I for one have chosen a spot in my yacht club for the cup, I will take a picture there with my friends around the old mug as I did in San Diego when Mr. Connor brought the cup back in 1987. As ever, My Best, Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER

I am not a hang glider, it was just an analogy. I am way to afraid of falling out of the sky. I do look forward to the America's Cup though. I am also interested in the science of sailing. There are a series of great articles on the subject in the out of print "The Best of Sail Trim" Allen On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Allen, are you a hang glider? Me too. Got my Hang II back in 1981. Haven't > flown much since tho. Makes sailing seem mostly sedate. It does make you > appreciate the concept of angle of attack and stalling your wing (sail). In > sailing, a stall condition makes you slow down, in flying, you fall out of > the sky...maybe even crash burn and die. I think I'd rather just slow down a > bit. > Jerry > > --- On *Wed, 12/9/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:56 AM > > > > Thanks for the link. I had no idea so much legal action was going on. I > don't know if I am getting a biased view by looking at the GGYC press > releases but it sure looks like the Swiss have been playing dirty and that > is why it went to court. > > As most people believe, the America's Cup has nothing to do with the kind > of sailing we do but it still is interesting to watch. I guess it is kind of > like hang gliders being interested in the space shuttle. > > Allen > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:20 AM, mike farrell <vectormenow@ yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=ve… [at] yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> >> >> Allen, >> Go to the Golden Gate Yacht Club web site. It is all there, all >> the legal manipulations. As it stands now Society Geneve has asked GGYC to >> drop lawsuits in exchange for the Spanish venue. Mr Bertolini is very rich >> but Larry Ellison has unlimited finances for the challenge. Alinghi is a >> knife in a gun fight. >> Dubai offered a lot of money to the "Swiss" and this time Mr. B. chose to >> keep it all instead of sharing like he did last time. I for one have chosen >> a spot in my yacht club for the cup, I will take a picture there with my >> friends around the old mug as I did in San Diego when Mr. Connor brought the >> cup back in 1987. >> As ever, My Best, Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER >> > >

When your wind stops while sailing, you just stop. It is only significant if you are out of gas, too far from shore, or both. I was the investigating officer for a guy who managed to find a bit of windshear while hang gliding in Okinawa. Fell quite a ways and broke many body parts. He went alone so he spent the night on the ground in the back country of Okinawa. Somebody search on 'Habu' snakes. The island is rife with them, very aggressive, very poisonous. He was lucky and returned to duty 6 months later. I'll take sailing any day. ~Jon Cal27 MkIII To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:59:53 -0800 Subject: Re: Hang gliding and stalling, was: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup I am not a hang glider, it was just an analogy. I am way to afraid of falling out of the sky. I do look forward to the America's Cup though. I am also interested in the science of sailing. There are a series of great articles on the subject in the out of print "The Best of Sail Trim" Allen On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Allen, are you a hang glider? Me too. Got my Hang II back in 1981. Haven't flown much since tho. Makes sailing seem mostly sedate. It does make you appreciate the concept of angle of attack and stalling your wing (sail). In sailing, a stall condition makes you slow down, in flying, you fall out of the sky...maybe even crash burn and die. I think I'd rather just slow down a bit. Jerry --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:56 AM Thanks for the link. I had no idea so much legal action was going on. I don't know if I am getting a biased view by looking at the GGYC press releases but it sure looks like the Swiss have been playing dirty and that is why it went to court. As most people believe, the America's Cup has nothing to do with the kind of sailing we do but it still is interesting to watch. I guess it is kind of like hang gliders being interested in the space shuttle. Allen On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:20 AM, mike farrell <vectormenow@ yahoo.com> wrote: Allen, Go to the Golden Gate Yacht Club web site. It is all there, all the legal manipulations. As it stands now Society Geneve has asked GGYC to drop lawsuits in exchange for the Spanish venue. Mr Bertolini is very rich but Larry Ellison has unlimited finances for the challenge. Alinghi is a knife in a gun fight. Dubai offered a lot of money to the "Swiss" and this time Mr. B. chose to keep it all instead of sharing like he did last time. I for one have chosen a spot in my yacht club for the cup, I will take a picture there with my friends around the old mug as I did in San Diego when Mr. Connor brought the cup back in 1987. As ever, My Best, Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_7:092009

Allen, Does the deed of gift say anything about using depleted uranium for ballast, which has a greater density than lead? One Whitbred racer actually did this, but got busted and penalized for it. Jerry --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 10:15 AM Back to the old rules which limit the expenses involved by disallowing such things as gold for the ballast. Allen On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, David Brown <drybilge@yahoo. com> wrote: As far as I am concerned the America's Cup should always take place here in the states anyone wishing to compete can for that honor here. It would be nice to see them get back to the basics of sail racing. Dave --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:56 AM Thanks .

My understanding is that the dead of trust doesn't say much which is why they usually race with some agreed upon rules. It is the agreed upon rules that say no gold. This time they could not agree on the rules because this Swiss guy is a jerk as far as I can tell and was trying to cheat. Perhaps that is just one more example of one of my strongly held opinions but at least you know where I stand. Allen On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Allen, > Does the deed of gift say anything about using depleted uranium for > ballast, which has a greater density than lead? One Whitbred racer actually > did this, but got busted and penalized for it. > Jerry > > --- On *Wed, 12/9/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 10:15 AM > > > > Back to the old rules which limit the expenses involved by disallowing such > things as gold for the ballast. > > Allen > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, David Brown <drybilge@yahoo. com<http://mc/compose?to=dr… [at] yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> >> >> As far as I am concerned the America's Cup should always take place here >> in the states anyone wishing to compete can for that honor here. It would be >> nice to see them get back to the basics of sail racing. >> >> Dave >> >> --- On *Wed, 12/9/09, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com>*wrote: >> >> >> From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:56 AM >> >> >> Thanks . >> >> >> > >

Why limit the races to only US waters? The potential for a different venue depending on who won last seems like a worthy part of the competition. I would prefer though, to see the Deed of Gift amended to require that the races be held in the territorial waters of the Nation where the defending club is located. In other words, if a Swiss club is defending, the races should be on one of their lakes, NOT in Spain! I'd also like to see a requirement that all crew members must be citizens of the country of the club they sail for (being born in that country would be better......). Otherwise, I agree with your statement about getting back to the basics of sail racing. The America's Cup is not named for the USA, but for the name of original winner, the Schooner AMERICA. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:04:52 -0800 (PST) David Brown <dr… [at] yahoo.com> writes: As far as I am concerned the America's Cup should always take place here in the states anyone wishing to compete can for that honor here. It would be nice to see them get back to the basics of sail racing. Dave --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:56 AM Thanks . Cash Loan Need cash? Click to get a loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=i_eAnam9hHt2xEmJ4YL7WAAAJ1CIixW8vmHn6WPZlsvVErEuAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADdwAAAAA=

Personally, I think the crew should HAVE to be from the country the boat is supposed to be from, but I know I'm just an ignorant truck driver :-Þ Marsh Allen Edwards wrote: > > > My understanding is that the dead of trust doesn't say much which is > why they usually race with some agreed upon rules. It is the agreed > upon rules that say no gold. This time they could not agree on the > rules because this Swiss guy is a jerk as far as I can tell and was > trying to cheat. Perhaps that is just one more example of one of my > strongly held opinions but at least you know where I stand. > > Allen > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com > <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > Allen, > Does the deed of gift say anything about using depleted uranium > for ballast, which has a greater density than lead? One Whitbred > racer actually did this, but got busted and penalized for it. > Jerry > > --- On *Wed, 12/9/09, Allen Edwards > /<al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>/* wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 10:15 AM > > > > Back to the old rules which limit the expenses involved by > disallowing such things as gold for the ballast. > > > Allen > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, David Brown <drybilge@yahoo. > com <http://mc/compose?to=dr… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > As far as I am concerned the America's Cup should always > take place here in the states anyone wishing to compete > can for that honor here. It would be nice to see them get > back to the basics of sail racing. > > Dave > > --- On *Wed, 12/9/09, Allen Edwards /<allen.edwards@ > PaloAltoPhoto. com>/* wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > <http://mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:56 AM > > > Thanks . > > > > > > > -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> -Progress Village Community Website: <http://www.progress-village.com> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now! -=<www.sturmkatze.com>=-

'Cause I'm an American. An UGLY American. As in us and ours first. They practice that, why not us? My 2 silver pennies... Marsh Rodney G Johnson wrote: > > > Why limit the races to only US waters? The potential for a different > venue depending on who won last seems like a worthy part of the > competition. I would prefer though, to see the Deed of Gift amended to > require that the races be held in the territorial waters of the Nation > where the defending club is located. In other words, if a Swiss club > is defending, the races should be on one of their lakes, NOT in Spain! > I'd also like to see a requirement that all crew members must be > citizens of the country of the club they sail for (being born in that > country would be better......). Otherwise, I agree with your statement > about getting back to the basics of sail racing. > > The America's Cup is not named for the USA, but for the name of > original winner, the Schooner AMERICA. > > Rod Johnson, > "SUNBIRD" > 1979 O'DAY DS > II #10201 > former co-owner of > "NODROG" > 1970 CAL 21 #285 > > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:04:52 -0800 (PST) David Brown > <dr… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:dr… [at] yahoo.com>> writes: > > > > As far as I am concerned the America's Cup should always take > place here in the states anyone wishing to compete can for that > honor here. It would be nice to see them get back to the basics of > sail racing. > > Dave > > --- On *Wed, 12/9/09, Allen Edwards > /<al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>/* wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:56 AM > > > Thanks . > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Cash Loan > Need cash? Click to get a loan. > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2142/c?cp=i_eAnam9hHt2xEmJ4YL7WAAAJ1CIixW8vmHn6WPZlsvVErEuAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADdwAAAAA=> -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> -Progress Village Community Website: <http://www.progress-village.com> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now! -=<www.sturmkatze.com>=-