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Hoping I can ask a favor of fellow listees - any chance that when you're responding to a thread that you could lop off the excess messages? For those of us that receive digest messages the threads can be very difficult to read at times when they contain the orignial post and each comment made. If a message is commented on 15 times, the original message is repeated 15 times, the first reply 14, the second reply 13, and on and on. When you add the length of the original post and each subsequent comment, plus line upon line of signature and footer, the digest can very quickly become hard to follow. Not all of us have the time to view posts on the group site, or the bandwidth to receive each post individually, yet still want to keep up with what's going on with our fellow Cal enthusiasts. If any one us had a problem with or question about or Cals most on this list would jump to help. Please consider helping with digest messages, too. Best regards, John Caldwell 2-29 #966

John: I second your polite request. I always try to <SNIP> the excess threads out of courtesy to others. It only takes a second and also focuses readers on the reply and not the original posts. Call me anal retentive but that's just how I roll. Sometimes. Cheers, Danny > Hoping I can ask a favor of fellow listees - any chance that when you're responding to a thread that you could lop off the excess messages? <SNIP> > Best regards, > John Caldwell > 2-29 #966

Thanks, Danny! I always appeciate a considerate boater! --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Danny" <dbessmer@...> wrote: > > I second your polite request. I always try to <SNIP> the excess threads out of courtesy to others. It only takes a second and also focuses readers on the reply and not the original posts.

I'd just like to thank my fellow listees for beig such considerate boaters. You know, the kind that don't push big wakes in small marinas.... I'd like you all to have a glimpse of the digital wake some of you are kind enough to leave for digest subscribers. Here is my latest digest: <begin> There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1.1. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish From: Charles Strasburger 1.2. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish From: mike farrell 1.3. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish From: Marsh Wise 2a. Re: The correct pronunciation of "buoy" From: Charles Strasburger 2b. Re: The correct pronunciation of "buoy" From: mike farrell 2c. Re: The correct pronunciation of "buoy" From: Marsh Wise 3.1. Re: political in nature. "The fix" From: Allen Edwards 3.2. Re: political in nature. "The fix" From: Charles Strasburger 3.3. global warming (Allen) From: Marsh Wise 3.4. Re: political in nature. "The fix" From: Harleigh Ewell 3.5. Re: political in nature. "The fix" From: Marsh Wise 4a. Re: America's Cup...going for the gold (Allen) From: Marsh Wise 5a. Re: America's Cup From: Marsh Wise 6.1. Re: political in nature. "The fix" (Charles) From: Donald Dutton 7a. (no subject) From: Jeff Owen 7b. Re: (unknown) From: Marsh Wise 8a. Re: Sail Selection From: David Brown 8b. Re: Sail Selection From: pw… [at] aol.com 8c. Sheets and shackles, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Sail Selection(David) From: Gerald Sobel 9a. Re: Cal 31 dining table From: Harleigh Ewell 9b. Re: Cal 31 dining table From: pw… [at] aol.com 9c. Re: Cal 31 dining table From: egiajack 10.1. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish From: Harleigh Ewell 10.2. was: political rubbish (Harleigh) From: Marsh Wise 11.1. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal(Charles) From: Gerald Sobel Messages 1.1. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish Posted by: "Charles Strasburger" bo… [at] yahoo.com boomerang_cal39 Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:20 pm ((PST)) Mike, actually, that's the relatively new term for "laughing out loud..."....learned that years ago when I actually had AOL as my provider of choice.... sorry, its been a long day..! As and FYI, that's also what I was hoping to ellicit with my response to the whole buoy thing... Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 9:13:18 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish Please excuse my ignorance but to me LOL means little old lady, Am I missing something? I was born in 1945, Mu best , Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER From: Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 5:58:07 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish >From the New York Times...now THAT'S a superbly qualified source for REAL information! Who knew? LOL..... Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 1:30:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish Here is the full link. http://www.nytimes.. com/interactive/ 2009/12/07/ science/20091207 _CLIMATE_ TIMELINE. html?nl=us&emc=politicsemailem b2 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: >Dear fellow Cal boaters, >This subject is rather live lee and you can see that by the number of posts. I don't think Global warming is political topic, I think it is a question of science. Last night I was looking at a New York Times interactive article showing the timeline on this subject. > >http://www.nytimes. com/interactive/ 2009/12/07/ scie/20091207_ CLIMATE_TIMELINE .html > >It seems that the discovery that CO2 was an important green house gas which effects Earth's temperature occurred in 1820, and was continually confirmed by additional discoveries at a rapidly increasing pace in the intervening years. I also read last summer that in many vast areas there is currently less sunlight reaching the earth, blocked by a huge increae in the volume of particulates from belching smoke stacks and other industrial activities, for example, from China and India. Also currently the Sun's solar activity has entered a period of reduced output, and normally that would be followed by a decline in the average Earth temperatures. Anyway, if you have been following the literature these days not a week goes by without reading in the popular press about a new scientific observation relating to the heating up of our dear planet and the environmental changes that are occurring. Just yesterday I heard about a new observation with respect to polar bears: cannibalism: males snatching polar bear cubs from their mothers and devouring them, something here to fore not seen. So, just a warning, the next guy dress in whites who boards your Cal while yo are under weigh may be looking for more than your ship's papers and your safety equipment! > >My my, Mr. Coastguards- man, what BIG TEETH YOU HAVE! >Jerry (Alias:Goldielocks) >PS: see the tiny boxes, check them off, and click delete, it this subject causes you anxiety, the rest of us are having fun. Why is it making some people so angry? > > >--- On Wed, 12/9/09, john zajac <maddcavah@yahoo. com> wrote: > > >>From: john zajac <maddcavah@yahoo. com> >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:01 AM >> >> >> >>Boy, there sure does take some effort to clear the "non Cal Boat threads" from my inbox....... .... Take it elsewhere, I joined for Cal or sailing topics. how bout you ? >> >> >> >> From: Wayne Gillikin <waynegillikin@ yahoo.com> >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 11:38:07 AM >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >> >> >>The madness that really needs to stop is this thread! >> >> >> >> From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 11:05:20 AM >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >> >> >>Charles, >> >>When I said scientist who actually study the stuff, I was referring to scientist who actually study the stuff. I have a MS degree in EE (Toby for Heisman!) but I was not talking about people like us. There are many scientist who don't believe in global warming and many of the more vocal ones also hold the other positions I outlined. Now, you may agree that smoking causes cancer and that Hitler killed a lot of jews, or that all the moons around Mars are natuaral, but those are not positions held by the more vocal skeptics. >> >>If you choose to ignore the science, you are in the company of those fine scientists but that doesn't make you a bad person and doesn't mean you hold other crazy positions. By fine scientist I mean fine in their fields, which don't hapen to be climate science. >> >>As far as getting the memo, do you realize the earth is warming, the ice caps are melting, and there are more forest fires as a result? You don't need predictions, this stuff is happening. The fire fighters know there is global warming and they are not even scientists. >> >>Now, back to boats. No more on this for me. >> >>Allen >> >> >>On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>>As much as I hate this thread, Allen and others, did you not get the memo? I AM a scientist, and an engineer, along with being a successful technologist. . ... the latest memo unequivocally anulled the myth....there will be no sinking islands to sail over, they do that naturally; there will be no raining polar bears that would crash into your boat and you will be able to see them while sailing the northern routes because there numbers are actually UP; and BECAUSE of CO2 the palm trees will continue to breathe it in and produce O2 for YOU to breathe... >>> >>>This madness needs to stop...I used to be an enviornmentalist (limited), and still advocate things like keeping your trash and cigarette butts on board, but the rest of this madness has got to stop. For God's Sake, do some research, and NOTon a blog site.... >>> >>> >>>Charles >>>S/V Boomerang! >>>1980 Cal 39, Mark II >>>St Michaels, MD >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >>> >>>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 12:38:29 AM >>> >>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >>> >>> >>>I thought this thread would die but it just doesn't seem to want to.. I really don't want to chime in as I just know someone will jump on me rightfully and tell me to shut the fu*k up. But let me see if I have this right. >>> >>> >>>On the one hand we are talking about the probable extension of the human race, something most all knowledgeable scientists, the ones who actually study this stuff, think is a real possibility if we don't change our ways. >>> >>> >>>Of course not everyone believes this so if you want to be on the side populated by people who don't believe in the holocaust, don't think cigarettes cause cancer, or think that one of Mars' moons is a satellites made by Martians then by all means go for it. >>> >>> >>>On the other hand you have the possibility that someone might possibly want to tax boats, something that as far as I know nobody has raised. >>> >>> >>>Tough choice. >>> >>> >>>Now, if they ban fiberglass, you will all be sailing boats like mine. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Allen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Jerry, I need to get you on a different list, one that will truly show you how to troll and get people really riled up. My Gods man, you were a naval aviator... more poking the toad, less happiness. A small bomb that will grow to epic proportions. ... Perhaps advocate a "boat tax" or the banning of all resin and epoxy products... A new presidential ticket, say Obama and Jerry Brown... :-Þ I have found that mixing Ebonics w/ German or w/ something like Southern English will help. >>>>Marsh >>>> >>>> >>>>Gerald Sobel wrote: >>> >>> >> >> >> Messages in this topic (70) 1.2. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish Posted by: "mike farrell" ve… [at] yahoo.com vectormenow Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:25 pm ((PST)) OK! Laughter is good! My Best, Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114, RAMBLER From: Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 6:20:16 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish Mike, actually, that's the relatively new term for "laughing out loud..."...learned that years ago when I actually had AOL as my provider of choice.... sorry, its been a long day..! As and FYI, that's also what I was hoping to ellicit with my response to the whole buoy thing... Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 9:13:18 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish Please excuse my ignorance but to me LOL means little old lady, Am I missing something? I was born in 1945, Mu best , Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER From: Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 5:58:07 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish >From the New York Times...now THAT'S a superbly qualified source for REAL information! Who knew? LOL..... Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 1:30:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish Here is the full link. http://www.nytimes. com/interactive/ 2009/12/07/ science/20091207 _CLIMATE_ TIMELINE. html?nl=us&emc=politicsemailem b2 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: >Dear fellow Cal boaters, >This subject is rather live lee and you can see that by the number of posts. I don't think Global warming is political topic, I think it is a question of science. Last night I was looking at a New York Times interactive article showing the timeline on this subject. > >http://www.nytimes. com/interactive/ 2009/12/07/ scie/20091207_ CLIMATE_TIMELINE .html > >It seems that the discovery that CO2 was an important green house gas which effects Earth's temperature occurred in 1820, and was continually confirmed by additional discoveries at a rapidly increasing pace in the intervening years. I also read last summer that in many vast areas there is currently less sunlight reaching the earth, blocked by a huge increae in the volume of particulates from belching smoke stacks and other industrial activities, for example, from China and India. Also currently the Sun's solar activity has entered a period of reduced output, and normally that would be followed by a decline in the average Earth temperatures. Anyway, if you have been following the literature these days not a week goes by without reading in the popular press about a new scientific observation relating to the heating up of our dear planet and the environmental changes that are occurring. Just yesterday I heard about a new observation with respect to polar bears: cannibalism: males snatching polar bear cubs from their mothers and devouring them, something here to fore not seen. So, just a warning, the next guy dress in whites who boards your Cal while yo are under weigh may be looking for more than your ship's papers and your safety equipment! > >My my, Mr. Coastguards- man, what BIG TEETH YOU HAVE! >Jerry (Alias:Goldielocks) >PS: see the tiny boxes, check them off, and click delete, it this subject causes you anxiety, the rest of us are having fun. Why is it making some people so angry? > > >--- On Wed, 12/9/09, john zajac <maddcavah@yahoo. com> wrote: > > >>From: john zajac <maddcavah@yahoo. com> >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:01 AM >> >> >> >>Boy, there sure does take some effort to clear the "non Cal Boat threads" from my inbox....... .... Take it elsewhere, I joined for Cal or sailing topics. how bout you ? >> >> >> >> From: Wayne Gillikin <waynegillikin@ yahoo.com> >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 11:38:07 AM >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >> >> >>The madness that really needs to stop is this thread! >> >> >> >> From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 11:05:20 AM >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >> >> >>Charles, >> >>When I said scientist who actually study the stuff, I was referring to scientist who actually study the stuff. I have a MS degree in EE (Toby for Heisman!) but I was not talking about people like us. There are many scientist who don't believe in global warming and many of the more vocal ones also hold the other positions I outlined. Now, you may agree that smoking causes cancer and that Hitler killed a lot of jews, or that all the moons around Mars are natuaral, but those are not positions held by the more vocal skeptics. >> >>If you choose to ignore the science, you are in the company of those fine scientists but that doesn't make you a bad person and doesn't mean you hold other crazy positions. By fine scientist I mean fine in their fields, which don't hapen to be climate science. >> >>As far as getting the memo, do you realize the earth is warming, the ice caps are melting, and there are more forest fires as a result? You don't need predictions, this stuff is happening. The fire fighters know there is global warming and they are not even scientists. >> >>Now, back to boats. No more on this for me. >> >>Allen >> >> >>On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>>As much as I hate this thread, Allen and others, did you not get the memo? I AM a scientist, and an engineer, along with being a successful technologist.. . ... the latest memo unequivocally anulled the myth....there will be no sinking islands to sail over, they do that naturally; there will be no raining polar bears that would crash into your boat and you will be able to see them while sailing the northern routes because there numbers are actually UP; and BECAUSE of CO2 the palm trees will continue to breathe it in and produce O2 for YOU to breathe... >>> >>>This madness needs to stop...I used to be an enviornmentalist (limited), and still advocate things like keeping your trash and cigarette butts on board, but the rest of this madness has got to stop. For God's Sake, do some research, and NOTon a blog site.... >>> >>> >>>Charles >>>S/V Boomerang! >>>1980 Cal 39, Mark II >>>St Michaels, MD >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >>> >>>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 12:38:29 AM >>> >>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >>> >>> >>>I thought this thread would die but it just doesn't seem to want to.. I really don't want to chime in as I just know someone will jump on me rightfully and tell me to shut the fu*k up. But let me see if I have this right. >>> >>> >>>On the one hand we are talking about the probable extension of the human race, something most all knowledgeable scientists, the ones who actually study this stuff, think is a real possibility if we don't change our ways. >>> >>> >>>Of course not everyone believes this so if you want to be on the side populated by people who don't believe in the holocaust, don't think cigarettes cause cancer, or think that one of Mars' moons is a satellites made by Martians then by all means go for it. >>> >>> >>>On the other hand you have the possibility that someone might possibly want to tax boats, something that as far as I know nobody has raised. >>> >>> >>>Tough choice. >>> >>> >>>Now, if they ban fiberglass, you will all be sailing boats like mine. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Allen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Jerry, I need to get you on a different list, one that will truly show you how to troll and get people really riled up. My Gods man, you were a naval aviator... more poking the toad, less happiness. A small bomb that will grow to epic proportions. .... Perhaps advocate a "boat tax" or the banning of all resin and epoxy products... A new presidential ticket, say Obama and Jerry Brown... :-Þ I have found that mixing Ebonics w/ German or w/ something like Southern English will help. >>>>Marsh >>>> >>>> >>>>Gerald Sobel wrote: >>> >>> >> >> >> Messages in this topic (70) 1.3. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish Posted by: "Marsh Wise" ma… [at] reenactor.net sturmkatze Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:53 pm ((PST)) online and text message shorthand for "laugh out loud" and you might see RAOFLMAO which means "rolling around on floor laughing my ass off." See the great things you learn from people on this list! Best, Marsh mike farrell wrote: > > > Please excuse my ignorance but to me LOL means little old lady, > Am I missing something? I was born in 1945, > Mu best , Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wed, December 9, 2009 5:58:07 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, > was: political rubbish > > > > From the New York Times...now THAT'S a superbly qualified source for > REAL information! > > Who knew? LOL..... > > Charles > S/V Boomerang! > 1980 Cal 39, Mark II > St Michaels, MD > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wed, December 9, 2009 1:30:02 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, > was: political rubbish > > > > Here is the full link. > > http://www.nytimes. com/interactive/ 2009/12/07/ science/20091207 > _CLIMATE_ TIMELINE. html?nl=us&emc=politicsemailem b2 > <http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/12/07/science/20091207_CLIMATE_TIMELINE.html?nl=us&emc=politicsemailemb2> > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com > <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > Dear fellow Cal boaters, > This subject is rather live lee and you can see that by the number > of posts. I don't think Global warming is political topic, I think > it is a question of science. Last night I was looking at a New > York Times interactive article showing the timeline on this subject. > > http://www.nytimes. com/interactive/ 2009/12/07/ scie/20091207_ > CLIMATE_TIMELINE .html > <http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/12/07/scie/20091207_CLIMATE_TIMELINE.html> > > > It seems that the discovery that CO2 was an important green house > gas which effects Earth's temperature occurred in 1820, and was > continually confirmed by additional discoveries at a rapidly > increasing pace in the intervening years. I also read last summer > that in many vast areas there is currently less sunlight reaching > the earth, blocked by a huge increae in the volume of > particulates from belching smoke stacks and other industrial > activities, for example, from China and India. Also currently the > Sun's solar activity has entered a period of reduced output, and > normally that would be followed by a decline in the average Earth > temperatures. Anyway, if you have been following the literature > these days not a week goes by without reading in the popular press > about a new scientific observation relating to the heating up of > our dear planet and the environmental changes that are occurring. > Just yesterday I heard about a new observation with respect to > polar bears: cannibalism: males snatching polar bear cubs from > their mothers and devouring them, something here to fore not seen. > So, just a warning, the next guy dress in whites who boards your > Cal while yo are under weigh may be looking for more than your > ship's papers and your safety equipment! > > My my, Mr. Coastguards- man, what BIG TEETH YOU HAVE! > Jerry (Alias:Goldielocks) > PS: see the tiny boxes, check them off, and click delete, it this > subject causes you anxiety, the rest of us are having fun. Why is > it making some people so angry? > > > --- On *Wed, 12/9/09, john zajac /<maddcavah@yahoo. com > <mailto:ma… [at] yahoo.com>>/* wrote: > > > From: john zajac <maddcavah@yahoo. com > <mailto:ma… [at] yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:01 AM > > > Boy, there sure does take some effort to clear the "non Cal > Boat threads" from my inbox....... .... Take it elsewhere, I > joined for Cal or sailing topics. how bout you ? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Wayne Gillikin <waynegillikin@ yahoo.com > <http://yahoo.com/>> > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com/> > *Sent:* Wed, December 9, 2009 11:38:07 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" > > > The madness that really needs to stop is this thread! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com/> > *Sent:* Wed, December 9, 2009 11:05:20 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" > > > > Charles, > > When I said scientist who actually study the stuff, I was > referring to scientist who actually study the stuff. I have a > MS degree in EE (Toby for Heisman!) but I was not talking > about people like us. There are many scientist who don't > believe in global warming and many of the more vocal ones also > hold the other positions I outlined. Now, you may agree that > smoking causes cancer and that Hitler killed a lot of jews, or > that all the moons around Mars are natuaral, but those are not > positions held by the more vocal skeptics. > > If you choose to ignore the science, you are in the company of > those fine scientists but that doesn't make you a bad person > and doesn't mean you hold other crazy positions. By fine > scientist I mean fine in their fields, which don't hapen to be > climate science. > > As far as getting the memo, do you realize the earth is > warming, the ice caps are melting, and there are more forest > fires as a result? You don't need predictions, this stuff is > happening. The fire fighters know there is global warming and > they are not even scientists. > > Now, back to boats. No more on this for me. > > Allen > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Charles Strasburger > <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com > <http://mc/compose?to=bo… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > As much as I hate this thread, Allen and others, did you > not get the memo? I AM a scientist, and an engineer, > along with being a successful technologist.. ... the > latest memo unequivocally anulled the myth....there will > be no sinking islands to sail over, they do that > naturally; there will be no raining polar bears that would > crash into your boat and you will be able to see them > while sailing the northern routes because there numbers > are actually UP; and BECAUSE of CO2 the palm trees will > continue to breathe it in and produce O2 for YOU to > breathe... > > This madness needs to stop...I used to be an > enviornmentalist (limited), and still advocate things like > keeping your trash and cigarette butts on board, but the > rest of this madness has got to stop. For God's Sake, do > some research, and NOTon a blog site.... > > > Charles > S/V Boomerang! > 1980 Cal 39, Mark II > St Michaels, MD > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > <http://mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wed, December 9, 2009 12:38:29 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" > > > I thought this thread would die but it just doesn't seem > to want to.. I really don't want to chime in as I just > know someone will jump on me rightfully and tell me to > shut the fu*k up. But let me see if I have this right. > > On the one hand we are talking about the > probable extension of the human race, something most > all knowledgeable scientists, the ones who actually study > this stuff, think is a real possibility if we don't change > our ways. > > Of course not everyone believes this so if you want to be > on the side populated by people who don't believe in the > holocaust, don't think cigarettes cause cancer, or think > that one of Mars' moons is a satellites made by Martians > then by all means go for it. > > On the other hand you have the possibility that someone > might possibly want to tax boats, something that as far as > I know nobody has raised. > > Tough choice. > > Now, if they ban fiberglass, you will all be sailing boats > like mine. > > > Allen > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Marsh Wise > <marsh@reenactor. net > <http://mc/compose?to=ma… [at] reenactor..net>> wrote: > > > > Jerry, I need to get you on a different list, one that > will truly show you how to troll and get people really > riled up. My Gods man, you were a naval aviator... > more poking the toad, less happiness. A small bomb > that will grow to epic proportions. ... Perhaps > advocate a "boat tax" or the banning of all resin and > epoxy products... A new presidential ticket, say Obama > and Jerry Brown... :-Þ I have found that mixing > Ebonics w/ German or w/ something like Southern > English will help. > Marsh > > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> -Progress Village Community Website: <http://www.progress-village.com> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now! -=<www.sturmkatze.com>=- Messages in this topic (70) 2a. Re: The correct pronunciation of "buoy" Posted by: "Charles Strasburger" bo… [at] yahoo.com boomerang_cal39 Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:22 pm ((PST)) And here, LOL would again apply! Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 9:15:47 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The correct pronunciation of "buoy" I respectfully disagree. I will continue to say BOOEY, and I will enjoy the hell out of it. My Best, Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 Rambler From: Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 6:06:58 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The correct pronunciation of "buoy" Although both are in the dictionary, BOY is the correct nautical pronunciation. ...either is correct however I suppose....I mean do you care how its prononced when your mate says "LOOK OUT FOR THE BUOY" when you are about to run one over because of the obnoxious 96" powerboat that wakes the hell out of you? Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: gcruden <gcruden@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 4:11:22 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] The correct pronunciation of "buoy" If you all wouldn't mind participating in my linguistic indulgence, a friend and I are having a friendly dispute over the common pronunciation of "buoy" and your input is appreciated. To present this in neutral terms, one of us maintains that the correct and more common pronunciation is like "boy" while the other of us says "boo-ee" and the dictionary says both are correct. What say you? Runrig 1969 Cal 2-24 Messages in this topic (14) 2b. Re: The correct pronunciation of "buoy" Posted by: "mike farrell" ve… [at] yahoo.com vectormenow Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:24 pm ((PST)) In the Sausalito yc winter series the wind was very lite and the tide was flooding. I rounded Knox but I should have given more room. My crew tried to fend off with their legs. The topsides of JUPITER, Hinckley Pilot 35 were damaged by the barnicales(sp?) as I scraped past the BOOEY. I did NOT do a 720. WTF---OVER! BOOEY or BOY thank the YRA for inflatibles! Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 6:14:52 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The correct pronunciation of "buoy" In the Master Mariners race a few years ago the L-36 Ole hit Harding Rock Buoy head on doing over $60,000 damage shattering the stem and breaking the mast. http://l-36.com/ole.php http://www.northbayboatworks.com/BoatsRepaired/Ole/Ole.html You really don't want to hit one no matter what you call it. Allen On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >Although both are in the dictionary, BOY is the correct nautical pronunciation....either is correct however I suppose....I mean do you care how its prononced when your mate says "LOOK OUT FOR THE BUOY" when you are about to run one over because of the obnoxious 96" powerboat that wakes the hell out of you? > Charles >S/V Boomerang! >1980 Cal 39, Mark II >St Michaels, MD > > > > > From: gcruden <gc… [at] yahoo.com> > >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 4:11:22 PM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] The correct pronunciation of "buoy" > > > >If you all wouldn't mind participating in my linguistic indulgence, a friend and I are having a friendly dispute over the common pronunciation of "buoy" and your input is appreciated. To present this in neutral terms, one of us maintains that the correct and more common pronunciation is like "boy" while the other of us says "boo-ee" and the dictionary says both are correct. What say you? > >Runrig >1969 Cal 2-24 > > > Messages in this topic (14) 2c. Re: The correct pronunciation of "buoy" Posted by: "Marsh Wise" ma… [at] reenactor.net sturmkatze Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:46 pm ((PST)) me 2 Allen Edwards wrote: > > > I am in the boo-ee camp. I have never heard anyone say boy when they > meant buoy. ;-) > > Allen > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:11 PM, gcruden <gc… [at] yahoo.com > <mailto:gc… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > > If you all wouldn't mind participating in my linguistic > indulgence, a friend and I are having a friendly dispute over the > common pronunciation of "buoy" and your input is appreciated. To > present this in neutral terms, one of us maintains that the > correct and more common pronunciation is like "boy" while the > other of us says "boo-ee" and the dictionary says both are > correct. What say you? > > Runrig > 1969 Cal 2-24 > > > > > -- *) ..*) .*) (. (.'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> -Progress Village Community Website: <http://www.progress-village.com> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now! -=<www.sturmkatze.com>=- Messages in this topic (14) 3.1. Re: political in nature. "The fix" Posted by: "Allen Edwards" al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com xhpspd Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:24 pm ((PST)) This just won't die. I can't let this go though. The problem is that global warming is probably the smallest effect of yearly temperature change on the planet of all the effects. It is only 0.02 degrees per year. The other cyclic changes are much larger. Global warming is just lost in the noise of these larger effects. But if you average over many years the noise gets averaged out and the non-noise gets amplified. I am sure you are familiar with the idea. You are comparing 1998, the hottest year on record, with the years that followed and that just isn't the way to find such a small effect. What you are doing is amplifying the noise by careful selection of starting point. Look at this graph http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/wmo.png <http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/wmo.png>And data just released says that this decade is the hottest one on record even though your hot year was last decade. 0.02 degrees per year is very small and very hard to measure. Over 100 years it is going be catastrophic if we let it continue. Maybe we shouldn't care, afterall we will all be dead and global warming isn't going to kill any of us. Allen On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Charles Strasburger < bo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Me too, Allen...MSEE, Ga Tech, but also my undergrad in > BioSciences...wanted to work for the Cousteau Society orginally....then IBM > called...and well beyond that now, on my own for years. > > Interesting view, but I respectfully submit that your data is factually > incorrect. In fact in a cooling trend for the last 12 years...that is the > fact, and likely why the name mysteriously changed to climate change... My > best friend is a geologist with his PhD....and spends a substantial amount > of time on the north and south poles...and FYI, geology, unlike "climate > science", is exact...the data just doesn't bear out the "feelings" of the > climate left.... > > I agree, though, back to sailing.... > > Charles > S/V Boomerang! > 1980 Cal 39, Mark II > St Michaels, MD > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wed, December 9, 2009 11:05:20 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" > > > > Charles, > > > When I said scientist who actually study the stuff, I was referring to > scientist who actually study the stuff. I have a MS degree in EE (Toby for > Heisman!) but I was not talking about people like us. There are many > scientist who don't believe in global warming and many of the more vocal > ones also hold the other positions I outlined. Now, you may agree that > smoking causes cancer and that Hitler killed a lot of jews, or that all the > moons around Mars are natuaral, but those are not positions held by the more > vocal skeptics. > > If you choose to ignore the science, you are in the company of those fine > scientists but that doesn't make you a bad person and doesn't mean you hold > other crazy positions. By fine scientist I mean fine in their fields, which > don't hapen to be climate science. > > As far as getting the memo, do you realize the earth is warming, the ice > caps are melting, and there are more forest fires as a result? You don't > need predictions, this stuff is happening. The fire fighters know there is > global warming and they are not even scientists. > > Now, back to boats. No more on this for me. > > Allen > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ > yahoo.com <bo… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: > >> >> >> As much as I hate this thread, Allen and others, did you not get the >> memo? I AM a scientist, and an engineer, along with being a successful >> technologist. ... the latest memo unequivocally anulled the myth.....there >> will be no sinking islands to sail over, they do that naturally; there will >> be no raining polar bears that would crash into your boat and you will be >> able to see them while sailing the northern routes because there numbers are >> actually UP; and BECAUSE of CO2 the palm trees will continue to breathe it >> in and produce O2 for YOU to breathe.... >> >> This madness needs to stop...I used to be an enviornmentalist (limited), >> and still advocate things like keeping your trash and cigarette butts on >> board, but the rest of this madness has got to stop. For God's Sake, do >> some research, and NOTon a blog site..... >> >> >> Charles >> S/V Boomerang! >> 1980 Cal 39, Mark II >> St Michaels, MD >> >> >> >> > > > Messages in this topic (70) 3.2. Re: political in nature. "The fix" Posted by: "Charles Strasburger" bo… [at] yahoo.com boomerang_cal39 Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:34 pm ((PST)) Princeton, and paul krugman....? Really? Yesterday krugman was a climatologist and today he is an economist....and a high standing member of the annointed one's team... Please, Allen, can you say data manipulation? The fact is, these people embedded the "data" in the code...a serious breach of ethical code design, in reference to software development and statistical analysis......meaning the data cannot be replicated, and cannot be used appropriately, not to mention a its serious breach of ethics..... meaning, again, there is no trusting the output for modeling. I agree this thread needs to die... I could go on and on with the factual representation of how the "data" was manipulated....but most here would likely not understand.... Back to Sailing, something we can all agree on, and we ALL know what we are talking about.... Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 9:24:34 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" This just won't die. I can't let this go though. The problem is that global warming is probably the smallest effect of yearly temperature change on the planet of all the effects. It is only 0.02 degrees per year. The other cyclic changes are much larger. Global warming is just lost in the noise of these larger effects. But if you average over many years the noise gets averaged out and the non-noise gets amplified. I am sure you are familiar with the idea. You are comparing 1998, the hottest year on record, with the years that followed and that just isn't the way to find such a small effect. What you are doing is amplifying the noise by careful selection of starting point. Look at this graph http://www.princeto n.edu/~pkrugman/ wmo.png And data just released says that this decade is the hottest one on record even though your hot year was last decade. 0.02 degrees per year is very small and very hard to measure. Over 100 years it is going be catastrophic if we let it continue. Maybe we shouldn't care, afterall we will all be dead and global warming isn't going to kill any of us. Allen On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> wrote: >Me too, Allen...MSEE, Ga Tech, but also my undergrad in BioSciences. ..wanted to work for the Cousteau Society orginally.... .then IBM called...and well beyond that now, on my own for years. > >Interesting view, but I respectfully submit that your data is factually incorrect. In fact in a cooling trend for the last 12 years...that is the fact, and likely why the name mysteriously changed to climate change... My best friend is a geologist with his PhD....and spends a substantial amount of time on the north and south poles...and FYI, geology, unlike "climate science", is exact...the data just doesn't bear out the "feelings" of the climate left.... > >I agree, though, back to sailing.... > >Charles >S/V Boomerang! >1980 Cal 39, Mark II >St Michaels, MD > > > > > From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 11:05:20 AM > >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" > > >Charles, > > >When I said scientist who actually study the stuff, I was referring to scientist who actually study the stuff. I have a MS degree in EE (Toby for Heisman!) but I was not talking about people like us. There are many scientist who don't believe in global warming and many of the more vocal ones also hold the other positions I outlined. Now, you may agree that smoking causes cancer and that Hitler killed a lot of jews, or that all the moons around Mars are natuaral, but those are not positions held by the more vocal skeptics.. > >If you choose to ignore the science, you are in the company of those fine scientists but that doesn't make you a bad person and doesn't mean you hold other crazy positions. By fine scientist I mean fine in their fields, which don't hapen to be climate science. > >As far as getting the memo, do you realize the earth is warming, the ice caps are melting, and there are more forest fires as a result? You don't need predictions, this stuff is happening. The fire fighters know there is global warming and they are not even scientists. > >Now, back to boats. No more on this for me. > >Allen > > >On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>As much as I hate this thread, Allen and others, did you not get the memo? I AM a scientist, and an engineer, along with being a successful technologist. ... the latest memo unequivocally anulled the myth.....there will be no sinking islands to sail over, they do that naturally; there will be no raining polar bears that would crash into your boat and you will be able to see them while sailing the northern routes because there numbers are actually UP; and BECAUSE of CO2 the palm trees will continue to breathe it in and produce O2 for YOU to breathe.... >> >>This madness needs to stop...I used to be an enviornmentalist (limited), and still advocate things like keeping your trash and cigarette butts on board, but the rest of this madness has got to stop. For God's Sake, do some research, and NOTon a blog site..... >> >> >>Charles >>S/V Boomerang! >>1980 Cal 39, Mark II >>St Michaels, MD >> >> >> >> > Messages in this topic (70) 3.3. global warming (Allen) Posted by: "Marsh Wise" ma… [at] reenactor.net sturmkatze Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:55 pm ((PST)) Allen, how long have they been keeping records for? As in when did they start? Personally, my belief is that the cycles are much bigger. Alas, we're all about "now" these days... life and nature take the long view. Marsh Allen Edwards wrote: > > > This just won't die. I can't let this go though. The problem is that > global warming is probably the smallest effect of yearly temperature > change on the planet of all the effects. It is only 0.02 degrees per > year. The other cyclic changes are much larger. Global warming is > just lost in the noise of these larger effects. But if you average > over many years the noise gets averaged out and the non-noise gets > amplified. I am sure you are familiar with the idea. You are > comparing 1998, the hottest year on record, with the years that > followed and that just isn't the way to find such a small effect. > What you are doing is amplifying the noise by careful selection of > starting point. > > Look at this graph > http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/wmo.png > <http://www.princeton.edu/%7Epkrugman/wmo.png> > > And data just released says that this decade is the hottest one on > record even though your hot year was last decade. > > 0.02 degrees per year is very small and very hard to measure. Over > 100 years it is going be catastrophic if we let it continue. Maybe we > shouldn't care, afterall we will all be dead and global warming isn't > going to kill any of us. > > Allen Messages in this topic (70) 3.4. Re: political in nature. "The fix" Posted by: "Harleigh Ewell" he… [at] comcast.net harleighpewell Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:58 pm ((PST)) Everybody who is more conservative than I am is a selfish idiot. Everyone who is more liberal than I am lacks intellectual rigor and may be a terrorist. Seriously, the delete key is not the solution. This group has survived and thrived because we don?t stick with these types of topics when they spring up. This thread has been d

Well John, that's why most people don't get on a digest on a busy list. Digests were good in 1998, now they are less so. John Caldwell wrote: > I'd just like to thank my fellow listees for beig such considerate boaters. You know, the kind that don't push big wakes in small marinas.... > > I'd like you all to have a glimpse of the digital wake some of you are kind enough to leave for digest subscribers. Here is my latest digest: > > <begin> > > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1.1. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish > From: Charles Strasburger > 1.2. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish > From: mike farrell > 1.3. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish > From: Marsh Wise > > 2a. Re: The correct pronunciation of "buoy" > From: Charles Strasburger > 2b. Re: The correct pronunciation of "buoy" > From: mike farrell > 2c. Re: The correct pronunciation of "buoy" > From: Marsh Wise > > 3.1. Re: political in nature. "The fix" > From: Allen Edwards > 3.2. Re: political in nature. "The fix" > From: Charles Strasburger > 3.3. global warming (Allen) > From: Marsh Wise > 3.4. Re: political in nature. "The fix" > From: Harleigh Ewell > 3.5. Re: political in nature. "The fix" > From: Marsh Wise > > 4a. Re: America's Cup...going for the gold (Allen) > From: Marsh Wise > > 5a. Re: America's Cup > From: Marsh Wise > > 6.1. Re: political in nature. "The fix" (Charles) > From: Donald Dutton > > 7a. (no subject) > From: Jeff Owen > 7b. Re: (unknown) > From: Marsh Wise > > 8a. Re: Sail Selection > From: David Brown > 8b. Re: Sail Selection > From: pw… [at] aol.com > 8c. Sheets and shackles, was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Sail Selection(David) > From: Gerald Sobel > > 9a. Re: Cal 31 dining table > From: Harleigh Ewell > 9b. Re: Cal 31 dining table > From: pw… [at] aol.com > 9c. Re: Cal 31 dining table > From: egiajack > > 10.1. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish > From: Harleigh Ewell > 10.2. was: political rubbish (Harleigh) > From: Marsh Wise > > 11.1. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal(Charles) > From: Gerald Sobel > > > Messages > ________________________________________________________________________ > 1.1. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish > Posted by: "Charles Strasburger" bo… [at] yahoo.com boomerang_cal39 > Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:20 pm ((PST)) > > Mike, actually, that's the relatively new term for "laughing out loud..."....learned that years ago when I actually had AOL as my provider of choice.... sorry, its been a long day..! > > As and FYI, that's also what I was hoping to ellicit with my response to the whole buoy thing... > Charles > S/V Boomerang! > 1980 Cal 39, Mark II > St Michaels, MD > > > > > ________________________________ > From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 9:13:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish > > > Please excuse my ignorance but to me LOL means little old lady, Am I missing something? I was born in 1945, > Mu best , Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 5:58:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish > > > > > >From the New York Times...now THAT'S a superbly qualified source for REAL information! > > Who knew? LOL..... > Charles > S/V Boomerang! > 1980 Cal 39, Mark II > St Michaels, MD > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 1:30:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish > > > Here is the full link. > http://www.nytimes.. com/interactive/ 2009/12/07/ science/20091207 _CLIMATE_ TIMELINE. html?nl=us&emc=politicsemailem b2 > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> Dear fellow Cal boaters, >> This subject is rather live lee and you can see that by the number of posts. I don't think Global warming is political topic, I think it is a question of science. Last night I was looking at a New York Times interactive article showing the timeline on this subject. >> >> http://www.nytimes. com/interactive/ 2009/12/07/ scie/20091207_ CLIMATE_TIMELINE .html >> >> It seems that the discovery that CO2 was an important green house gas which effects Earth's temperature occurred in 1820, and was continually confirmed by additional discoveries at a rapidly increasing pace in the intervening years. I also read last summer that in many vast areas there is currently less sunlight reaching the earth, blocked by a huge increae in the volume of particulates from belching smoke stacks and other industrial activities, for example, from China and India. Also currently the Sun's solar activity has entered a period of reduced output, and normally that would be followed by a decline in the average Earth temperatures. Anyway, if you have been following the literature these days not a week goes by without reading in the popular press about a new scientific observation relating to the heating up of our dear planet and the environmental changes that are occurring. Just yesterday I heard about a new observation with respect to polar >> > bears: cannibalism: males snatching polar bear cubs from their mothers and devouring them, something here to fore not seen. So, just a warning, the next guy dress in whites who boards your Cal while yo are under weigh may be looking for more than your ship's papers and your safety equipment! > >> My my, Mr. Coastguards- man, what BIG TEETH YOU HAVE! >> Jerry (Alias:Goldielocks) >> PS: see the tiny boxes, check them off, and click delete, it this subject causes you anxiety, the rest of us are having fun. Why is it making some people so angry? >> >> >> --- On Wed, 12/9/09, john zajac <maddcavah@yahoo. com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> From: john zajac <maddcavah@yahoo. com> >>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:01 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> Boy, there sure does take some effort to clear the "non Cal Boat threads" from my inbox....... .... Take it elsewhere, I joined for Cal or sailing topics. how bout you ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ________________________________ > From: Wayne Gillikin <waynegillikin@ yahoo.com> > >>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 11:38:07 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >>> >>> >>> The madness that really needs to stop is this thread! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ________________________________ > From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> > >>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 11:05:20 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >>> >>> >>> Charles, >>> >>> When I said scientist who actually study the stuff, I was referring to scientist who actually study the stuff. I have a MS degree in EE (Toby for Heisman!) but I was not talking about people like us. There are many scientist who don't believe in global warming and many of the more vocal ones also hold the other positions I outlined. Now, you may agree that smoking causes cancer and that Hitler killed a lot of jews, or that all the moons around Mars are natuaral, but those are not positions held by the more vocal skeptics. >>> >>> If you choose to ignore the science, you are in the company of those fine scientists but that doesn't make you a bad person and doesn't mean you hold other crazy positions. By fine scientist I mean fine in their fields, which don't hapen to be climate science. >>> >>> As far as getting the memo, do you realize the earth is warming, the ice caps are melting, and there are more forest fires as a result? You don't need predictions, this stuff is happening. The fire fighters know there is global warming and they are not even scientists. >>> >>> Now, back to boats. No more on this for me. >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> As much as I hate this thread, Allen and others, did you not get the memo? I AM a scientist, and an engineer, along with being a successful technologist. . ... the latest memo unequivocally anulled the myth....there will be no sinking islands to sail over, they do that naturally; there will be no raining polar bears that would crash into your boat and you will be able to see them while sailing the northern routes because there numbers are actually UP; and BECAUSE of CO2 the palm trees will continue to breathe it in and produce O2 for YOU to breathe... >>>> >>>> This madness needs to stop...I used to be an enviornmentalist (limited), and still advocate things like keeping your trash and cigarette butts on board, but the rest of this madness has got to stop. For God's Sake, do some research, and NOTon a blog site.... >>>> >>>> >>>> Charles >>>> S/V Boomerang! >>>> 1980 Cal 39, Mark II >>>> St Michaels, MD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ________________________________ > > >>>> From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >>>> >>>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 12:38:29 AM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >>>> >>>> >>>> I thought this thread would die but it just doesn't seem to want to.. I really don't want to chime in as I just know someone will jump on me rightfully and tell me to shut the fu*k up. But let me see if I have this right. >>>> >>>> >>>> On the one hand we are talking about the probable extension of the human race, something most all knowledgeable scientists, the ones who actually study this stuff, think is a real possibility if we don't change our ways. >>>> >>>> >>>> Of course not everyone believes this so if you want to be on the side populated by people who don't believe in the holocaust, don't think cigarettes cause cancer, or think that one of Mars' moons is a satellites made by Martians then by all means go for it. >>>> >>>> >>>> On the other hand you have the possibility that someone might possibly want to tax boats, something that as far as I know nobody has raised. >>>> >>>> >>>> Tough choice. >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, if they ban fiberglass, you will all be sailing boats like mine. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Allen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jerry, I need to get you on a different list, one that will truly show you how to troll and get people really riled up. My Gods man, you were a naval aviator... more poking the toad, less happiness. A small bomb that will grow to epic proportions. ... Perhaps advocate a "boat tax" or the banning of all resin and epoxy products... A new presidential ticket, say Obama and Jerry Brown... :-Þ I have found that mixing Ebonics w/ German or w/ something like Southern English will help. >>>>> Marsh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gerald Sobel wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Messages in this topic (70) > ________________________________________________________________________ > 1.2. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish > Posted by: "mike farrell" ve… [at] yahoo.com vectormenow > Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:25 pm ((PST)) > > OK! Laughter is good! > My Best, Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114, RAMBLER > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 6:20:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish > > > > > Mike, actually, that's the relatively new term for "laughing out loud..."...learned that years ago when I actually had AOL as my provider of choice.... sorry, its been a long day..! > > As and FYI, that's also what I was hoping to ellicit with my response to the whole buoy thing... > Charles > S/V Boomerang! > 1980 Cal 39, Mark II > St Michaels, MD > > > > > ________________________________ > From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 9:13:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish > > > Please excuse my ignorance but to me LOL means little old lady, Am I missing something? I was born in 1945, > Mu best , Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 5:58:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish > > > > > >From the New York Times...now THAT'S a superbly qualified source for REAL information! > > Who knew? LOL..... > Charles > S/V Boomerang! > 1980 Cal 39, Mark II > St Michaels, MD > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 1:30:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish > > > Here is the full link. > http://www.nytimes. com/interactive/ 2009/12/07/ science/20091207 _CLIMATE_ TIMELINE. html?nl=us&emc=politicsemailem b2 > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> Dear fellow Cal boaters, >> This subject is rather live lee and you can see that by the number of posts. I don't think Global warming is political topic, I think it is a question of science. Last night I was looking at a New York Times interactive article showing the timeline on this subject. >> >> http://www.nytimes. com/interactive/ 2009/12/07/ scie/20091207_ CLIMATE_TIMELINE .html >> >> It seems that the discovery that CO2 was an important green house gas which effects Earth's temperature occurred in 1820, and was continually confirmed by additional discoveries at a rapidly increasing pace in the intervening years. I also read last summer that in many vast areas there is currently less sunlight reaching the earth, blocked by a huge increae in the volume of particulates from belching smoke stacks and other industrial activities, for example, from China and India. Also currently the Sun's solar activity has entered a period of reduced output, and normally that would be followed by a decline in the average Earth temperatures. Anyway, if you have been following the literature these days not a week goes by without reading in the popular press about a new scientific observation relating to the heating up of our dear planet and the environmental changes that are occurring. Just yesterday I heard about a new observation with respect to polar >> > bears: cannibalism: males snatching polar bear cubs from their mothers and devouring them, something here to fore not seen. So, just a warning, the next guy dress in whites who boards your Cal while yo are under weigh may be looking for more than your ship's papers and your safety equipment! > >> My my, Mr. Coastguards- man, what BIG TEETH YOU HAVE! >> Jerry (Alias:Goldielocks) >> PS: see the tiny boxes, check them off, and click delete, it this subject causes you anxiety, the rest of us are having fun. Why is it making some people so angry? >> >> >> --- On Wed, 12/9/09, john zajac <maddcavah@yahoo. com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> From: john zajac <maddcavah@yahoo. com> >>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:01 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> Boy, there sure does take some effort to clear the "non Cal Boat threads" from my inbox....... .... Take it elsewhere, I joined for Cal or sailing topics. how bout you ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ________________________________ > From: Wayne Gillikin <waynegillikin@ yahoo.com> > >>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 11:38:07 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >>> >>> >>> The madness that really needs to stop is this thread! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ________________________________ > From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> > >>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 11:05:20 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >>> >>> >>> Charles, >>> >>> When I said scientist who actually study the stuff, I was referring to scientist who actually study the stuff. I have a MS degree in EE (Toby for Heisman!) but I was not talking about people like us. There are many scientist who don't believe in global warming and many of the more vocal ones also hold the other positions I outlined. Now, you may agree that smoking causes cancer and that Hitler killed a lot of jews, or that all the moons around Mars are natuaral, but those are not positions held by the more vocal skeptics. >>> >>> If you choose to ignore the science, you are in the company of those fine scientists but that doesn't make you a bad person and doesn't mean you hold other crazy positions. By fine scientist I mean fine in their fields, which don't hapen to be climate science. >>> >>> As far as getting the memo, do you realize the earth is warming, the ice caps are melting, and there are more forest fires as a result? You don't need predictions, this stuff is happening. The fire fighters know there is global warming and they are not even scientists. >>> >>> Now, back to boats. No more on this for me. >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> As much as I hate this thread, Allen and others, did you not get the memo? I AM a scientist, and an engineer, along with being a successful technologist.. . ... the latest memo unequivocally anulled the myth....there will be no sinking islands to sail over, they do that naturally; there will be no raining polar bears that would crash into your boat and you will be able to see them while sailing the northern routes because there numbers are actually UP; and BECAUSE of CO2 the palm trees will continue to breathe it in and produce O2 for YOU to breathe... >>>> >>>> This madness needs to stop...I used to be an enviornmentalist (limited), and still advocate things like keeping your trash and cigarette butts on board, but the rest of this madness has got to stop. For God's Sake, do some research, and NOTon a blog site.... >>>> >>>> >>>> Charles >>>> S/V Boomerang! >>>> 1980 Cal 39, Mark II >>>> St Michaels, MD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ________________________________ > > >>>> From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >>>> >>>> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 12:38:29 AM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >>>> >>>> >>>> I thought this thread would die but it just doesn't seem to want to.. I really don't want to chime in as I just know someone will jump on me rightfully and tell me to shut the fu*k up. But let me see if I have this right. >>>> >>>> >>>> On the one hand we are talking about the probable extension of the human race, something most all knowledgeable scientists, the ones who actually study this stuff, think is a real possibility if we don't change our ways. >>>> >>>> >>>> Of course not everyone believes this so if you want to be on the side populated by people who don't believe in the holocaust, don't think cigarettes cause cancer, or think that one of Mars' moons is a satellites made by Martians then by all means go for it. >>>> >>>> >>>> On the other hand you have the possibility that someone might possibly want to tax boats, something that as far as I know nobody has raised. >>>> >>>> >>>> Tough choice. >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, if they ban fiberglass, you will all be sailing boats like mine. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Allen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Marsh Wise <marsh@reenactor. net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jerry, I need to get you on a different list, one that will truly show you how to troll and get people really riled up. My Gods man, you were a naval aviator... more poking the toad, less happiness. A small bomb that will grow to epic proportions. .... Perhaps advocate a "boat tax" or the banning of all resin and epoxy products... A new presidential ticket, say Obama and Jerry Brown... :-Þ I have found that mixing Ebonics w/ German or w/ something like Southern English will help. >>>>> Marsh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gerald Sobel wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Messages in this topic (70) > ________________________________________________________________________ > 1.3. Re: Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, was: political rubbish > Posted by: "Marsh Wise" ma… [at] reenactor.net sturmkatze > Date: Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:53 pm ((PST)) > > online and text message shorthand for "laugh out loud" and you might see > RAOFLMAO which means "rolling around on floor laughing my ass off." See > the great things you learn from people on this list! > Best, Marsh > > mike farrell wrote: > >> Please excuse my ignorance but to me LOL means little old lady, >> Am I missing something? I was born in 1945, >> Mu best , Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Wed, December 9, 2009 5:58:07 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, >> was: political rubbish >> >> >> >> From the New York Times...now THAT'S a superbly qualified source for >> REAL information! >> >> Who knew? LOL..... >> >> Charles >> S/V Boomerang! >> 1980 Cal 39, Mark II >> St Michaels, MD >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Wed, December 9, 2009 1:30:02 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Global Warming effects on sailing a Cal, >> was: political rubbish >> >> >> >> Here is the full link. >> >> http://www.nytimes. com/interactive/ 2009/12/07/ science/20091207 >> _CLIMATE_ TIMELINE. html?nl=us&emc=politicsemailem b2 >> <http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/12/07/science/20091207_CLIMATE_TIMELINE.html?nl=us&emc=politicsemailemb2> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com >> <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Dear fellow Cal boaters, >> This subject is rather live lee and you can see that by the number >> of posts. I don't think Global warming is political topic, I think >> it is a question of science. Last night I was looking at a New >> York Times interactive article showing the timeline on this subject. >> >> http://www.nytimes. com/interactive/ 2009/12/07/ scie/20091207_ >> CLIMATE_TIMELINE .html >> <http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/12/07/scie/20091207_CLIMATE_TIMELINE.html> >> >> >> It seems that the discovery that CO2 was an important green house >> gas which effects Earth's temperature occurred in 1820, and was >> continually confirmed by additional discoveries at a rapidly >> increasing pace in the intervening years. I also read last summer >> that in many vast areas there is currently less sunlight reaching >> the earth, blocked by a huge increae in the volume of >> particulates from belching smoke stacks and other industrial >> activities, for example, from China and India. Also currently the >> Sun's solar activity has entered a period of reduced output, and >> normally that would be followed by a decline in the average Earth >> temperatures. Anyway, if you have been following the literature >> these days not a week goes by without reading in the popular press >> about a new scientific observation relating to the heating up of >> our dear planet and the environmental changes that are occurring. >> Just yesterday I heard about a new observation with respect to >> polar bears: cannibalism: males snatching polar bear cubs from >> their mothers and devouring them, something here to fore not seen. >> So, just a warning, the next guy dress in whites who boards your >> Cal while yo are under weigh may be looking for more than your >> ship's papers and your safety equipment! >> >> My my, Mr. Coastguards- man, what BIG TEETH YOU HAVE! >> Jerry (Alias:Goldielocks) >> PS: see the tiny boxes, check them off, and click delete, it this >> subject causes you anxiety, the rest of us are having fun. Why is >> it making some people so angry? >> >> >> --- On *Wed, 12/9/09, john zajac /<maddcavah@yahoo. com >> <mailto:ma… [at] yahoo.com>>/* wrote: >> >> >> From: john zajac <maddcavah@yahoo. com >> <mailto:ma… [at] yahoo.com>> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:01 AM >> >> >> Boy, there sure does take some effort to clear the "non Cal >> Boat threads" from my inbox....... .... Take it elsewhere, I >> joined for Cal or sailing topics. how bout you ? >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Wayne Gillikin <waynegillikin@ yahoo.com >> <http://yahoo.com/>> >> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com/> >> *Sent:* Wed, December 9, 2009 11:38:07 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >> >> >> The madness that really needs to stop is this thread! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com/> >> *Sent:* Wed, December 9, 2009 11:05:20 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >> >> >> >> Charles, >> >> When I said scientist who actually study the stuff, I was >> referring to scientist who actually study the stuff. I have a >> MS degree in EE (Toby for Heisman!) but I was not talking >> about people like us. There are many scientist who don't >> believe in global warming and many of the more vocal ones also >> hold the other positions I outlined. Now, you may agree that >> smoking causes cancer and that Hitler killed a lot of jews, or >> that all the moons around Mars are natuaral, but those are not >> positions held by the more vocal skeptics. >> >> If you choose to ignore the science, you are in the company of >> those fine scientists but that doesn't make you a bad person >> and doesn't mean you hold other crazy positions. By fine >> scientist I mean fine in their fields, which don't hapen to be >> climate science. >> >> As far as getting the memo, do you realize the earth is >> warming, the ice caps are melting, and there are more forest >> fires as a result? You don't need predictions, this stuff is >> happening. The fire fighters know there is global warming and >> they are not even scientists. >> >> Now, back to boats. No more on this for me. >> >> Allen >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Charles Strasburger >> <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com >> <http://mc/compose?to=bo… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: >> >> >> As much as I hate this thread, Allen and others, did you >> not get the memo? I AM a scientist, and an engineer, >> along with being a successful technologist.. ... the >> latest memo unequivocally anulled the myth....there will >> be no sinking islands to sail over, they do that >> naturally; there will be no raining polar bears that would >> crash into your boat and you will be able to see them >> while sailing the northern routes because there numbers >> are actually UP; and BECAUSE of CO2 the palm trees will >> continue to breathe it in and produce O2 for YOU to >> breathe... >> >> This madness needs to stop...I used to be an >> enviornmentalist (limited), and still advocate things like >> keeping your trash and cigarette butts on board, but the >> rest of this madness has got to stop. For God's Sake, do >> some research, and NOTon a blog site.... >> >> >> Charles >> S/V Boomerang! >> 1980 Cal 39, Mark II >> St Michaels, MD >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> >> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> <http://mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Wed, December 9, 2009 12:38:29 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] political in nature. "The fix" >> >> >> I thought this thread would die but it just doesn't seem >> to want to.. I really don't want to chime in as I just >> know someone will jump on me rightfully and tell me to >> shut the fu*k up. But let me see if I have this right. >> >> On the one hand we are talking about the >> probable extension of the human race, something most >> all knowledgeable scientists, the ones who actually study >> this stuff, think is a real possibility if we don't change >> our ways. >> >> Of course not everyone believes this so if you want to be >> on the side populated by people who don't believe in the >> holocaust, don't think cigarettes cause cancer, or think >> that one of Mars' moons is a satellites made by Martians >> then by all means go for it. >> >> On the other hand you have the possibility that someone >> might possibly want to tax boats, something that as far as >> I know nobody has raised. >> >> Tough choice. >> >> Now, if they ban fiberglass, you will all be sailing boats >> like mine. >> >> >> Allen >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Marsh Wise >> <marsh@reenactor. net >> <http://mc/compose?to=ma… [at] reenactor..net>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Jerry, I need to get you on a different list, one that >> will truly show you how to troll and get people really >> riled up. My Gods man, you were a naval aviator... >> more poking the toad, less happiness. A small bomb >> that will grow to epic proportions. ... Perhaps >> advocate a "boat tax" or the banning of all resin and >> epoxy products... A new presidential ticket, say Obama >> and Jerry Brown... :-Þ I have found that mixing >> Ebonics w/ German or w/ something like Southern >> English will help. >> Marsh >> >> >> Gerald Sobel wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> -Progress Village Community Website: <http://www.progress-village.com> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now! -=<www.sturmkatze.com>=-

I have made arrangements to donate my Cal-25 to "Heart of Sailing". If you are not familiar with them, check them out at www.heartofsailing.org. They would like to move it from Melbourne, FL to Jacksonville and are planning to do that by water. If there is a trailer nearby that I could borrow it would make it much simpler for them, I think. I think my truck or my son's can tow it, just don't have a trailer. I'm going to investigate GVWRs. If anyone has a trailer nearby they would be willing to loan for a week or two, please let me know. Thanks, Al

Actually, Marsh, digests are really a good way to keep up with busy lists - that way members don't missing any one of 10 - 20 threads from a day that they might find important or of interest. The only time that it doesn't work is when a few members don't really give a rat's ass about any of the others.... Thanks again for being a considerate boater and list member. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > > Well John, that's why most people don't get on a digest on a busy list.

no, really they're not. I am on and own a LOT of them. W/ a digest it's too hard to read stuff and find it. I want my mail to come in in order, not in one big lump that I have to cut and paste to reply to. Digests suck. Maybe to new people they don't but to most people, they suck. John Caldwell wrote: > Actually, Marsh, digests are really a good way to keep up with busy lists - that way members don't missing any one of 10 - 20 threads from a day that they might find important or of interest. > > The only time that it doesn't work is when a few members don't really give a rat's ass about any of the others.... > > Thanks again for being a considerate boater and list member. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > >> Well John, that's why most people don't get on a digest on a busy list. >> > >

That...and how there are those of us that don't care about anyone else and stuff.... LOL....that has to be it....right? Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, December 10, 2009 8:24:11 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Considerate Boaters - no, really they're not. I am on and own a LOT of them. W/ a digest it's too hard to read stuff and find it. I want my mail to come in in order, not in one big lump that I have to cut and paste to reply to. Digests suck. Maybe to new people they don't but to most people, they suck. John Caldwell wrote: Actually, Marsh, digests are really a good way to keep up with busy lists - that way members don't missing any one of 10 - 20 threads from a day that they might find important or of interest. > >The only time that it doesn't work is when a few members don't really give a rat's ass about any of the others.... > >Thanks again for being a considerate boater and list member. > >--- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@....> wrote: > >Well John, that's why most people don't get on a digest on a busy list. >>

I have used digests and individual email delivery. By far individual email delivery into a gmail account with auto saving of all messages from the group into a folder so that the messages do not show up in your inbox is the way to go. All threads are grouped so that a thread is only one line in the folder no matter how many messages there are. When a new message comes in on a thread, all the old ones are there, if you want to refer to them but they are all folder together so that they take no room on your desktop. Set up gmail and set up a filter to move the messages into a folder. Simple, give it a try. You don't even have to use gmail for anything else and it is free. Allen On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net> wrote: > > > no, really they're not. I am on and own a LOT of them. W/ a digest it's too > hard to read stuff and find it. I want my mail to come in in order, not in > one big lump that I have to cut and paste to reply to. Digests suck. Maybe > to new people they don't but to most people, they suck. > > John Caldwell wrote: > > Actually, Marsh, digests are really a good way to keep up with busy lists - that way members don't missing any one of 10 - 20 threads from a day that they might find important or of interest. > > The only time that it doesn't work is when a few members don't really give a rat's ass about any of the others.... > > Thanks again for being a considerate boater and list member. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> <marsh@...> wrote: > > > Well John, that's why most people don't get on a digest on a busy list. > > > > >

You're full of shit for starters. You really don't see the irony in your comment that digest are too hard to read? What, you've been too quick to reply that you haven't grasped that was my point? And that what makes digests hard to read are inconsiderate bastards that want nothing more than to be the center of attention - screw anybody else? How obtuse are you? I've seen your sites - how can anyone on this list miss them? Your footer takes up 20 lines not including line breaks, and we've had that and your curly q's taking up space since you decided that you wanted to be the most prolific poster in this group. How much traffic or revenue do those sites drive from your hairy-handed buddies in their mother's basements? I don't care if you ever get a job or a life, but you should get a little respect for others and quit being a troll - you're a savvy Web-guy, so you know I'm not talking about living under a bridge; you're mom's basement's nicer anyway.... --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > > no, really they're not. I am on and own a LOT of them. W/ a digest it's > too hard to read stuff and find it. I want my mail to come in in order, > not in one big lump that I have to cut and paste to reply to. Digests > suck. Maybe to new people they don't but to most people, they suck. > > John Caldwell wrote: > > Actually, Marsh, digests are really a good way to keep up with busy lists - that way members don't missing any one of 10 - 20 threads from a day that they might find important or of interest. > > > > The only time that it doesn't work is when a few members don't really give a rat's ass about any of the others.... > > > > Thanks again for being a considerate boater and list member. > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@> wrote: > > > >> Well John, that's why most people don't get on a digest on a busy list. > >> > > > > >

I appreciate the suggestion, and I understand how email works since it's kind of what I do for a livng. At the end of the day, why should anyone else have to create a separate email address to accomodate the rude behavior of an oaf? I noticed that quite a few people - without making a peep about it - started trimming the excess from their messages. Thanks to each of you. All of these people can do it with consideration and without complaint, but we've got to have one throwing a tantrum. Don't encourage his tantrum or reward him for it. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@...> wrote: > > I have used digests and individual email delivery. By far individual email > delivery into a gmail account with auto saving of all messages from the

for that matter, I use Thunderbird for my e-mail. I have filters for everything! Tons of folders. They "light up" when there's a new message... some lists, like this one, I have sub folders by year. Works great!! Marsh Allen Edwards wrote: > > > I have used digests and individual email delivery. By far individual > email delivery into a gmail account with auto saving of all messages > from the group into a folder so that the messages do not show up in > your inbox is the way to go. All threads are grouped so that a thread > is only one line in the folder no matter how many messages there are. > When a new message comes in on a thread, all the old ones are there, > if you want to refer to them but they are all folder together so that > they take no room on your desktop. Set up gmail and set up a filter > to move the messages into a folder. Simple, give it a try. You don't > even have to use gmail for anything else and it is free. > > Allen > > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Marsh Wise <ma… [at] reenactor.net > <mailto:ma… [at] reenactor.net>> wrote: > > > > no, really they're not. I am on and own a LOT of them. W/ a digest > it's too hard to read stuff and find it. I want my mail to come in > in order, not in one big lump that I have to cut and paste to > reply to. Digests suck. Maybe to new people they don't but to most > people, they suck. > > > John Caldwell wrote: >> Actually, Marsh, digests are really a good way to keep up with busy lists - that way members don't missing any one of 10 - 20 threads from a day that they might find important or of interest. >> >> The only time that it doesn't work is when a few members don't really give a rat's ass about any of the others.... >> >> Thanks again for being a considerate boater and list member. >> >> --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> <mailto:marsh@...> wrote: >> >>> Well John, that's why most people don't get on a digest on a busy list. >>> >> > > > > > -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> -Progress Village Community Website: <http://www.progress-village.com> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now! -=<www.sturmkatze.com>=-

Why thank you. I use the sig for other lists too. You use digest, great, I don't. I am NOT going to change to accommodate you--no one should. You use digests because, well I don't know, you're an unsociable type or you don't wish to get more than one e-mail a day. I guess. This isn't 1996 where in you get charged by the kb. Hey, guess what, they have cheap broadband now. As for my sites, I don't care if you go there or not. Those, by the way, are webSITES, not webLISTS like this. And DUMBASS, my main site drives about 27-35GB of pipe PER MONTH. They do quite well w/ multiple google #1 rankings. As to basements, no, I don't live in one. My Mom lives in Oregon. My friends don't either, but thanks for the ignorant insult. I'm quite happy w/ my job... I drive a mail truck, I manage some other drivers. What's it like working at McDonalds anyway? You want things all neat in your little control freak way. I bet you're one of those guys who sits and watches others work. And no, I don't have think I need to have respect for someone like you. You want everyone to do things YOUR way or the highway, basically an Internet bully. You sir, are a polyp on the gonads of the Internet. Marshall Wise John Caldwell wrote: > You're full of shit for starters. > > You really don't see the irony in your comment that digest are too hard to read? > > What, you've been too quick to reply that you haven't grasped that was my point? And that what makes digests hard to read are inconsiderate bastards that want nothing more than to be the center of attention - screw anybody else? > > How obtuse are you? > > I've seen your sites - how can anyone on this list miss them? Your footer takes up 20 lines not including line breaks, and we've had that and your curly q's taking up space since you decided that you wanted to be the most prolific poster in this group. > > How much traffic or revenue do those sites drive from your hairy-handed buddies in their mother's basements? > > I don't care if you ever get a job or a life, but you should get a little respect for others and quit being a troll - you're a savvy Web-guy, so you know I'm not talking about living under a bridge; you're mom's basement's nicer anyway.... > -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> -Progress Village Community Website: <http://www.progress-village.com> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now! -=<www.sturmkatze.com>=-

Fellow list members, I am sorry this is intruding into the list. For those who don't wish to see certain people's e-mails, I suggest you do like I do... I set up a filter so when someone like this guy, John Caldwell, posts, i don't see it. You can send it directly to trash or, like in this case, directly, *UNREAD*, to the assholes and nutcases folder. Filters work real well and you can also weed out stuff by subject or by those who can't figure out how to have more than one e-mail account. I fyou need some help w/ them, let me know. :-) Best, Marsh P.S. Boating content: My boat is a Cal 25, I like it. I like Cals. I like most Cal people. I can't wait for Spring. I need to seal around the pop-top. John Caldwell wrote: > I appreciate the suggestion, and I understand how email works since it's kind of what I do for a livng. > > At the end of the day, why should anyone else have to create a separate email address to accomodate the rude behavior of an oaf? > > I noticed that quite a few people - without making a peep about it - started trimming the excess from their messages. > > Thanks to each of you. > > All of these people can do it with consideration and without complaint, but we've got to have one throwing a tantrum. > > Don't encourage his tantrum or reward him for it. > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@...> wrote: > >> I have used digests and individual email delivery. By far individual email >> delivery into a gmail account with auto saving of all messages from the >> > > -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> -Progress Village Community Website: <http://www.progress-village.com> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now! -=<www.sturmkatze.com>=-

It all boils down to this; you're selfish and rude, and your way of doing things is best for everyone, and if we don't like it we can just eat shit because you're so much better/cooler/smarter than everybody else. You've been kind enough to make my point over and over, and yet are too dim to see that you're doing so or the irony in any of it.... I'm not the one bullying here. I politely asked for a favor from fellow boaters and listees, and quite a few obliged because they're respectful and decent people. One person threw a tantrum; and still is.... --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Marsh Wise <marsh@...> wrote: > > blah blah blah - blah blah blah blah blah.... > > (I am the) Best (and you should do it my way), Marsh