The Great Pacific Garbage Patch

What's the consensus on this? I am more concerned w/ this mess called the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. From accounts, it's huge. Ozone and Al Gore don't concern me, but this does. I don't know WHY they could not simply convert a big cargo ship or old LST or something to scoop this crap up, bale it and bring to shore to incinerate. <http://discovermagazine.com/2008/jul/10-the-worlds-largest-dump> Also, I was reading how bats are dying off from some disease--this is another warning. I don't know of what exactly, but I worry there too. <http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/science-updates/bats-dying-from-a-mysterious-disease-in-northeast-region> Thoughts? I would think the first would affect sailing. Anyway, more of a concern to me than global warming... Marsh the Evyil -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·'*Marsh ----------------------------- Marsh Wise Webmaster: -reenactor.Net: <http://www.reenactor.net/> Read my Blog (bore yourself): <http://www.reenactor.net/rnet_admin/marsh/marshblog.html> -1./Infanterie-Regiment 23 <http://www.ir23.org> -Foresthill.US: <http://www.foresthill.us/> -The Dogs Place <http://www.the-dogs-place.com/> -Progress Village Community Website: <http://www.progress-village.com> Assistant Webmaster: -VAQ-33 Squadron site: <http://www.reenactor.net/vaq-33/> Netscape Aim/AOL screen name: Sturmkatze Yahoo Messenger screen name: sturmkatze Alteris renumera duplum de quoquo tibi numeraverunt "A fondness for power is implanted in most men, and it is natural to abuse it when acquired." -- Alexander Hamilton Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. ~Mark Twain *Last: Hey Dammit! Have you visited the reenactor.Net FORvMS? If not, WHY NOT? Gett your butt over to: <http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php> right now! -=<www.sturmkatze.com>=-

> > What's the consensus on this? I am more concerned w/ this mess called the > Great Pacific Garbage Patch. From accounts, it's huge. Ozone and Al Gore > don't concern me, but this does. I don't know WHY they could not simply > convert a big cargo ship or old LST or something to scoop this crap up, bale > it and bring to shore to incinerate. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch > Anyway, more of a concern to me than global warming... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming As long as we are there, this is even more interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cal_Yachts Allen

Allen, I agree with you completely, There is so much floating stuff out there! We cross the Pacific and bring our plastic garbage to shore only to see it barged offshore from Oahu and dumped. Not the solution. My Best, Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, December 10, 2009 10:27:12 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The Great Pacific Garbage Patch What's the consensus on this? I am more concerned w/ this mess called the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. From accounts, it's huge. Ozone and Al Gore don't concern me, but this does. I don't know WHY they could not simply convert a big cargo ship or old LST or something to scoop this crap up, bale it and bring to shore to incinerate. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch Anyway, more of a concern to me than global warming... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming As long as we are there, this is even more interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cal_Yachts Allen

Allen, I couldn't agree with you more....these are the things that really bother me as well....that and some freakshow tossing a lit cigarette butt out the car window....ya'll out in CA should be more worried about this, and arson, than blaming warming trends starting the fires out there...then of course there are the natural fires caused by the enviroment/earth heself to clean herself up. I spend a bit of time out there on business each year, specifically San Diego, and the smoke from the fires, really do a number on the views....It is so different than when I lived there in the 70's...... Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 1:27:12 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The Great Pacific Garbage Patch What's the consensus on this? I am more concerned w/ this mess called the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. From accounts, it's huge. Ozone and Al Gore don't concern me, but this does. I don't know WHY they could not simply convert a big cargo ship or old LST or something to scoop this crap up, bale it and bring to shore to incinerate. > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Great_Pacific_ Garbage_Patch Anyway, more of a concern to me than global warming... > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Global_warming As long as we are there, this is even more interesting http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cal_Yachts Allen

> > Allen, I couldn't agree with you more..... > Not my thread, I just sent some links. I think you are agreeing with Marsh. Allen

I will never forget a fishing trip into the Gulf of Mexico off shore of New Orleans. The 80 foot fishing boat had receptacles marked recycling glass, recycling aluminum, and trash. As we returned from fishing for the day 99% of the guests were down below seasick. My friend and I were not and ventured above decks to get some fresh air away from the stench down below. We came above decks just as the crew were dumping ALL of the trash barrels over the gunwales! Turns out the "politically correct" trash receptacles meant nothing at all -- everything thrown away on that boat -- went into the Gulf of Mexico. Corruption exists everywhere and I admit I did nothing about this when I went ashore. I did not want to embarrass my hosts. Had I paid for that trip myself, I would have stopped them in their tracks and demanded a change in policy! Now, I wish I had done something. So, I have joined the Sierra Club Garbage Patch group and hope to contribute to the cleanup of this mess. I also never go shopping for groceries or anything else without taking my own bags. They are made of the same material as my floating line made fast to my overboard life buoy and wash easily if they get soiled. I never, ever accept a plastic shopping bag. My way of making a statement without requiring someone else to do the same. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 4:07:10 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The Great Pacific Garbage Patch Allen, I agree with you completely, There is so much floating stuff out there! We cross the Pacific and bring our plastic garbage to shore only to see it barged offshore from Oahu and dumped. Not the solution. My Best, Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER

Donald, It's interesting that right after it came out about the hazard of Styrofoam, the VA Hospital here (Wadsworth) switch from earthenware dishes and stainless steel flatware to plastic forks and foam plates. Makes you wonder...what are they thinking? (NOT!) And right after Los Angles got serious about building a rapid rail transit system, it started selling off all the existing red car tracks to housing developers. Aaarrgghhh! Humanity is a lost cause. How will we ever clean up these whirlpools or dreck, like the Pacific dyre (sp??) that's now twice the size of Taaayksuuiiis? Ah ha, a herd of genetically engineered sea-longhorns. Gulp. Gag. The best time to see the sea of plastic is in the early winter when we have flat calms off shore and all the crap floats to the surface. It makes a groan(yesh) man wanna cry. Jerry PS:I think we must go to the lab and develop microbes that eat styrofoam..but not polyester! --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The Great Pacific Garbage Patch (Mike Farrell) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 8:49 AM I will never forget a fishing trip into the Gulf of Mexico off shore of New Orleans. The 80 foot fishing boat had receptacles marked recycling glass, recycling aluminum, and trash. As we returned from fishing for the day 99% of the guests were down below seasick. My friend and I were not and ventured above decks to get some fresh air away from the stench down below. We came above decks just as the crew were dumping ALL of the trash barrels over the gunwales! Turns out the "politically correct" trash receptacles meant nothing at all -- everything thrown away on that boat -- went into the Gulf of Mexico. Corruption exists everywhere and I admit I did nothing about this when I went ashore. I did not want to embarrass my hosts. Had I paid for that trip myself, I would have stopped them in their tracks and demanded a change in policy! Now, I wish I had done something. So, I have joined the Sierra Club Garbage Patch group and hope to contribute to the cleanup of this mess. I also never go shopping for groceries or anything else without taking my own bags. They are made of the same material as my floating line made fast to my overboard life buoy and wash easily if they get soiled. I never, ever accept a plastic shopping bag. My way of making a statement without requiring someone else to do the same. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: mike farrell <vectormenow@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 4:07:10 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The Great Pacific Garbage Patch Allen, I agree with you completely, There is so much floating stuff out there! We cross the Pacific and bring our plastic garbage to shore only to see it barged offshore from Oahu and dumped. Not the solution. My Best, Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER

Just goes to show you the value of an MBA and who they are employed by. Had the MBA been employed by the EPA than the total cost of the transformation of flatware and plates would have been calculated and the move never made. When the only cost is to the individual (corporation or not) than you can ignore the societal and environmental costs and switch to cheap styrofoam and assume that someone else will bear the cost of the waste. (By the way, my cousin resigned from Arthur Reed because of issues like these!) I try, and I hope that most environmentalists try, to look at the total cost of what I do and not just the bottom line impact on myself. I understand that there are multitudes of people who are neither trained nor smart enough to think that way. And that is why we have a constitution that precludes majority rule when someone else's rights are trampled by a vote. We live in a Republic, not a democracy, and by design of the founding fathers who faced a majority who wanted to stay with the status quo and be ruled by the King. Thank God that the right to freedom of choice is the number one value in our constitution. THAT is what truly makes this country Great. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 9:13:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The Great Pacific Garbage Patch (Donald) Donald, It's interesting that right after it came out about the hazard of Styrofoam, the VA Hospital here (Wadsworth) switch from earthenware dishes and stainless steel flatware to plastic forks and foam plates. Makes you wonder...what are they thinking? (NOT!) And right after Los Angles got serious about building a rapid rail transit system, it started selling off all the existing red car tracks to housing developers. Aaarrgghhh! Humanity is a lost cause. How will we ever clean up these whirlpools or dreck, like the Pacific dyre (sp??) that's now twice the size of Taaayksuuiiis? Ah ha, a herd of genetically engineered sea-longhorns. Gulp. Gag. The best time to see the sea of plastic is in the early winter when we have flat calms off shore and all the crap floats to the surface. It makes a groan(yesh) man wanna cry. Jerry PS:I think we must go to the lab and develop microbes that eat styrofoam..but not polyester! --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Donald Dutton <dnlddttn@sbcglobal. net> wrote: >From: Donald Dutton <dnlddttn@sbcglobal. net> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The Great Pacific Garbage Patch (Mike Farrell) >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 8:49 AM > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >I will never forget a fishing trip into the Gulf of Mexico off shore of New Orleans. The 80 foot fishing boat had receptacles marked recycling glass, recycling aluminum, and trash. As we returned from fishing for the day 99% of the guests were down below seasick. My friend and I were not and ventured above decks to get some fresh air away from the stench down below. We came above decks just as the crew were dumping ALL of the trash barrels over the gunwales! Turns out the "politically correct" trash receptacles meant nothing at all -- everything thrown away on that boat -- went into the Gulf of Mexico. Corruption exists everywhere and I admit I did nothing about this when I went ashore. I did not want to embarrass my hosts. Had I paid for that > trip myself, I would have stopped them in their tracks and demanded a change in policy! > >Now, I wish I had done something. So, I have joined the Sierra Club Garbage Patch group and hope to contribute to the cleanup of this mess. I also never go shopping for groceries or anything else without taking my own bags. They are made of the same material as my floating line made fast to my overboard life buoy and wash easily if they get soiled. I never, ever accept a plastic shopping bag. My way of making a statement without requiring someone else to do the same. > > Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > >"Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. > Discover." ........Mark Twain > > > > > From: mike farrell <vectormenow@ yahoo.com> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 4:07:10 AM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The Great Pacific Garbage Patch > > > > > >> > >Allen, > I agree with you completely, There is so much floating stuff out there! We cross the Pacific and bring our plastic garbage to shore only to see it barged offshore from Oahu and dumped. Not the solution. > My Best, Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER > > >

Donald, At Wadsworth VA, the area that was the dish washing facility is now a rented out retail space, where 'stuff' is sold by whom ever wants to rent it for a day. Were formerly quality healthy food was provided, we have five mini restaurants, like in a retail mall, with one of them selling the kind of food that was originally provided. So we now have a pizza shop, a fried chicken shop, a sandwich shop and a burger shop, and a mexican food shop. A lot more selection, tho. The Pizza is really good, and I often go in and get a slice of 'combo'...but not very healthy!! What gets me is the PX next door, which is often belting out boom box music loud as the cars that stop behind you at red lights and make your sheet metal vibrate, well, almost that loud. How they can do that inside a hospital and get away with it is beyond me! And that garbage patch the size of Alaska is called the Pacific Gyre, I think. I wish we would pay attention to that horrific problem as well as to gangs of thugs who destroy, terrorize, and deal drugs in the name of God. But no, zillions and zillions of pieces of soggy foam plastic isn't sexy enough. Jerry --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The Great Pacific Garbage Patch (Donald) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:58 AM Just goes to show you the value of an MBA and who they are employed by. Had the MBA been employed by the EPA than the total cost of the transformation of flatware and plates would have been calculated and the move never made. When the only cost is to the individual (corporation or not) than you can ignore the societal and environmental costs and switch to cheap styrofoam and assume that someone else will bear the cost of the waste. (By the way, my cousin resigned from Arthur Reed because of issues like these!) I try, and I hope that most environmentalists try, to look at the total cost of what I do and not just the bottom line impact on myself. I understand that there are multitudes of people who are neither trained nor smart enough to think that way. And that is why we have a constitution that precludes majority rule when someone else's rights are trampled by a vote. We live in a Republic, not a democracy, and by design of the founding fathers who faced a majority who wanted to stay with the status quo and be ruled by the King. Thank God that the right to freedom of choice is the number one value in our constitution. THAT is what truly makes this country Great. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 9:13:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The Great Pacific Garbage Patch (Donald) Donald, It's interesting that right after it came out about the hazard of Styrofoam, the VA Hospital here (Wadsworth) switch from earthenware dishes and stainless steel flatware to plastic forks and foam plates. Makes you wonder...what are they thinking? (NOT!) And right after Los Angles got serious about building a rapid rail transit system, it started selling off all the existing red car tracks to housing developers. Aaarrgghhh! Humanity is a lost cause. How will we ever clean up these whirlpools or dreck, like the Pacific dyre (sp??) that's now twice the size of Taaayksuuiiis? Ah ha, a herd of genetically engineered sea-longhorns. Gulp. Gag. The best time to see the sea of plastic is in the early winter when we have flat calms off shore and all the crap floats to the surface. It makes a groan(yesh) man wanna cry. Jerry PS:I think we must go to the lab and develop microbes that eat styrofoam..but not polyester! --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Donald Dutton <dnlddttn@sbcglobal. net> wrote: From: Donald Dutton <dnlddttn@sbcglobal. net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The Great Pacific Garbage Patch (Mike Farrell) To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 8:49 AM I will never forget a fishing trip into the Gulf of Mexico off shore of New Orleans. The 80 foot fishing boat had receptacles marked recycling glass, recycling aluminum, and trash. As we returned from fishing for the day 99% of the guests were down below seasick. My friend and I were not and ventured above decks to get some fresh air away from the stench down below. We came above decks just as the crew were dumping ALL of the trash barrels over the gunwales! Turns out the "politically correct" trash receptacles meant nothing at all -- everything thrown away on that boat -- went into the Gulf of Mexico. Corruption exists everywhere and I admit I did nothing about this when I went ashore. I did not want to embarrass my hosts. Had I paid for that trip myself, I would have stopped them in their tracks and demanded a change in policy! Now, I wish I had done something. So, I have joined the Sierra Club Garbage Patch group and hope to contribute to the cleanup of this mess. I also never go shopping for groceries or anything else without taking my own bags. They are made of the same material as my floating line made fast to my overboard life buoy and wash easily if they get soiled. I never, ever accept a plastic shopping bag. My way of making a statement without requiring someone else to do the same. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: mike farrell <vectormenow@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 4:07:10 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] The Great Pacific Garbage Patch Allen, I agree with you completely, There is so much floating stuff out there! We cross the Pacific and bring our plastic garbage to shore only to see it barged offshore from Oahu and dumped. Not the solution. My Best, Mike Farrell Cal 20 1114 RAMBLER