Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib tape to hank conversion, was: Used J105 sail, was: sail gamble, was:Sail Selection

Oh, I have hanked on sails and I am guessing any J105 sail is going to have a luff tape. How hard is it to convert? I have lots of hanks on older sails that I could probably use but am unsure about the rest. Allen On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > Wow, I had not considered a J105 but it has identical J and I to my boat > (13.5, 40.5). I see class dimensions of 41.5, 14.5 and 37 feet for the jib. > That would make it a 95% sail on my boat and more or less a perfect fit. I > must have something wrong if it fit on your boat with a 40.3 ft forestay. > Perhaps you can explain that. > > Where would I find one and do you have an idea how much I should expect to > pay? Might be just what I need. I see a couple of fancy ones in San Diego > on the class web site for $400 and $550 respectively but nothing up here in > SF. I don't think I want a sail built for SD. > > This is a great tip, thanks! > > Allen > (with trust in science) > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Michael Robinson < > mi… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Allen, >> I recently picked up a class jib from J 105 (Mylar/dacron). It works out >> to about 90-95% for my Cal 36 (I=42-J=14.5). My forestay with roller furling >> is 40' 4". The sail is heavy enough for SF Bay and has a great shape. The >> J-105 fleet recently allowed new sail cloth (carbon fiber?) so there should >> be more of these around. The boat handles great with the smaller jib. I >> purchased her with a 130%...too much in 20+ knts. I agree new mail is great. >> Our boats have large mains by today's standards... lots-o-power from main. >> >> >> *Mike Robinson* >> *Holiday* >> *Cal 36 # 4* >> *global warming skeptic* >> ** >> > >

I may have to remeasure my head stay. Yes they have luff tape (#6). I'm not sure about converting to hanks. Cost may be too high. I found mine at sailmaker: Hogan Sails in Alameda. Other Sail makers may be a good source. Also Blue Pelican Marine in Alameda (used stuff) and this guy: br… [at] aol.com had some good used sails. Cheers, Mike junk science skeptic To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:10:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib tape to hank conversion, was: Used J105 sail, was: sail gamble, was:Sail Selection Oh, I have hanked on sails and I am guessing any J105 sail is going to have a luff tape. How hard is it to convert? I have lots of hanks on older sails that I could probably use but am unsure about the rest. Allen Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/

I've seen a number of sails that are built with a luff tape (default design) bolt rope, and the hanks are simply added after the fact. Punch in some cringles and stick 'em on. Not that big a deal. This is fairly common in CAL 25s since we are only allowed to use hanked sails. (Old days it was a cost saving move. Nowadays, it is just tradition.) Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Robinson Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:27 PM To: Cal boats List Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Jib tape to hank conversion, was: Used J105 sail, was: sail gamble, was:Sail Selection I may have to remeasure my head stay. Yes they have luff tape (#6). I'm not sure about converting to hanks. Cost may be too high. I found mine at sailmaker: Hogan Sails in Alameda. Other Sail makers may be a good source. Also Blue Pelican Marine in Alameda (used stuff) and this guy: br… [at] aol.com<mailto:br… [at] aol.com> had some good used sails. Cheers, Mike junk science skeptic To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:10:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib tape to hank conversion, was: Used J105 sail, was: sail gamble, was:Sail Selection Oh, I have hanked on sails and I am guessing any J105 sail is going to have a luff tape. How hard is it to convert? I have lots of hanks on older sails that I could probably use but am unsure about the rest. Allen Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now.<http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/>

Two follow-up questions. 1) can you tell me what reasonable prices would be for a sail with some good live left? The guy I race against has a cruse lam sail (Dacron and mylar) and it is 12 years old and he uses it in high winds. It is a 155. Life like that would be great. 2) I take it that if the sail has a bolt rope in addition to the tape that I can just crimp on grommets and take some of the hanks I have and put them on. Do you recall if J105 sails have bolt ropes? Allen (don't trust scientists who think cigarettes don't cause cancer) On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Robinson < mi… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > > I may have to remeasure my head stay. Yes they have luff tape (#6). I'm not > sure about converting to hanks. Cost may be too high. I found mine at > sailmaker: Hogan Sails in Alameda. Other Sail makers may be a good source. > Also Blue Pelican Marine in Alameda (used stuff) and this guy: > br… [at] aol.com had some good used sails. > > Cheers, > > > > *Mike* > *junk science skeptic* > ** > > > > > ------------------------------ > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:10:46 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib tape to hank conversion, was: Used J105 sail, > was: sail gamble, was:Sail Selection > > > > > Oh, I have hanked on sails and I am guessing any J105 sail is going to have > a luff tape. How hard is it to convert? I have lots of hanks on older > sails that I could probably use but am unsure about the rest. > > Allen > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up > now. <http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/> > > >

Would you happen to know if something like this would work? http://www.ahh.biz/products/grommets/tool%20for%20grommets%20GKS003.htm Allen On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] < hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > > > I've seen a number of sails that are built with a luff tape (default > design) bolt rope, and the hanks are simply added after the fact. Punch in > some cringles and stick 'em on. Not that big a deal. This is fairly common > in CAL 25s since we are only allowed to use hanked sails. (Old days it was > a cost saving move. Nowadays, it is just tradition.) > > Cheers > Charlie >

Good Evening Allen, I converted a wire luff furling jib for my Cal 20 to hanks by using tools similar to the ones in the link. I used a sharp wood chisel to cut the hole, pressed in the grommet, and set the hank. Worked out well, improved pointing ability (furling attachment point was not on the bow). Chris B Would you happen to know if something like this would work? http://www.ahh. biz/products/ grommets/ tool%20for% 20grommets% 20GKS003. htm Allen _

Cancer cures smoking. I bought cigeretts for my 85 year old mother when she had adenocarcinoma of the upper left lung. God bless this mess! As ever, my best Mike Farrell Cal 20 From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 1:03:14 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib tape to hank conversion, was: Used J105 sail, was: sail gamble, was:Sail Selection Two follow-up questions. 1) can you tell me what reasonable prices would be for a sail with some good live left? The guy I race against has a cruse lam sail (Dacron and mylar) and it is 12 years old and he uses it in high winds. It is a 155. Life like that would be great. 2) I take it that if the sail has a bolt rope in addition to the tape that I can just crimp on grommets and take some of the hanks I have and put them on. Do you recall if J105 sails have bolt ropes? Allen (don't trust scientists who think cigarettes don't cause cancer) On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: >I may have to remeasure my head stay. Yes they have luff tape (#6). I'm not sure about converting to hanks. Cost may be too high. I found mine at sailmaker: Hogan Sails in Alameda. Other Sail makers may be a good source. Also Blue Pelican Marine in Alameda (used stuff) and this guy: br… [at] aol.com had some good used sails. > >Cheers, > > > > >Mike >junk science skeptic > > > > >________________________________ To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com >Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:10:46 -0800 >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib tape to hank conversion, was: Used J105 sail, was: sail gamble, was:Sail Selection > > > > >Oh, I have hanked on sails and I am guessing any J105 sail is going to have a luff tape. How hard is it to convert? I have lots of hanks on older sails that I could probably use but am unsure about the rest. > > >Allen > > > > >> > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now.

Mike, I converted two such sails to hank on, it was inexpensive and worked out fine. I had my one of my sailmakers do it for me, too! Unfortunately one was a 155 Mylar (the original Norlam) built in 1985 and it steadily laminated over the next two seasons, getting smacked with waves and spray (the adhesive had dried out after twenty years, but I doubt that's a problem with current sails), but I kept gluing it pieces back on the Dacron scrim with spray contact cement. And...if I hadn't missed a buoy because that big beautiful sail was blocking my vision on the starboard side, I would have finally won the Corinthian Cup Regatta with that sail that year (oh drat!) I almost used that sail this year as a painter's drop cloth but I hadn't the heart to do it. Maybe it still has a few more races left in it, but, it is so covered up with patches of Dacron sail cloth repair tape (which isn't made or available anymore-the new stuff is plain mylar) it is barely recognizable as such. Jerry --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: From: Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Jib tape to hank conversion, was: Used J105 sail, was: sail gamble, was:Sail Selection To: "Cal boats List" <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 11:26 AM I may have to remeasure my head stay. Yes they have luff tape (#6). I'm not sure about converting to hanks. Cost may be too high. I found mine at sailmaker: Hogan Sails in Alameda. Other Sail makers may be a good source. Also Blue Pelican Marine in Alameda (used stuff) and this guy: brenthawkw@aol. com had some good used sails. Cheers, Mike junk science skeptic To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:10:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib tape to hank conversion, was: Used J105 sail, was: sail gamble, was:Sail Selection Oh, I have hanked on sails and I am guessing any J105 sail is going to have a luff tape. How hard is it to convert? I have lots of hanks on older sails that I could probably use but am unsure about the rest. Allen Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now.