Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib tape to hank conversion (Jerry)

Did the sails have bolt ropes, did you have the sailmaker add a rope, or did you just put hanks on the tape? If you just put hanks on the tape, what kind of winds do you sail in? Around here if the weather report isn't 15-25, there isn't enough wind to sail. I have been out in 30 gusting to 45 and would not want the sail to rip apart if that happens again. So, I am thinking bolt rope but am open to being corrected. Allen On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Mike, > I converted two such sails to hank on, it was inexpensive and worked out > fine. I had my one of my sailmakers do it for me, too! > >

Allen, I recall there is a small bolt rope that fits into the grove of the foil, then another sort of bolt rope behind that; I think the sailmaker put the grommets between them. I also asked that the grommets be spaced a few inches closer together than usual. The winds in SM Bay are far tamer than the bay on average, but often bump up to 17 mph in the Spring, and sometimes between 20 and 30 knots in late Spring and early, or even late Summer...but we can get wind storms any time of the year, particularly in the late Fall when we get Santanas that can be gale or storm force. This last season was tamer than usual, but this winter we're going to get El Ninio conditions, and in the early 80's that took out the Santa Monica Bay pier and breakwater, and ripped up the concrete Venice pier. Woooooowie! Good Cal sailing! Molokai Strait here we come! Pitty us, it's been down to the low fifties and upper forties at night and I'm freeeezing to death. Our season opener race is Jan 2, 2010, with 75 yachts from all over SoCal, including multi-hulls and big Transpac sleds. This year any kind of weather can be expected, and my chief competitor won't sail in the rain. I'm not smart enough to keep out of it...but I think I should fix the tear in the seat of my foulies this time. Jerry --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib tape to hank conversion (Jerry) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 7:54 PM Did the sails have bolt ropes, did you have the sailmaker add a rope, or did you just put hanks on the tape? If you just put hanks on the tape, what kind of winds do you sail in? Around here if the weather report isn't 15-25, there isn't enough wind to sail. I have been out in 30 gusting to 45 and would not want the sail to rip apart if that happens again. So, I am thinking bolt rope but am open to being corrected. Allen On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: Mike, I converted two such sails to hank on, it was inexpensive and worked out fine. I had my one of my sailmakers do it for me, too!

Jerry, I grew up in Westwood and remember the SM pier before it was shortened. I still remember having to buy a jacket to move up to SF. It has been freezing up here lately but I think conditions here are mild compared to much of the country. Thanks for the input on the sails. Not sure what I should do to convert a sail and not sure if all sails have bolt ropes or just tapes. I am just too old fashioned in my sailing knowledge. Even when I had a furler, it was a hanked on furler. I got rid of it and have no regreats. Allen On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Allen, > I recall there is a small bolt rope that fits into the grove of the foil, > then another sort of bolt rope behind that; I think the sailmaker put the > grommets between them. I also asked that the grommets be spaced a few inches > closer together than usual. The winds in SM Bay are far tamer than the bay > on average, but often bump up to 17 mph in the Spring, and sometimes between > 20 and 30 knots in late Spring and early, or even late Summer...but we can > get wind storms any time of the year, particularly in the late Fall when we > get Santanas that can be gale or storm force. This last season was tamer > than usual, but this winter we're going to get El Ninio conditions, and in > the early 80's that took out the Santa Monica Bay pier and breakwater, and > ripped up the concrete Venice pier. Woooooowie! Good Cal sailing! Molokai > Strait here we come! > Pitty us, it's been down to the low fifties and upper forties at night and > I'm freeeezing to death. Our season opener race is Jan 2, 2010, with 75 > yachts from all over SoCal, including multi-hulls and big Transpac sleds. > This year any kind of weather can be expected, and my chief competitor won't > sail in the rain. I'm not smart enough to keep out of it...but I think I > should fix the tear in the seat of my foulies this time. > > Jerry > > --- On *Fri, 12/11/09, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib tape to hank conversion (Jerry) > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 7:54 PM > > > > > Did the sails have bolt ropes, did you have the sailmaker add a rope, or > did you just put hanks on the tape? If you just put hanks on the tape, what > kind of winds do you sail in? Around here if the weather report isn't > 15-25, there isn't enough wind to sail. I have been out in 30 gusting to 45 > and would not want the sail to rip apart if that happens again. So, I am > thinking bolt rope but am open to being corrected. > > Allen > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=so… [at] yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> >> >> Mike, >> I converted two such sails to hank on, it was inexpensive and worked out >> fine. I had my one of my sailmakers do it for me, too! >> >> >

I had a sail converted to hanks for the 2-27 a couple years ago. It was Magic's old 155, and we only used it under 10 kts. We added a couple extra hanks compared to my dacron 155 to support the luff tape a little more evenly. It was just grommets into the luff tape. I think it may have still worked in a foil with the hanks removed. Unfortunately the sail gave up this past summer. We knew it was questionable the day we used it, but it had better shape and the boat pointed better than with my dacron 155. Seam separated, I looked at it again a week ago to try to sew it back together, but I think its too late. When the sailmaker put the hanks on he said we'd know when the sail was really shot when the crew started getting too much of the film in their eyes. My point being the sail was going to explode before we tore off the luff tape. I guess I'd say if your worried about the tape holding, shorten up the hank spacing although it would be a little more weight aloft. Bob Ellison Cal 2-27 Après Ski

Hi Bob, Sorry to hear that the 155 kevlar finally died... but, I'm glad that you were able to make some use of it while you could. --Michael-- s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL I had a sail converted to hanks for the 2-27 a couple years ago. It was Magic's old 155, and we only used it under 10 kts. We added a couple extra hanks compared to my dacron 155 to support the luff tape a little more evenly. It was just grommets into the luff tape. I think it may have still worked in a foil with the hanks removed. Unfortunately the sail gave up this past summer. We knew it was questionable the day we used it, but it had better shape and the boat pointed better than with my dacron 155. Seam separated, I looked at it again a week ago to try to sew it back together, but I think its too late. When the sailmaker put the hanks on he said we'd know when the sail was really shot when the crew started getting too much of the film in their eyes. My point being the sail was going to explode before we tore off the luff tape. I guess I'd say if your worried about the tape holding, shorten up the hank spacing although it would be a little more weight aloft. Bob Ellison Cal 2-27 Après Ski