Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:Santa Barbara Carnage (not for the faint of heart)

1 or 2 boats washing up on the beach here is not so unusual. The boats out in fools anchorage are boats owned, in part, by those without much money or smarts, others are loved but have no other place to go and are fairly well cared for. The city grew tired of footing the bill for demolishing and disposing most of the boats washed up, so they came up with the brilliant idea of regulating a "Mooring Field". They required $200.00 per year, with various rules and regulations on how and who set up the moorings and inspections. The boats unable to afford this new safeguard were forced to anchor further east, but still "Anchored". Some of you might remember shortly after this new system was in place, Sabine's Cal 25 broke loose of her "professionally" installed mooring on a flat calm day and ended up on the beach. I believe hers was the first boat to have done so. So here we are 2 years later, and have, at last count, 10 boats lying on their side. In the 17 years I have lived here I have never witnessed this much carnage. I am not sure how many boats were on anchor versus moorings but one thing is clear, the city did not have the answer to this problem. It is unfortunate for the boats and their owners. Standing on the beach watching those boats still hanging on their tackle violently rolling and bucking makes me wonder if a system exists to keep them safe. David and I walked the docks today checking on ours and our friends boats and was amazed how much the boats and docks were surging and bucking in the harbor. Oh, and the micro-burst that hit us while we were walking was pretty exciting as well. Mommy! Cheers Dan

Where are your docks? My boat used to be in Long Beach. I never remember much in the way of trouble there except when the title wave hit. In that case, the tide was high enough that the docks went higher than the poles and entire groups of boats, still neatly tied to their docks, went floating off. My dad told me about it. I wasn't there. Allen On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:14 PM, <ai… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > > 1 or 2 boats washing up on the beach here is not so unusual. The boats > out in fools anchorage are boats owned, in part, by those without much money > or smarts, others are loved but have no other place to go and are fairly > well cared for. The city grew tired of footing the bill for demolishing and > disposing most of the boats washed up, so they came up with the brilliant > idea of regulating a "Mooring Field". They required $200.00 per year, with > various rules and regulations on how and who set up the moorings and > inspections. The boats unable to afford this new safeguard were forced to > anchor further east, but still "Anchored". Some of you might remember > shortly after this new system was in place, Sabine's Cal 25 broke loose of > her "professionally" installed mooring on a flat calm day and ended up on > the beach. I believe hers was the first boat to have done so. So here we are > 2 years later, and have, at last count, 10 boats lying on their side. In the > 17 years I have lived here I have never witnessed this much carnage. I am > not sure how many boats were on anchor versus moorings but one thing is > clear, the city did not have the answer to this problem. It is unfortunate > for the boats and their owners. > Standing on the beach watching those boats still hanging on their tackle > violently rolling and bucking makes me wonder if a system exists to keep > them safe. > David and I walked the docks today checking on ours and our friends boats > and was amazed how much the boats and docks were surging and bucking in the > harbor. Oh, and the micro-burst that hit us while we were walking was pretty > exciting as well. Mommy! > > Cheers > Dan > > >

looks like this should be To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ai… [at] aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:14:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:Santa Barbara Carnage (not for the faint of heart) 1 or 2 boats washing up on the beach here is not so unusual. The boats out in fools anchorage are boats owned, in part, by those without much money or smarts, others are loved but have no other place to go and are fairly well cared for. The city grew tired of footing the bill for demolishing and disposing most of the boats washed up, so they came up with the brilliant idea of regulating a "Mooring Field". They required $200.00 per year, with various rules and regulations on how and who set up the moorings and inspections. The boats unable to afford this new safeguard were forced to anchor further east, but still "Anchored". Some of you might remember shortly after this new system was in place, Sabine's Cal 25 broke loose of her "professionally" installed mooring on a flat calm day and ended up on the beach. I believe hers was the first boat to have done so. So here we are 2 years later, and have, at last count, 10 boats lying on their side. In the 17 years I have lived here I have never witnessed this much carnage. I am not sure how many boats were on anchor versus moorings but one thing is clear, the city did not have the answer to this problem. It is unfortunate for the boats and their owners. Standing on the beach watching those boats still hanging on their tackle violently rolling and bucking makes me wonder if a system exists to keep them safe. David and I walked the docks today checking on ours and our friends boats and was amazed how much the boats and docks were surging and bucking in the harbor. Oh, and the micro-burst that hit us while we were walking was pretty exciting as well. Mommy! Cheers Dan

oops! incomplete thoughts. sorry. did not mean to send. wrong button. reggie To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: my… [at] hotmail.com Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:05:39 -0700 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re:Santa Barbara Carnage (not for the faint of heart) looks like this should be To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ai… [at] aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:14:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:Santa Barbara Carnage (not for the faint of heart) 1 or 2 boats washing up on the beach here is not so unusual. The boats out in fools anchorage are boats owned, in part, by those without much money or smarts, others are loved but have no other place to go and are fairly well cared for. The city grew tired of footing the bill for demolishing and disposing most of the boats washed up, so they came up with the brilliant idea of regulating a "Mooring Field". They required $200.00 per year, with various rules and regulations on how and who set up the moorings and inspections. The boats unable to afford this new safeguard were forced to anchor further east, but still "Anchored". Some of you might remember shortly after this new system was in place, Sabine's Cal 25 broke loose of her "professionally" installed mooring on a flat calm day and ended up on the beach. I believe hers was the first boat to have done so. So here we are 2 years later, and have, at last count, 10 boats lying on their side. In the 17 years I have lived here I have never witnessed this much carnage. I am not sure how many boats were on anchor versus moorings but one thing is clear, the city did not have the answer to this problem. It is unfortunate for the boats and their owners. Standing on the beach watching those boats still hanging on their tackle violently rolling and bucking makes me wonder if a system exists to keep them safe. David and I walked the docks today checking on ours and our friends boats and was amazed how much the boats and docks were surging and bucking in the harbor. Oh, and the micro-burst that hit us while we were walking was pretty exciting as well. Mommy! Cheers Dan

Hi Dan, When I went down to check on all our boats, it was the same thing, we are off the main channel and I was surprised how much water movement we had, in Saturdays storm it actually sawed threw my dock line and it parted. I walked up just as the marina tied my boat back up. I put on a heavier dock line than they used. On Wednesday's storm I had went down to make sure the boat had not filled up with water, since the storm was coming directly at the hatch boards. I probaly let more water in after I opened it that what was hitting it. As I was checking on my neighbors boats, the rain started to pour buckets. It was a good thing, I learned my foul weather gear needs to be waterproofed again, the rain was hitting the dock so hard, the splash back was over my head. After that down pour the rain stopped, then a gust of wind hit that roared thru all the riggings in the marina, I was looking for a place to hide since all the boats just rolled to one side in their slips with no place to go. My bibs and jacket are hanging in the garage waiting to dry so I can waterproof them. My wallet was soaked all the way thru. Randy Out Patient CAL 2-29 Channel Islands CA From: "ai… [at] aol.com" <ai… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 10:14:03 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:Santa Barbara Carnage (not for the faint of heart) 1or 2 boats washing up on the beach here is not so unusual. The boats out in fools anchorage are boats owned, in part, by those without much money or smarts, others are loved but have no other place to go and are fairly well cared for. The city grew tired of footing the bill for demolishing and disposing most of the boats washed up, so they came up with the brilliant idea of regulating a "Mooring Field". They required $200.00 per year, with various rules and regulations on how and who set up the moorings and inspections. The boats unable to afford this new safeguard were forced to anchor further east, but still "Anchored". Some of you might remember shortly after this new system was in place, Sabine's Cal 25 broke loose of her "professionally" installed mooring on a flat calm day and ended up on the beach. I believe hers was the first boat to have done so. So here we are 2 years later, and have, at last count, 10 boats lying on their side. In the 17 years I have lived here I have never witnessed this much carnage. I am not sure how many boats were on anchor versus moorings but one thing is clear, the city did not have the answer to this problem. It is unfortunate for the boats and their owners. Standing on the beach watching those boats still hanging on their tackle violently rolling and bucking makes me wonder if a system exists to keep them safe. David and I walked the docks today checking on ours and our friends boats and was amazed how much the boats and docks were surging and bucking in the harbor. Oh, and the micro-burst that hit us while we were walking was pretty exciting as well. Mommy! Cheers Dan

It looks like SB is getting another dose right about now. http://www.accuweather.com/radar-state.asp?partner=fcmregister&site=CAS&large=0&level=state Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 On Jan 21, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Ai… [at] aol.com wrote: > > 1 or 2 boats washing up on the beach here is not so unusual. The > boats out in fools anchorage are boats owned, in part, by those > without much money or smarts, others are loved but have no other > place to go and are fairly well cared for. The city grew tired of > footing the bill for demolishing and disposing most of the boats > washed up, so they came up with the brilliant idea of regulating a > "Mooring Field". They required $200.00 per year, with various rules > and regulations on how and who set up the moorings and inspections. > The boats unable to afford this new safeguard were forced to anchor > further east, but still "Anchored". Some of you might remember > shortly after this new system was in place, Sabine's Cal 25 broke > loose of her "professionally" installed mooring on a flat calm day > and ended up on the beach. I believe hers was the first boat to have > done so. So here we are 2 years later, and have, at last count, 10 > boats lying on their side. In the 17 years I have lived here I have > never witnessed this much carnage. I am not sure how many boats were > on anchor versus moorings but one thing is clear, the city did not > have the answer to this problem. It is unfortunate for the boats and > their owners. > Standing on the beach watching those boats still hanging on their > tackle violently rolling and bucking makes me wonder if a system > exists to keep them safe. > David and I walked the docks today checking on ours and our friends > boats and was amazed how much the boats and docks were surging and > bucking in the harbor. Oh, and the micro-burst that hit us while we > were walking was pretty exciting as well. Mommy! > > Cheers > Dan > >

Allen, I like that...Interesting concept, an entire marina floating freely in the sea. It reminds me of man made atolls in the movie "Water World"..a great flick even if the corrupt reviewers didn't like it's anti big oil sub-theme and therefore panned it. I wonder what it would cost per foot to have your boat berthed off shore? Only problem is driving out to see your boat, they'd need to build a tunnel, a bridge (to no where?), or you could always dinghy out. Jerry --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:Santa Barbara Carnage (not for the faint of heart) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 10:50 PM Where are your docks? My boat used to be in Long Beach. I never remember much in the way of trouble there except when the title wave hit. In that case, the tide was high enough that the docks went higher than the poles and entire groups of boats, still neatly tied to their docks, went floating off. My dad told me about it. I wasn't there. Allen On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:14 PM, <airtimeskipper@ aol.com> wrote: 1 or 2 boats washing up on the beach here is not so unusual. The boats out in fools anchorage are boats owned, in part, by those without much money or smarts, others are loved but have no other place to go and are fairly well cared for. The city grew tired of footing the bill for demolishing and disposing most of the boats washed up, so they came up with the brilliant idea of regulating a "Mooring Field". They required $200.00 per year, with various rules and regulations on how and who set up the moorings and inspections. The boats unable to afford this new safeguard were forced to anchor further east, but still "Anchored". Some of you might remember shortly after this new system was in place, Sabine's Cal 25 broke loose of her "professionally" installed mooring on a flat calm day and ended up on the beach. I believe hers was the first boat to have done so. So here we are 2 years later, and have, at last count, 10 boats lying on their side. In the 17 years I have lived here I have never witnessed this much carnage. I am not sure how many boats were on anchor versus moorings but one thing is clear, the city did not have the answer to this problem. It is unfortunate for the boats and their owners. Standing on the beach watching those boats still hanging on their tackle violently rolling and bucking makes me wonder if a system exists to keep them safe. David and I walked the docks today checking on ours and our friends boats and was amazed how much the boats and docks were surging and bucking in the harbor. Oh, and the micro-burst that hit us while we were walking was pretty exciting as well. Mommy! Cheers Dan

On Jan 23, 2010, at 1:06 AM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > > Allen, > I like that...Interesting concept, an entire marina floating freely > in the sea. It reminds me of man made atolls in the movie "Water > World"..a great flick even if the corrupt reviewers didn't like it's > anti big oil sub-theme and therefore panned it. It might have been because it was an awful movie with an incoherent script. I wondered about the fact that, in a world where dirt was precious, all those people in the floating colony had dirty faces. Anyway, I liked the catamaran. My son worked on the movie a bit and was friends with the guy who sailed the cat for them. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > I wonder what it would cost per foot to have your boat berthed off > shore? Only problem is driving out to see your boat, they'd need to > build a tunnel, a bridge (to no where?), or you could always dinghy > out. > Jerry > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > wrote: > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:Santa Barbara Carnage (not for the faint > of heart) > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 10:50 PM > > > > > Where are your docks? My boat used to be in Long Beach. I never > remember much in the way of trouble there except when the title wave > hit. In that case, the tide was high enough that the docks went > higher than the poles and entire groups of boats, still neatly tied > to their docks, went floating off. My dad told me about it. I > wasn't there. > > Allen > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:14 PM, <airtimeskipper@ aol.com> wrote: > > > 1 or 2 boats washing up on the beach here is not so unusual. The > boats out in fools anchorage are boats owned, in part, by those > without much money or smarts, others are loved but have no other > place to go and are fairly well cared for. The city grew tired of > footing the bill for demolishing and disposing most of the boats > washed up, so they came up with the brilliant idea of regulating a > "Mooring Field". They required $200.00 per year, with various rules > and regulations on how and who set up the moorings and inspections. > The boats unable to afford this new safeguard were forced to anchor > further east, but still "Anchored". Some of you might remember > shortly after this new system was in place, Sabine's Cal 25 broke > loose of her "professionally" installed mooring on a flat calm day > and ended up on the beach. I believe hers was the first boat to have > done so. So here we are 2 years later, and have, at last count, 10 > boats lying on their side. In the 17 years I have lived here I have > never witnessed this much carnage. I am not sure how many boats were > on anchor versus moorings but one thing is clear, the city did not > have the answer to this problem. It is unfortunate for the boats and > their owners. > Standing on the beach watching those boats still hanging on their > tackle violently rolling and bucking makes me wonder if a system > exists to keep them safe. > David and I walked the docks today checking on ours and our friends > boats and was amazed how much the boats and docks were surging and > bucking in the harbor. Oh, and the micro-burst that hit us while we > were walking was pretty exciting as well. Mommy! > > Cheers > Dan > > > >

Well, in this case the entire marina floated into the bridge embankment and all the boats were lost. It is an interesting concept but upkeep and maintenance would also be issues. And with environmental concerns, no shore heads, garbage, it isn't going to happen. But still a nice thought experiment. Allen On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Allen, > I like that...Interesting concept, an entire marina floating freely in the > sea. It reminds me of man made atolls in the movie "Water World"..a great > flick even if the corrupt reviewers didn't like it's anti big oil sub-theme > and therefore panned it. > > I wonder what it would cost per foot to have your boat berthed off shore? > Only problem is driving out to see your boat, they'd need to build a tunnel, > a bridge (to no where?), or you could always dinghy out. > Jerry > > --- On *Thu, 1/21/10, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:Santa Barbara Carnage (not for the faint of > heart) > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 10:50 PM > > > > > > Where are your docks? My boat used to be in Long Beach. I never remember > much in the way of trouble there except when the title wave hit. In that > case, the tide was high enough that the docks went higher than the poles and > entire groups of boats, still neatly tied to their docks, went floating off. > My dad told me about it. I wasn't there. > > Allen > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:14 PM, <airtimeskipper@ aol.com<http://mc/compose?to=ai… [at] aol.com> > > wrote: > >> >> >> 1 or 2 boats washing up on the beach here is not so unusual. The boats >> out in fools anchorage are boats owned, in part, by those without much money >> or smarts, others are loved but have no other place to go and are fairly >> well cared for. The city grew tired of footing the bill for demolishing and >> disposing most of the boats washed up, so they came up with the brilliant >> idea of regulating a "Mooring Field". They required $200.00 per year, with >> various rules and regulations on how and who set up the moorings and >> inspections. The boats unable to afford this new safeguard were forced to >> anchor further east, but still "Anchored". Some of you might remember >> shortly after this new system was in place, Sabine's Cal 25 broke loose of >> her "professionally" installed mooring on a flat calm day and ended up on >> the beach. I believe hers was the first boat to have done so. So here we are >> 2 years later, and have, at last count, 10 boats lying on their side. In the >> 17 years I have lived here I have never witnessed this much carnage. I am >> not sure how many boats were on anchor versus moorings but one thing is >> clear, the city did not have the answer to this problem. It is >> unfortunate for the boats and their owners. >> Standing on the beach watching those boats still hanging on their tackle >> violently rolling and bucking makes me wonder if a system exists to keep >> them safe. >> David and I walked the docks today checking on ours and our friends boats >> and was amazed how much the boats and docks were surging and bucking in the >> harbor. Oh, and the micro-burst that hit us while we were walking was pretty >> exciting as well. Mommy! >> >> Cheers >> Dan >> >> > >

Allen, If we put our man made Atoll in the middle of the Pacific Gyre, with its two Texas sized heap of floating degenerating styrofoam, who would notice if we make little more schmutz in the water? All we would need to do is watch out for derelict super tankers and their plague of buzzing PWC's. My VCR won't rewind my copy of Waterworld. I was planning to go to Blockbuster and have them try and do it for me, but by now Blockbuster doesn't rent or sell VCR tapes anymore, and is in the process of closing half their stores. I'm hoping the food at this man made Atoll in the middle of no-where is going to be so good (how can I miss with a renown staff of exquisitely trained French mus-chefs?) that it will become the most must sought after stop and stay and be seen scene place on Earth. We could open up a Hilton Hotel there just to be sure. Jerry --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:Santa Barbara Carnage (not for the faint of heart) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 12:05 PM Well, in this case the entire marina floated into the bridge embankment and all the boats were lost. It is an interesting concept but upkeep and maintenance would also be issues. And with environmental concerns, no shore heads, garbage, it isn't going to happen. But still a nice thought experiment. Allen On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: Allen, I like that...Interesting concept, an entire marina floating freely in the sea. It reminds me of man made atolls in the movie "Water World"..a great flick even if the corrupt reviewers didn't like it's anti big oil sub-theme and therefore panned it. I wonder what it would cost per foot to have your boat berthed off shore? Only problem is driving out to see your boat, they'd need to build a tunnel, a bridge (to no where?), or you could always dinghy out. Jerry --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:Santa Barbara Carnage (not for the faint of heart) To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 10:50 PM Where are your docks? My boat used to be in Long Beach. I never remember much in the way of trouble there except when the title wave hit. In that case, the tide was high enough that the docks went higher than the poles and entire groups of boats, still neatly tied to their docks, went floating off. My dad told me about it. I wasn't there. Allen On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:14 PM, <airtimeskipper@ aol.com> wrote: 1 or 2 boats washing up on the beach here is not so unusual. The boats out in fools anchorage are boats owned, in part, by those without much money or smarts, others are loved but have no other place to go and are fairly well cared for. The city grew tired of footing the bill for demolishing and disposing most of the boats washed up, so they came up with the brilliant idea of regulating a "Mooring Field". They required $200.00 per year, with various rules and regulations on how and who set up the moorings and inspections. The boats unable to afford this new safeguard were forced to anchor further east, but still "Anchored". Some of you might remember shortly after this new system was in place, Sabine's Cal 25 broke loose of her "professionally" installed mooring on a flat calm day and ended up on the beach. I believe hers was the first boat to have done so. So here we are 2 years later, and have, at last count, 10 boats lying on their side. In the 17 years I have lived here I have never witnessed this much carnage. I am not sure how many boats were on anchor versus moorings but one thing is clear, the city did not have the answer to this problem. It is unfortunate for the boats and their owners. Standing on the beach watching those boats still hanging on their tackle violently rolling and bucking makes me wonder if a system exists to keep them safe. David and I walked the docks today checking on ours and our friends boats and was amazed how much the boats and docks were surging and bucking in the harbor. Oh, and the micro-burst that hit us while we were walking was pretty exciting as well. Mommy! Cheers Dan

Well, I got to bed last night at half past three and when I awoke this morning at 7:15 I had a big argument with myself about whether to drag my sorry ass, as well as myself and my crew out of bed, to see Abby off on her 'Round the World' quest. Finally I realized my reading audience at Cal Boats would be both disappointed and disillusioned if I didn't, so I got up, showered, made a nice breakfast, and off to the boat we went, to scrape off a luxuriant meadow of sea grass off the bottom and see the show. It was a drop dead gorgeous day, with unlimited visibility, puffy strato cumulus and snow covering all the tall mountains. The Lifeguard and Harbor patrol boats lined up off the breakwater and gave her a water gun send off (or were they just trying to get me wet, as I preceded her out of the jetty?) We chased her boat for four miles and hopefully got a few good pics and video and will send them to you as soon as I figure out how to do it. Bon Voyage, Abby! Jerry

Cannot wait to see the pics, Jerry. Bon Voyage indeed..... Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 10:35:45 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Abbey's Excellent Adventure Well, I got to bed last night at half past three and when I awoke this morning at 7:15 I had a big argument with myself about whether to drag my sorry ass, as well as myself and my crew out of bed, to see Abby off on her 'Round the World' quest. Finally I realized my reading audience at Cal Boats would be both disappointed and disillusioned if I didn't, so I got up, showered, made a nice breakfast, and off to the boat we went, to scrape off a luxuriant meadow of sea grass off the bottom and see the show. It was a drop dead gorgeous day, with unlimited visibility, puffy strato cumulus and snow covering all the tall mountains. The Lifeguard and Harbor patrol boats lined up off the breakwater and gave her a water gun send off (or were they just trying to get me wet, as I preceded her out of the jetty?) We chased her boat for four miles and hopefully got a few good pics and video and will send them to you as soon as I figure out how to do it. Bon Voyage, Abby! Jerry

ai… [at] aol.com wrote: > > > 1 or 2 boats washing up on the beach here is not so unusual. The boats > out in fools anchorage are boats owned, in part, by those without much > money or smarts, others are loved but have no other place to go and > are fairly well cared for. The city grew tired of footing the bill for > demolishing and disposing most of the boats washed up, so they came up > with the brilliant idea of regulating a "Mooring Field". They required > $200.00 per year, with various rules and regulations on how and who > set up the moorings and inspections. The boats unable to afford this > new safeguard were forced to anchor further east, but still "Anchored". Here in the south end of Grand Traverse Bay, there is a tiny approved mooring field in front of the yacht club, surrounded by a larger field of "pirate" moorings (that's where I am). The area is protected from the W,S, and E by shoreline. From the north, a state harbor of refuge gives some protection, which explains why the moorings are where they are. The pirate moorings are mostly set by local guys who know what they are doing. Mine was a homemade undertaking involving a couple Danforth anchors on chain, secured in the middle to a big chunk of concrete wrapped in chain. I bought the spot from a guy who had bought a new deep-draft boat. It has been inspected by a local diver and mooring-setter who pronounced it sound. I'll need new chain again next year to my buoy, for peace of mind. Our local problem is that power boaters have taken to anchoring their boats using the little anchors and rodes that are sold with the boats, doing it right off the swimming beach where there is no protection at all from the north. When there's a big north blow, they all come ashore, and the newspaper and city government and the state's Dept. of Natural Resources all make a big stink about moorings. They don't seem to distinguish between those of us who do it in a safe location, and well, and those who do it foolishly. Last year a big houseboat device came ashore. The owner told the newspaper that this was her first year in boating. She had tossed out a little anchor and taken off for a few days' sojourn in Detroit. She told the newspaper that next year she was taking up RVing instead. You can grasp the extent to which she possessed any knowledge of proper anchoring technique. We all pay for such dimwits. Chris Campbell

Michael Kennedy wrote: > It looks like SB is getting another dose right about now. > I've been reading a collection of excerpts from Samuel Elliot Morrison's writings about the sea and sailors. He commented about Drake and Verrezano that they enjoyed extremely good fortune during their explorations, avoiding the weather usually experienced in the times and places of their passages. And he admired Magellan for sailing successfully in the strait named for him, a place that's difficult to navigate for boats with engines (or, he might have added, for boats that sail efficiently to weather). One predicted result of global warming was more extremes of weather conditions. On a short time scale, it's hard to know if we're seeing climate-change extremes, or just the usual randomness and variation in weather. Chris Campbell >

On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:28 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: > Michael Kennedy wrote: >> It looks like SB is getting another dose right about now. >> > > I've been reading a collection of excerpts from Samuel Elliot > Morrison's > writings about the sea and sailors. He commented about Drake and > Verrezano that they enjoyed extremely good fortune during their > explorations, avoiding the weather usually experienced in the times > and > places of their passages. And he admired Magellan for sailing > successfully in the strait named for him, a place that's difficult to > navigate for boats with engines (or, he might have added, for boats > that > sail efficiently to weather). > > One predicted result of global warming was more extremes of weather > conditions. On a short time scale, it's hard to know if we're seeing > climate-change extremes, or just the usual randomness and variation in > weather. Both Drake and Magellan were living during the Little Ice Age. This ended in 1850 or so and may have affected weather patterns although I doubt it made much difference to ocean sailors. In "Two Years Before the Mast," Dana describes anchoring off the coast of central and southern California. One problem they had were southwesterly winds that would come up and threaten ships anchored offshore. There were no harbors between San Diego and San Francisco. In his sequel, "Twenty four years after" written when he returned to California after the Gold Rush, he comments that the weather had changed and the southwesterly storms were no longer a problem. The prevailing afternoon wind here is southwesterly and north of Point Conception is usually boisterous. That point is often called The Cape Horn of California. South is usually mild except with big winter storms like we had last week. North is colder and much more windy. The winter storms here are usually low pressure and reverse the sea breeze pattern. We do have some high pressure winter storms and those are the ones that give us Santa Ana winds as they pass into Utah. The clockwise rotation produces strong northeasterly winds that accelerate as they come down hill from Utah. When that happens, we will get 80+ degrees for a few days with winds to 90 mph at times. The recent storms were low pressure and cold. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris Campbell >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Michael Kennedy wrote: > The prevailing afternoon wind here is southwesterly and north of Point > Conception is usually boisterous. That point is often called The Cape > Horn of California. South is usually mild except with big winter > storms like we had last week. North is colder and much more windy. The > winter storms here are usually low pressure and reverse the sea breeze > pattern. We do have some high pressure winter storms and those are the > ones that give us Santa Ana winds as they pass into Utah. The > clockwise rotation produces strong northeasterly winds that accelerate > as they come down hill from Utah. When that happens, we will get 80+ > degrees for a few days with winds to 90 mph at times. The recent > storms were low pressure and cold. > > So why did they call this the "Pacific" ocean? Chris Campbell

Chris, I remember a few major El Nino's in California, one the winter of 68-69 in which I took an outside job at a Chevron Station as a retail salesman of petroleum products & lubrication technician..the only thing I could find at the time after graduating pre-med out of college, continual rain which I thought was normal winter in CA. My girl frined and I went skiing in Tahoe..my first experience doing this..and the snow on each side of the I-80 highway was as high as the overpasses. Another was the rainy winter of '82-'83 or thereabouts; the storm destroyed the Santa Monica pier, and uprooted several other concrete piers along the coast, besides your usual mud sliding down the slopes homes. When it was announced this was an El nino year I expected it would be a rain winter, but as the saying goes, we need every drop we can get, as the reservoirs are extremely low. Jerry --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:Santa Barbara Carnage (not for the faint of heart) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 7:28 AM Michael Kennedy wrote: > It looks like SB is getting another dose right about now. > I've been reading a collection of excerpts from Samuel Elliot Morrison's writings about the sea and sailors. He commented about Drake and Verrezano that they enjoyed extremely good fortune during their explorations, avoiding the weather usually experienced in the times and places of their passages. And he admired Magellan for sailing successfully in the strait named for him, a place that's difficult to navigate for boats with engines (or, he might have added, for boats that sail efficiently to weather). One predicted result of global warming was more extremes of weather conditions. On a short time scale, it's hard to know if we're seeing climate-change extremes, or just the usual randomness and variation in weather. Chris Campbell > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > Chris, > I remember a few major El Nino's in California, one the winter of > 68-69 in which I took an outside job at a Chevron Station as a retail > salesman of petroleum products & lubrication technician..the only > thing I could find at the time after graduating pre-med out of > college, continual rain which I thought was normal winter in CA. My > girl frined and I went skiing in Tahoe..my first experience doing > this..and the snow on each side of the I-80 highway was as high as the > overpasses. > > Another was the rainy winter of '82-'83 or thereabouts; the storm > destroyed the Santa Monica pier, and uprooted several other concrete > piers along the coast, besides your usual mud sliding down the slopes > homes. > When it was announced this was an El nino year I expected it would be > a rain winter, but as the saying goes, we need every drop we can get, > as the reservoirs are extremely low. > For you Californians, one of my favorite Chuck Berry songs is "Promised Land," this wonderful little sub-three-minute summary of the 20th century American experience: heading from godforsaken wherever to the promised land of California. That final line can almost make me weep with its poignance: "Tell the folks back home this is the promised land calling and the poor boy's on the line." What a note of triumph. Chris Campbell P.S.: Here are the lyrics. I left my home in Norfolk Virginia, California on my mind. Straddled that Greyhound, rode him past Raleigh, On across Caroline. Stopped in Charlotte and bypassed Rock Hill, And we never was a minute late. We was ninety miles out of Atlanta by sundown, Rollin' 'cross the Georgia state. We had motor trouble it turned into a struggle, Half way 'cross Alabam, And that 'hound broke down and left us all stranded In downtown Birmingham. Straight off, I bought me a through train ticket, Ridin?cross Mississippi clean And I was on that midnight flyer out of Birmingham Smoking into New Orleans. Somebody help me get out of Louisiana Just help me get to Houston town. There? people there who care a little 'bout me And they won't let the poor boy down. Sure as you're born, they bought me a silk suit, Put luggage in my hands, And I woke up high over Albuquerque On a jet to the promised land. Workin' on a T-bone steak a la carte Flying over to the Golden State; The pilot told me in thirteen minutes He would sit us at the terminal gate. Swing low sweet chariot, come down easy Taxi to the terminal zone; Cut your engines, cool your wings, And let me make it to the telephone. Los Angeles give me Norfolk Virginia, Tidewater four ten O nine Tell the folks back home this is the promised land callin' And the poor boy's on the line. >

On Jan 25, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: > Michael Kennedy wrote: > > The prevailing afternoon wind here is southwesterly and north of > Point > > Conception is usually boisterous. That point is often called The > Cape > > Horn of California. South is usually mild except with big winter > > storms like we had last week. North is colder and much more windy. > The > > winter storms here are usually low pressure and reverse the sea > breeze > > pattern. We do have some high pressure winter storms and those are > the > > ones that give us Santa Ana winds as they pass into Utah. The > > clockwise rotation produces strong northeasterly winds that > accelerate > > as they come down hill from Utah. When that happens, we will get 80+ > > degrees for a few days with winds to 90 mph at times. The recent > > storms were low pressure and cold. > > > > > > So why did they call this the "Pacific" ocean? > Well, I guess it is more "pacific" than the north Atlantic in winter. Look at Plimsol lines. The higher he line, the worse the ocean. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris Campbell > > >

Michael and group, I remember hearing more American warships were sunk by Typhoons than bu enemy action during WWII. Scary! That 16 year old Ozzie gal doing her 'round the world did several knock downs and a 180 barrel roll in the Falklands area, but she's still keep on truckin'. News and photos are on the Latitude 38 on the website. Jerry --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re:Santa Barbara Carnage (not for the faint of heart) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 2:01 PM On Jan 25, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: > Michael Kennedy wrote: > > The prevailing afternoon wind here is southwesterly and north of > Point > > Conception is usually boisterous. That point is often called The > Cape > > Horn of California. South is usually mild except with big winter > > storms like we had last week. North is colder and much more windy. > The > > winter storms here are usually low pressure and reverse the sea > breeze > > pattern. We do have some high pressure winter storms and those are > the > > ones that give us Santa Ana winds as they pass into Utah. The > > clockwise rotation produces strong northeasterly winds that > accelerate > > as they come down hill from Utah. When that happens, we will get 80+ > > degrees for a few days with winds to 90 mph at times. The recent > > storms were low pressure and cold. > > > > > > So why did they call this the "Pacific" ocean? > Well, I guess it is more "pacific" than the north Atlantic in winter. Look at Plimsol lines. The higher he line, the worse the ocean. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Chris Campbell > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

California weather is a constant challenge. I first passed Pt. Conception to stb. in September 1973. I was master of a 35 foot Pilot which had been singlehanded from Valparaiso, Chile. My crew who had sailed southern California waters tied everything down put everything away even taking off the glass from the kerosene cabin lights. I said "Do we really need to do that?" "You'll see "was his reply. We left Santa Barbara at 10pm so to be off the cape at 2am- the best time- Motorsailing with the 4-107. Soon to a double reefed main and a blade jib. 10 to 15foot seas 10 seconds apart. I saw the majesty and power. Point Sur can be just as bad and even worse because there is nowhere to hide.. You can't tuck in to Port SLO. We approached Pt Sur delivering Fowl Play home from the Cabo race. The wind went from 4k to 22k in 18 minutes,on the nose,of course, this about 5 in the afternoon. By 1am 55k was over the deck and the Swan which had won her class in the race with Commodore Tompkins aboard was making 30 degrees of leeway and nearly nothing to weather with 3 reefs in and a #4 the coast from Sur to Monterey has many dangers on a thick night so offshore is safer. Richard Dana in "Two Years Before the Mast" describes a coastal passage in the brig Alert. Santa Barbara toward the Golden Gate. I won't spoil the story except to say that Alert made California in 122 days from Boston(I think, Boston) so she was a fast sailor but could not reach the Gate ending her passage in Monterey. As always, My Best, Mike Farrell Cal 20 Coyote #61 ps. Stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis blues again. Dylan ( lost his 63 foot sailboat on a reef off Venezuela entering a harbor at night.) From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 1:19:10 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Rainy Weather was Santa Barbara boats washed ashore Gerald Sobel wrote: Chris, >I remember a few major El Nino's in California, one the winter of 68-69 in which I took an outside job at a Chevron Station as a retail salesman of petroleum products & lubrication technician..the only thing I could find at the time after graduating pre-med out of college, continual rain which I thought was normal winter in CA. My girl frined and I went skiing in Tahoe..my first experience doing this..and the snow on each side of the I-80 highway was as high as the overpasses. > >Another was the rainy winter of '82-'83 or thereabouts; the storm destroyed the Santa Monica pier, and uprooted several other concrete piers along the coast, besides your usual mud sliding down the slopes homes. >When it was announced this was an El nino year I expected it would be a rain winter, but as the saying goes, we need every drop we can get, as the reservoirs are extremely low. > For you Californians, one of my favorite Chuck Berry songs is "Promised Land," this wonderful little sub-three-minute summary of the 20th century American experience: heading from godforsaken wherever to the promised land of California. That final line can almost make me weep with its poignance: "Tell the folks back home this is the promised land calling and the poor boy's on the line." What a note of triumph. Chris Campbell P.S.: Here are the lyrics. I left my home in Norfolk Virginia, California on my mind. Straddled that Greyhound, rode him past Raleigh, On across Caroline. Stopped in Charlotte and bypassed Rock Hill, And we never was a minute late. We was ninety miles out of Atlanta by sundown, Rollin' 'cross the Georgia state. We had motor trouble it turned into a struggle, Half way 'cross Alabam, And that 'hound broke down and left us all stranded In downtown Birmingham. Straight off, I bought me a through train ticket, Ridin?cross Mississippi clean And I was on that midnight flyer out of Birmingham Smoking into New Orleans. Somebody help me get out of Louisiana Just help me get to Houston town. There抯 people there who care a little 'bout me And they won't let the poor boy down. Sure as you're born, they bought me a silk suit, Put luggage in my hands, And I woke up high over Albuquerque On a jet to the promised land. Workin' on a T-bone steak a la carte Flying over to the Golden State; The pilot told me in thirteen minutes He would sit us at the terminal gate. Swing low sweet chariot, come down easy Taxi to the terminal zone; Cut your engines, cool your wings, And let me make it to the telephone. Los Angeles give me Norfolk Virginia, Tidewater four ten O nine Tell the folks back home this is the promised land callin' And the poor boy's on the line. >