Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter? (Charlie)

That makes sense. What the "pee police" do is board your boat and see which way the valve is turned ie" to your tank or overboard. Those who know the law and are breaking it will send someone below whenever the "pee police" are nearby to switch the valve over. Paul In a message dated 2/2/2010 11:06:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dn… [at] sbcglobal.net writes: It actually makes sense that you can pee over the side, but not through the head. The head and it's plumbing would contain the bacteria and mess from bowel movements that truly do pollute the water. Given Jerry's latest remarks about uses of pee during the war and my knowledge of survival techniques calling for it's consumption, I would think that it's impact on the environment of the Chesapeake Bay would be minimal. It is all of the other mess that is in sewage that requires sewage treatment plants! This is why I use the galley sink when single handing offshore. No harm done. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS Yesterday was our boats "birthday" -- she has now belonged to us for 24 years! "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@husar_c> To: "Cal_Boats@yahoogro "Cal_Boats@y<Cal_Boats@yahoogrouCal_Bo> Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 3:23:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Winter? Must be winter. Our topics always go farther afield this time of year. I do appreciate the comment on the strange logic that goes into legal relief over the side, but not into a pump-out head. Also, I avoid having anyone bring glass onto the boat. Anyone thought of catheters? Cheers Charlie

No personal experience . . . never been boarded on the water or water boarded for that matter ;-). I'm told that the coasties and the DNR can cite you for having your valve in the wrong position, so yes their boat can have a tinge of yellow . . . .mixed with red. Paul In a message dated 2/2/2010 2:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bo… [at] yahoo.com writes:

My understanding about the valve position requirement in no discharge of untreated waste areas (or no discharge at all areas) is that the valve has to be disabled, meaning that it has to be either locked or the handle has to be removed. Merely having it turned to the no-discharge position is not sufficient. YMMV. Harleigh Ewell Cal 31 "Kat's Cradle" From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:59 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter? (Charlie) No personal experience . . . never been boarded on the water or water boarded for that matter ;-). I'm told that the coasties and the DNR can cite you for having your valve in the wrong position, so yes their boat can have a tinge of yellow . . . .mixed with red. Paul In a message dated 2/2/2010 2:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bo… [at] yahoo.com writes:

We have been boarded 3 times. First time was in Tampa Bay headed under the Sunshine Bridge headed for Sarasota Bay. Inflatable approached us at 1630 hours with 8 armed men on board. Two requested permission to board which was promptly granted. We held our course and they approached from windward and boarded on the high side. Requested permission to stay underway as we wanted to make our anchorage in daylight. Permission was granted. One officer stayed above deck while my wife helmed. I went below and opened every cabinet, showed every item requested, etc. Our Y-valve for the head was wired closed to the holding tank and this was sufficient for him. Boarding lasted for over two hours. I had to remove every seat cushion and open every storage area on the boat and take out the contents. I put each back and we would move on to the next cabinet. He never touched any of my belongings. We passed with flying colors -- he told us we were the first ones ever, in his boardings, to have 0 defects. He let the halon system in the engine compartment slide as we could not get to the inspection tag without dismantling the box and I did not have the tools available to do so, but it was there as required. Our next boarding was 5 months later on New Year's Eve in Sarasota Bay outside the State Park in the mooring field. We were anchored amongst moored boats putting the girls to bed. All of a sudden it was daylight outside. I rushed up the companionway to see who was about to ram us and stared directly into an extremely bright flood light. The CG immediately identified themselves and asked to board. I asked that they turn off the light so I could be certain they were who they said they were. Light was doused, smaller lights turned on, and badges shown. They were on a black inflatable, with black outfits and black ski masks on. There rifles were black as well. Two men boarded, asked to see our previous inspection papers, asked if we had weapons on board (no), and promptly left telling us to have a good night. About an hour later, after my heart returned to my chest, we enjoyed the fireworks over the city. The CG inflatable was tied to the stern of a reprobate live aboard where they had been since leaving our boat. They were still there when we bunked down later that night. The boat was gone in the morning. The third time, they came aboard, asked for the previous report, thanked us, and left. Less than 5 minutes. That was in Pensacola. As we sailed from Pensacola to Panama City we were over-flighted by a 4-turbo-prop plane every hour on the hour from 2100 hours until we arrived in front of StABYC at 0300. We went outside as we could not fit under the bridge just east of Pensacola. We stayed about 15 miles off shore. The plane would fly out, circle us once, and fly back to shore. They never made radio contact and did not board us again at Panama City. I suspect they were just practicing! All of our encounters with the boarding parties were of the highest professional nature. The only part I ever questioned was the sudden lighting of my night in Sarasota. For several minutes I was truly frightened by what was happening. Afterward, they were quite compassionate and polite. I suppose boarding at night must be frightening for them as well. Never been boarded anywhere else but Florida. Never even approached anywhere else. Though we were closely watched through binoculars once in New York by Harbor Police trying to make certain we were not motoring as we had children riding on the bow hanging their feet over the side -- illegal in New York if the engine is running! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 7:58:49 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter? (Charlie) No personal experience . . . never been boarded on the water or water boarded for that matter ;-). I'm told that the coasties and the DNR can cite you for having your valve in the wrong position, so yes their boat can have a tinge of yellow . . . .mixed with red. Paul In a message dated 2/2/2010 2:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com writes: >From personal experience Paul? > >LOL....do the "pee police" have a special vessel, painted a slight > yellow tinge? > Charles >S/V Boomerang! >1980 Cal 39, Mark > II >St Michaels, MD > > > > > > From: "pwestla@aol. com" > <pwestla@aol. com> >To: > Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 11:10:30 > AM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] > Winter? (Charlie) > > >That makes sense. What the "pee police" do is board your boat and > see which way the valve is turned ie" to your tank or overboard. Those > who know the law and are breaking it will send someone below whenever the "pee > police" are nearby to switch the valve over. > >Paul > >In a message dated 2/2/2010 11:06:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dnlddttn@sbcglobal. net writes: > >>It >> actually makes sense that you can pee over the side, but not through the >> head. The head and it's plumbing would contain the bacteria and mess >> from bowel movements that truly do pollute the water. Given Jerry's >> latest remarks about uses of pee during the war and my knowledge of survival >> techniques calling for it's consumption, I would think that it's impact on >> the environment of the Chesapeake Bay would be minimal. It is all of >> the other mess that is in sewage that requires sewage treatment >> plants! This is why I use the galley sink when single handing >> offshore. No harm done. >> >> Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" >> >>PS >> Yesterday was our boats "birthday" -- she has now belonged to us for 24 >> years! >> >> >>"Twenty Years >> from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by >> the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe >> harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." >> ........Mark Twain >> >> >> >> >> From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" >> <husar_charlie@ bah.com> >>To: "Cal_Boats@yahoogro ups.com" >> <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> >>Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 3:23:40 >> PM >>Subject: [Cal_Boats] >> Winter? >> >> >>Must be winter. Our topics always go farther afield this time of year. I >> do appreciate the comment on the strange logic that goes into legal relief >> over the side, but not into a pump-out head. Also, I avoid having anyone >> bring glass onto the boat. Anyone thought of >> catheters? >> >>Cheers >>Charlie >

I do not understand the black ski masks. Is that even legal? Don't we have a right to see the face of anyone coming aboard our vessel, anyone can obtain badges tags guns rafts etc and look official. I guess one could get on the radio and confirm with the Coast Guard through channel 16 prior to the boarding.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Dutton To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter? (Paul) We have been boarded 3 times. First time was in Tampa Bay headed under the Sunshine Bridge headed for Sarasota Bay. Inflatable approached us at 1630 hours with 8 armed men on board. Two requested permission to board which was promptly granted. We held our course and they approached from windward and boarded on the high side. Requested permission to stay underway as we wanted to make our anchorage in daylight. Permission was granted. One officer stayed above deck while my wife helmed. I went below and opened every cabinet, showed every item requested, etc. Our Y-valve for the head was wired closed to the holding tank and this was sufficient for him. Boarding lasted for over two hours. I had to remove every seat cushion and open every storage area on the boat and take out the contents. I put each back and we would move on to the next cabinet. He never touched any of my belongings. We passed with flying colors -- he told us we were the first ones ever, in his boardings, to have 0 defects. He let the halon system in the engine compartment slide as we could not get to the inspection tag without dismantling the box and I did not have the tools available to do so, but it was there as required. Our next boarding was 5 months later on New Year's Eve in Sarasota Bay outside the State Park in the mooring field. We were anchored amongst moored boats putting the girls to bed. All of a sudden it was daylight outside. I rushed up the companionway to see who was about to ram us and stared directly into an extremely bright flood light. The CG immediately identified themselves and asked to board. I asked that they turn off the light so I could be certain they were who they said they were. Light was doused, smaller lights turned on, and badges shown. They were on a black inflatable, with black outfits and black ski masks on. There rifles were black as well. Two men boarded, asked to see our previous inspection papers, asked if we had weapons on board (no), and promptly left telling us to have a good night. About an hour later, after my heart returned to my chest, we enjoyed the fireworks over the city. The CG inflatable was tied to the stern of a reprobate live aboard where they had been since leaving our boat. They were still there when we bunked down later that night. The boat was gone in the morning. The third time, they came aboard, asked for the previous report, thanked us, and left. Less than 5 minutes. That was in Pensacola. As we sailed from Pensacola to Panama City we were over-flighted by a 4-turbo-prop plane every hour on the hour from 2100 hours until we arrived in front of StABYC at 0300. We went outside as we could not fit under the bridge just east of Pensacola. We stayed about 15 miles off shore. The plane would fly out, circle us once, and fly back to shore. They never made radio contact and did not board us again at Panama City. I suspect they were just practicing! All of our encounters with the boarding parties were of the highest professional nature. The only part I ever questioned was the sudden lighting of my night in Sarasota. For several minutes I was truly frightened by what was happening. Afterward, they were quite compassionate and polite. I suppose boarding at night must be frightening for them as well. Never been boarded anywhere else but Florida. Never even approached anywhere else. Though we were closely watched through binoculars once in New York by Harbor Police trying to make certain we were not motoring as we had children riding on the bow hanging their feet over the side -- illegal in New York if the engine is running! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 7:58:49 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter? (Charlie) No personal experience . . . never been boarded on the water or water boarded for that matter ;-). I'm told that the coasties and the DNR can cite you for having your valve in the wrong position, so yes their boat can have a tinge of yellow . . . .mixed with red. Paul In a message dated 2/2/2010 2:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com writes: From personal experience Paul? LOL....do the "pee police" have a special vessel, painted a slight yellow tinge? Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "pwestla@aol. com" <pwestla@aol. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 11:10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter? (Charlie) That makes sense. What the "pee police" do is board your boat and see which way the valve is turned ie" to your tank or overboard. Those who know the law and are breaking it will send someone below whenever the "pee police" are nearby to switch the valve over. Paul In a message dated 2/2/2010 11:06:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dnlddttn@sbcglobal. net writes: It actually makes sense that you can pee over the side, but not through the head. The head and it's plumbing would contain the bacteria and mess from bowel movements that truly do pollute the water. Given Jerry's latest remarks about uses of pee during the war and my knowledge of survival techniques calling for it's consumption, I would think that it's impact on the environment of the Chesapeake Bay would be minimal. It is all of the other mess that is in sewage that requires sewage treatment plants! This is why I use the galley sink when single handing offshore. No harm done. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS Yesterday was our boats "birthday" -- she has now belonged to us for 24 years! "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: "Cal_Boats@yahoogro ups.com" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 3:23:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Winter? Must be winter. Our topics always go farther afield this time of year. I do appreciate the comment on the strange logic that goes into legal relief over the side, but not into a pump-out head. Also, I avoid having anyone bring glass onto the boat. Anyone thought of catheters? Cheers Charlie __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4832 (20100203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4832 (20100203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I subscribe to Clairbon Youngs list/newsletter on the ICW. Apparently this is becomming quite common now in Florida.according to reports submitted to the group. While in Baltimore I was handled most professionally by USCG while at the City Docks during President Obama's visit while staring down a 50 calibre machine gun. "Captn what are your intentions" was the order, "To remain in Port until the harbour is officially opened to public transit" was the response."Many thanks" and a smile from a lad at least 6 foot plus and armed to the teeth. Both parties smiled and the USCG vessel moved off some 100 meters. The canine unit (I have a german shepard on board) in the blacked out SUV then also left its watch position about a 100 meters to my port. All in all extremenly professional and polite proceedings, if not a bit intimidating. But heck, I would also be suspiciouse of a vessel moored in the middle of winter, the only boat in the barbor, flying a yellow quarantine flag (till I cleared customs), no people on board (Chris and I were at the customs station) just a full grown german shepard. Would look really funny to me if I was running security for a presidential visit..:) /ch

so, the response came through from ma… [at] cox.net but not the message from Donald. Why would that be since both were sent to Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ma… [at] cox.net Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:50:24 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter? (Paul)  I do not understand the black ski masks. Is that even legal? Don't we have a right to see the face of anyone coming aboard our vessel, anyone can obtain badges tags guns rafts etc and look official. I guess one could get on the radio and confirm with the Coast Guard through channel 16 prior to the boarding.. From: Donald Dutton To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter? (Paul) We have been boarded 3 times. First time was in Tampa Bay headed under the Sunshine Bridge headed for Sarasota Bay. Inflatable approached us at 1630 hours with 8 armed men on board. Two requested permission to board which was promptly granted. We held our course and they approached from windward and boarded on the high side. Requested permission to stay underway as we wanted to make our anchorage in daylight. Permission was granted. One officer stayed above deck while my wife helmed. I went below and opened every cabinet, showed every item requested, etc. Our Y-valve for the head was wired closed to the holding tank and this was sufficient for him. Boarding lasted for over two hours. I had to remove every seat cushion and open every storage area on the boat and take out the contents. I put each back and we would move on to the next cabinet. He never touched any of my belongings. We passed with flying colors -- he told us we were the first ones ever, in his boardings, to have 0 defects. He let the halon system in the engine compartment slide as we could not get to the inspection tag without dismantling the box and I did not have the tools available to do so, but it was there as required. Our next boarding was 5 months later on New Year's Eve in Sarasota Bay outside the State Park in the mooring field. We were anchored amongst moored boats putting the girls to bed. All of a sudden it was daylight outside. I rushed up the companionway to see who was about to ram us and stared directly into an extremely bright flood light. The CG immediately identified themselves and asked to board. I asked that they turn off the light so I could be certain they were who they said they were. Light was doused, smaller lights turned on, and badges shown. They were on a black inflatable, with black outfits and black ski masks on. There rifles were black as well. Two men boarded, asked to see our previous inspection papers, asked if we had weapons on board (no), and promptly left telling us to have a good night. About an hour later, after my heart returned to my chest, we enjoyed the fireworks over the city. The CG inflatable was tied to the stern of a reprobate live aboard where they had been since leaving our boat. They were still there when we bunked down later that night. The boat was gone in the morning. The third time, they came aboard, asked for the previous report, thanked us, and left. Less than 5 minutes. That was in Pensacola. As we sailed from Pensacola to Panama City we were over-flighted by a 4-turbo-prop plane every hour on the hour from 2100 hours until we arrived in front of StABYC at 0300. We went outside as we could not fit under the bridge just east of Pensacola. We stayed about 15 miles off shore. The plane would fly out, circle us once, and fly back to shore. They never made radio contact and did not board us again at Panama City. I suspect they were just practicing! All of our encounters with the boarding parties were of the highest professional nature. The only part I ever questioned was the sudden lighting of my night in Sarasota. For several minutes I was truly frightened by what was happening. Afterward, they were quite compassionate and polite. I suppose boarding at night must be frightening for them as well. Never been boarded anywhere else but Florida. Never even approached anywhere else. Though we were closely watched through binoculars once in New York by Harbor Police trying to make certain we were not motoring as we had children riding on the bow hanging their feet over the side -- illegal in New York if the engine is running! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 7:58:49 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter? (Charlie) No personal experience . . . never been boarded on the water or water boarded for that matter ;-). I'm told that the coasties and the DNR can cite you for having your valve in the wrong position, so yes their boat can have a tinge of yellow . . . .mixed with red. Paul In a message dated 2/2/2010 2:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com writes: From personal experience Paul? LOL....do the "pee police" have a special vessel, painted a slight yellow tinge? Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: "pwestla@aol. com" <pwestla@aol. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 11:10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter? (Charlie) That makes sense. What the "pee police" do is board your boat and see which way the valve is turned ie" to your tank or overboard. Those who know the law and are breaking it will send someone below whenever the "pee police" are nearby to switch the valve over. Paul In a message dated 2/2/2010 11:06:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dnlddttn@sbcglobal. net writes: It actually makes sense that you can pee over the side, but not through the head. The head and it's plumbing would contain the bacteria and mess from bowel movements that truly do pollute the water. Given Jerry's latest remarks about uses of pee during the war and my knowledge of survival techniques calling for it's consumption, I would think that it's impact on the environment of the Chesapeake Bay would be minimal. It is all of the other mess that is in sewage that requires sewage treatment plants! This is why I use the galley sink when single handing offshore. No harm done. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS Yesterday was our boats "birthday" -- she has now belonged to us for 24 years! "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: "Cal_Boats@yahoogro ups.com" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 3:23:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Winter? Must be winter. Our topics always go farther afield this time of year. I do appreciate the comment on the strange logic that goes into legal relief over the side, but not into a pump-out head. Also, I avoid having anyone bring glass onto the boat. Anyone thought of catheters? Cheers Charlie __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4832 (20100203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4832 (20100203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

You were told correctly...so mind that valve! and take your flomax everyday... Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 10:58:49 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter? (Charlie) No personal experience . . . never been boarded on the water or water boarded for that matter ;-). I'm told that the coasties and the DNR can cite you for having your valve in the wrong position, so yes their boat can have a tinge of yellow . . . .mixed with red. Paul In a message dated 2/2/2010 2:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com writes: >From personal experience Paul? > >LOL....do the "pee police" have a special vessel, painted a slight yellow tinge? > Charles >S/V Boomerang! >1980 Cal 39, Mark II >St Michaels, MD > > > > > From: "pwestla@aol. com" <pwestla@aol. com> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 11:10:30 AM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter? (Charlie) > > >That makes sense. What the "pee police" do is board your boat and see which way the valve is turned ie" to your tank or overboard. Those who know the law and are breaking it will send someone below whenever the "pee police" are nearby to switch the valve over. > >Paul > >In a message dated 2/2/2010 11:06:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dnlddttn@sbcglobal. net writes: > >>It actually makes sense that you can pee over the side, but not through the head. The head and it's plumbing would contain the bacteria and mess from bowel movements that truly do pollute the water. Given Jerry's latest remarks about uses of pee during the war and my knowledge of survival techniques calling for it's consumption, I would think that it's impact on the environment of the Chesapeake Bay would be minimal. It is all of the other mess that is in sewage that requires sewage treatment plants! This is why I use the galley sink when single handing offshore. No harm done. >> >>Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" >> >>PS Yesterday was our boats "birthday" -- she has now belonged to us for 24 years! >> >> >>"Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain >> >> >> >> >> From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> >>To: "Cal_Boats@yahoogro ups.com" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> >>Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 3:23:40 PM >>Subject: [Cal_Boats] Winter? >> >> >>Must be winter. Our topics always go farther afield this time of year. I do appreciate the comment on the strange logic that goes into legal relief over the side, but not into a pump-out head. Also, I avoid having anyone bring glass onto the boat. Anyone thought of catheters? >> >>Cheers >>Charlie >

Not just right/wrong position, but also "locked" in place. This is done with wire or you might get away with cable ties. Have not seen or heard much about enforcement in the Bay (Chesapeake, that is) in recent years. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Strasburger Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter? (Charlie) You were told correctly...so mind that valve! and take your flomax everyday... Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 10:58:49 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Winter? (Charlie) No personal experience . . . never been boarded on the water or water boarded for that matter ;-). I'm told that the coasties and the DNR can cite you for having your valve in the wrong position, so yes their boat can have a tinge of yellow . . . .mixed with red. Paul In a message dated 2/2/2010 2:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com writes: