Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33
I believe it hull #13. I agree with you, the Cal33 is a great boat, I am putting a lot of resources into her, and I think she is worth it.
My goal is to have her in the water by mid summer,but by the look of thimgs, it may take longer, maybe fall...
Thanks for your advise, I think your suggested approach is the way to go.
Regards
Jeff Owen
On Mar 24, 2009, at 9:56 PM, "Fin Beven" <fi… [at] msn.com> wrote:
Jeff ... do you have any idea what hull number you are of the Cal-33's ?
My second long-distance race was aboard Cal-33 #1, called "Counterpoint" back then, and the race was from Long Beach, CA to La Paz, Baja California, Mexico. 1971.
The boat was owned then by Dick Deaver, who owned and ran the local North Sails loft. Jack Jensen was part of the crew.
You've got a great boat.
If in doubt about lead angles, talk to a sail-maker from a major brand. They've all got the rig, sail plan, and deck lay-outs, and may have some interesting advice. One of the best "upgrades" I made with Radiant was having a full-hoist #3 for when the breeze is in the 15 knot + range, which I expect you see with some frequency.
Does anyone know what might have become of Cal-33 #1 ?
Fin Beven
Cal-40 #24
Radiant
San Pedro, CA
From: Jeffrey owen
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks (Jeffrey) and small WM comment
Donald:
Thanks for your feedback, a simple solution to this problem! My current t-tracks and blocks are in good shape, I'll jus add a block to eliminate the line rubbing.
I am completely rebuilding my project Cal, and have sanded my way to discovery. My doubt came up originally when I sanded down the deck, and found that t-track holes were at some time drilled along the toe rails - could it be that those tracks were for spinakker blocks?
Anyway, thanks for taking the time for spelling out the reasoning behind the location. When I bought "Windie Elsie", I sailed her for a couple of months with my wife along the southern and western coasts of Puerto Rico. Allthough I am not an experienced sailor, I loved the way she handled in different conditions, and decided it was worth overhauling her. So I hauled her to my business, and spend an inordinate ammount of time working on her - my secretary suggested I install a phone extension in the boat! I think it will be another six months before I get her back in the water - there is a lot of work to be done, but I enjoy it a lot, and have found this to be - so far - a great learning experience.
I appreciate your feedback, the same goes to all!
Best regards
Jeff '72 Cal 33
From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:59:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks (Jeffrey) and small WM comment
Jeffrey,
The deck between the toe rails and the cabin is the perfect location for the tracks for the jib sheets. This location is instrumental in this boat's ability to point so high when sailing to windward and also to the ability to balance the sail plan with a slightly weather helm main working against a great pointing jib! I think you will find that a previous owner may have replaced the jib tracks, but the location is the factory position. This jib sheet location is one of the reasons that the boat sails so fast. It also adds twist to the jib when beam reaching allowing fewer helm corrections for moderate wind shifts!
If you are using a headsail that is short enough to have the jib sheets rubbing against the cabin corners than the placement of a second jib sheet car on the track just forward of the cabin corners will easily solve this problem and still allow you to point well. If the jib is a 130% or larger sail than I would argue that you are giving the jib too much belly and not flattening enough when pointing. My 135% genoa has best performance with the jib cars exactly between the two fixed portlights on the side of the cabin giving the jib sheets ample clearance from the cabin side. If the leach of your jib is fluttering when going to weather than you have the jib cars too far forward!
The only modification I have ever considered to the stock jib sheet tracks was to install Harken tracks and cars so that an adjustment system could be lead aft to near the cockpit. But the original cars and tracks work so well that it has never seemed worth the expense to replace it with the Harken cars and tracks. If, for some reason, you need to replace the tracks, I would find the jib sheet car that I like the most and purchase whatever track works for that car. Then replace them back where they were on the deck. To move them to the toe rail would greatly reduce the performance potential of your boat!
Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution"
PS I am kind of sorry that I mentioned the price of duct tape and my pricing at my "mom and pop" boat dealership. However, I have enjoyed the back and forth of opinions and think that a free exchange of ideas is exactly what a good list should have. I also agree with keeping the political side as quiet as possible! It has been my experience that West Marine stores have a huge variance from location to location with the one here in Fresno worthless for the sailor while the one in Alameda is almost worthless for the power boater! I also absolutely loved Fawcett's when we lived in New Jersey and kept our boat on the eastern shore of Maryland. I miss my store as it was the most fun I had working in all of my job history -- helping sailors find solutions for their boat equipment problems was work I could really get my teeth into!!
"Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain
From: Jeffrey owen <jeffrey_a_owen@ yahoo.com>
To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:59:40 AM
Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 33 t-tracks
Dear CAL 33 gurus:
One of my upcoming projects is to lay out the deck hardware, and I'd like some advise on the t-track layout, if any Cal 33 or 33 II owners out there has some photos, especially for the layout of t-tracks for jib and spinakker, it would be greatly appreciated. One of the previous owners installed them on the deck between the toe rails and cabin. Because of this, the jib sheets rubbed aginst the aft edge of the cabin corners - to the point were they actually wore down the corners! I am pretty sure they need to be installed on the toe rails, what I don't know is if a solid track is used, bridging the drain ports of the toe rail, or if a couple of tracks are cut to size to match the print of each section of toe rail - I don't think this is a great deal, but I have been taught that the worst question is the one that is never asked...
Also, what size t-track is right? The tracks I removed are too wide for the toe rail, I don't want to undersize either, any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Gracias to all from Puerto Rico....
Jeff '72 Cal 33
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