More winter damage

We haven't been down yet to see how Jambalaya is doing, but I just found out that the middle of three covered docks collapsed at our marina, Bohemia Bay Yacht Harbor. Many boats sank, and most apparently are still trapped beneath the debris. Makes me glad that the stick makes us too tall to get into a shed slip, but I suspect that we'll be buying a new bimini this year. (Another shed in nearby Georgetown on the Sassafras River also collapsed.) Alfred Poor 1973 Tartan 34C #288 "Jambalaya"

Someone asked the question a while back but I didn't see any responses. Let me ask again. By show of hands, how many folks who live in climates that require putting the boat up for the winter actually cover their boats. Those that do, to you shrink-wrap, use a custom fabric cover, or some 3rd option? Regards, Wayne From: Alfred Poor <ap… [at] bellatlantic.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 4:34:44 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage We haven’t been down yet to see how Jambalaya is doing, but I just found out that the middle of three covered docks collapsed at our marina, Bohemia Bay Yacht Harbor. Many boats sank, and most apparently are still trapped beneath the debris. Makes me glad that the stick makes us too tall to get into a shed slip, but I suspect that we’ll be buying a new bimini this year. (Another shed in nearby Georgetown on the Sassafras River also collapsed.) Alfred Poor 1973 Tartan 34C #288 “Jambalaya”

OREGON COAST = NO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:24 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage - Boat Covers Someone asked the question a while back but I didn't see any responses. Let me ask again. By show of hands, how many folks who live in climates that require putting the boat up for the winter actually cover their boats. Those that do, to you shrink-wrap, use a custom fabric cover, or some 3rd option? Regards, Wayne From: Alfred Poor <ap… [at] bellatlantic.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 4:34:44 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage We haven’t been down yet to see how Jambalaya is doing, but I just found out that the middle of three covered docks collapsed at our marina, Bohemia Bay Yacht Harbor. Many boats sank, and most apparently are still trapped beneath the debris. Makes me glad that the stick makes us too tall to get into a shed slip, but I suspect that we’ll be buying a new bimini this year. (Another shed in nearby Georgetown on the Sassafras River also collapsed.) Alfred Poor 1973 Tartan 34C #288 “Jambalaya”

Just bought the boat recently....and have a full custom canvas cover stem to stern for the boat....but have not yet used it.... WIth all this snow, and digging out we have done, I, umm, wish I had! Next year, one or the other WILL be used.... I have a friend here that makes a custom shrink-wrapped system you can walk around on deck underneath for his boat with a door. He lives on the boat, and it is really cool (no-pun intended). His heater down below keep the part under the shrink wrap noce and toasty too! Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: Wayne Gillikin <wa… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 5:23:35 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage - Boat Covers Someone asked the question a while back but I didn't see any responses. Let me ask again. By show of hands, how many folks who live in climates that require putting the boat up for the winter actually cover their boats. Those that do, to you shrink-wrap, use a custom fabric cover, or some 3rd option? Regards, Wayne From: Alfred Poor <apoor@bellatlantic. net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 4:34:44 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage We haven’t been down yet to see how Jambalaya is doing, but I just found out that the middle of three covered docks collapsed at our marina, Bohemia Bay Yacht Harbor. Many boats sank, and most apparently are still trapped beneath the debris. Makes me glad that the stick makes us too tall to get into a shed slip, but I suspect that we’ll be buying a new bimini this year. (Another shed in nearby Georgetown on the Sassafras River also collapsed.) Alfred Poor 1973 Tartan 34C #288 “Jambalaya”

tarps To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ti… [at] ch2m.com Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:24:21 -0700 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage - Boat Covers OREGON COAST = NO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:24 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage - Boat Covers Someone asked the question a while back but I didn't see any responses. Let me ask again. By show of hands, how many folks who live in climates that require putting the boat up for the winter actually cover their boats. Those that do, to you shrink-wrap, use a custom fabric cover, or some 3rd option? Regards, Wayne From: Alfred Poor <ap… [at] bellatlantic.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 4:34:44 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage We haven’t been down yet to see how Jambalaya is doing, but I just found out that the middle of three covered docks collapsed at our marina, Bohemia Bay Yacht Harbor. Many boats sank, and most apparently are still trapped beneath the debris. Makes me glad that the stick makes us too tall to get into a shed slip, but I suspect that we’ll be buying a new bimini this year. (Another shed in nearby Georgetown on the Sassafras River also collapsed.) Alfred Poor 1973 Tartan 34C #288 “Jambalaya”

I have three boats back home. 2 CS-22's and 1 CAL-20, other then the cal-20 as its a total project, the others are less of a project, they all have the masts off, rigging carefully wrapped up, with masts laid down on the bow and stern rails, or equivalent for the cal-20 (2x4 construction) tightly fastened and are covered with heavy grade blue tarps held down with a combination of bungees and line. All marina's on the North Shore of Lake Ontario store boats with the masts off, tarped, typically with heavy gauge plastic tarps, specialty covers and then shrink wrap in that order. /ch On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Wayne Gillikin <wa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Someone asked the question a while back but I didn't see any responses. Let me ask again. By show of hands, how many folks who live in climates that require putting the boat up for the winter actually cover their boats. Those that do, to you shrink-wrap, use a custom fabric cover, or some 3rd option? > > Regards, > Wayne > > ________________________________ > From: Alfred Poor <ap… [at] bellatlantic.net> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 4:34:44 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage > > > > We haven’t been down yet to see how Jambalaya is doing, but I just found out that the middle of three covered docks collapsed at our marina, Bohemia Bay Yacht Harbor. Many boats sank, and most apparently are still trapped beneath the debris. Makes me glad that the stick makes us too tall to get into a shed slip, but I suspect that we’ll be buying a new bimini this year. (Another shed in nearby Georgetown on the Sassafras River also collapsed.) > > > > Alfred Poor > > 1973 Tartan 34C #288 “Jambalaya” > > > > > > -- /ch

Good news as a bimini is way cheaper, never mind the heart ache of loosing a boat. /ch

Ok, I can weigh in on this question. I use a heavy duty tarp from Job Lot (a Rhode Island institution) to cover the boat. Over the cockpit on the Cal20 I use 1" PVC to form arches which lets me get into the cockpit and then to the interior of the boat after climbing up the stepladder. The tarp is securely tied to the boat trailer, the mast is stored on my deck. Not really missing the snow here... Chris B WeeHope III Cal20 > > Someone asked the question a while back but I didn't see any responses. Let me ask again. By show of hands, how many folks who live in climates that require putting the boat up for the winter actually cover their boats. Those that do, to you shrink-wrap, use a custom fabric cover, or some 3rd option? > > Regards, > Wayne > > ________________________________ > From: Alfred Poor <ap… [at] bellatlantic.net> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 4:34:44 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage > > > > We haven’t been down yet to see how Jambalaya is doing, but I just found out that the middle of three covered docks collapsed at our marina, Bohemia Bay Yacht Harbor. Many boats sank, and most apparently are still trapped beneath the debris. Makes me glad that the stick makes us too tall to get into a shed slip, but I suspect that we’ll be buying a new bimini this year. (Another shed in nearby Georgetown on the Sassafras River also collapsed.) > > > > Alfred Poor > > 1973 Tartan 34C #288 “Jambalaya” > > > > > > -- /ch ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Shrink wrap with vents and a door $250. Save the door for next year and save $15. We have members that have custom canvas covers the biggest problem they have is getting the canvas on the boat after the boat is hauled as the canvas is very heavy. We also have people that make their own frames and put plastic tarps on them, strong wind will blow off the one that are not well tied down. Bert Pesak 1989 Cal 28-2 in Stratford, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Gillikin To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage - Boat Covers Someone asked the question a while back but I didn't see any responses. Let me ask again. By show of hands, how many folks who live in climates that require putting the boat up for the winter actually cover their boats. Those that do, to you shrink-wrap, use a custom fabric cover, or some 3rd option? Regards, Wayne ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Alfred Poor <ap… [at] bellatlantic.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 4:34:44 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage We haven’t been down yet to see how Jambalaya is doing, but I just found out that the middle of three covered docks collapsed at our marina, Bohemia Bay Yacht Harbor. Many boats sank, and most apparently are still trapped beneath the debris. Makes me glad that the stick makes us too tall to get into a shed slip, but I suspect that we’ll be buying a new bimini this year. (Another shed in nearby Georgetown on the Sassafras River also collapsed.) Alfred Poor 1973 Tartan 34C #288 “Jambalaya”

Wayne Gillikin wrote: > > > Someone asked the question a while back but I didn't see any > responses. Let me ask again. By show of hands, how many folks who > live in climates that require putting the boat up for the winter > actually cover their boats. Those that do, to you shrink-wrap, use a > custom fabric cover, or some 3rd option? One boat lives indoors for the winter. The other is outdoors, under a big silver tarp that hangs over the horizontal mast that serves as a ridge pole. The mast is well supported at several points. I clear off accumulated snow from time to time. Chris Campbell >

Charles Strasburger wrote: > > > Just bought the boat recently....and have a full custom canvas cover > stem to stern for the boat....but have not yet used it.... WIth all > this snow, and digging out we have done, I, umm, wish I had! > > Next year, one or the other WILL be used.... I have a friend here > that makes a custom shrink-wrapped system you can walk around on deck > underneath for his boat with a door. Be aware that shrink-wrapping or any other cover option that has a cover tight against the hull can be bad for boats with LPU paint jobs. Most polyurethanes don't tolerate extended moisture exposure. That's why boot stripes are commonly done with regular enamels instead of the polyurethane. A cover that's snug against the hull can trap water against the paint. It's OK with gel coat. Chris Campbell

When we lived aboard I built a wooden frame out of 2 x 4 and 2 x 3 using the cheapest white wood possible and screws. Covered with blue tarps and tightly tied to the frame and/or stanchions and swim ladder. A trick I learned from old hands at the marina was to hang gallon jugs full of antifreeze from the tarp where tie downs were not to be found. The starboard side has a door with 8 foot zippers sewn into the plastic tarp by the Admiral -- lasted all winter. This worked very well. I used the cockpit with a propane Coleman heater as a private reading room after the children had bunked down for the night! Many people in the shore side winter storage used the same system and I would have done the same had the boat been ashore. The reason people used the jugs was learned from some who tied the covers to the jack stands and had the stands pulled from under the boat -- definite NO NO! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Wayne Gillikin <wa… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 2:23:35 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage - Boat Covers Someone asked the question a while back but I didn't see any responses. Let me ask again. By show of hands, how many folks who live in climates that require putting the boat up for the winter actually cover their boats. Those that do, to you shrink-wrap, use a custom fabric cover, or some 3rd option? Regards, Wayne From: Alfred Poor <apoor@bellatlantic. net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 4:34:44 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage We haven’t been down yet to see how Jambalaya is doing, but I just found out that the middle of three covered docks collapsed at our marina, Bohemia Bay Yacht Harbor. Many boats sank, and most apparently are still trapped beneath the debris. Makes me glad that the stick makes us too tall to get into a shed slip, but I suspect that we’ll be buying a new bimini this year. (Another shed in nearby Georgetown on the Sassafras River also collapsed.) Alfred Poor 1973 Tartan 34C #288 “Jambalaya”

I shrink wrapped my 25 this year. 1.5 times the cost of a tarp big enough for the job but wont blow away, has a zipper, and I dont have numb hands from trying to tie/untie rope and tarps all winter. I also noticed my tarp usually shredded away after 2 seasons so while it may cost more to shrink wrap my boat, I dont have to go down and check on the cover once a week, and I know that she's just how I left her. George To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: dn… [at] sbcglobal.net Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:07:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage - Boat Covers [3 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Donald Dutton included below] When we lived aboard I built a wooden frame out of 2 x 4 and 2 x 3 using the cheapest white wood possible and screws. Covered with blue tarps and tightly tied to the frame and/or stanchions and swim ladder. A trick I learned from old hands at the marina was to hang gallon jugs full of antifreeze from the tarp where tie downs were not to be found. The starboard side has a door with 8 foot zippers sewn into the plastic tarp by the Admiral -- lasted all winter. This worked very well. I used the cockpit with a propane Coleman heater as a private reading room after the children had bunked down for the night! Many people in the shore side winter storage used the same system and I would have done the same had the boat been ashore. The reason people used the jugs was learned from some who tied the covers to the jack stands and had the stands pulled from under the boat -- definite NO NO! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Wayne Gillikin <wa… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 2:23:35 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage - Boat Covers Someone asked the question a while back but I didn't see any responses. Let me ask again. By show of hands, how many folks who live in climates that require putting the boat up for the winter actually cover their boats. Those that do, to you shrink-wrap, use a custom fabric cover, or some 3rd option? Regards, Wayne From: Alfred Poor <apoor@bellatlantic. net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 4:34:44 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage We haven’t been down yet to see how Jambalaya is doing, but I just found out that the middle of three covered docks collapsed at our marina, Bohemia Bay Yacht Harbor. Many boats sank, and most apparently are still trapped beneath the debris. Makes me glad that the stick makes us too tall to get into a shed slip, but I suspect that we’ll be buying a new bimini this year. (Another shed in nearby Georgetown on the Sassafras River also collapsed.) Alfred Poor 1973 Tartan 34C #288 “Jambalaya” Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/

george macon wrote: > > > I shrink wrapped my 25 this year. 1.5 times the cost of a tarp big > enough for the job but wont blow away, has a zipper, and I dont have > numb hands from trying to tie/untie rope and tarps all winter. I also > noticed my tarp usually shredded away after 2 seasons This is an advantage of small boats, but I buy a silver tarp long enough for the length (almost) of my Cal 20 and twice the required width. That is, I fold it in half. I add grommets on the folded edge. Now I have two silver surfaces. Each lasts two or three years. When one starts to deteriorate, I flip the tarp over and use the other side. The old top side is underneath now and still adds some strength. When I figured it was time to buy a new silver tarp, I put the old one over it to serve as a UV protector. The Cal 20 has always been stored within a few miles of my house, and I like to check on her from time to time anyway. Our boats become a sort of inanimate friend, and we need to check in on our friends occasionally. Chris Campbell > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Good point, Chris, and thanks. Have not used it this year, but the way it is designed is that it ties underneath the hull, and has sandbags that drape over about 10-12 inches lower than the bootstripe. Pretty cool actually. It actually was designed in CA, where the boat came from.... Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 12:06:05 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] More winter damage - Boat Covers Charles Strasburger wrote: Just bought the boat recently.... and have a full custom canvas cover stem to stern for the boat....but have not yet used it.... WIth all this snow, and digging out we have done, I, umm, wish I had! > >Next year, one or the other WILL be used.... I have a friend here that makes a custom shrink-wrapped system you can walk around on deck underneath for his boat with a door. Be aware that shrink-wrapping or any other cover option that has a cover tight against the hull can be bad for boats with LPU paint jobs. Most polyurethanes don't tolerate extended moisture exposure. That's why boot stripes are commonly done with regular enamels instead of the polyurethane. A cover that's snug against the hull can trap water against the paint. It's OK with gel coat. Chris Campbell

I am also curious to know how many who pull their boat out in the winter don't cover as a general rule. My prior boat was a Cal 28 flat top. I had the boat for 15 years (liked it a lot) and never covered it. I now have a custom canvas cover over a frame of conduit for the Cal 39. The hull is Awlgrip. The cover has lines that run under the boat to the other side of the cover. No sand bags or jugs. The cover is not tight against the hull but certainly doesn't hang free. I had heard that Awlgrip does not do well living in moisture. My experience with the cover over the past 10 years is that it does not get or stay wet where it lays against the Awlgrip. The canvas repels the water for the most part and is dry within an hour of the rain. I find it to be a great solution and the boat stays moisture free all winter. The other advantage is that if there is any sun the boat is reasonably warm under the canvas (light green) cover. I have heard complaints by others with the same cover that lugging it onto the boat is too hard. Some put the cover aboard while the boat is still in the water. Last year I used my SwissTech MastLift to haul a friend's cover onto their LaCost 42. The toe rail has to be 15 feet of the ground. It worked fine but I found it to be a bit of a long drawn out process to avoid a bit of heavy lifting. I still muscle my cover on board.

Wayne: This Cal list site has a feature for polling purposes and it works quite well. I think a few of us would be interested in the answers to that question. Check it out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/polls Danny --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@...> wrote: > > Wayne Gillikin wrote: > > > > > > Someone asked the question a while back but I didn't see any > > responses. Let me ask again. By show of hands, how many folks who > > live in climates that require putting the boat up for the winter > > actually cover their boats. Those that do, to you shrink-wrap, use a > > custom fabric cover, or some 3rd option? >SNIP>

That is a great idea. I was unaware of the Poll feature. This is exactly the format I am looking for. I will try to post the Poll today. Thanks Danny. Regards, Wayne From: Danny <db… [at] easystreet.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 9:48:01 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: More winter damage - Boat Covers Wayne: This Cal list site has a feature for polling purposes and it works quite well. I think a few of us would be interested in the answers to that question. Check it out: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Cal_ Boats/polls Danny --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@ ...> wrote: > > Wayne Gillikin wrote: > > > > > > Someone asked the question a while back but I didn't see any > > responses. Let me ask again. By show of hands, how many folks who > > live in climates that require putting the boat up for the winter > > actually cover their boats. Those that do, to you shrink-wrap, use a > > custom fabric cover, or some 3rd option? >SNIP>