Human seafaring goes back at least 130,000 yars

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/science/16archeo.html This NYTimes article describes the finding of 130,000 year old stone tools on the Island of Crete, indicating human sea faring goes back a long, long, long time. I have long suspected such is the case. I wonder what these craft looked like? Jerry

The article goes on to state that they resemble stone tools previously dated from an African culture that existed 700,000 years ago, long before the advent of humans in their current form. No wonder we have this strong affinity for our little sea going ships! It's in our blood! Jerry --- On Fri, 2/19/10, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Human seafaring goes back at least 130,000 yars To: md… [at] yahoogroups.com, Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Cc: so… [at] msn.com Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:12 AM http://www.nytimes. com/2010/ 02/16/science/ 16archeo. html This NYTimes article describes the finding of 130,000 year old stone tools on the Island of Crete, indicating human sea faring goes back a long, long, long time. I have long suspected such is the case. I wonder what these craft looked like? Jerry

Today at 4pm the America's arrives at SFO airport from Spain along with team BOR. The cup will be displayed at the Golden Gate YC at 8:30 pm. Unfortunately at this time it is open to GGYC members and invited guests.. At 11:00 tomorrow ,Sat. the America's Cup will be on display in the Rotunda at San Francisco's City Hall Van Ness and Mc Allister St. during a reception for team BOR and The Cup. Please come and show your support and enthusiasm. Mike Farrell, Cal 20 Rambler #1114 & Coyote #61 From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: md… [at] yahoogroups.com; Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Cc: so… [at] msn.com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 2:12:07 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Human seafaring goes back at least 130,000 yars http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/science/16archeo.html This NYTimes article describes the finding of 130,000 year old stone tools on the Island of Crete, indicating human sea faring goes back a long, long, long time. I have long suspected such is the case. I wonder what these craft looked like? Jerry

They looked like Buccaneers, Jerry. Remember those? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:12 AM To: md… [at] yahoogroups.com; Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Cc: so… [at] msn.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Human seafaring goes back at least 130,000 yars http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/science/16archeo.html This NYTimes article describes the finding of 130,000 year old stone tools on the Island of Crete, indicating human sea faring goes back a long, long, long time. I have long suspected such is the case. I wonder what these craft looked like? Jerry

What a wonderful discovery! Ancient sailors are amazing to me. They didn't know that they couldn't do what they did, explore what they explored and find what they found. I have obsessed over the fascinating art of traditional navigation for years. It is common to almost every culture on earth. Sailors of every nationality have added to our understanding of finding our way around. The Polynesians taught us to navigate by observing birds and cloud types. The Norsemen followed vast ocean currents not understood for hundreds of years until Benjamin Franklin officially discovered the Gulf Stream. The Spanish, Dutch, English and Portuguese perfected map-making and thus opened ocean navigation to the wider world. Vast wealth was created when the race to the Spice Islands of the East brought back wealth in the form of exotic spices. Those prized spices preserved spoiled meats or covered up the taste and odor of meat past its pull date. That early wealth was essentially the result of the lack of refrigeration. Those early merchants and explorers could not have made the long trips without mapmakers and navigators and simple wooden boats. But these early sailors did it all with out fiberglass and GPS. Bob Perry and Bill Lapworth would have tossed their most ancient ship designs in the scrap heap as unusable. But these sailors made the trip! They shoved off with little more than crude wooden hulls, sisal sheets and goat skins filled with water and wine. They were men like us. They had families, farms and survival tasks to do. Somehow, they shoved off and found new shores anyway. Meanwhile I fuss over diesel heat and a new fuel tank... Danny --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/science/16archeo.html > > This NYTimes article describes the finding of 130,000 year old stone tools on the Island of Crete, indicating human sea faring goes back a long, long, long time. > I have long suspected such is the case. > > I wonder what these craft looked like? > Jerry >

Danny wrote: > But these early sailors did it all with out fiberglass and GPS. Bob Perry and Bill Lapworth would have tossed their most ancient ship designs in the scrap heap as unusable. But these sailors made the trip! They shoved off with little more than crude wooden hulls, sisal sheets and goat skins filled with water and wine. They were men like us. They had families, farms and survival tasks to do. Somehow, they shoved off and found new shores anyway. > Meanwhile I fuss over diesel heat and a new fuel tank... > I was thinking about this the other day. The NASA administrator was talking about new ventures and the possibility that lives might be lost in exploration. He was approaching this gingerly, because we've come to expect perfection in situations where there's obvious risk. My thought was "Well, of course there's risk to life, look at the history of exploration. We set out with inadequate knowledge and imperfect vessels, and things happen." Modern life is so much more risk-averse, and loss of life turns into a national tragedy with finger-pointing in every direction. Now there is something to be said for that--it encourages the taking of due care and the utmost in responsible preparation. We should be careful of human life and we should not take the cynical attitude that lives are expendable, so why bother. There was a news report about the French exposing their soldiers to radiation to see what happened, just as we did to ours, apparently. It's good to get beyond that kind of recklessness. But when participants in exploration are aware of the risks, and we make genuine efforts to minimize risks, given our knowledge and technology, then it's proper to be in awe of those with the courage to set out anyway. Chris Campbell

Mike, Thanks for the heads up. I'd like to sail in a visit for an hour. Haven't done that since 92 in San Deigo. Does anyone know of a free place to tie up in the city for an hour or two? Pier 1.5 is too rolly for me. Thanks Dave 80 Cal 35 Runnin Late Coyote Pt, SF Bay From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> To: mdrvmf@yahoogroups. com; Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Cc: sobelsolar@msn. com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 2:12:07 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Human seafaring goes back at least 130,000 yars Recent Activity: * New Members 2 Visit Your Group Start a New Topic Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .

Mike, I sure hope San Francisco and the Bay Area does what it takes to encourage holding the next Cup regatta in the Bay. Thanks for the heads up, altho being down here in the hinterland (LA) I won't be able to make it. Wooooooooooowwiiieee. (Sorry for my enthusiasm, but the story of the cup has a lot to do with huge numbers of people's interest as sailing as a sport, and motivating advances in sailing technology) Avast and all that, Jerry --- On Fri, 2/19/10, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 5:07 AM Today at 4pm the America's arrives at SFO airport from Spain along with team BOR. The cup will be displayed at the Golden Gate YC at 8:30 pm. Unfortunately at this time it is open to GGYC members and invited guests.. At 11:00 tomorrow ,Sat. the America's Cup will be on display in the Rotunda at San Francisco's City Hall Van Ness and Mc Allister St. during a reception for team BOR and The Cup. Please come and show your support and enthusiasm. Mike Farrell, Cal 20 Rambler #1114 & Coyote #61 From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> To: mdrvmf@yahoogroups. com; Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Cc: sobelsolar@msn. com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 2:12:07 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Human seafaring goes back at least 130,000 yars http://www.nytimes. com/2010/ 02/16/science/ 16archeo. html This NYTimes article describes the finding of 130,000 year old stone tools on the Island of Crete, indicating human sea faring goes back a long, long, long time. I have long suspected such is the case. I wonder what these craft looked like? Jerry

Dave I think South Beach Marina gives you a LITTLE time for free before the $1/foot kicks in??? what dock are you on at CP? I am on 25, though the boat is in the shop and is not a cal. :) just a cal admirer for now... hope to have a cal 40 someday... --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, biggs dave <imissedmyface@...> wrote: > > Mike, > > Thanks for the heads up. I'd like to sail in a visit for an hour. Haven't done that since 92 in San Deigo. > > Does anyone know of a free place to tie up in the city for an hour or two? Pier 1.5 is too rolly for me. Thanks > > Dave > 80 Cal 35 Runnin Late > Coyote Pt, SF Bay > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> > To: mdrvmf@yahoogroups. com; Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Cc: sobelsolar@msn. com > Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 2:12:07 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Human seafaring goes back at least 130,000 yars > > > Recent Activity: * New Members 2 > Visit Your Group Start a New Topic > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > . >

You could tie up at the GGYC feel free to use my name. Also there is a pumpout dock in the West Basin SF Marina. This is directly opposite south of the GGYC A short stay , end tie style just to the west of that pumpout dock or at the other end of that series of berths are used for guest berthing. It's near the stone house of the SF Marina office. My Best, Mike From: biggs dave <im… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 10:15:50 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup Mike, Thanks for the heads up. I'd like to sail in a visit for an hour. Haven't done that since 92 in San Deigo. Does anyone know of a free place to tie up in the city for an hour or two? Pier 1.5 is too rolly for me. Thanks Dave 80 Cal 35 Runnin Late Coyote Pt, SF Bay From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> To: mdrvmf@yahoogroups. com; Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Cc: sobelsolar@msn. com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 2:12:07 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Human seafaring goes back at least 130,000 yars Recent Activity: * New Members 2 Visit Your Group Start a New Topic Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .

Jerry, The cup is due to make a tour with San Diego as a stop. then to the East Coast and back for display at the GGYC. When the Cup is back at the club, my invitation is good for ALL Cal Group sailors to see the Cup up close and personal at the club. My Best, Mike From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 11:30:19 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup Mike, I sure hope San Francisco and the Bay Area does what it takes to encourage holding the next Cup regatta in the Bay. Thanks for the heads up, altho being down here in the hinterland (LA) I won't be able to make it. Wooooooooooowwiiieee. (Sorry for my enthusiasm, but the story of the cup has a lot to do with huge numbers of people's interest as sailing as a sport, and motivating advances in sailing technology) Avast and all that, Jerry --- On Fri, 2/19/10, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> >Subject: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 5:07 AM > > > > Today at 4pm the America's arrives at SFO airport from Spain along with team BOR. The cup will be displayed at the Golden Gate YC at 8:30 pm. Unfortunately at this time it is open to GGYC members and invited guests.. At 11:00 tomorrow ,Sat. the America's Cup will be on display in the Rotunda at San Francisco's City Hall Van Ness and Mc Allister St. during a reception for team BOR and The Cup. Please come and show your support and enthusiasm. > Mike Farrell, Cal 20 Rambler #1114 & Coyote #61 > > > > From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> >To: mdrvmf@yahoogroups. com; Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Cc: sobelsolar@msn. com >Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 2:12:07 AM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Human seafaring goes back at least 130,000 yars > > > > >http://www.nytimes. com/2010/ 02/16/science/ 16archeo. html > >This NYTimes article describes the finding of 130,000 year old stone tools on the Island of Crete, indicating human sea faring goes back a long, long, long time. >I have long suspected such is the case. > >I wonder what these craft looked like? >Jerry > > >

Mike, Very Kool! Thanks. Jerry --- On Fri, 2/19/10, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:20 PM Jerry, The cup is due to make a tour with San Diego as a stop. then to the East Coast and back for display at the GGYC. When the Cup is back at the club, my invitation is good for ALL Cal Group sailors to see the Cup up close and personal at the club. My Best, Mike From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 11:30:19 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup Mike, I sure hope San Francisco and the Bay Area does what it takes to encourage holding the next Cup regatta in the Bay. Thanks for the heads up, altho being down here in the hinterland (LA) I won't be able to make it. Wooooooooooowwiiiee e. (Sorry for my enthusiasm, but the story of the cup has a lot to do with huge numbers of people's interest as sailing as a sport, and motivating advances in sailing technology) Avast and all that, Jerry --- On Fri, 2/19/10, mike farrell <vectormenow@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: mike farrell <vectormenow@ yahoo.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] America's Cup To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 5:07 AM Today at 4pm the America's arrives at SFO airport from Spain along with team BOR. The cup will be displayed at the Golden Gate YC at 8:30 pm. Unfortunately at this time it is open to GGYC members and invited guests.. At 11:00 tomorrow ,Sat. the America's Cup will be on display in the Rotunda at San Francisco's City Hall Van Ness and Mc Allister St. during a reception for team BOR and The Cup. Please come and show your support and enthusiasm. Mike Farrell, Cal 20 Rambler #1114 & Coyote #61 From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> To: mdrvmf@yahoogroups. com; Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Cc: sobelsolar@msn. com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 2:12:07 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Human seafaring goes back at least 130,000 yars http://www.nytimes. com/2010/ 02/16/science/ 16archeo. html This NYTimes article describes the finding of 130,000 year old stone tools on the Island of Crete, indicating human sea faring goes back a long, long, long time. I have long suspected such is the case. I wonder what these craft looked like? Jerry

Hi, we left all of our cushions in the cockpit to "AIR OUT" but it rained and now we have soggy, wet cushions. Is there some technique to dry these out??? we have tried to wring them out (But that tears the foam)..We have a "big vacuum" but it sucks holes in foam.... we have a leaf blower? put them between two sheets of plywood and drive over them?? any Ideas ???

If you get mold growing you will probably end up replacing them. If it were me, I would put them in a room (I would use a bathroom) with a space heater and bring the room up to 100+ degrees. I dried my (wood) boom out by heating my garage up to something like that. That was 20 years ago and I think it cost me $100 in electricity to do it. It would probably be 10 times that today. Better to use an insulated room :-) Allen On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net>wrote: > > > Hi, we left all of our cushions in the cockpit to "AIR OUT" but it rained > and now we have soggy, wet cushions. Is there some technique to dry these > out??? we have tried to wring them out (But that tears the foam)..We have a > "big vacuum" but it sucks holes in foam.... we have a leaf blower? put them > between two sheets of plywood and drive over them?? > any Ideas ??? > > >

Our cushions were pretty moldy smelling when we bought our boat and we washed them and let them dry in the basement during one of the early summer months. The cushions did dry out, but the smell remained, so we just replaced all them. Now we make sure and take them off during the winter months unless we're using the boat. From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 11:36:52 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] How to dry out foam cushions ? Hi, we left all of our cushions in the cockpit to "AIR OUT" but it rained and now we have soggy, wet cushions. Is there some technique to dry these out??? we have tried to wring them out (But that tears the foam)..We have a "big vacuum" but it sucks holes in foam.... we have a leaf blower? put them between two sheets of plywood and drive over them?? any Ideas ???

Try using plastic (large garbage bags duct taped together) hooked up to a wet/dry vac. Be sure to take the paper filter out of the vac. The vacuum created will squeeze the foam, a little heat (heat lamps) will raise the vaporization of the moisture in the lower vacuum bag. YMMV John From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:37 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] How to dry out foam cushions ? If you get mold growing you will probably end up replacing them. If it were me, I would put them in a room (I would use a bathroom) with a space heater and bring the room up to 100+ degrees. I dried my (wood) boom out by heating my garage up to something like that. That was 20 years ago and I think it cost me $100 in electricity to do it. It would probably be 10 times that today. Better to use an insulated room :-) Allen On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hi, we left all of our cushions in the cockpit to "AIR OUT" but it rained and now we have soggy, wet cushions. Is there some technique to dry these out??? we have tried to wring them out (But that tears the foam)..We have a "big vacuum" but it sucks holes in foam.... we have a leaf blower? put them between two sheets of plywood and drive over them?? any Ideas ???

If you have to replace them, consider these. They are great and as they are closed foam, they can't get wet. http://www.ccushions.com/ Mine were custom cut to fit my boat and they even screened my boat name on them to my artwork. <http://www.ccushions.com/>Allen On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Frans Sell <fr… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Our cushions were pretty moldy smelling when we bought our boat and we > washed them and let them dry in the basement during one of the early summer > months. The cushions did dry out, but the smell remained, so we just > replaced all them. Now we make sure and take them off during the winter > months unless we're using the boat. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Sun, February 21, 2010 11:36:52 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] How to dry out foam cushions ? > > > > Hi, we left all of our cushions in the cockpit to "AIR OUT" but it rained > and now we have soggy, wet cushions. Is there some technique to dry these > out??? we have tried to wring them out (But that tears the foam)..We have a > "big vacuum" but it sucks holes in foam.... we have a leaf blower? put them > between two sheets of plywood and drive over them?? > any Ideas ??? > > > >

Helen, are these the kind of cushions that have the naughahyde covers? You could have a seamstress put in perimeter zippers, so you could take the rubber foam out. Place them outside in the sun,.or try some of the other suggestions. I did the Santa Barbara to King Harbor Race some years ago, and actually won because of the strong wind conditions that year, wherein the wind didn't crap out at sunset, and blew into the high twenties. (Wooowie what a ride, the poor kids we brought wanted their momma) On the way up from we ran into some gnarly conditions, and tacked up from Channel Islands to S. B. (too rough to use the outboard) getting in at 3 AM., leaving me alone in the cockpit and the crew below in the V berth sea sick and passed out. The next morning, my first mate, an eccentric Brazilian fellow who brought along his two young kids, a daughter of 8 and a son of 6 (he lied to me about their ages) insisted on taking the cushions, which had gotten soaked from breaking waves of sea water leaking in around the lites, out of the boat and laying them on the dock, in the cool, very hazy sun, and to my amazement, it did a fairly good job of drying them out (the bottoms of the cushions were cloth fabric, tops and sides vinyl, in just a couple of hours before we shoved off for the starting line. Cheerz, Jerry --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] How to dry out foam cushions ? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 11:36 AM Hi, we left all of our cushions in the cockpit to "AIR OUT" but it rained and now we have soggy, wet cushions. Is there some technique to dry these out??? we have tried to wring them out (But that tears the foam)..We have a "big vacuum" but it sucks holes in foam.... we have a leaf blower? put them between two sheets of plywood and drive over them?? any Ideas ???

Allen, Nice! I've been looking for something like this on the internet with no luck. Are they like the camping cushions, the cushions used as knee pads, and the ones that can be used for swimming kick boards? Cool! And that Teal color matches my Persian Green sail canvas. Jerry --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] How to dry out foam cushions ? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 2:07 PM If you have to replace them, consider these. They are great and as they are closed foam, they can't get wet.http://www.ccushion s.com/ Mine were custom cut to fit my boat and they even screened my boat name on them to my artwork. Allen On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Frans Sell <franssell@yahoo. com> wrote: Our cushions were pretty moldy smelling when we bought our boat and we washed them and let them dry in the basement during one of the early summer months. The cushions did dry out, but the smell remained, so we just replaced all them. Now we make sure and take them off during the winter months unless we're using the boat. From: Helen Horn <helenhorn@sbcglobal .net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 11:36:52 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] How to dry out foam cushions ? Hi, we left all of our cushions in the cockpit to "AIR OUT" but it rained and now we have soggy, wet cushions. Is there some technique to dry these out??? we have tried to wring them out (But that tears the foam)..We have a "big vacuum" but it sucks holes in foam.... we have a leaf blower? put them between two sheets of plywood and drive over them?? any Ideas ???

You might want to check here, also. http://www.bottomsiders.com/ I have no experience with them, maybe someone else has some info. But they have custom cockpit cushions for most Cal's. Don Trepanier '74 Cal 2-29, Moses Cayuga Lake, NY Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > Allen, > Nice! I've been looking for something like this on the internet with > no luck. Are they like the camping cushions, the cushions used as knee > pads, and the ones that can be used for swimming kick boards? Cool! > And that Teal color matches my Persian Green sail canvas. > Jerry > > --- On *Sun, 2/21/10, Allen Edwards > /<al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>/* wrote: > >

Another option: www.foamreplacement.com/ I haven't used them, cushions are on the list, but not at the top. Don't forget to share your results with us. :) --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Donald <dtrepan1@...> wrote: > > > You might want to check here, also. > > http://www.bottomsiders.com/ > > I have no experience with them, maybe someone else has some info. But > they have custom cockpit cushions for most Cal's. > > Don Trepanier > '74 Cal 2-29, Moses > Cayuga Lake, NY > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > > > > Allen, > > Nice! I've been looking for something like this on the internet with > > no luck. Are they like the camping cushions, the cushions used as knee > > pads, and the ones that can be used for swimming kick boards? Cool! > > And that Teal color matches my Persian Green sail canvas. > > Jerry > > > > --- On *Sun, 2/21/10, Allen Edwards > > /<allen.edwards@...>/* wrote: > > > > >

I would not describe them in any of the ways you list. They are literally a closed cell foam with some vinyl covering. It is like regular form rubber but denser and cannot absorb water. I assume they are dipped in the vinly as it is not a cover like a traditional cushion but more like they are painted on. They are firm and very comfortable. Thinner than other boat cushions but being denser are probably thicker under your body weight. I would say they are closest to the old insolite that backpackers used 20 years ago. The new backpack camping cushions that I see are not the same. Not like any kickboard I have seen. They have held up well. If you get them, be sure to get a couple of the "J" cushions if your boat accommodates them. I wish I had gotten 4 instead of 2. Allen On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Allen, > Nice! I've been looking for something like this on the internet with no > luck. Are they like the camping cushions, the cushions used as knee pads, > and the ones that can be used for swimming kick boards? Cool! And that Teal > color matches my Persian Green sail canvas. > Jerry > > --- On *Sun, 2/21/10, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] How to dry out foam cushions ? > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 2:07 PM > > > > If you have to replace them, consider these. They are great and as they > are closed foam, they can't get wet. > http://www.ccushion s.com/ <http://www.ccushions.com/> > > Mine were custom cut to fit my boat and they even screened my boat name on > them to my artwork. > > <http://www.ccushions.com/>Allen > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Frans Sell <franssell@yahoo. com<http://mc/compose?to=fr… [at] yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> >> >> Our cushions were pretty moldy smelling when we bought our boat and we >> washed them and let them dry in the basement during one of the early summer >> months. The cushions did dry out, but the smell remained, so we just >> replaced all them. Now we make sure and take them off during the winter >> months unless we're using the boat. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Helen Horn <helenhorn@sbcglobal .net<http://mc/compose?to=he… [at] sbcglobal.net> >> > >> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Sun, February 21, 2010 11:36:52 AM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] How to dry out foam cushions ? >> >> >> >> Hi, we left all of our cushions in the cockpit to "AIR OUT" but it rained >> and now we have soggy, wet cushions. Is there some technique to dry these >> out??? we have tried to wring them out (But that tears the foam)..We have a >> "big vacuum" but it sucks holes in foam.... we have a leaf blower? put them >> between two sheets of plywood and drive over them?? >> any Ideas ??? >> >> >> > >

Mine were wet and moldy smelling. I tried washing them (foam out of the covers) with soapy water, spraying them with bleach/water 20/80 mix and leaving them out in 100 degree weather (Sacramento) to dry. I did this several times before buying new foam. The covers got the same treatment but could not shake the smell. If you can get them dry before mold/mildew sets in I think you stand a chance of saving them. Mike To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: he… [at] sbcglobal.net Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:36:52 -0800 Subject: [Cal_Boats] How to dry out foam cushions ? Hi, we left all of our cushions in the cockpit to "AIR OUT" but it rained and now we have soggy, wet cushions. Is there some technique to dry these out??? we have tried to wring them out (But that tears the foam)..We have a "big vacuum" but it sucks holes in foam.... we have a leaf blower? put them between two sheets of plywood and drive over them?? any Ideas ??? Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/

One thing to consider, the marketing material reads vinyl covered which can get very hot and sticky pending on the temperatures that you sail in. An alternative solution is to use closed cell foam (typically comes in 8 foot sheets from 1/4 to 1" thick. Use a hot knife or heated piece of copper wire to cut the foam in to the needed shape. Then either stitch up yourself or out source the sewing of a cover made of the material of choice. Sunbrella type materials work great in this application, and it wont cost you 35 dollars per square foot. A good seamstress is worth her weight in gold however...:) Another option that is not custom is from Blue Performance, these are multi-use cushions that are very comfortable. http://www.blueperformance.com/pages/product_details.html?../images/products/flaties.jpg Best and thanks Chris H.

thanks I'll try Johns suggestion 1st (I have HD shopvac onboard) the NEW foam is not in budget but would be NICE ... thank ed&helen 1967 cal 36 (Luxury Leftover) (formally FIJI) "CALALILLEY" From: Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> To: Cal boats List <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 4:31:37 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] How to dry out foam cushions ? Mine were wet and moldy smelling. I tried washing them (foam out of the covers) with soapy water, spraying them with bleach/water 20/80 mix and leaving them out in 100 degree weather (Sacramento) to dry. I did this several times before buying new foam. The covers got the same treatment but could not shake the smell. If you can get them dry before mold/mildew sets in I think you stand a chance of saving them. Mike To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: helenhorn@sbcglobal .net Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:36:52 -0800 Subject: [Cal_Boats] How to dry out foam cushions ? Hi, we left all of our cushions in the cockpit to "AIR OUT" but it rained and now we have soggy, wet cushions. Is there some technique to dry these out??? we have tried to wring them out (But that tears the foam)..We have a "big vacuum" but it sucks holes in foam.... we have a leaf blower? put them between two sheets of plywood and drive over them?? any Ideas ??? Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.

I have used a dehumidifier in a small area. In the boat? Bathroom at home? Chuck --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] How to dry out foam cushions ? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 7:11 PM thanks I'll try Johns suggestion 1st (I have HD shopvac onboard) the NEW foam is not in budget but would be NICE ... thank ed&helen 1967 cal 36 (Luxury Leftover) (formally FIJI) "CALALILLEY" From: Michael Robinson <mikesrobinson@ hotmail.com> To: Cal boats List <cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 4:31:37 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] How to dry out foam cushions ? Mine were wet and moldy smelling. I tried washing them (foam out of the covers) with soapy water, spraying them with bleach/water 20/80 mix and leaving them out in 100 degree weather (Sacramento) to dry. I did this several times before buying new foam. The covers got the same treatment but could not shake the smell. If you can get them dry before mold/mildew sets in I think you stand a chance of saving them. Mike To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: helenhorn@sbcglobal .net Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:36:52 -0800 Subject: [Cal_Boats] How to dry out foam cushions ? Hi, we left all of our cushions in the cockpit to "AIR OUT" but it rained and now we have soggy, wet cushions. Is there some technique to dry these out??? we have tried to wring them out (But that tears the foam)..We have a "big vacuum" but it sucks holes in foam.... we have a leaf blower? put them between two sheets of plywood and drive over them?? any Ideas ??? Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.

Helen Horn wrote: > > > Hi, we left all of our cushions in the cockpit to "AIR OUT" but it > rained and now we have soggy, wet cushions. Is there some technique to > dry these out??? we have tried to wring them out (But that tears the > foam)..We have a "big vacuum" but it sucks holes in foam.... I just read the other responses, and maybe it's worth adding that if the foam can't stand wringing or vacuuming, it's likely due for replacement anyway. Most cushion covers are made with one final seam that's sewn from the outside, usually along the back on the bottom where it's least visible. You could rip open that seam and take the foam out, and them let it sit in the sun. But if the original foam is tearing so readily, maybe even inexpensive replacement foam would be superior. Chris Campbell