Chesapeake March Weather

As I recall, somebody (Chris H?) asked about March weather in the Chesapeake Bay. I will be careful to say "average" instead of the weatherman's word "normal". Today was typical. Breezy from the Northwest. On average, we get a lot of highs this time of year which produces north to west winds and it is quite often sunny. Good stuff for runs down the Bay. Since the water is cold, the breezes get chilled even more as they cross the water. Definitely cooler out on the water. You can feel toasty at the dock, and get a real chill on the water. Temps will gradually rise, with a chance to have at least several days in the 60s. Water levels depend on a couple factors. The northwesterlies tend to drain the Bay, but with all the snow melt, the Susquehanna will be providing a lot of water. Don't know which effect will win out. The information contained in this document carries no warranty, written or implied. Cheers Charlie

Greetings Charles: Thanks for the synopsis, advice and encouragement. Looking at the mean historical record for March on weather.com it looks like March is also the wettest month of the year. So Ive decided to head home as soon as the boat repairs are done and the boat prep'd for the next leg. Will be back in the first or second week of April to continue on. Its been a hard winter, I'm tired, miss my friends and looking forward to a few weeks of R&R. The community here has been great, and cant say enough good things about the region and areas Ive explored by car. Even made the local paper..:) Hope to make it to Annapolis again when I return to have a few pints with yourself, Charles and others in the area. Tomorrow the parts arrive and if all goes well it should take a day to complete and test. One day to prep the boat, and then wait for the weather window to clear around Buffalo and upper NY State to get me butt back into Canada. Ahh....a Tim Horton's coffee is what I miss most. Chris H.

Of course, not including the 1-3 inches we expect tonight and tomorrow...... I am so sick of it...loooking to splash this month and have lots to do! Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 8:33:05 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather As I recall, somebody (Chris H?) asked about March weather in the Chesapeake Bay. I will be careful to say "average" instead of the weatherman's word "normal". Today was typical. Breezy from the Northwest. On average, we get a lot of highs this time of year which produces north to west winds and it is quite often sunny. Good stuff for runs down the Bay. Since the water is cold, the breezes get chilled even more as they cross the water. Definitely cooler out on the water. You can feel toasty at the dock, and get a real chill on the water. Temps will gradually rise, with a chance to have at least several days in the 60s. Water levels depend on a couple factors. The northwesterlies tend to drain the Bay, but with all the snow melt, the Susquehanna will be providing a lot of water. Don't know which effect will win out. The information contained in this document carries no warranty, written or implied. Cheers Charlie

Let us know, Chris.....we look forward to it. Fair Winds.... Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 10:12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather Greetings Charles: Thanks for the synopsis, advice and encouragement. Looking at the mean historical record for March on weather.com it looks like March is also the wettest month of the year. So Ive decided to head home as soon as the boat repairs are done and the boat prep'd for the next leg. Will be back in the first or second week of April to continue on. Its been a hard winter, I'm tired, miss my friends and looking forward to a few weeks of R&R. The community here has been great, and cant say enough good things about the region and areas Ive explored by car. Even made the local paper..:) Hope to make it to Annapolis again when I return to have a few pints with yourself, Charles and others in the area. Tomorrow the parts arrive and if all goes well it should take a day to complete and test. One day to prep the boat, and then wait for the weather window to clear around Buffalo and upper NY State to get me butt back into Canada. Ahh....a Tim Horton's coffee is what I miss most. Chris H.

Thanks Charles; On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Charles Strasburger < bo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Let us know, Chris.....we look forward to it. > > Fair Winds.... > > Charles > S/V Boomerang! > 1980 Cal 39, Mark II > St Michaels, MD > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Mon, March 1, 2010 10:12:28 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather > > > > Greetings Charles: > > Thanks for the synopsis, advice and encouragement. Looking at the mean > historical record for March on weather.com it looks like March is also > the wettest month of the year. So Ive decided to head home as soon as > the boat repairs are done and the boat prep'd for the next leg. Will > be back in the first or second week of April to continue on. Its been > a hard winter, I'm tired, miss my friends and looking forward to a few > weeks of R&R. The community here has been great, and cant say enough > good things about the region and areas Ive explored by car. Even made > the local paper..:) > > Hope to make it to Annapolis again when I return to have a few pints > with yourself, Charles and others in the area. Tomorrow the parts > arrive and if all goes well it should take a day to complete and test. > One day to prep the boat, and then wait for the weather window to > clear around Buffalo and upper NY State to get me butt back into > Canada. Ahh....a Tim Horton's coffee is what I miss most. > > Chris H. > > > -- /ch

I second Charles comments about the snow. However, I broke down and spent $1100 on a snow blower (which had to come out of the boat budget.) We got 55 inches in two different storms in one week up here in northwest Baltimore county. (85 inches for the year) As of 1 March I still had10 inches on the north side of my house where the drive way is. Just used the blower on Sunday to clear off a parking area. The thing is on treads, has an electric start, heated hand grips, headlight, 6 forward speeds, 2 reverse speeds. 26 inches wide and 21 inches high snow gathering area on the front. Remote handle to elevate and point the blower outflow chute.. Oh Sorry, I forgot, this is a sailing site, I will shut up Darr _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Strasburger Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:36 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather Of course, not including the 1-3 inches we expect tonight and tomorrow...... I am so sick of it...loooking to splash this month and have lots to do! Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD _____ From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 8:33:05 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather As I recall, somebody (Chris H?) asked about March weather in the Chesapeake Bay. I will be careful to say "average" instead of the weatherman's word "normal". Today was typical. Breezy from the Northwest. On average, we get a lot of highs this time of year which produces north to west winds and it is quite often sunny. Good stuff for runs down the Bay. Since the water is cold, the breezes get chilled even more as they cross the water. Definitely cooler out on the water. You can feel toasty at the dock, and get a real chill on the water. Temps will gradually rise, with a chance to have at least several days in the 60s. Water levels depend on a couple factors. The northwesterlies tend to drain the Bay, but with all the snow melt, the Susquehanna will be providing a lot of water. Don't know which effect will win out. The information contained in this document carries no warranty, written or implied. Cheers Charlie

a love affair with a snow blower????? be cautious. mine left me visiting the emergency room for stitches in my face and re-attaching amajor portion of my tongue. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: da… [at] verizon.net Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:00:39 -0500 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather I second Charles comments about the snow. However, I broke down and spent $1100 on a snow blower (which had to come out of the boat budget.) We got 55 inches in two different storms in one week up here in northwest Baltimore county. (85 inches for the year) As of 1 March I still had10 inches on the north side of my house where the drive way is. Just used the blower on Sunday to clear off a parking area. The thing is on treads, has an electric start, heated hand grips, headlight, 6 forward speeds, 2 reverse speeds. 26 inches wide and 21 inches high snow gathering area on the front. Remote handle to elevate and point the blower outflow chute…. Oh Sorry, I forgot, this is a sailing site, I will shut up Darr From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Strasburger Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:36 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather Of course, not including the 1-3 inches we expect tonight and tomorrow...... I am so sick of it...loooking to splash this month and have lots to do! Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 8:33:05 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather As I recall, somebody (Chris H?) asked about March weather in the Chesapeake Bay. I will be careful to say "average" instead of the weatherman's word "normal". Today was typical. Breezy from the Northwest. On average, we get a lot of highs this time of year which produces north to west winds and it is quite often sunny. Good stuff for runs down the Bay. Since the water is cold, the breezes get chilled even more as they cross the water. Definitely cooler out on the water. You can feel toasty at the dock, and get a real chill on the water. Temps will gradually rise, with a chance to have at least several days in the 60s. Water levels depend on a couple factors. The northwesterlies tend to drain the Bay, but with all the snow melt, the Susquehanna will be providing a lot of water. Don't know which effect will win out. The information contained in this document carries no warranty, written or implied. Cheers Charlie

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Darr LaFon <da… [at] verizon.net> wrote: > > Oh Sorry, > > > > I forgot, this is a sailing site, > > > You forgot to mention that you can use it to get to your boat....(sailing content updated) Best and enjoy. At home everyone has one and the guys who do maintenance on these make a killing. May I respectfully suggest that you study the manual as engine maintenance on these things is critical and everyone does it in the fall. The trick is to do it in the spring when the shops are slow, rates are low, and its good to go when the first snows fly. Nice model all the toys ah. /ch

everywhere I go I'm told NEVER use any alcohol enhanced gasoline in small engines. All the repair facilities say that causes the majority of their repair business. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ch… [at] gmail.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:28:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Darr LaFon <da… [at] verizon.net> wrote: Oh Sorry, I forgot, this is a sailing site, You forgot to mention that you can use it to get to your boat....(sailing content updated) Best and enjoy. At home everyone has one and the guys who do maintenance on these make a killing. May I respectfully suggest that you study the manual as engine maintenance on these things is critical and everyone does it in the fall. The trick is to do it in the spring when the shops are slow, rates are low, and its good to go when the first snows fly. Nice model all the toys ah. /ch

Can I make a misguided comment? I believe the snow wowz you folks are experiencing are due to the movement of the jet stream to lower latitudes during the current El Nino conditions in the Pacific Ocean (that's the left coast). When this situation subsides snow will return to the North (they had to truck the white stuff to the Olympic venues). Would it have made sense to hire some unemployed with shovels to take care of the situation rather than buying an expensive piece of equipment that will need lots of maintenance and possibly not be needed again any time in the near future? On the other hand, if the Gulf Stream slows or shuts down due to Greenland ice cap melting, who knows what the climate will be? Might need a new storm jib or a second or third reef in the Mains'l. And you can sell the new snow blower for a profit to snow bound English and French...unless they opt for the shovel solution. Anyway, my sympathies, with my aching back, shoveling snow like I used to do as a young'un growing up in New Jersey (we had a 180'driveway on the Victorian home my family rehab'd into a two family) isn't an option for me anymore. Oye! Jerry --- On Thu, 3/4/10, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 8:28 AM On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Darr LaFon <darrlafon1@verizon. net> wrote: Oh Sorry, I forgot, this is a sailing site, You forgot to mention that you can use it to get to your boat....(sailing content updated) Best and enjoy. At home everyone has one and the guys who do maintenance on these make a killing. May I respectfully suggest that you study the manual as engine maintenance on these things is critical and everyone does it in the fall. The trick is to do it in the spring when the shops are slow, rates are low, and its good to go when the first snows fly. Nice model all the toys ah. /ch

Reg, it seems that ALL the gas these days is encahol alhanced, including the drivers. Where do you find pure gasoline? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:43 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March Weather) everywhere I go I'm told NEVER use any alcohol enhanced gasoline in small engines. All the repair facilities say that causes the majority of their repair business. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ch… [at] gmail.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:28:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Darr LaFon <da… [at] verizon.net<mailto:da… [at] verizon.net>> wrote: Oh Sorry, I forgot, this is a sailing site, You forgot to mention that you can use it to get to your boat....(sailing content updated) Best and enjoy. At home everyone has one and the guys who do maintenance on these make a killing. May I respectfully suggest that you study the manual as engine maintenance on these things is critical and everyone does it in the fall. The trick is to do it in the spring when the shops are slow, rates are low, and its good to go when the first snows fly. Nice model all the toys ah. /ch

On Mar 4, 2010, at 9:39 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > Reg, it seems that ALL the gas these days is encahol alhanced, > including the drivers. Where do you find pure gasoline? I don't know but the alcohol plays hell with carburetors in small engines. One way to minimize it is to run the engine with the fuel shut off until it stops each time it is to be left for any time. This affects chain saws, weed whackers and outboards. If anybody knows how to get alcohol out, it would be a boon. White gas for Coleman lanterns and stoves doesn't have it but the octane rating is really low. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > Cheers > Charlie > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of r good > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:43 AM > To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March > Weather) > > everywhere I go I'm told NEVER use any alcohol enhanced gasoline in > small engines. All the repair facilities say that causes the > majority of their repair business. > Reggie > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: ch… [at] gmail.com > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:28:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Darr LaFon <da… [at] verizon.net> > wrote: > > Oh Sorry, > > > I forgot, this is a sailing site, > > > You forgot to mention that you can use it to get to your boat.... > (sailing content updated) > > Best and enjoy. At home everyone has one and the guys who do > maintenance on these make a killing. May I respectfully suggest that > you study the manual as engine maintenance on these things is > critical and everyone does it in the fall. The trick is to do it in > the spring when the shops are slow, rates are low, and its good to > go when the first snows fly. Nice model all the toys ah. > > /ch > > >

I'm told the Premium fuel at most stations does not have alcohol added. check it out. Reggie > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: mt… [at] cox.net > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:25:08 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March Weather) > > > On Mar 4, 2010, at 9:39 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > > > > Reg, it seems that ALL the gas these days is encahol alhanced, > > including the drivers. Where do you find pure gasoline? > > I don't know but the alcohol plays hell with carburetors in small > engines. One way to minimize it is to run the engine with the fuel > shut off until it stops each time it is to be left for any time. This > affects chain saws, weed whackers and outboards. If anybody knows how > to get alcohol out, it would be a boon. White gas for Coleman lanterns > and stoves doesn't have it but the octane rating is really low. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of r good > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:43 AM > > To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March > > Weather) > > > > everywhere I go I'm told NEVER use any alcohol enhanced gasoline in > > small engines. All the repair facilities say that causes the > > majority of their repair business. > > Reggie > > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > From: ch… [at] gmail.com > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:28:06 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Darr LaFon <da… [at] verizon.net> > > wrote: > > > > Oh Sorry, > > > > > > I forgot, this is a sailing site, > > > > > > You forgot to mention that you can use it to get to your boat.... > > (sailing content updated) > > > > Best and enjoy. At home everyone has one and the guys who do > > maintenance on these make a killing. May I respectfully suggest that > > you study the manual as engine maintenance on these things is > > critical and everyone does it in the fall. The trick is to do it in > > the spring when the shops are slow, rates are low, and its good to > > go when the first snows fly. Nice model all the toys ah. > > > > /ch > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

in addition to checking out the Premium grade of fuel at your local stations, there may be stations which offer options. in my small home town, there are only 2 stations. One is completely alcohol free....in all grades of their fuel. Curiosity: what about aviation fuel? and don't some marine fuel dealers supply only non' alcohonenated fuel? Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: hu… [at] bah.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:39:44 -0500 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March Weather) Reg, it seems that ALL the gas these days is encahol alhanced, including the drivers. Where do you find pure gasoline? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:43 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March Weather) everywhere I go I'm told NEVER use any alcohol enhanced gasoline in small engines. All the repair facilities say that causes the majority of their repair business. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ch… [at] gmail.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:28:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Darr LaFon <da… [at] verizon.net> wrote: Oh Sorry, I forgot, this is a sailing site, You forgot to mention that you can use it to get to your boat....(sailing content updated) Best and enjoy. At home everyone has one and the guys who do maintenance on these make a killing. May I respectfully suggest that you study the manual as engine maintenance on these things is critical and everyone does it in the fall. The trick is to do it in the spring when the shops are slow, rates are low, and its good to go when the first snows fly. Nice model all the toys ah. /ch

I've got a bug in my rear about ethanol too! I've been doing extensive highway traveling in the southeast lately and after 6000 miles, I've plugged in the fuel stats into my spreadsheet. Running on Supreme costs me 12.6 cents/mile, Regular is 12.5 Cents/mile and Regular w/Ethanol (10%) costs me 14.8 Cents/mile. I drive a Ford Windstar with a 3.8l V6 and usually get 21 mpg highway but with the ethanol it is a little more than 18 mpg! I noticed this a few years ago while driving my old Ranger. The fuel then was cheaper at the pump but cost me more per month due to the increase in the rate of fill-ups. If we were helping out the environment or even the local farmers, I would be all for it. Instead it is a huge handout for big agribusiness that benefits no one except the agribusiness and, possibly, the pockets of lobbyists and representatives that forced this travesty upon an ill informed populace. I have had issues with it ruining tanks of outboard fuel that have sat for 6 months without being used. I have to dispose of this waste gas too which is a pain in the butt. OK. I'm off my soap box. Mike On 3/4/2010 1:43 PM, r good wrote: > > > in addition to checking out the Premium grade of fuel at your local > stations, there may be stations which offer options. in my small home > town, there are only 2 stations. One is completely alcohol free....in > all grades of their fuel. > > Curiosity: what about aviation fuel? and don't some marine fuel > dealers supply only non' alcohonenated fuel? > > Reggie > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: hu… [at] bah.com > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:39:44 -0500 > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March Weather) > > > Reg, it seems that ALL the gas these days is encahol alhanced, > including the drivers. Where do you find pure gasoline? > > Cheers > Charlie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *r good > *Sent:* Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:43 AM > *To:* ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March > Weather) > > everywhere I go I'm told NEVER use any alcohol enhanced gasoline in > small engines. All the repair facilities say that causes the majority > of their repair business. > Reggie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: ch… [at] gmail.com > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:28:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Darr LaFon <da… [at] verizon.net > <mailto:da… [at] verizon.net>> wrote: > > > Oh Sorry, > > > > I forgot, this is a sailing site, > > > > You forgot to mention that you can use it to get to your > boat....(sailing content updated) > > Best and enjoy. At home everyone has one and the guys who do > maintenance on these make a killing. May I respectfully suggest that > you study the manual as engine maintenance on these things is critical > and everyone does it in the fall. The trick is to do it in the spring > when the shops are slow, rates are low, and its good to go when the > first snows fly. Nice model all the toys ah. > > /ch > > >

but doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy? reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: mi… [at] wahini.org Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 16:40:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March Weather) I've got a bug in my rear about ethanol too! I've been doing extensive highway traveling in the southeast lately and after 6000 miles, I've plugged in the fuel stats into my spreadsheet. Running on Supreme costs me 12.6 cents/mile, Regular is 12.5 Cents/mile and Regular w/Ethanol (10%) costs me 14.8 Cents/mile. I drive a Ford Windstar with a 3.8l V6 and usually get 21 mpg highway but with the ethanol it is a little more than 18 mpg! I noticed this a few years ago while driving my old Ranger. The fuel then was cheaper at the pump but cost me more per month due to the increase in the rate of fill-ups. If we were helping out the environment or even the local farmers, I would be all for it. Instead it is a huge handout for big agribusiness that benefits no one except the agribusiness and, possibly, the pockets of lobbyists and representatives that forced this travesty upon an ill informed populace. I have had issues with it ruining tanks of outboard fuel that have sat for 6 months without being used. I have to dispose of this waste gas too which is a pain in the butt. OK. I'm off my soap box. Mike On 3/4/2010 1:43 PM, r good wrote: in addition to checking out the Premium grade of fuel at your local stations, there may be stations which offer options. in my small home town, there are only 2 stations. One is completely alcohol free....in all grades of their fuel. Curiosity: what about aviation fuel? and don't some marine fuel dealers supply only non' alcohonenated fuel? Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: hu… [at] bah.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:39:44 -0500 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March Weather) Reg, it seems that ALL the gas these days is encahol alhanced, including the drivers. Where do you find pure gasoline? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:43 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March Weather) everywhere I go I'm told NEVER use any alcohol enhanced gasoline in small engines. All the repair facilities say that causes the majority of their repair business. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ch… [at] gmail.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:28:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Darr LaFon <da… [at] verizon.net> wrote: Oh Sorry, I forgot, this is a sailing site, You forgot to mention that you can use it to get to your boat....(sailing content updated) Best and enjoy. At home everyone has one and the guys who do maintenance on these make a killing. May I respectfully suggest that you study the manual as engine maintenance on these things is critical and everyone does it in the fall. The trick is to do it in the spring when the shops are slow, rates are low, and its good to go when the first snows fly. Nice model all the toys ah. /ch

Only after a few shots of rum. On 3/4/2010 5:35 PM, r good wrote: > > > but doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy? > reggie > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: mi… [at] wahini.org > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 16:40:58 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March Weather) > > > I've got a bug in my rear about ethanol too! I've been doing extensive > highway traveling in the southeast lately and after 6000 miles, I've > plugged in the fuel stats into my spreadsheet. Running on Supreme > costs me 12.6 cents/mile, Regular is 12.5 Cents/mile and Regular > w/Ethanol (10%) costs me 14.8 Cents/mile. I drive a Ford Windstar with > a 3.8l V6 and usually get 21 mpg highway but with the ethanol it is a > little more than 18 mpg! I noticed this a few years ago while driving > my old Ranger. The fuel then was cheaper at the pump but cost me more > per month due to the increase in the rate of fill-ups. > If we were helping out the environment or even the local farmers, I > would be all for it. Instead it is a huge handout for big agribusiness > that benefits no one except the agribusiness and, possibly, the > pockets of lobbyists and representatives that forced this travesty > upon an ill informed populace. I have had issues with it ruining > tanks of outboard fuel that have sat for 6 months without being used. > I have to dispose of this waste gas too which is a pain in the butt. > OK. I'm off my soap box. > Mike > > On 3/4/2010 1:43 PM, r good wrote: > > > > in addition to checking out the Premium grade of fuel at your > local stations, there may be stations which offer options. in my > small home town, there are only 2 stations. One is completely > alcohol free....in all grades of their fuel. > > Curiosity: what about aviation fuel? and don't some marine fuel > dealers supply only non' alcohonenated fuel? > > Reggie > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: hu… [at] bah.com > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:39:44 -0500 > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March > Weather) > > > Reg, it seems that ALL the gas these days is encahol alhanced, > including the drivers. Where do you find pure gasoline? > > Cheers > Charlie > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *r good > *Sent:* Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:43 AM > *To:* ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake > March Weather) > > everywhere I go I'm told NEVER use any alcohol enhanced gasoline > in small engines. All the repair facilities say that causes the > majority of their repair business. > Reggie > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: ch… [at] gmail.com > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:28:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Darr LaFon > <da… [at] verizon.net <mailto:da… [at] verizon.net>> wrote: > > > Oh Sorry, > > > > I forgot, this is a sailing site, > > > > You forgot to mention that you can use it to get to your > boat....(sailing content updated) > > Best and enjoy. At home everyone has one and the guys who do > maintenance on these make a killing. May I respectfully suggest > that you study the manual as engine maintenance on these things is > critical and everyone does it in the fall. The trick is to do it > in the spring when the shops are slow, rates are low, and its good > to go when the first snows fly. Nice model all the toys ah. > > /ch > > > > >

On Mar 4, 2010, at 1:40 PM, mike wrote: > I've got a bug in my rear about ethanol too! I've been doing > extensive highway traveling in the southeast lately and after 6000 > miles, I've plugged in the fuel stats into my spreadsheet. Running > on Supreme costs me 12.6 cents/mile, Regular is 12.5 Cents/mile and > Regular w/Ethanol (10%) costs me 14.8 Cents/mile. I drive a Ford > Windstar with a 3.8l V6 and usually get 21 mpg highway but with the > ethanol it is a little more than 18 mpg! I noticed this a few years > ago while driving my old Ranger. The fuel then was cheaper at the > pump but cost me more per month due to the increase in the rate of > fill-ups. > If we were helping out the environment or even the local farmers, I > would be all for it. Instead it is a huge handout for big > agribusiness that benefits no one except the agribusiness and, > possibly, the pockets of lobbyists and representatives that forced > this travesty upon an ill informed populace. I have had issues with > it ruining tanks of outboard fuel that have sat for 6 months > without being used. I have to dispose of this waste gas too which > is a pain in the butt. > OK. I'm off my soap box. > I'll take your place. I took my chain saw and weed whacker into the repair shop and the guy told me that's all he does is repair and replace carburetors for small engines. It's been good for his business. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > Mike > > On 3/4/2010 1:43 PM, r good wrote: > >> >> in addition to checking out the Premium grade of fuel at your local >> stations, there may be stations which offer options. in my small >> home town, there are only 2 stations. One is completely alcohol >> free....in all grades of their fuel. >> >> Curiosity: what about aviation fuel? and don't some marine fuel >> dealers supply only non' alcohonenated fuel? >> >> Reggie >> >> >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> From: hu… [at] bah.com >> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:39:44 -0500 >> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March >> Weather) >> >> >> Reg, it seems that ALL the gas these days is encahol alhanced, >> including the drivers. Where do you find pure gasoline? >> >> Cheers >> Charlie >> >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] >> On Behalf Of r good >> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:43 AM >> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March >> Weather) >> >> everywhere I go I'm told NEVER use any alcohol enhanced gasoline in >> small engines. All the repair facilities say that causes the >> majority of their repair business. >> Reggie >> >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> From: ch… [at] gmail.com >> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:28:06 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Darr LaFon >> <da… [at] verizon.net> wrote: >> >> Oh Sorry, >> >> >> >> I forgot, this is a sailing site, >> >> >> You forgot to mention that you can use it to get to your boat.... >> (sailing content updated) >> >> Best and enjoy. At home everyone has one and the guys who do >> maintenance on these make a killing. May I respectfully suggest >> that you study the manual as engine maintenance on these things is >> critical and everyone does it in the fall. The trick is to do it in >> the spring when the shops are slow, rates are low, and its good to >> go when the first snows fly. Nice model all the toys ah. >> >> /ch >> >> > > >

If you want to spend the money, check your local speed shops for gear heads. You should be able to find a non-alcohol, non-leaded, hi octane race gas. Be prepared to spend 5-10 bucks per gallon. But hey, 2 gal should last you a season, right? YMMV JOhn From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:44 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March Weather) in addition to checking out the Premium grade of fuel at your local stations, there may be stations which offer options. in my small home town, there are only 2 stations. One is completely alcohol free....in all grades of their fuel. Curiosity: what about aviation fuel? and don't some marine fuel dealers supply only non' alcohonenated fuel? Reggie

Most autos with EFI adjust the fuel flow based on the oxygen sensors in the exhaust system. Your mechanic can tune the engine to run best with the fuel in the tank. Higher octane fuel will require a little more advance on the ignition, taking advantage of the longer burn of the fuel. Running supreme in a car tuned for regular will waste $$, running the low octane in a car tuned for higher octane waste fuel. If you tune your car properly for the "high test" expect engine temps to be a little higher, especially in the summer. Eliminating the A4 in sailboats in favor of the diesel engine removed the operator one or two steps from self reliance (IMNSHO) TYMLL John From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:41 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March Weather) I've got a bug in my rear about ethanol too! I've been doing extensive highway traveling in the southeast lately and after 6000 miles, I've plugged in the fuel stats into my spreadsheet. Running on Supreme costs me 12.6 cents/mile, Regular is 12.5 Cents/mile and Regular w/Ethanol (10%) costs me 14.8 Cents/mile. I drive a Ford Windstar with a 3.8l V6 and usually get 21 mpg highway but with the ethanol it is a little more than 18 mpg! I noticed this a few years ago while driving my old Ranger. The fuel then was cheaper at the pump but cost me more per month due to the increase in the rate of fill-ups. If we were helping out the environment or even the local farmers, I would be all for it. Instead it is a huge handout for big agribusiness that benefits no one except the agribusiness and, possibly, the pockets of lobbyists and representatives that forced this travesty upon an ill informed populace. I have had issues with it ruining tanks of outboard fuel that have sat for 6 months without being used. I have to dispose of this waste gas too which is a pain in the butt. OK. I'm off my soap box. Mike On 3/4/2010 1:43 PM, r good wrote:

Airfields are a good source of non-ethanol fuels and you don't need the octane of racing fuels. Hit up your local airfield. I did go thru 5 gallons last year but we had a couple of calm days I just idled around the lake. Kevin john raxter wrote: > > If you want to spend the money, check your local speed shops for gear > heads. You should be able to find a non-alcohol, non-leaded, hi octane > race gas. Be prepared to spend 5-10 bucks per gallon. But hey, 2 gal > should last you a season, right? > > YMMV > > JOhn > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *r good > *Sent:* Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:44 PM > *To:* ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March > Weather) > > in addition to checking out the Premium grade of fuel at your local > stations, there may be stations which offer options. in my small home > town, there are only 2 stations. One is completely alcohol free....in > all grades of their fuel. > > Curiosity: what about aviation fuel? and don't some marine fuel > dealers supply only non' alcohonenated fuel? > > Reggie > >

Thanks, Folks. I thought those cute little "enhanced" stickers applied to all grades. Maybe they should replace "enhanced" with "stultified". At least I run my outboards dry before I put them away - and I don't have a snow blower to worry about, just a lot of snow. The piles are gradually fading from Himalayan to Appalachian dimensions. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:37 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March Weather) I'm told the Premium fuel at most stations does not have alcohol added. check it out. Reggie > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: mt… [at] cox.net > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:25:08 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March Weather) > > > On Mar 4, 2010, at 9:39 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > > > > Reg, it seems that ALL the gas these days is encahol alhanced, > > including the drivers. Where do you find pure gasoline? > > I don't know but the alcohol plays hell with carburetors in small > engines. One way to minimize it is to run the engine with the fuel > shut off until it stops each time it is to be left for any time. This > affects chain saws, weed whackers and outboards. If anybody knows how > to get alcohol out, it would be a boon. White gas for Coleman lanterns > and stoves doesn't have it but the octane rating is really low. > > Mike Kennedy > Conquest Cal 40 # 96 > > > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of r good > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:43 AM > > To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March > > Weather) > > > > everywhere I go I'm told NEVER use any alcohol enhanced gasoline in > > small engines. All the repair facilities say that causes the > > majority of their repair business. > > Reggie > > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > From: ch… [at] gmail.com > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:28:06 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Darr LaFon <da… [at] verizon.net> > > wrote: > > > > Oh Sorry, > > > > > > I forgot, this is a sailing site, > > > > > > You forgot to mention that you can use it to get to your boat.... > > (sailing content updated) > > > > Best and enjoy. At home everyone has one and the guys who do > > maintenance on these make a killing. May I respectfully suggest that > > you study the manual as engine maintenance on these things is > > critical and everyone does it in the fall. The trick is to do it in > > the spring when the shops are slow, rates are low, and its good to > > go when the first snows fly. Nice model all the toys ah. > > > > /ch > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Guys, I have an A4 engine, and it has been burning ethenol for a number of years. This is a flathead 4 cylinder, basic engine. It starts every spring and runs fine all season. It would probably burn anything close to gasoline. Put fuel stabilizer in, winterize it properly, and go from there. If you think you need aircraft fuel for your A4 go ahead and spend the money, but you'd probably get a better return by buying a lottery ticket. Regards, David Dobbs, Cal29 411 --- On Thu, 3/4/10, Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> wrote: From: Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] alternative fuels To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 7:46 PM Airfields are a good source of non-ethanol fuels and you don't need the octane of racing fuels. Hit up your local airfield. I did go thru 5 gallons last year but we had a couple of calm days I just idled around the lake. Kevin john raxter wrote: > > If you want to spend the money, check your local speed shops for gear > heads. You should be able to find a non-alcohol, non-leaded, hi octane > race gas. Be prepared to spend 5-10 bucks per gallon. But hey, 2 gal > should last you a season, right? > > YMMV > > JOhn > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *r good > *Sent:* Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:44 PM > *To:* ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March > Weather) > > in addition to checking out the Premium grade of fuel at your local > stations, there may be stations which offer options. in my small home > town, there are only 2 stations. One is completely alcohol free....in > all grades of their fuel. > > Curiosity: what about aviation fuel? and don't some marine fuel > dealers supply only non' alcohonenated fuel? > > Reggie > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

I've also read, from the weed whacker manufacturer, that the E10 can cause the fuel oil mixture to burn lean in a 2 cycle as it ages. Supposedly the cylinder will look like it's been run without oil. The stuff has a short shelf life, but even shorter in a 2 cycle. I'm not sure if it's just the really small engines or if effects outboards as well. Take it for what's it worth. I would still consider it hearsay, but at least something to think about. Bob Ellison

Just thinking about avoiding ethanol. Likes water. Will bond with water. will evaporate. will leave water in bottom of fuel tank. bad things happen then. Fine for vehicles that use it and keep it fresh. I don't like the idea of it sitting for so long where it will crud up. I've seen the negative effect it has on efficiency with my cars and truck. Kevin david dobbs wrote: > > > Guys, > I have an A4 engine, and it has been burning ethenol for a number of > years. This is a flathead 4 cylinder, basic engine. It starts every > spring and runs fine all season. It would probably burn anything > close to gasoline. Put fuel stabilizer in, winterize it properly, and > go from there. If you think you need aircraft fuel for your A4 go > ahead and spend the money, but you'd probably get a better return by > buying a lottery ticket. > Regards, > David Dobbs, > Cal29 411 > > > --- On *Thu, 3/4/10, Kevin Swart /<kg… [at] earthlink.net>/* wrote: > > > From: Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] alternative fuels > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 7:46 PM > > Airfields are a good source of non-ethanol fuels and you don't > need the > octane of racing fuels. Hit up your local airfield. I did go thru 5 > gallons last year but we had a couple of calm days I just idled > around > the lake. > > Kevin > > j > > >

it always mde me chuckle to watch someone buy 20 gallons of E10, then add 12 ounces of HEET to keep the fuel line from freezing in the winter. Reggie > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: bo… [at] adelphia.net > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 22:35:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March Weather) > > I've also read, from the weed whacker manufacturer, that the E10 can cause > the fuel oil mixture to burn lean in a 2 cycle as it ages. Supposedly the > cylinder will look like it's been run without oil. The stuff has a short > shelf life, but even shorter in a 2 cycle. I'm not sure if it's just the > really small engines or if effects outboards as well. > Take it for what's it worth. I would still consider it hearsay, but at > least something to think about. > Bob Ellison > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Michael Kennedy wrote: >> Where do you find pure gasoline? >> > > I don't know but the alcohol plays hell with carburetors in small > engines. One way to minimize it is to run the engine with the fuel > shut off until it stops each time it is to be left for any time. This > affects chain saws, weed whackers and outboards. If anybody knows how > to get alcohol out, it would be a boon. The marina where my other boat lives has one of those electronic signs, one message on which is that their gasoline contains no alcohol. So apparently marinas can buy real gas. My Cal 20's outboard gets fed regular car gas because that's all I can find. Maybe I'll start running the carb empty each time I use it. My recent practice has been to start it up each week or so to keep fresh gas in the carb. That does not, of course, address the moisture and alcohol separation issues in the gas tank. Chris Campbell

I have a Gray Marine flathead-4 and have used automotive fuel in it for 20 years. The engine is over 50 years old. The gas tank is about 20 years old. I have to occasionally clean the carborator every few years as that is the nature of these up-draft carbs but other than that have had no fuel problems. Probably if I changed the filter/ water separator more than once every 10 years I wouldn't have to clean the carb so often. I did blow a head gasket a year or so ago so had occasion to take the head off. I have re-built many engines in my life but have never seen a cylinder wall look so new. As for the gas tank and water. I had occasion to completely clean out the tank after a friend washed down the boat as I was adding fuel. No sign of rust inside although the outside looks terrible. One final point, (with the disclosure that I don't know what I am talking about). If you do get water in your fuel, one thing that is recommended is to add a fuel additive to suck up the water. That additive is probably alcohol. So, why is it bad to have it in the gas? Don't know but makes me wonder. I use Shell regular and have no idea if it has alcohol in it. I Googled it and still don't know but I don't care either so no harm done. My vote with a 4 cycle is to not worry about the fuel. 2 cycle, don't know. Allen On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> wrote: > > > Just thinking about avoiding ethanol. Likes water. Will bond with > water. will evaporate. will leave water in bottom of fuel tank. bad > things happen then. > Fine for vehicles that use it and keep it fresh. I don't like the idea > of it sitting for so long where it will crud up. I've seen the negative > effect it has on efficiency with my cars and truck. > Kevin > > > david dobbs wrote: > > > > > > Guys, > > I have an A4 engine, and it has been burning ethenol for a number of > > years. This is a flathead 4 cylinder, basic engine. It starts every > > spring and runs fine all season. It would probably burn anything > > close to gasoline. Put fuel stabilizer in, winterize it properly, and > > go from there. If you think you need aircraft fuel for your A4 go > > ahead and spend the money, but you'd probably get a better return by > > buying a lottery ticket. > > Regards, > > David Dobbs, > > Cal29 411 > > > > > > --- On *Thu, 3/4/10, Kevin Swart /<kg… [at] earthlink.net<kgs113%40earthlink.net>>/* > wrote: > > > > > > From: Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net <kgs113%40earthlink.net>> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] alternative fuels > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 7:46 PM > > > > Airfields are a good source of non-ethanol fuels and you don't > > need the > > octane of racing fuels. Hit up your local airfield. I did go thru 5 > > gallons last year but we had a couple of calm days I just idled > > around > > the lake. > > > > Kevin > > > > j > > > > > > > > >

Yeah, they should have just bought E10.1 to begin with. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:05 AM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > > it always mde me chuckle to watch someone buy 20 gallons of E10, then add > 12 ounces of HEET to keep the fuel line from freezing in the winter. > Reggie > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > From: bo… [at] adelphia.net > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 22:35:28 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] engine maintenance (was Chesapeake March > Weather) > > > > I've also read, from the weed whacker manufacturer, that the E10 can > cause > > the fuel oil mixture to burn lean in a 2 cycle as it ages. Supposedly the > > > cylinder will look like it's been run without oil. The stuff has a short > > shelf life, but even shorter in a 2 cycle. I'm not sure if it's just the > > really small engines or if effects outboards as well. > > Take it for what's it worth. I would still consider it hearsay, but at > > least something to think about. > > Bob Ellison > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

"If you do get water in your fuel, one thing that is recommended is to add a fuel additive to suck up the water. That additive is probably alcohol. So, why is it bad to have it in the gas?" a small amount, like a 12 oz. bottle of HEET is ok. But consider that if you put 20 gallons of E10 in your tank, 2 GALLONS of it are alcohol, Furthermore, if you are consistently filling with E10, you have alcohol there in large amounts all the time, whereas adding one bottle of HEET disappears relatively quickly. Reggie

I still don't understand as having alcohol in your tank will just suck up any water in the tank. I don't see how it can add water. Perhaps you are saying that it will suck water out of the air and then your 2 gallons of alcohol will evaporate leaving the water. I used to use alcohol to dry things. The alcohol combines with the water and both evaporate quickly -- the water was not left behind. I seriously doubt that this is a problem but I am open to data if you have any. That said, if you are worried about sucking water out of the air, keep your tank full. If you are worried about your fuel getting old and things evaporating out of your tank, keep it near empty. My vote, don't worry, go sailing. Allen On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:40 AM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > "If you do get water in your fuel, one thing that is recommended is to add > a fuel additive to suck up the water. That additive is probably alcohol. > So, why is it bad to have it in the gas?" > > a small amount, like a 12 oz. bottle of HEET is ok. But consider that if > you put 20 gallons of E10 in your tank, 2 GALLONS of it are alcohol, > Furthermore, if you are consistently filling with E10, you have alcohol > there in large amounts all the time, whereas adding one bottle of HEET > disappears relatively quickly. > > Reggie > > >

I run auto gas with alcohol in my Suzuki 4HP two cycle. I probably use closer to 50:1 than the 100:1 oil ratio recommended, to be on the safe side. So far, NO PROBLEMAS. My only problem is I ran the engine until it snapped a vane off the water impeller, blocking the water intake with the torn piece, starving the cooling system, causing the engine to loose power and shut down. When I restarted I saw the powerhead wasn't spitting water and shut the motor down, and took a tow to the starting line. Fortunately, I wasn't running full throtle when it all happened, and it didn't seem to have damaged the engine much if at all. A couple of things I do with my OB: I flush the motor using a flush bag attached to a fresh water hose after each use, and I run the motor with the fuel hose unplugged till it runs out of gas, leaving the carburetor reservoir empty of fuel. I think I'm still using the same spark plug after 10 years! Jerry Probably if I changed the filter/ water separator more than once every 10 years I wouldn't have to clean the carb so often. I did blow a head gasket a year or so ago so had occasion to take the head off. I have re-built many engines in my life but have never seen a cylinder wall look so new. As for the gas tank and water. I had occasion to completely clean out the tank after a friend washed down the boat as I was adding fuel. No sign of rust inside although the outside looks terrible. One final point, (with the disclosure that I don't know what I am talking about). If you do get water in your fuel, one thing that is recommended is to add a fuel additive to suck up the water. That additive is probably alcohol. So, why is it bad to have it in the gas? Don't know but makes me wonder. I use Shell regular and have no idea if it has alcohol in it. I Googled it and still don't know but I don't care either so no harm done. My vote with a 4 cycle is to not worry about the fuel. 2 cycle, don't know. Allen On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Kevin Swart <kgs113@earthlink. net> wrote: Just thinking about avoiding ethanol. Likes water. Will bond with water. will evaporate. will leave water in bottom of fuel tank. bad things happen then. Fine for vehicles that use it and keep it fresh. I don't like the idea of it sitting for so long where it will crud up. I've seen the negative effect it has on efficiency with my cars and truck. Kevin david dobbs wrote: > > > Guys, > I have an A4 engine, and it has been burning ethenol for a number of > years. This is a flathead 4 cylinder, basic engine. It starts every > spring and runs fine all season. It would probably burn anything > close to gasoline. Put fuel stabilizer in, winterize it properly, and > go from there. If you think you need aircraft fuel for your A4 go > ahead and spend the money, but you'd probably get a better return by > buying a lottery ticket. > Regards, > David Dobbs, > Cal29 411 > > > --- On *Thu, 3/4/10, Kevin Swart /<kgs113@earthlink. net>/* wrote: > > > From: Kevin Swart <kgs113@earthlink. net> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] alternative fuels > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 7:46 PM > > Airfields are a good source of non-ethanol fuels and you don't > need the > octane of racing fuels. Hit up your local airfield. I did go thru 5 > gallons last year but we had a couple of calm days I just idled > around > the lake. > > Kevin > > j > > >

r good wrote: > > > > "If you do get water in your fuel, one thing that is recommended is to > add a fuel additive to suck up the water. That additive is > probably alcohol. So, why is it bad to have it in the gas?" > > a small amount, like a 12 oz. bottle of HEET is ok. But consider that > if you put 20 gallons of E10 in your tank, 2 GALLONS of it are > alcohol, Furthermore, if you are consistently filling with E10, you > have alcohol there in large amounts all the time, whereas adding one > bottle of HEET disappears relatively quickly. And the alcohol absorbs large amounts of moisture then separates out from the fuel. Practical Sailor did some articles about the alcohol problem. One is that the alcohol may evaporate out, leaving less volatile fuel. The other is that it separates and leaves a watery mess in the bottom of the tank. Chris Campbell

LOL, Darr...... You're lucky...you have your own! We have a Neighborhood one (rather our street)..... Actually makes it kind of fun....except for the state and city snow blowers that come by....and it seems, intentionally buries us under again! We still have some too...only on our deck though...the grass is finally, we grass again.....which means, since this is a sailing site, I CAN GO TO MY BOAT AND GET SOME THINGS DONE NOW! I am very excited about the whole thing! Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: Darr LaFon <da… [at] verizon.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 10:00:39 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather I second Charles comments about the snow. However, I broke down and spent $1100 on a snow blower (which had to come out of the boat budget.) We got 55 inches in two different storms in one week up here in northwest Baltimore county. (85 inches for the year) As of 1 March I still had10 inches on the north side of my house where the drive way is. Just used the blower on Sunday to clear off a parking area. The thing is on treads, has an electric start, heated hand grips, headlight, 6 forward speeds, 2 reverse speeds. 26 inches wide and 21 inches high snow gathering area on the front. Remote handle to elevate and point the blower outflow chute…. Oh Sorry, I forgot, this is a sailing site, I will shut up Darr From:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com ] On Behalf Of Charles Strasburger Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:36 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather Of course, not including the 1-3 inches we expect tonight and tomorrow.... .. I am so sick of it...loooking to splash this month and have lots to do! Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From:"Husar, Charlie [ USA ]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: " Cal_Boats@yahoogro ups.com " < Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 8:33:05 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Chesapeake March Weather As I recall, somebody (Chris H?) asked about March weather in the Chesapeake Bay . I will be careful to say "average" instead of the weatherman's word "normal". Today was typical. Breezy from the Northwest. On average, we get a lot of highs this time of year which produces north to west winds and it is quite often sunny. Good stuff for runs down the Bay. Since the water is cold, the breezes get chilled even more as they cross the water. Definitely cooler out on the water. You can feel toasty at the dock, and get a real chill on the water. Temps will gradually rise, with a chance to have at least several days in the 60s. Water levels depend on a couple factors. The northwesterlies tend to drain the Bay, but with all the snow melt, the Susquehanna will be providing a lot of water. Don't know which effect will win out. The information contained in this document carries no warranty, written or implied. Cheers Charlie