CAL 29 mast weight

Greets; Those of you who have pulled your stick, any clues as the true weight of the mast? -- /ch

Chris, I can't say for sure what the weight of our rig on Magic is (Cal 2-27), but I was able to lift/suspend the entire mast alone. I would say that it is about 100 lbs without the standing rigging. The stick is 34 feet. Michael From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 9:24:38 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 29 mast weight Greets; Those of you who have pulled your stick, any clues as the true weight of the mast? -- /ch

Never thought to weight it, but one guy can lift it and two carried it for a couple of blocks without hassle. Probably around 150-165 lbs, certainly under 200. wilkie On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:24 PM, chris123 wrote: > Greets; > > Those of you who have pulled your stick, any clues as the true weight > of the mast? > > -- > /ch > >

Chris, The mast on my Cal 24 is probably one of the lightest of all Cals, since it is tapered at the top and has a much smaller, tear drop shape as compared to the massive looking ovoid, tree trunks on the Cal 25's and 27's etc. It takes two people in my opinion, and preferrably three, to safely raise and lower it, and mine is on a tabernacle mount. I used a 2"X2" bi-pod yolk, bolted together at the top to make a small open 'V', secured at the aft of the boat, with 2 lines on each side forward and aft (4 total) to steady it, to receive the mast. My mast is close to 30' and I'd say it's at least 80 plus lbs. The thing is, as you get half way up raising or lowering, the leverage is really working against you. I once lowered it by myself using my main sheet and my vang tied in series to the bow, and a 2"X4", 4' long spar tied to the mast projecting forwards. I ran out of line 6" from the end, the spar off to the side, and dropped onto the yolk without busting anything. Whew! I decided next time to get help to do it, and if I lowered it again by myself, to tie the forward line to the top of the bow pulpit instead of the bow fitting. Once the mast is down and secured it's easy to slide it around. Jerry --- On Fri, 3/5/10, Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 29 mast weight (chris) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 7:03 PM Chris, I can't say for sure what the weight of our rig on Magic is (Cal 2-27), but I was able to lift/suspend the entire mast alone. I would say that it is about 100 lbs without the standing rigging. The stick is 34 feet. Michael From: chris123 <chris.herrnberger@ gmail.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 9:24:38 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 29 mast weight Greets; Those of you who have pulled your stick, any clues as the true weight of the mast? -- /ch

many thanks....now I know how strong I need to build a cradle to take it through a canal system when she comes down. Best regards /ch On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:16 PM, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote: > > > > Never thought to weight it, but one guy can lift it and two carried it for > a couple of blocks without hassle. Probably around 150-165 lbs, certainly > under 200. > > wilkie > > On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:24 PM, chris123 wrote: > > Greets; > > Those of you who have pulled your stick, any clues as the true weight > of the mast? > > -- > /ch > > > > -- /ch

Chris, the strength requirement is not a whole lot. Last time I did the transport with the mast down thing, the most important things for me were support in the center of the mast to keep it from bowing or oscillating, stable bases on the supports so they would not slide around, a high aft end wood frame so I could readily get around the cockpit and into the cabin. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 6:06 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 29 mast weight many thanks....now I know how strong I need to build a cradle to take it through a canal system when she comes down. Best regards /ch On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:16 PM, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net<mailto:dw… [at] cox.net>> wrote: Never thought to weight it, but one guy can lift it and two carried it for a couple of blocks without hassle. Probably around 150-165 lbs, certainly under 200. wilkie On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:24 PM, chris123 wrote: Greets; Those of you who have pulled your stick, any clues as the true weight of the mast? -- /ch -- /ch

Thanks all: Yup understand. Going north eventually along the Erie Canal, the mast is going to come down at check this one, "Hop-a-Nose" Marina on the Hudson and will be raised somewhere near Oswego. Still need to find the right place with reasonable rates. Then its a short run home...across the Lake. /ch

Thanks all; No intention of doing it myself unless I have access to a club crane like we have at home. A simple pole with either a hand winch or electric winch. Wrap the belt around the mast, raise it up to the spreaders, tension it a bit, then undo the terminal tackle (the trick I read about and like is to mark all the terminal tackle so that tension is the same when you restore it) and winch her up and over and lay her down gently. On my CS22 the mast was much smaller and you could raise it with a gin pole similar to other trailer sailors. Cranked up and down easily using the trailer winch, gin pole and guide lines on the sides to prevent lateral movement. The only reason you needed a second person was to hook the mast into the pin at the base when the angle was right. Silly design. Otherwise you could do it yourself with the right gear. The CAL-20 is still at project status so no idea how that one is going to work, but I'm sure you can do it yourself as well,

If I'm not mistaken the 29's profile is the same as the 34 except shorter so this would make it a bit heavier I think. In either case the reported weight posses no insurmountable obstacle. /ch

Go to the cal20 web site. Download the manual-- it gives great instructions. I attach a 2part tackle to the main halliard and use this to assist the person in the cockpit(me). With the backstay and aft lowers and 1 upper shroud attached you can rely on that tension to keep the mast ftom twisting off sideways when it is raised. Do it early in the morning before the wind comes and the boat bounces around. No worries mate, Mike Farrell Cal 20 #1114 Rambler & #61 Coyote From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 5:52:14 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] CAL 29 mast weight (chris) Thanks all; No intention of doing it myself unless I have access to a club crane like we have at home. A simple pole with either a hand winch or electric winch. Wrap the belt around the mast, raise it up to the spreaders, tension it a bit, then undo the terminal tackle (the trick I read about and like is to mark all the terminal tackle so that tension is the same when you restore it) and winch her up and over and lay her down gently. On my CS22 the mast was much smaller and you could raise it with a gin pole similar to other trailer sailors. Cranked up and down easily using the trailer winch, gin pole and guide lines on the sides to prevent lateral movement. The only reason you needed a second person was to hook the mast into the pin at the base when the angle was right. Silly design. Otherwise you could do it yourself with the right gear. The CAL-20 is still at project status so no idea how that one is going to work, but I'm sure you can do it yourself as well,

There is a jin pole in Oswego. I'll contact one of my fellow sailors to get info on it. I'm on Oneida Lake and can see the lights of Sylvan beach from my dock. Maybe get together for some refreshment when you're at Sylvan Beach. Kevin CAL 25 chris123 wrote: > > Thanks all: > > Yup understand. Going north eventually along the Erie Canal, the mast > is going to come down at check this one, "Hop-a-Nose" Marina on the > Hudson and will be raised somewhere near Oswego. Still need to find > the right place with reasonable rates. Then its a short run > home...across the Lake. > > /ch > >

I thought changing oil would be a snap, but it appears the oil drain plug isn't really accessible on my one cylinder (Yanmar 1GM10-8HP) engine. Can anyone tell me if I'm wrong or if not, what kind of pump you've used successfully to pump the old oil out through the dipstick opening? David

Love to and thanks for the info and help. /ch

Thanks Mike, will do once I get back home. /ch

There many ways to do it. When I worked on boats as a diesel mechanic, I used what is basically a 5 gallon bucket with a siphon tube attached. It had a pump that would pull a vacuum so you installed the tube into the dipstick attachment and then pumped up a vacuum---run the engine to warm the oil first so it is not so thick. West Marine sold these,I think. Another way is to use a "Navy Pump" a cylinder like a hand bilge pump---messy! Another version is to use a jabsco impeller type run on a hand drill, takes a little longer but works. You will never get all the oil out but you don't really need to anyway. My Best, Mike Farrell From: David Field <fi… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 8:49:51 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Changing oil it Cal 27 Mark III on a (Yanmar 1GM10-8HP) engine I thought changing oil would be a snap, but it appears the oil drain plug isn't really accessible on my one cylinder (Yanmar 1GM10-8HP) engine. Can anyone tell me if I'm wrong or if not, what kind of pump you've used successfully to pump the old oil out through the dipstick opening? David

I use one of these: http://images.westmarine.com/full/11935_f.jpg <http://images.westmarine.com/full/11935_f.jpg>You pump 30 times and go have a beer. When the oil stops moving, you pump again and go have another beer. Eventually you are too drunk to realize you didn't get all the oil out. I have also used a small transfer pump. With those, you put the end in the dipstick and pump until the oil is out. By then you are so worn out you can't even open the damn beer. ymmv. Allen On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 4:50 AM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > There many ways to do it. When I worked on boats as a diesel mechanic, I > used what is basically a 5 gallon bucket with a siphon tube attached. It > had a pump that would pull a vacuum so you installed the tube into the > dipstick attachment and then pumped up a vacuum---run the engine to warm the > oil first so it is not so thick. West Marine sold these,I think. Another > way is to use a "Navy Pump" a cylinder like a hand bilge pump---messy! > Another version is to use a jabsco impeller type run on a hand drill, > takes a little longer but works. You will never get all the oil out but you > don't really need to anyway. My Best, Mike Farrell > > ------------------------------ > *From:* David Field <fi… [at] yahoo.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Sat, March 6, 2010 8:49:51 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Re: Changing oil it Cal 27 Mark III on a (Yanmar > 1GM10-8HP) engine > > > > I thought changing oil would be a snap, but it appears the oil drain plug > isn't really accessible on my one cylinder (Yanmar 1GM10-8HP) engine. Can > anyone tell me if I'm wrong or if not, what kind of pump you've used > successfully to pump the old oil out through the dipstick opening? > David > > > > >

thanks for the morning chuckle, Allen! By the way, your second option is not as appealing. I used to have http://tinyurl.com/yax4nxt it is similar to Allen's second option and was always a mess. now I have http://tinyurl.com/y93z4lb which works much better. I acquired it at Scurvy Dog resale facility in Pensacola for much less than advertised. they had three at the time. Two notes: 1. the secret to making oil changes easier is to run the engine until the oil is hot before trying to suck it out. 2. the bucket style system I now have is top heavy. I put something heavy in the bottom to avoid tipovers. I read an article recently where a boat had been set up for ease of oil and filter change with remote oil filter, and installing a drain plug which had a hose barb and hose led to a remote pump like the one on the bucket I have. appropriate shutoff valves also, of course. Makes sense. the easier it is to change oil, the more likely it is to be done. Ten, if we just had better ways to deal with the used oil........ Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 06:59:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Changing oil it Cal 27 Mark III on a (Yanmar 1GM10-8HP) engine I use one of these: http://images.westmarine.com/full/11935_f.jpg You pump 30 times and go have a beer. When the oil stops moving, you pump again and go have another beer. Eventually you are too drunk to realize you didn't get all the oil out. I have also used a small transfer pump. With those, you put the end in the dipstick and pump until the oil is out. By then you are so worn out you can't even open the damn beer. ymmv. Allen On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 4:50 AM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: There many ways to do it. When I worked on boats as a diesel mechanic, I used what is basically a 5 gallon bucket with a siphon tube attached. It had a pump that would pull a vacuum so you installed the tube into the dipstick attachment and then pumped up a vacuum---run the engine to warm the oil first so it is not so thick. West Marine sold these,I think. Another way is to use a "Navy Pump" a cylinder like a hand bilge pump---messy! Another version is to use a jabsco impeller type run on a hand drill, takes a little longer but works. You will never get all the oil out but you don't really need to anyway. My Best, Mike Farrell From: David Field <fi… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 8:49:51 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Changing oil it Cal 27 Mark III on a (Yanmar 1GM10-8HP) engine I thought changing oil would be a snap, but it appears the oil drain plug isn't really accessible on my one cylinder (Yanmar 1GM10-8HP) engine. Can anyone tell me if I'm wrong or if not, what kind of pump you've used successfully to pump the old oil out through the dipstick opening? David

From: my… [at] hotmail.com To: fi… [at] yahoo.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Changing oil it Cal 27 Mark III on a (Yanmar 1GM10-8HP) engine Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 22:26:26 -0700 http://tinyurl.com/yl8s6y2 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:02:18 -0800 From: fi… [at] yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Changing oil it Cal 27 Mark III on a (Yanmar 1GM10-8HP) engine To: my… [at] hotmail.com Reggie: the web page for what you have now doesn't work. Could you check it and send again? Thanks. David From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 10:55:07 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Changing oil it Cal 27 Mark III on a (Yanmar 1GM10-8HP) engine thanks for the morning chuckle, Allen! By the way, your second option is not as appealing. I used to have http://tinyurl. com/yax4nxt it is similar to Allen's second option and was always a mess. now I have http://tinyurl. com/y93z4lb which works much better. I acquired it at Scurvy Dog resale facility in Pensacola for much less than advertised. they had three at the time. Two notes: 1. the secret to making oil changes easier is to run the engine until the oil is hot before trying to suck it out. 2. the bucket style system I now have is top heavy. I put something heavy in the bottom to avoid tipovers. I read an article recently where a boat had been set up for ease of oil and filter change with remote oil filter, and installing a drain plug which had a hose barb and hose led to a remote pump like the one on the bucket I have. appropriate shutoff valves also, of course. Makes sense. the easier it is to change oil, the more likely it is to be done. Ten, if we just had better ways to deal with the used oil........ Reggie To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: allen.edwards@ PaloAltoPhoto. com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 06:59:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Changing oil it Cal 27 Mark III on a (Yanmar 1GM10-8HP) engine I use one of these: http://images. westmarine. com/full/ 11935_f.jpg You pump 30 times and go have a beer. When the oil stops moving, you pump again and go have another beer. Eventually you are too drunk to realize you didn't get all the oil out. I have also used a small transfer pump. With those, you put the end in the dipstick and pump until the oil is out. By then you are so worn out you can't even open the damn beer. ymmv. Allen On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 4:50 AM, mike farrell <vectormenow@ yahoo.com> wrote: There many ways to do it. When I worked on boats as a diesel mechanic, I used what is basically a 5 gallon bucket with a siphon tube attached. It had a pump that would pull a vacuum so you installed the tube into the dipstick attachment and then pumped up a vacuum---run the engine to warm the oil first so it is not so thick. West Marine sold these,I think. Another way is to use a "Navy Pump" a cylinder like a hand bilge pump---messy! Another version is to use a jabsco impeller type run on a hand drill, takes a little longer but works. You will never get all the oil out but you don't really need to anyway. My Best, Mike Farrell From: David Field <field1941@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 8:49:51 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Changing oil it Cal 27 Mark III on a (Yanmar 1GM10-8HP) engine I thought changing oil would be a snap, but it appears the oil drain plug isn't really accessible on my one cylinder (Yanmar 1GM10-8HP) engine. Can anyone tell me if I'm wrong or if not, what kind of pump you've used successfully to pump the old oil out through the dipstick opening? David