Holding tank repair (head)

All, I have a 20-25-ish Gal. holding tank on my Cal 31 for the head. It has a failed plastic heat weld on the top seam. The tank looks to be several flat sheets welded together and it feels like HDPE. Milky white, hard, not roto-molded. The failed seam is on the top so no actual leaks yet, but that explains some funky odors this year. I want to fix it in place. Anyone have good suggestions? Must I heat weld to repair or is there a glue or epoxy worth trying first? If I must heat weld, how tough is that to learn on the fly? Whiel I am at it, I am also going to re-plumb and get rid of the over-the-side capabiltiy as it is just more stuff to leak/ break / smell/ get fined for. Thanks for any advice. Chris Cal 31 Poulsbo, WA

Chris, Contact Marine Sanitation in Seattle. They are the experts, and a bunch of really good folks. They are next door to Fisheries Supply. I attended one of their classes and was pleased with what I learned and how it was presented. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Mar 23, 2010, at 7:30 AM, sculler2000 wrote: > All, > I have a 20-25-ish Gal. holding tank on my Cal 31 for the head. It > has a failed plastic heat weld on the top seam. The tank looks to > be several flat sheets welded together and it feels like HDPE. > Milky white, hard, not roto-molded. > > The failed seam is on the top so no actual leaks yet, but that > explains some funky odors this year. > > I want to fix it in place. Anyone have good suggestions? Must I > heat weld to repair or is there a glue or epoxy worth trying first? > > If I must heat weld, how tough is that to learn on the fly? > > Whiel I am at it, I am also going to re-plumb and get rid of the > over-the-side capabiltiy as it is just more stuff to leak/ break / > smell/ get fined for. > > Thanks for any advice. > > Chris > Cal 31 > Poulsbo, WA > >

Hello fellow Cal boaters, I have found an interesting listing on San Diego craigslist but know virtually nothing about the model. Can anyone chip in some background on the Cal T4? Thanks, Sabine http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/boa/1656173263.html

Sabine, Such a deal! Well, that's inflation for U. I paid $450 for my Cal 24 original oldie (not a T4 which is an IOR design) in 1996, but it didn't come with an outboard. I had to go far and fetch one, it cost me another $300. Your design is about 15-20 years 'newer' than mine.... But when I hauled her I spent three months at the boat yard, much of which was on the rusted out centerboard that would get stuck...the boatyard folks said I'd put too much paint on it, so all the time I spent scraping off the new paint was a waste, 'cause they were dead wrong. Turned out that the lifting fulcrum was in the wrong place, and I had to re-place (after I had built a new one and put it in the original location) it and cut it into the lowest rung of the companionway ladder. Lots of scraping and painting. Believe it or not, the best thing would be to have it surveyed either by are paid one or a very experienced friend. It has no Centerboard so you won't have to worry about that. Best to go see the boat and see how you like it. I believe that are reasonably fast, stable boats. Good Luck, Jerry --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Sabine Faulhaber <su… [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Sabine Faulhaber <su… [at] yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 8:42 AM Hello fellow Cal boaters, I have found an interesting listing on San Diego craigslist but know virtually nothing about the model. Can anyone chip in some background on the Cal T4? Thanks, Sabine http://sandiego. craigslist. org/csd/boa/ 1656173263. html

My understanding is the HDPE can be welded like a glue stick (hot melt glue gun). Otherwise, 5200 should seal crack. Epoxy will work to join panel, edges or joints, the joining surfaces should be heated (plumbers torch) prior to gluing. YMMV John From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sculler2000 Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:31 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Holding tank repair (head) All, I have a 20-25-ish Gal. holding tank on my Cal 31 for the head. It has a failed plastic heat weld on the top seam. The tank looks to be several flat sheets welded together and it feels like HDPE. Milky white, hard, not roto-molded. The failed seam is on the top so no actual leaks yet, but that explains some funky odors this year. I want to fix it in place. Anyone have good suggestions? Must I heat weld to repair or is there a glue or epoxy worth trying first? If I must heat weld, how tough is that to learn on the fly? Whiel I am at it, I am also going to re-plumb and get rid of the over-the-side capabiltiy as it is just more stuff to leak/ break / smell/ get fined for. Thanks for any advice. Chris Cal 31 Poulsbo, WA

Sabine, it is almost a flat deck that was built for MORC. Bolt on keel I believe (as opposed to encapsulated). Rudder is off the stern as in J/24s. T/4 never really caught on. I've been in a couple of them, but can count the Chesapeake population I've seen on one hand. Do not know how they sail. Interior space less than a CAL 25 due to pinched stern and a few other IOR design considerations. Hope this helps a little. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabine Faulhaber Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:42 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4 Hello fellow Cal boaters, I have found an interesting listing on San Diego craigslist but know virtually nothing about the model. Can anyone chip in some background on the Cal T4? Thanks, Sabine http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/boa/1656173263.html

sculler2000 wrote: > All, > I have a 20-25-ish Gal. holding tank on my Cal 31 for the head. It has a failed plastic heat weld on the top seam. The tank looks to be several flat sheets welded together and it feels like HDPE. Milky white, hard, not roto-molded. > > The failed seam is on the top so no actual leaks yet, but that explains some funky odors this year. > > I want to fix it in place. Anyone have good suggestions? Must I heat weld to repair or is there a glue or epoxy worth trying first? > The Gougeon Bros. have a method for using epoxy on plastics. It involves waving a propane torch flame lightly over the surface to oxidize the plasticizers, as I recall. Go to their web site. I've used epoxy on a Porta-Potti waste tank corner. I roughed it up thoroughly and then applied epoxy and some glass. This was before I read their procedure. It's held for many years, but I do avoid stressing it. I'm not sure what the plastic is--it's not the same stuff as the top section of the device. This is a very old unit. Chris Campbell >

Hello Sabine, I used to own a Cal T4, it was a fun boat, especially for day sailing. We moved up to a Cal 29 though because we enjoy cruising a lot so we went for the head room. If you're just buying to day sail its a great boat and that's a cheap price to boot. It not as fast as a J24 and its also a pretty heavy boat. I never had any issues with mine although it was my first, I didn't know what I was looking at half the time. Good luck, Frans From: Sabine Faulhaber <su… [at] yahoo.co.uk> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 8:42:20 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4 Hello fellow Cal boaters, I have found an interesting listing on San Diego craigslist but know virtually nothing about the model. Can anyone chip in some background on the Cal T4? Thanks, Sabine http://sandiego. craigslist. org/csd/boa/ 1656173263. html

Sabine, Frans, Consider this: If this is your first boat, it is a lot of boat, a lot of boat that will take you anywhere you want to go, when you are ready for it. My experience with sailboats is you are either on deck sailing, or below, sleeping prone, so headroom isn't a big issue. After you have mastered handling a 24', two ton, boat, move up from there. What I see often is people biting off more than they can chew, and consequently, never leaving the dock. Get plenty of boat handling experience, get an experience good crew to help you, then, teach some novice crew to be useful, then plan some local cruising, and by all means, do some cruiser class racing if you really want to learn how to sail. I can walk all over Hunter and Benetaus in the 35' to 45' class because so often the skippers haven't a clue how to get maximum power out of their sails by properly trimming them for maximum L/D, lift over drag, as pilots would say...or optimum trim for a given wave state or wind strength. My two centavos, Jerry --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Frans Sell <fr… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Frans Sell <fr… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 11:17 AM Hello Sabine, I used to own a Cal T4, it was a fun boat, especially for day sailing. We moved up to a Cal 29 though because we enjoy cruising a lot so we went for the head room. If you're just buying to day sail its a great boat and that's a cheap price to boot. It not as fast as a J24 and its also a pretty heavy boat. I never had any issues with mine although it was my first, I didn't know what I was looking at half the time. Good luck, Frans From: Sabine Faulhaber <supergirl_sb@ yahoo.co. uk> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 8:42:20 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4 Hello fellow Cal boaters, I have found an interesting listing on San Diego craigslist but know virtually nothing about the model. Can anyone chip in some background on the Cal T4? Thanks, Sabine http://sandiego. craigslist. org/csd/boa/ 1656173263. html

If when you look at the boat you are considering--- It should look like your first boyfriend (or girlfriend) As you walk away from your boat, as you look over your shoulder, you should feel something in your chest. Pride, success, contentment, far shores to be conquered and explored. If you look at "Your boat" and say " O s---, What a turkey! your sailing career with this vessel will be short and sad. Then ---a new (another) boat or perhaps Golf. My 2 pesos worth Mike Farrell, a 2 boat owner ( or do they own me?) From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 2:27:10 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4(Frans and Sabine) Sabine, Frans, Consider this: If this is your first boat, it is a lot of boat, a lot of boat that will take you anywhere you want to go, when you are ready for it. My experience with sailboats is you are either on deck sailing, or below, sleeping prone, so headroom isn't a big issue. After you have mastered handling a 24', two ton, boat, move up from there. What I see often is people biting off more than they can chew, and consequently, never leaving the dock. Get plenty of boat handling experience, get an experience good crew to help you, then, teach some novice crew to be useful, then plan some local cruising, and by all means, do some cruiser class racing if you really want to learn how to sail. I can walk all over Hunter and Benetaus in the 35' to 45' class because so often the skippers haven't a clue how to get maximum power out of their sails by properly trimming them for maximum L/D, lift over drag, as pilots would say...or optimum trim for a given wave state or wind strength. My two centavos, Jerry --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Frans Sell <fr… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >From: Frans Sell <fr… [at] yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4 >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 11:17 AM > > > >Hello Sabine, > >I used to own a Cal T4, it was a fun boat, especially for day sailing. We moved up to a Cal 29 though because we enjoy cruising a lot so we went for the head room. If you're just buying to day sail its a great boat and that's a cheap price to boot. It not as fast as a J24 and its also a pretty heavy boat. I never had any issues with mine although it was my first, I didn't know what I was looking at half the time. > >Good luck, > >Frans > > > > From: Sabine Faulhaber <supergirl_sb@ yahoo.co. uk> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 8:42:20 AM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4 > > >Hello fellow Cal boaters, > >I have found an interesting listing on San Diego craigslist but know virtually nothing about the model. Can anyone chip in some background on the Cal T4? > >Thanks, > >Sabine > >http://sandiego. craigslist. org/csd/boa/ 1656173263. html > >

Thanks all for your input. I was just curious about this boat (thirst for knowledge I guess) and eyeing what's out there to putz around in Mission Bay (San Diego) with while my beautiful Cal 3-30 sits up in Santa Barbara waiting for me to break free from my Mo-Fr 9-5 chains to visit her - sadly let me first love, my little Cal 25 go early last year - had I know I would be back in SD... Sabine From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 23 March, 2010 17:08:34 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4(Frans and Sabine) If when you look at the boat you are considering- -- It should look like your first boyfriend (or girlfriend) As you walk away from your boat, as you look over your shoulder, you should feel something in your chest. Pride, success, contentment, far shores to be conquered and explored. If you look at "Your boat" and say " O s---, What a turkey! your sailing career with this vessel will be short and sad. Then ---a new (another) boat or perhaps Golf. My 2 pesos worth Mike Farrell, a 2 boat owner ( or do they own me?) From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 2:27:10 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4(Frans and Sabine) Sabine, Frans, Consider this: If this is your first boat, it is a lot of boat, a lot of boat that will take you anywhere you want to go, when you are ready for it. My experience with sailboats is you are either on deck sailing, or below, sleeping prone, so headroom isn't a big issue. After you have mastered handling a 24', two ton, boat, move up from there. What I see often is people biting off more than they can chew, and consequently, never leaving the dock. Get plenty of boat handling experience, get an experience good crew to help you, then, teach some novice crew to be useful, then plan some local cruising, and by all means, do some cruiser class racing if you really want to learn how to sail. I can walk all over Hunter and Benetaus in the 35' to 45' class because so often the skippers haven't a clue how to get maximum power out of their sails by properly trimming them for maximum L/D, lift over drag, as pilots would say...or optimum trim for a given wave state or wind strength. My two centavos, Jerry --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Frans Sell <franssell@yahoo. com> wrote: >From: Frans Sell <franssell@yahoo. com> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4 >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 11:17 AM > > > >Hello Sabine, > >I used to own a Cal T4, it was a fun boat, especially for day sailing. We moved up to a Cal 29 though because we enjoy cruising a lot so we went for the head room. If you're just buying to day sail its a great boat and that's a cheap price to boot. It not as fast as a J24 and its also a pretty heavy boat. I never had any issues with mine although it was my first, I didn't know what I was looking at half the time. > >Good luck, > >Frans > > > > From: Sabine Faulhaber <supergirl_sb@ yahoo.co. uk> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 8:42:20 AM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4 > > >Hello fellow Cal boaters, > >I have found an interesting listing on San Diego craigslist but know virtually nothing about the model. Can anyone chip in some background on the Cal T4? > >Thanks, > >Sabine > >http://sandiego. craigslist. org/csd/boa/ 1656173263. html > >

Regarding HHDPE repair the surface must be treated with the very tip of the flame to oxidise the surface. you can tell if you have done it right by spraying water on the surface and it should not bead up but leave a shine. This is need to be done in my years of making plastis containers before printing. Dont cook it but use the very tip of the flame. Dave Paulson Allergia Channel Islands Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Campbell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Holding tank repair (head) sculler2000 wrote: > All, > I have a 20-25-ish Gal. holding tank on my Cal 31 for the head. It has a failed plastic heat weld on the top seam. The tank looks to be several flat sheets welded together and it feels like HDPE. Milky white, hard, not roto-molded. > > The failed seam is on the top so no actual leaks yet, but that explains some funky odors this year. > > I want to fix it in place. Anyone have good suggestions? Must I heat weld to repair or is there a glue or epoxy worth trying first? > The Gougeon Bros. have a method for using epoxy on plastics. It involves waving a propane torch flame lightly over the surface to oxidize the plasticizers, as I recall. Go to their web site. I've used epoxy on a Porta-Potti waste tank corner. I roughed it up thoroughly and then applied epoxy and some glass. This was before I read their procedure. It's held for many years, but I do avoid stressing it. I'm not sure what the plastic is--it's not the same stuff as the top section of the device. This is a very old unit. Chris Campbell >

I had a guy "weld" the holding tank on my motor home and watched what he did. He had a strip of scrap plastic of the same type and used it like solder with one of those old soldering guns we used to use in metal shop 50 years ago. Seemed simple enough and what I would try rather than holding a flame to the tank and then putting something non-flexible on a flexible tank. But again, I don't know what I am talking about so don't listen to me. Allen On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Dave & Cathy Paulson <dp… [at] socal.rr.com > wrote: > > > Regarding HHDPE repair the surface must be treated with the very tip of the > flame to oxidise the surface. you can tell if you have done it right by > spraying water on the surface and it should not bead up but leave a shine. > This is need to be done in my years of making plastis containers before > printing. Dont cook it but use the very tip of the flame. > Dave Paulson > Allergia > Channel Islands Ca > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:15 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Holding tank repair (head) > > > > sculler2000 wrote: > > All, > > I have a 20-25-ish Gal. holding tank on my Cal 31 for the head. It has a > failed plastic heat weld on the top seam. The tank looks to be several flat > sheets welded together and it feels like HDPE. Milky white, hard, not > roto-molded. > > > > The failed seam is on the top so no actual leaks yet, but that explains > some funky odors this year. > > > > I want to fix it in place. Anyone have good suggestions? Must I heat weld > to repair or is there a glue or epoxy worth trying first? > > > > The Gougeon Bros. have a method for using epoxy on plastics. It > involves waving a propane torch flame lightly over the surface to > oxidize the plasticizers, as I recall. Go to their web site. I've > used epoxy on a Porta-Potti waste tank corner. I roughed it up > thoroughly and then applied epoxy and some glass. This was before I > read their procedure. It's held for many years, but I do avoid > stressing it. I'm not sure what the plastic is--it's not the same stuff > as the top section of the device. This is a very old unit. > > Chris Campbell > > > > >

Sabine, Many years ago I raced against a T4 in the Del Rey Yacht Club Bill Stein cruiser series, it sailed very well, very competitively, and from what I gleamed, it's owner was very happy with her. Good looking boat too. I owned a Cal 25 for a number of weeks, that I bought off of EBay. It came from San Diego, a Navy Base, and I sailed it up to Marina del Rey, and sold her after racing her once. Too big a boat for me...smaller boats are just more fun, closer to the waves and water! Jerry --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Sabine Faulhaber <su… [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Sabine Faulhaber <su… [at] yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4(Frans and Sabine) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 5:52 PM Thanks all for your input. I was just curious about this boat (thirst for knowledge I guess) and eyeing what's out there to putz around in Mission Bay (San Diego) with while my beautiful Cal 3-30 sits up in Santa Barbara waiting for me to break free from my Mo-Fr 9-5 chains to visit her - sadly let me first love, my little Cal 25 go early last year - had I know I would be back in SD... Sabine From: mike farrell <vectormenow@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tue, 23 March, 2010 17:08:34 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4(Frans and Sabine) If when you look at the boat you are considering- -- It should look like your first boyfriend (or girlfriend) As you walk away from your boat, as you look over your shoulder, you should feel something in your chest. Pride, success, contentment, far shores to be conquered and explored. If you look at "Your boat" and say " O s---, What a turkey! your sailing career with this vessel will be short and sad. Then ---a new (another) boat or perhaps Golf. My 2 pesos worth Mike Farrell, a 2 boat owner ( or do they own me?) From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 2:27:10 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4(Frans and Sabine) Sabine, Frans, Consider this: If this is your first boat, it is a lot of boat, a lot of boat that will take you anywhere you want to go, when you are ready for it. My experience with sailboats is you are either on deck sailing, or below, sleeping prone, so headroom isn't a big issue. After you have mastered handling a 24', two ton, boat, move up from there. What I see often is people biting off more than they can chew, and consequently, never leaving the dock. Get plenty of boat handling experience, get an experience good crew to help you, then, teach some novice crew to be useful, then plan some local cruising, and by all means, do some cruiser class racing if you really want to learn how to sail. I can walk all over Hunter and Benetaus in the 35' to 45' class because so often the skippers haven't a clue how to get maximum power out of their sails by properly trimming them for maximum L/D, lift over drag, as pilots would say...or optimum trim for a given wave state or wind strength. My two centavos, Jerry --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Frans Sell <franssell@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Frans Sell <franssell@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 11:17 AM Hello Sabine, I used to own a Cal T4, it was a fun boat, especially for day sailing. We moved up to a Cal 29 though because we enjoy cruising a lot so we went for the head room. If you're just buying to day sail its a great boat and that's a cheap price to boot. It not as fast as a J24 and its also a pretty heavy boat. I never had any issues with mine although it was my first, I didn't know what I was looking at half the time. Good luck, Frans From: Sabine Faulhaber <supergirl_sb@ yahoo.co. uk> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 8:42:20 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4 Hello fellow Cal boaters, I have found an interesting listing on San Diego craigslist but know virtually nothing about the model. Can anyone chip in some background on the Cal T4? Thanks, Sabine http://sandiego. craigslist. org/csd/boa/ 1656173263. html

the difference between "TURN KEY" and "TURKEY" is the N... it is easier to Buy ...than to sell..but go ahead drive in ... any boat is better than no boat..and Cal'S are Great..try to get a boat that some good points (nice interior & complete With sails galley ect)..craigslist is great ... remember 1 year slip rent is appox $2000.00 so LOW purchase price is not as important ..2 or 3 years later ... good luck ed&helen From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 5:08:34 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4(Frans and Sabine) If when you look at the boat you are considering- -- It should look like your first boyfriend (or girlfriend) As you walk away from your boat, as you look over your shoulder, you should feel something in your chest. Pride, success, contentment, far shores to be conquered and explored. If you look at "Your boat" and say " O s---, What a turkey! your sailing career with this vessel will be short and sad. Then ---a new (another) boat or perhaps Golf. My 2 pesos worth Mike Farrell, a 2 boat owner ( or do they own me?) From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 2:27:10 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4(Frans and Sabine) Sabine, Frans, Consider this: If this is your first boat, it is a lot of boat, a lot of boat that will take you anywhere you want to go, when you are ready for it. My experience with sailboats is you are either on deck sailing, or below, sleeping prone, so headroom isn't a big issue. After you have mastered handling a 24', two ton, boat, move up from there. What I see often is people biting off more than they can chew, and consequently, never leaving the dock. Get plenty of boat handling experience, get an experience good crew to help you, then, teach some novice crew to be useful, then plan some local cruising, and by all means, do some cruiser class racing if you really want to learn how to sail. I can walk all over Hunter and Benetaus in the 35' to 45' class because so often the skippers haven't a clue how to get maximum power out of their sails by properly trimming them for maximum L/D, lift over drag, as pilots would say...or optimum trim for a given wave state or wind strength. My two centavos, Jerry --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Frans Sell <franssell@yahoo. com> wrote: >From: Frans Sell <franssell@yahoo. com> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4 >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 11:17 AM > > > >Hello Sabine, > >I used to own a Cal T4, it was a fun boat, especially for day sailing. We moved up to a Cal 29 though because we enjoy cruising a lot so we went for the head room. If you're just buying to day sail its a great boat and that's a cheap price to boot. It not as fast as a J24 and its also a pretty heavy boat. I never had any issues with mine although it was my first, I didn't know what I was looking at half the time. > >Good luck, > >Frans > > > > From: Sabine Faulhaber <supergirl_sb@ yahoo.co. uk> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 8:42:20 AM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4 > > >Hello fellow Cal boaters, > >I have found an interesting listing on San Diego craigslist but know virtually nothing about the model. Can anyone chip in some background on the Cal T4? > >Thanks, > >Sabine > >http://sandiego. craigslist. org/csd/boa/ 1656173263. html > >

mike farrell wrote: > > > If when you look at the boat you are considering--- It should look > like your first boyfriend (or girlfriend) As you walk away from your > boat, as you look over your shoulder, you should feel something in > your chest. Pride, success, contentment, far shores to be conquered > and explored. If you look at "Your boat" and say " O s---, What a > turkey! your sailing career with this vessel will be short and sad. > Then ---a new (another) boat or perhaps Golf. Beth Leonard wrote, "If you get a thrill motoring up to your boat in the dinghy and think she's the best-looking yacht in a crowded tropical anchorage, you'll resent it less when the head clogs or the generator breaks down." Nick Nicholson wanted a good-looking boat: "When I row away from it, I have to have the irresistible urge to rest on my oars and be happy with what I see." For Red Marston, "it was important to look out a window and see one's boat in a cove, and silently reflect, 'Isn't she a beauty.'.... all it had to do was to please the eye, to make the purchase and upkeep, large or small, worthwhile." Joel White observed that "More attention is paid to a handsome craft by everyone involved in her care.... Such a boat will last longer than the homely and less-loved craft on the next mooring." And as I've said before, when I row away from /Martha C/, I always get a big smile when gazing on that pretty and durable little boat. Chris Campbell Cal 20 #1220 Seafarer Polaris #13 and all those little boats too. >

Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > > I owned a Cal 25 for a number of weeks, that I bought off of EBay. It > came from San Diego, a Navy Base, and I sailed it up to Marina del > Rey, and sold her after racing her once. Too big a boat for > me...smaller boats are just more fun, closer to the waves and water! > Since I've got my collection of boat quotes out, I'll cite Ernest Gann: "In large vessels there is travail and perplexity; in small vessels there is joy." Chris Campbell > > > >

Completely agree. Moving from a 22 footer (the cal 20 is still a project) to a 29 footer was real interesting. You tend to overlook things like, electrical systems AC & DC, auxilary power thats not an outboard, water intake sytems, plumbing, septic, ventilation, ground tackle, sails, navigation systems and the list goes on. Now what's interesting is that you have two options. Become proficient in all areas or bend the wallet inside out. In either case, there's a lot of bending going on. Smaller boats once sorted, tend not to have the same level of maintenance and upkeep requirements as larger ones. Would I trade the 29, never...my solution is to buy more reference manuals and even they are getting expensive. Ever see the price of the ABYC electrical standard reference text....wow. best regards with whatever choice you make. The other Chris /ch

God bless you! From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:52:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4(Frans and Sabine) mike farrell wrote: If when you look at the boat you are considering--- It should look like your first boyfriend (or girlfriend) As you walk away from your boat, as you look over your shoulder, you should feel something in your chest. Pride, success, contentment, far shores to be conquered and explored. If you look at "Your boat" and say " O s---, What a turkey! your sailing career with this vessel will be short and sad. Then ---a new (another) boat or perhaps Golf. Beth Leonard wrote, "If you get a thrill motoring up to your boat in the dinghy and think she's the best-looking yacht in a crowded tropical anchorage, you'll resent it less when the head clogs or the generator breaks down." Nick Nicholson wanted a good-looking boat: "When I row away from it, I have to have the irresistible urge to rest on my oars and be happy with what I see." For Red Marston, "it was important to look out a window and see one's boat in a cove, and silently reflect, 'Isn't she a beauty.'.... all it had to do was to please the eye, to make the purchase and upkeep, large or small, worthwhile." Joel White observed that "More attention is paid to a handsome craft by everyone involved in her care.... Such a boat will last longer than the homely and less-loved craft on the next mooring." And as I've said before, when I row away from Martha C, I always get a big smile when gazing on that pretty and durable little boat. Chris Campbell Cal 20 #1220 Seafarer Polaris #13 and all those little boats too. >

Ernie Gann is one of my Heroes. He is the one of the most sensitive writers I have ever experienced .. My Best, Mike. From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:58:01 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4(Frans and Sabine) Gerald Sobel wrote: > I owned a Cal 25 for a number of weeks, that I bought off of EBay. It came from San Diego, a Navy Base, and I sailed it up to Marina del Rey, and sold her after racing her once. Too big a boat for me...smaller boats are just more fun, closer to the waves and water! > Since I've got my collection of boat quotes out, I'll cite Ernest Gann: "In large vessels there is travail and perplexity; in small vessels there is joy." Chris Campbell >

Absolutely agree -- All Sailors (not to mention pilots -- many sailors being same) should be required to read pretty much everything Gann has ever written. Highly recommended. Wilkie On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:03 PM, mike farrell wrote: > > Ernie Gann is one of my Heroes. He is the one of the most > sensitive writers I have ever experienced > .. > My Best, Mike. > > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:58:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1972 Cal Jensen T4(Frans and Sabine) > > > > Gerald Sobel wrote: >> >> >> I owned a Cal 25 for a number of weeks, that I bought off of EBay. >> It came from San Diego, a Navy Base, and I sailed it up to Marina >> del Rey, and sold her after racing her once. Too big a boat for >> me...smaller boats are just more fun, closer to the waves and water! > > Since I've got my collection of boat quotes out, I'll cite Ernest > Gann: "In large vessels there is travail and perplexity; in small > vessels there is joy." > > Chris Campbell >> > > > > >