Re: Cal CC46 vs. 2-46

Hi Nick, I guess 28 years of owning the same boat does lend some credibility. We were attracted to the CC46 due to our plans; long distance cruising and liveaboard. I wanted a sound, weatherkindly boat with standing headroom, (Jack Jensen and I were/are the same height 6'3"), comfortable sleeping arrangements, a pilot house, easily handled by two persons, space for seating, entertaining, cooking and a seperate engine room. Our boat Cal Cruising 46 Hull #3, SATORI, which is from Zen Buddhism, a word describing being where you wanted to be, satisfied all of those needs. We lived aboard 18 of the last 22 years, cruising nine of those years and would still be living aboard except for health problems. I am sure you have scrutinized the plans or layouts of the two, so you are aware of our large vee berth, with a forward head, our galley/pilot house with a dinnette that can be converted to a bed, the large stateroom which is almost perfectly amidships for comfort while underway, the large aft head with a seperate shower which is accesible from deck via a ladder, and the large engine room,(about 10' long), with easy access to the engine, genset, autopilot, water maker, work bench, 50 gallon day tank and storage. Under the pilot house sole, accessed by going forward into the vee berth and removing the 3 step ladder, are the two 175 gallon diesel tanks, six six volt deep cycle batteries, 3.5 KW inverter, air conditioner, refrigerator and freezer machinery, plus 4 storage lockers down each side. Of course this must be entered on one's belly. Now why I like this arrangement better than the Cal 2-46: - the unique appearance, i.e., "cab forward" w/space on the deck for a 12' aluminum dink -the cockpit arrangement is perfect, for us, comfortable and you can raise, lower, reef sails, see where you are going, actually drive the boat from outside the cockpit from the starboard side deck which is important in close in manuevering. The cockpit is directly over the best single sleeping place on the boat, the main saloon sofa, so when on night watch, you merely stamp your feet for help. -the aft engine vee drive arrangement allows peace and quiet in the pilot house. The vee drive has never been a problem, just change the oil and assure alignment. Walters Vee drives are very robust and in over 43 years of usage has not been an issue. Jack took SATORI around the world before he died and I bought her in 1982. I have over 3,500 hours on the "new" engine I installed in 1987 before we retired and left Long Beach, CA - having enough fuel capacity, 400 gallons, to motor 2,000 miles and keep my ice cream frozen solid I could go on and on, but would sound like a cheerleader for CC46's. Now, we are faced with a dilemma I had never even thought of, health issues that may prohibit any future offshore cruising. In November 2007, I had a hip replacement which took care of that problem, but the OR was dirty and I got infected. After being reopened 3 times and massive doses of the antibiotic gentamacin, I about croaked. The two docs did not monitor the blood lab reports, so I have ended up with 100% vestibular dysfunction - NO Balance! In addition, side effects of vestibulopathy include the inability to multi task, impaired cognitive functions, easily fatigued due to the energy required to maintain my balance, walking with a cane, not being able to climb even a step ladder, much less a mast. Since I was damaged, we have taken SATORI out of her slip, behind our house two times - Yes 2 times in 3 years! *&&%$$#@! I am not ready to give up cruising, but .....? Sure, we can take someone else along, but we have always done all of our passages with just us two. My wife, Bobbie is younger than I and in excellent health, but she just turned 58 and is feeling some pain. This year we intend to sail a few miles out into the Gulf and see how we can handle it. Having a boat like SATORI and the perfect spousal unit, being able to sail away when we desired was my life's dream. We gave up our Cal 25 and my 22' center console fishing boat because I could not handle them, even in the bay. I still get teary eyed when I think of a future without SATORI, but.... Soryy for getting so long winded, but you asked. Bottom line is for our uses the CC46 has been perfect and a far better choice than a Cal 2-46. Tom Vandiver From: Nick <qg… [at] shaw.ca> To: bs… [at] yahoo.com Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 12:08:42 AM Subject: Cal CC46 vs. 2-46 Hi Tom - this is offline but if you'd like to reply on the list please do so; what I'd like to know is your well-informed opinion of the merits of the CC46 layout vs. the 2-46. They both seem pretty good to me, but I've never actually bn aboard a CC46 and also wonder about the added complexity of the V-Drive (assume you have that on Santori); is that much of an issue? Best regards - Nick

Hi Tom, About a year ago I responded to an add on craigslist for a Simex mk2 sextant. When I reached the home of the seller I responded to the painting over the fireplace. "Is that your Cal 46?" That started a conversation. The couple(Ican't remember their name) owned and cruised their 46 and the sextant had been on board SATORI and was Jack Jensen"s The charming lady had cruised with Jack before she had married the gentleman who sold the sextant to me. I almost feel it should be in a museum somewhere. Small world. Mike Farrell Cal 20 Rambler #1114 & Cal20 Coyote #61 From: Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> To: Nick <qg… [at] shaw.ca>; Cal List <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 2:13:28 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal CC46 vs. 2-46 Hi Nick, I guess 28 years of owning the same boat does lend some credibility. We were attracted to the CC46 due to our plans; long distance cruising and liveaboard. I wanted a sound, weatherkindly boat with standing headroom, (Jack Jensen and I were/are the same height 6'3"), comfortable sleeping arrangements, a pilot house, easily handled by two persons, space for seating, entertaining, cooking and a seperate engine room. Our boat Cal Cruising 46 Hull #3, SATORI, which is from Zen Buddhism, a word describing being where you wanted to be, satisfied all of those needs. We lived aboard 18 of the last 22 years, cruising nine of those years and would still be living aboard except for health problems. I am sure you have scrutinized the plans or layouts of the two, so you are aware of our large vee berth, with a forward head, our galley/pilot house with a dinnette that can be converted to a bed, the large stateroom which is almost perfectly amidships for comfort while underway, the large aft head with a seperate shower which is accesible from deck via a ladder, and the large engine room,(about 10' long), with easy access to the engine, genset, autopilot, water maker, work bench, 50 gallon day tank and storage. Under the pilot house sole, accessed by going forward into the vee berth and removing the 3 step ladder, are the two 175 gallon diesel tanks, six six volt deep cycle batteries, 3.5 KW inverter, air conditioner, refrigerator and freezer machinery, plus 4 storage lockers down each side. Of course this must be entered on one's belly. Now why I like this arrangement better than the Cal 2-46: - the unique appearance, i.e., "cab forward" w/space on the deck for a 12' aluminum dink -the cockpit arrangement is perfect, for us, comfortable and you can raise, lower, reef sails, see where you are going, actually drive the boat from outside the cockpit from the starboard side deck which is important in close in manuevering. The cockpit is directly over the best single sleeping place on the boat, the main saloon sofa, so when on night watch, you merely stamp your feet for help. -the aft engine vee drive arrangement allows peace and quiet in the pilot house. The vee drive has never been a problem, just change the oil and assure alignment. Walters Vee drives are very robust and in over 43 years of usage has not been an issue. Jack took SATORI around the world before he died and I bought her in 1982. I have over 3,500 hours on the "new" engine I installed in 1987 before we retired and left Long Beach, CA - having enough fuel capacity, 400 gallons, to motor 2,000 miles and keep my ice cream frozen solid I could go on and on, but would sound like a cheerleader for CC46's. Now, we are faced with a dilemma I had never even thought of, health issues that may prohibit any future offshore cruising. In November 2007, I had a hip replacement which took care of that problem, but the OR was dirty and I got infected. After being reopened 3 times and massive doses of the antibiotic gentamacin, I about croaked. The two docs did not monitor the blood lab reports, so I have ended up with 100% vestibular dysfunction - NO Balance! In addition, side effects of vestibulopathy include the inability to multi task, impaired cognitive functions, easily fatigued due to the energy required to maintain my balance, walking with a cane, not being able to climb even a step ladder, much less a mast. Since I was damaged, we have taken SATORI out of her slip, behind our house two times - Yes 2 times in 3 years! *&&%$$#@! I am not ready to give up cruising, but .....? Sure, we can take someone else along, but we have always done all of our passages with just us two. My wife, Bobbie is younger than I and in excellent health, but she just turned 58 and is feeling some pain. This year we intend to sail a few miles out into the Gulf and see how we can handle it. Having a boat like SATORI and the perfect spousal unit, being able to sail away when we desired was my life's dream. We gave up our Cal 25 and my 22' center console fishing boat because I could not handle them, even in the bay. I still get teary eyed when I think of a future without SATORI, but.... Soryy for getting so long winded, but you asked. Bottom line is for our uses the CC46 has been perfect and a far better choice than a Cal 2-46. Tom Vandiver From: Nick <qg… [at] shaw.ca> To: bs… [at] yahoo.com Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 12:08:42 AM Subject: Cal CC46 vs. 2-46 Hi Tom - this is offline but if you'd like to reply on the list please do so; what I'd like to know is your well-informed opinion of the merits of the CC46 layout vs. the 2-46. They both seem pretty good to me, but I've never actually bn aboard a CC46 and also wonder about the added complexity of the V-Drive (assume you have that on Santori); is that much of an issue? Best regards - Nick

Wow Tom, that's a brilliant description from one who knows; you've addressed the issues of how they differ just as needed. And it's easy to see how much enjoyment that Satori has given. I deeply sympathise with your health problems and can well understand the frustration; don't give up hope on recovery or on sailing yet - it's amazing how much the body can come back given enough time. I was asking because we plan taking on a Cal 46 as the third partner in marriage ;-) in the near future, and then sail into the sunset. Almost did it a while back but the economy intervened. When we do the choice will be limited by what's available of course, and the CC46's are rare, but knowing the relative advantages will be a great help. Thanks much - Nick From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Vandiver Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 2:13 AM To: Nick; Cal List Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal CC46 vs. 2-46 Hi Nick, I guess 28 years of owning the same boat does lend some credibility. We were attracted to the CC46 due to our plans; long distance cruising and liveaboard. I wanted a sound, weatherkindly boat with standing headroom, (Jack Jensen and I were/are the same height 6'3"), comfortable sleeping arrangements, a pilot house, easily handled by two persons, space for seating, entertaining, cooking and a seperate engine room. Our boat Cal Cruising 46 Hull #3, SATORI, which is from Zen Buddhism, a word describing being where you wanted to be, satisfied all of those needs. We lived aboard 18 of the last 22 years, cruising nine of those years and would still be living aboard except for health problems. [>] snip

Aloha Nick ~ We have a Cal 46 and I have to totally agree with Tom on all his points. Our's is up for sale for $79,000 in Honolulu if you want to start sailing into the sunset via the Pacific! We lived onboard for 8 years at the Ala Wai Marina next to Waikiki but health issues also forced me off the boat...sigh. Pictures are in our photo album that we posted here - I think it's titled 46 Cal in Honolulu. I also have a slideshow and a video of her last dry dock in case you are just curious as to the layout. Just contact me and I'll email them to you. Jen and Captain Ron --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Nick Evans" <qgold.77@...> wrote: > > Wow Tom, that's a brilliant description from one who knows; you've addressed > the issues of how they differ just as needed. And it's easy to see how much > enjoyment that Satori has given. I deeply sympathise with your health > problems and can well understand the frustration; don't give up hope on > recovery or on sailing yet - it's amazing how much the body can come back > given enough time. > > I was asking because we plan taking on a Cal 46 as the third partner in > marriage ;-) in the near future, and then sail into the sunset. Almost did > it a while back but the economy intervened. When we do the choice will be > limited by what's available of course, and the CC46's are rare, but knowing > the relative advantages will be a great help. > > Thanks much - Nick > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Tom Vandiver > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 2:13 AM > To: Nick; Cal List > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal CC46 vs. 2-46 > > > > > Hi Nick, > > I guess 28 years of owning the same boat does lend some credibility. We were > attracted to the CC46 due to our plans; long distance cruising and > liveaboard. I wanted a sound, weatherkindly boat with standing headroom, > (Jack Jensen and I were/are the same height 6'3"), comfortable sleeping > arrangements, a pilot house, easily handled by two persons, space for > seating, entertaining, cooking and a seperate engine room. Our boat Cal > Cruising 46 Hull #3, SATORI, which is from Zen Buddhism, a word describing > being where you wanted to be, satisfied all of those needs. We lived aboard > 18 of the last 22 years, cruising nine of those years and would still be > living aboard except for health problems. > [>] snip >

Hi Jen & Ron - thanks for your note; I'll contact you off-list. Regards - Nick --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Jen and Captain Ron" <gently444@...> wrote: > > Aloha Nick ~ We have a Cal 46 and I have to totally agree with Tom on all his points.

I have to agree with Tom I have owned hull number 14 for about 21 years and she is a well built well thought out cruiser have had many people tell me she is a mortorsailor but when we past them with sail only i have scene many suprised faces great great bot gene From: Jen and Captain Ron <ge… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 9:14:24 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal CC46 vs. 2-46 Aloha Nick ~ We have a Cal 46 and I have to totally agree with Tom on all his points. Our's is up for sale for $79,000 in Honolulu if you want to start sailing into the sunset via the Pacific! We lived onboard for 8 years at the Ala Wai Marina next to Waikiki but health issues also forced me off the boat...sigh. Pictures are in our photo album that we posted here - I think it's titled 46 Cal in Honolulu. I also have a slideshow and a video of her last dry dock in case you are just curious as to the layout. Just contact me and I'll email them to you. Jen and Captain Ron --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Nick Evans" <qgold.77@.. .> wrote: > > Wow Tom, that's a brilliant description from one who knows; you've addressed > the issues of how they differ just as needed. And it's easy to see how much > enjoyment that Satori has given. I deeply sympathise with your health > problems and can well understand the frustration; don't give up hope on > recovery or on sailing yet - it's amazing how much the body can come back > given enough time. > > I was asking because we plan taking on a Cal 46 as the third partner in > marriage ;-) in the near future, and then sail into the sunset. Almost did > it a while back but the economy intervened. When we do the choice will be > limited by what's available of course, and the CC46's are rare, but knowing > the relative advantages will be a great help. > > Thanks much - Nick > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf > Of Tom Vandiver > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 2:13 AM > To: Nick; Cal List > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal CC46 vs. 2-46 > > > > > Hi Nick, > > I guess 28 years of owning the same boat does lend some credibility. We were > attracted to the CC46 due to our plans; long distance cruising and > liveaboard. I wanted a sound, weatherkindly boat with standing headroom, > (Jack Jensen and I were/are the same height 6'3"), comfortable sleeping > arrangements, a pilot house, easily handled by two persons, space for > seating, entertaining, cooking and a seperate engine room. Our boat Cal > Cruising 46 Hull #3, SATORI, which is from Zen Buddhism, a word describing > being where you wanted to be, satisfied all of those needs. We lived aboard > 18 of the last 22 years, cruising nine of those years and would still be > living aboard except for health problems. > [>] snip >