lube for turnbuckles

Listmates, The lovely Cal 20, /Martha C/, will probably be launched this week. This must be a record for me but our early spring and some other later obligations got me working early. Last week I went out and cleaned the old Johnson closed-body stainless steel turnbuckles, and the only lube I had was some anhydrous lanolin. What's a better choice for turnbuckle lube? Chris Campbell

Chris, how about a WD 40 treatment to loosen the crud, followed by an acetone cleaning to get the WD 40, followed by dry lube (aerosol spray can). Just make sure you have a good locking mechanism for the buckles. I would normally do the first two, but I do not typically lube the buckles. I use the dry lube in many other places though, e.g., track, blocks, ...) Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:09 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] lube for turnbuckles Listmates, The lovely Cal 20, Martha C, will probably be launched this week. This must be a record for me but our early spring and some other later obligations got me working early. Last week I went out and cleaned the old Johnson closed-body stainless steel turnbuckles, and the only lube I had was some anhydrous lanolin. What's a better choice for turnbuckle lube? Chris Campbell

Chris, I am not sure what is "better". I chose Lanacote (marine brand of the Anhydrous Lanolin) for several reasons. Briefly: - the moisture protection of surface materials -non-staining - it is better than no lube or Teflon spray that dissipates quickly Even thought the lanacote is 'sticky' it seems to be a bit of a lubricant on the threaded fittings, more so than dry or corroded stainless. I use it on all my stainless connections, turnbuckles, lifeline adjustments, etc. YMMV JOhn From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:09 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] lube for turnbuckles Listmates, The lovely Cal 20, Martha C, will probably be launched this week. This must be a record for me but our early spring and some other later obligations got me working early. Last week I went out and cleaned the old Johnson closed-body stainless steel turnbuckles, and the only lube I had was some anhydrous lanolin. What's a better choice for turnbuckle lube? Chris Campbell

john raxter wrote: > > > Chris, > > > > I am not sure what is "better". I chose Lanacote (marine brand of the > Anhydrous Lanolin) for several reasons. Briefly: > I like having some lube on the stainless, too, after reading about the tendency of stainless-on-stainless surfaces to gall. My other boat had open-body bronze turnbuckles and they do fine with no lube at all. But these Johnson stainless ones seem to get stubborn. I'll leave the lanolin on mine this summer and see what the reults are. And I'll know soon: /Martha C/, the pretty Cal 20, launches tomorrow! This is early. I got the mooring ball out on Friday and got the winter cover off the boat yesterday. Chris Campbell

Mates, I vote for pure silicon grease. It's is used for lubricating seals in three way valves that are exposed to chlorinated, salty, high velocity, heated pool water. My experiance is that it completely protected my aluminum mast from galling by galvanic reaction from stainless steel sheet metal screws after several years exposure. You can get it at a pool supply store. Lately I have been using it to protect any steel screw insertion into aluminum, which is common in solar hot water panels, and replacing lag screws driven into redwood. Cadmimum plated lags are rusted to dust by tanic acid in moist redwood. I'm using only zinc dipped now, and dabbing the holes and screw ends with silicon grease. It comes in a large squeeze tube, like toothpaste, so it's very handy to work with. --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] lube for turnbuckles To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 8:42 AM john raxter wrote: Chris, I am not sure what is “better”. I chose Lanacote (marine brand of the Anhydrous Lanolin) for several reasons. Briefly: I like having some lube on the stainless, too, after reading about the tendency of stainless-on- stainless surfaces to gall. My other boat had open-body bronze turnbuckles and they do fine with no lube at all. But these Johnson stainless ones seem to get stubborn. I'll leave the lanolin on mine this summer and see what the reults are. And I'll know soon: Martha C, the pretty Cal 20, launches tomorrow! This is early. I got the mooring ball out on Friday and got the winter cover off the boat yesterday. Chris Campbell

Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > Mates, > I vote for pure silicon grease. > You use sand for a lubricant? Or did you just forget the "e" on "silicone?" Chris Campbell > It's is used for lubricating seals in three way valves that are > exposed to chlorinated, salty, high velocity, heated pool water. My > experiance is that it completely protected my aluminum mast from > galling by galvanic reaction from stainless steel sheet metal screws > after several years exposure. You can get it at a pool supply store. > Lately I have been using it to protect any steel screw insertion into > aluminum, which is common in solar hot water panels, and replacing lag > screws driven into redwood. Cadmimum plated lags are rusted to dust by > tanic acid in moist redwood. I'm using only zinc dipped now, and > dabbing the holes and screw ends with silicon grease. It comes in a > large squeeze tube, like toothpaste, so it's very handy to work with. > > --- On *Tue, 4/27/10, Chris Campbell > /<cl… [at] charterinternet.com>/* wrote: > >

--- On Tue, 4/27/10, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: 'You use sand as a lubricant?' Nope, not Silicon dioxide, actually, this: Silicone grease is a waterproof grease made by combining a silicone oil with a thickener. Most commonly, the silicone oil is polydimethylsiloxane and the thickener is amorphous fumed silica. Using this formulation, silicone grease is a translucent white viscous paste, with exact properties dependent on the type and proportion of the components. Silicon is an essential element in this grease, but I stand corrected. Jerry PS: (I got out of the bed on the right side, but unfortunately I put my head on backwards because I took some muscle relaxants before hitting the rack, for me bad back, I'm still sleepy and my back still aches. I think I must have cross threaded my head too, cause me neck hurts as well..nothing like drilling your body head first into the side of a mountain with a hang glider in '81, looking for a short cut to China, that's before global something or other melted the arctic ice and opened the Northwest Passage to us sailors. But, maybe I'll have better luck with me turnbuckles)

I knew what you meant, Jerry. Just one question. On a hot day does the stuff start to drip down your mast like a dude with Brylcream in his hair. I have been using Lanocote. I just read on a web site that 8-18 stainless (the screws I use) does not react with aluminum. Any truth? http://www.finishing.com/156/25.shtml Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:08 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] lube for turnbuckles --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: 'You use sand as a lubricant?' Nope, not Silicon dioxide, actually, this: Silicone grease is a waterproof grease<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grease_%28lubricant%29> made by combining a silicone oil<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_oil> with a thickener. Most commonly, the silicone oil is polydimethylsiloxane<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydimethylsiloxane> and the thickener is amorphous fumed silica<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumed_silica>. Using this formulation, silicone grease is a translucent white viscous paste, with exact properties dependent on the type and proportion of the components. Silicon is an essential element in this grease, but I stand corrected. Jerry PS: (I got out of the bed on the right side, but unfortunately I put my head on backwards because I took some muscle relaxants before hitting the rack, for me bad back, I'm still sleepy and my back still aches. I think I must have cross threaded my head too, cause me neck hurts as well..nothing like drilling your body head first into the side of a mountain with a hang glider in '81, looking for a short cut to China, that's before global something or other melted the arctic ice and opened the Northwest Passage to us sailors. But, maybe I'll have better luck with me turnbuckles)

Charlie, the part I removed from my mast that had silicon..woops! silicone grease on it was a carbon reinforced whiskerpole ring, mounted on the leading edge of the mast. There was no corrosion on the holes in the mast. I use it on screws going into hot water solar panels, lots of moisture and heat developing daily, and 300 degree temps inside them...they will melt the polyethelene pipe insulation off the pipes for 100' if the system stagnates (pump or control failure). So normal weather would have no effect. What's nice is that it prevents the steel from rusting, and the parts, like glass frames, motor valve coupling screws (carbon steel into brass, dripped on by swim pool water and evaporated to concentrate the salts) come apart easily years later for servicing. Another trick I've learned is using teflon tape pipe dope on metal threads of bolts, for example, the linkage bolts on outboard motor mounts, to prevent the nuts from backing away from vibration and falling into the drink while motoring. Haven't had one nut come lose since I've started doing this. The teflon tape is probably ok for steel bolts tapped into aluminum, or, you could combine the two. I guess any type of pipe thread dope paste might work well, too. Jerry --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] lube for turnbuckles To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 7:16 PM I knew what you meant, Jerry. Just one question. On a hot day does the stuff start to drip down your mast like a dude with Brylcream in his hair. I have been using Lanocote. I just read on a web site that 8-18 stainless (the screws I use) does not react with aluminum. Any truth? http://www.finishin g.com/156/ 25.shtml Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:08 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] lube for turnbuckles --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@charteri nternet.com> wrote: 'You use sand as a lubricant?' Nope, not Silicon dioxide, actually, this: Silicone grease is a waterproof grease made by combining a silicone oil with a thickener. Most commonly, the silicone oil is polydimethylsiloxan e and the thickener is amorphous fumed silica. Using this formulation, silicone grease is a translucent white viscous paste, with exact properties dependent on the type and proportion of the components. Silicon is an essential element in this grease, but I stand corrected. Jerry PS: (I got out of the bed on the right side, but unfortunately I put my head on backwards because I took some muscle relaxants before hitting the rack, for me bad back, I'm still sleepy and my back still aches. I think I must have cross threaded my head too, cause me neck hurts as well..nothing like drilling your body head first into the side of a mountain with a hang glider in '81, looking for a short cut to China, that's before global something or other melted the arctic ice and opened the Northwest Passage to us sailors. But, maybe I'll have better luck with me turnbuckles)

http://l-36.com/superlube.php This stuff is great. Allen On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com > wrote: > > > I knew what you meant, Jerry. Just one question. On a hot day does the > stuff start to drip down your mast like a dude with Brylcream in his hair. > I have been using Lanocote. > > I just read on a web site that 8-18 stainless (the screws I use) does not > react with aluminum. Any truth? > > http://www.finishing.com/156/25.shtml > > Cheers > Charlie > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Gerald Sobel > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:08 PM > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] lube for turnbuckles > > > > --- On *Tue, 4/27/10, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com>*wrote: > > > 'You use sand as a lubricant?' > > Nope, not Silicon dioxide, actually, this: > *Silicone grease* is a waterproof grease<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grease_%28lubricant%29>made by combining a silicone > oil <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_oil> with a thickener. Most > commonly, the silicone oil is polydimethylsiloxane<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydimethylsiloxane>and the thickener is amorphous fumed > silica <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumed_silica>. Using this > formulation, silicone grease is a translucent white viscous paste, with > exact properties dependent on the type and proportion of the components. > > Silicon is an essential element in this grease, but I stand corrected. > Jerry > PS: > (I got out of the bed on the right side, but unfortunately I put my head on > backwards because I took some muscle relaxants before hitting the rack, for > me bad back, I'm still sleepy and my back still aches. I think I must have > cross threaded my head too, cause me neck hurts as well..nothing like > drilling your body head first into the side of a mountain with a hang glider > in '81, looking for a short cut to China, that's before global something or > other melted the arctic ice and opened the Northwest Passage to us sailors. > But, maybe I'll have better luck with me turnbuckles) > > > > >