Life Line Coating Removal

All, We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? Thanks, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2

Coated lifelines are hard to check for fatigue so it is a safety issue. If your lines are more than 5 years old simply replace them. I think you could remove the coating with a sharp blade. That is what we do when we swedge fittings to it but it may be harder to do on older wire that has weathered for some years. It will take some time, try a small section and if it doesn't work go to plan B. My Best, Mike From: "ng… [at] comcast.net" <ng… [at] comcast.net> To: "List, Cal" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 5:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal All, We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? Thanks, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2

I wonder why they haven't considered something like Amsteel, or another of the new high density polyethylene lines? Stronger, lighter, sun resistant, non corroding? Only some creep when under constant tension, but some of the newer formulations are anti creep. They use vinyl covered lines on hang gliders, probably not such a good idea, as the nickle oxide exterior coating when reacting with air is what prevents the stainless steel from corroding and weakening. Better to fall in the drink then fall from the sky, unless you have enough altitude for your chute to open vs. dying from hypothermia. Morbid, huh? Jerry --- On Wed, 4/28/10, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 2:22 AM Coated lifelines are hard to check for fatigue so it is a safety issue. If your lines are more than 5 years old simply replace them. I think you could remove the coating with a sharp blade. That is what we do when we swedge fittings to it but it may be harder to do on older wire that has weathered for some years. It will take some time, try a small section and if it doesn't work go to plan B. My Best, Mike From: "ngeisz741@comcast. net" <ngeisz741@comcast. net> To: "List, Cal" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 5:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal All, We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? Thanks, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2

I have attempted this with a utility knife. Not easy. The coated cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic which had seeped between the strands. All I could get off was the top layer. I quit the job. If I were to try it again I would try a heat gun and see if that made it any easier. The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that may have contributed to the difficulty. Sorry I don't have any more encouraging answer. Regards, Wayne From: "ng… [at] comcast.net" <ng… [at] comcast.net> To: "List, Cal" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal All, We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? Thanks, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2

Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften the stuff up. I've never used the coated cable so do not know. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal I have attempted this with a utility knife. Not easy. The coated cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic which had seeped between the strands. All I could get off was the top layer. I quit the job. If I were to try it again I would try a heat gun and see if that made it any easier. The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that may have contributed to the difficulty. Sorry I don't have any more encouraging answer. Regards, Wayne From: "ng… [at] comcast.net" <ng… [at] comcast.net> To: "List, Cal" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal All, We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? Thanks, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2

Carcinogens are nearly always useful in these situations. I just don't know which toxin to apply. It is entirely possible that Acetone is a solvent for the plastic coating. On the serious side: I wouldn't try it because you would have to dip the cable into the Acetone and let it steep for a bit. Acetone evaporates very rapidly so you would have to do it outside keep away from it as much as possible. Because the cable can only be coiled to a fairly large loop you would probably have to use a kinda big tub which would have a lot of surface area for evaporation. I think it might also be a bit of a fire hazard. I think I would try heat. Besides, the heat can provide plenty of excitement and danger all by itself. Regards, Wayne From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 9:53:27 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften the stuff up. I've never used the coated cable so do not know. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal I have attempted this with a utility knife. Not easy. The coated cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic which had seeped between the strands. All I could get off was the top layer. I quit the job. If I were to try it again I would try a heat gun and see if that made it any easier. The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that may have contributed to the difficulty. Sorry I don't have any more encouraging answer. Regards, Wayne From: "ngeisz741@comcast. net" <ngeisz741@comcast. net> To: "List, Cal" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal All, We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? Thanks, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2

Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire under that old coating. Joe DeMers On 4/28/2010 10:10 AM, Wayne Gillikin wrote: > > > Carcinogens are nearly always useful in these situations. I just > don't know which toxin to apply. It is entirely possible that Acetone > is a solvent for the plastic coating. On the serious side: I wouldn't > try it because you would have to dip the cable into the Acetone and > let it steep for a bit. Acetone evaporates very rapidly so you would > have to do it outside keep away from it as much as possible. Because > the cable can only be coiled to a fairly large loop you would probably > have to use a kinda big tub which would have a lot of surface area for > evaporation. I think it might also be a bit of a fire hazard. I > think I would try heat. Besides, the heat can provide plenty of > excitement and danger all by itself. > > Regards, > Wayne > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wed, April 28, 2010 9:53:27 AM > *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal > > Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften the > stuff up. I've never used the coated cable so do not know. > Cheers > Charlie > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup > s.com] *On Behalf Of *Wayne Gillikin > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal > > I have attempted this with a utility knife. Not easy. The coated > cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic > which had seeped between the strands. All I could get off was the top > layer. I quit the job. If I were to try it again I would try a heat > gun and see if that made it any easier. The coating on my cable was > very old and hard and that may have contributed to the difficulty. > Sorry I don't have any more encouraging answer. > > Regards, > Wayne > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* "ngeisz741@comcast. net" <ngeisz741@comcast. net> > *To:* "List, Cal" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> > *Sent:* Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal > > All, > > We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It > starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to > Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class > you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. > > NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. > Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless > Steel. > > Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly > and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? > > Thanks, > > Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2839 - Release Date: 04/27/10 14:27:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

But, Wayne, women use acetone, not heat, to take the polish off their finger nails. I remember the good old electronics lab days when we used to buy trichloroethane by the 55 gallon drum. Also, hobby shops used to sell bottles of carbon tetrachloride for checking stamp watermarks. Now those were days when men were men and imbeciles were created by aromatic formulations. Whatever happened to Darwinian selection? Funky idea. Get a piece of hose and run the cable into it. Fill the hose with your chemical du jour (keeping both ends at equal height, of course). Then if the hose does not melt, we have some possibilities. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:10 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Carcinogens are nearly always useful in these situations. I just don't know which toxin to apply. It is entirely possible that Acetone is a solvent for the plastic coating. On the serious side: I wouldn't try it because you would have to dip the cable into the Acetone and let it steep for a bit. Acetone evaporates very rapidly so you would have to do it outside keep away from it as much as possible. Because the cable can only be coiled to a fairly large loop you would probably have to use a kinda big tub which would have a lot of surface area for evaporation. I think it might also be a bit of a fire hazard. I think I would try heat. Besides, the heat can provide plenty of excitement and danger all by itself. Regards, Wayne From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 9:53:27 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften the stuff up. I've never used the coated cable so do not know. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal I have attempted this with a utility knife. Not easy. The coated cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic which had seeped between the strands. All I could get off was the top layer. I quit the job. If I were to try it again I would try a heat gun and see if that made it any easier. The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that may have contributed to the difficulty. Sorry I don't have any more encouraging answer. Regards, Wayne From: "ngeisz741@comcast. net" <ngeisz741@comcast. net> To: "List, Cal" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal All, We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? Thanks, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2

Unless I'm reading it wrong, the latest from US Sailing seems to allow Dyneema lifelines. See page 11: http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-[8165].pdf<http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-[8165].pdf> My SS lifelines are now about 6 years old, and ready to be replaced, just because. Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe DeMers<mailto:je… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire under that old coating. Joe DeMers On 4/28/2010 10:10 AM, Wayne Gillikin wrote: Carcinogens are nearly always useful in these situations. I just don't know which toxin to apply. It is entirely possible that Acetone is a solvent for the plastic coating. On the serious side: I wouldn't try it because you would have to dip the cable into the Acetone and let it steep for a bit. Acetone evaporates very rapidly so you would have to do it outside keep away from it as much as possible. Because the cable can only be coiled to a fairly large loop you would probably have to use a kinda big tub which would have a lot of surface area for evaporation. I think it might also be a bit of a fire hazard. I think I would try heat. Besides, the heat can provide plenty of excitement and danger all by itself. Regards, Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com><mailto:hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com"<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 9:53:27 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften the stuff up. I've never used the coated cable so do not know. Cheers Charlie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_<mailto:Cal_> Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal I have attempted this with a utility knife. Not easy. The coated cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic which had seeped between the strands. All I could get off was the top layer. I quit the job. If I were to try it again I would try a heat gun and see if that made it any easier. The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that may have contributed to the difficulty. Sorry I don't have any more encouraging answer. Regards, Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ngeisz741@comcast. net"<mailto:ng… [at] comcast.net> <ngeisz741@comcast. net><mailto:ng… [at] comcast.net> To: "List, Cal" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal All, We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? Thanks, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/> Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2839 - Release Date: 04/27/10 14:27:00 -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com<http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> phone & fax (860) 666-2184

I think you might be on the right track! From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 10:22:53 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal But, Wayne, women use acetone, not heat, to take the polish off their finger nails. I remember the good old electronics lab days when we used to buy trichloroethane by the 55 gallon drum. Also, hobby shops used to sell bottles of carbon tetrachloride for checking stamp watermarks. Now those were days when men were men and imbeciles were created by aromatic formulations. Whatever happened to Darwinian selection? Funky idea. Get a piece of hose and run the cable into it. Fill the hose with your chemical du jour (keeping both ends at equal height, of course). Then if the hose does not melt, we have some possibilities. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:10 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Carcinogens are nearly always useful in these situations. I just don't know which toxin to apply. It is entirely possible that Acetone is a solvent for the plastic coating. On the serious side: I wouldn't try it because you would have to dip the cable into the Acetone and let it steep for a bit. Acetone evaporates very rapidly so you would have to do it outside keep away from it as much as possible. Because the cable can only be coiled to a fairly large loop you would probably have to use a kinda big tub which would have a lot of surface area for evaporation. I think it might also be a bit of a fire hazard. I think I would try heat. Besides, the heat can provide plenty of excitement and danger all by itself. Regards, Wayne From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: "Cal_Boats@yahoogro ups.com" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 9:53:27 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften the stuff up. I've never used the coated cable so do not know. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal I have attempted this with a utility knife. Not easy. The coated cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic which had seeped between the strands. All I could get off was the top layer. I quit the job. If I were to try it again I would try a heat gun and see if that made it any easier. The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that may have contributed to the difficulty. Sorry I don't have any more encouraging answer. Regards, Wayne From: "ngeisz741@comcast. net" <ngeisz741@comcast. net> To: "List, Cal" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal All, We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? Thanks, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2

Fin, You are correct, but I am not aware of the hardware (toggle / swage / eyes) available to attach and adjust the life line if it is Dyneema. If anyone can advise, that may be the way to go. Thanks, Nick From: "Fin Beven" <fi… [at] msn.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:24:15 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Unless I'm reading it wrong, the latest from US Sailing seems to allow Dyneema lifelines. See page 11: http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-[8165].pdf My SS lifelines are now about 6 years old, and ready to be replaced, just because. Fin. From: Joe DeMers To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire under that old coating. Joe DeMers On 4/28/2010 10:10 AM, Wayne Gillikin wrote: Carcinogens are nearly always useful in these situations. I just don't know which toxin to apply. It is entirely possible that Acetone is a solvent for the plastic coating. On the serious side: I wouldn't try it because you would have to dip the cable into the Acetone and let it steep for a bit. Acetone evaporates very rapidly so you would have to do it outside keep away from it as much as possible. Because the cable can only be coiled to a fairly large loop you would probably have to use a kinda big tub which would have a lot of surface area for evaporation. I think it might also be a bit of a fire hazard. I think I would try heat. Besides, the heat can provide plenty of excitement and danger all by itself. Regards, Wayne From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 9:53:27 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften the stuff up. I've never used the coated cable so do not know. Cheers C harlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [ mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal I have attempted this with a utility knife. Not easy. The coated cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic which had seeped between the strands. All I could get off was the top layer. I quit the job. If I were to try it again I would try a heat gun and see if that made it any easier. The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that may have contributed to the difficulty. Sorry I don't have any more encouraging answer. Regards, Wayne From: "ngeisz741@comcast. net" <ngeisz741@comcast. net> To: "List, Cal" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal All, We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? Thanks, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2839 - Release Date: 04/27/10 14:27:00 -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184

The fittings exist, many chandleries including West Marine carry them. As I recall they have a little larger eye on them to reduce the sharp bend of the bail/rope connection. I am having these Dyneema lines installed on Cal Gal, using eye splice looped at the bow and an eye splice looped to a fitting in the stern.. I will be curious as to how much they sag when the line gets wet. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ng… [at] comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:14 AM To: Cal Boats Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Fin, You are correct, but I am not aware of the hardware (toggle / swage / eyes) available to attach and adjust the life line if it is Dyneema. If anyone can advise, that may be the way to go. Thanks, Nick From: "Fin Beven" <fi… [at] msn.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:24:15 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Unless I'm reading it wrong, the latest from US Sailing seems to allow Dyneema lifelines. See page 11: http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-[8165].pdf<http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-%5b8165%5d.pdf> My SS lifelines are now about 6 years old, and ready to be replaced, just because. Fin. From: Joe DeMers<mailto:je… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire under that old coating. Joe DeMers On 4/28/2010 10:10 AM, Wayne Gillikin wrote: Carcinogens are nearly always useful in these situations. I just don't know which toxin to apply. It is entirely possible that Acetone is a solvent for the plastic coating. On the serious side: I wouldn't try it because you would have to dip the cable into the Acetone and let it steep for a bit. Acetone evaporates very rapidly so you would have to do it outside keep away from it as much as possible. Because the cable can only be coiled to a fairly large loop you would probably have to use a kinda big tub which would have a lot of surface area for evaporation. I think it might also be a bit of a fire hazard. I think I would try heat. Besides, the heat can provide plenty of excitement and danger all by itself. Regards, Wayne From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com><mailto:hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com"<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 9:53:27 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften the stuff up. I've never used the coated cable so do not know. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal I have attempted this with a utility knife. Not easy. The coated cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic which had seeped between the strands. All I could get off was the top layer. I quit the job. If I were to try it again I would try a heat gun and see if that made it any easier. The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that may have contributed to the difficulty. Sorry I don't have any more encouraging answer. Regards, Wayne From: "ngeisz741@comcast. net"<mailto:ng… [at] comcast.net> <ngeisz741@comcast. net><mailto:ng… [at] comcast.net> To: "List, Cal" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal All, We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? Thanks, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/> Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2839 - Release Date: 04/27/10 14:27:00 -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com<http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> phone & fax (860) 666-2184

Fin, I read the same thing, it is in red so it is a new requirement.&nbsp; Randy Cal 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca -- Sent from my Palm Pixi On Apr 28, 2010 7:24, Fin Beven &lt;fi… [at] msn.com&gt; wrote: &nbsp; Unless I'm reading it wrong, the latest from US Sailing seems to allow Dyneema lifelines.&nbsp; See page 11: &nbsp; http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-[8165].pdf &nbsp; My SS lifelines are now about 6 years old, and ready to be replaced, just because. &nbsp; Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe DeMers To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire under that old coating. Joe DeMers On 4/28/2010 10:10 AM, Wayne Gillikin wrote: Carcinogens are nearly always useful in these situations.&nbsp; I just don't know which toxin to apply.&nbsp; It is entirely possible that Acetone is a solvent for the plastic coating.&nbsp; On the serious side: I wouldn't try it because you would have to dip the cable into the Acetone and let it steep for a bit.&nbsp; Acetone evaporates very rapidly so you would have to do it outside keep away from it as much as possible.&nbsp; Because the cable can only be coiled to a fairly large loop you would probably have to use a kinda big tub which would have a lot of surface area for evaporation.&nbsp; I think it might also be a bit of a fire hazard.&nbsp; I think I would try heat.&nbsp; Besides, the heat can provide plenty of excitement and danger all by itself.&nbsp; Regards, Wayne From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" &lt;hu… [at] bah.com&gt; To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" &lt;Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com&gt; Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 9:53:27 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal &nbsp; Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften the stuff up.&nbsp; I've never used the coated cable so do not know. &nbsp; Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal I have attempted this with a utility knife.&nbsp; Not easy.&nbsp; The coated cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic which had seeped between the strands.&nbsp; All I could get off was the top layer.&nbsp; I quit the job.&nbsp; If I were to try it again I would try a heat gun and see if that made it any easier.&nbsp; The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that may have contributed to the difficulty.&nbsp; Sorry I don't have any more encouraging answer.&nbsp; Regards, Wayne From: "ngeisz741@comcast. net" &lt;ngeisz741@comcast. net&gt; To: "List, Cal" &lt;Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com&gt; Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal &nbsp; All,&nbsp; We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for,&nbsp;choices are&nbsp;between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? &nbsp; Thanks, Nick&nbsp; "Jade" Cal 9.2 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2839 - Release Date: 04/27/10 14:27:00 -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com phone &amp; fax (860) 666-2184

I believe I would call using Dyneema a new “OPTION” verses requirement… 316 metal wire/cable is probably “better” but not as light for racing… From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randall Alcorn Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Fin, I read the same thing, it is in red so it is a new requirement. Randy Cal 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca -- Sent from my Palm Pixi On Apr 28, 2010 7:24, Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> wrote: Unless I'm reading it wrong, the latest from US Sailing seems to allow Dyneema lifelines. See page 11: http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-[8165].pdf<http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-%5b8165%5d.pdf> My SS lifelines are now about 6 years old, and ready to be replaced, just because. Fin. From: Joe DeMers<mailto:je… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire under that old coating. Joe DeMers On 4/28/2010 10:10 AM, Wayne Gillikin wrote: Carcinogens are nearly always useful in these situations. I just don't know which toxin to apply. It is entirely possible that Acetone is a solvent for the plastic coating. On the serious side: I wouldn't try it because you would have to dip the cable into the Acetone and let it steep for a bit. Acetone evaporates very rapidly so you would have to do it outside keep away from it as much as possible. Because the cable can only be coiled to a fairly large loop you would probably have to use a kinda big tub which would have a lot of surface area for evaporation. I think it might also be a bit of a fire hazard. I think I would try heat. Besides, the heat can provide plenty of excitement and danger all by itself. Regards, Wayne From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com><mailto:hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com"<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 9:53:27 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften the stuff up. I've never used the coated cable so do not know. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal I have attempted this with a utility knife. Not easy. The coated cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic which had seeped between the strands. All I could get off was the top layer. I quit the job. If I were to try it again I would try a heat gun and see if that made it any easier. The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that may have contributed to the difficulty. Sorry I don't have any more encouraging answer. Regards, Wayne From: "ngeisz741@comcast. net"<mailto:ng… [at] comcast.net> <ngeisz741@comcast. net><mailto:ng… [at] comcast.net> To: "List, Cal" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal All, We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? Thanks, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2839 - Release Date: 04/27/10 14:27:00 -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com<http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> phone & fax (860) 666-2184

Correct. An&nbsp;option I think I will like. No more hair being pulled out and hanging from the life line. R -- Sent from my Palm Pixi On Apr 28, 2010 8:43, ti… [at] ch2m.com &lt;ti… [at] ch2m.com&gt; wrote: &nbsp; I believe I would call using Dyneema a new “OPTION” verses requirement… &nbsp; 316 metal wire/cable is probably “better” but not as light for racing… &nbsp; From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randall Alcorn Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:35 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal &nbsp; &nbsp; Fin, I read the same thing, it is in red so it is a new requirement.&nbsp; Randy Cal 2-29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca -- Sent from my Palm Pixi On Apr 28, 2010 7:24, Fin Beven &lt;fi… [at] msn.com&gt; wrote: &nbsp; Unless I'm reading it wrong, the latest from US Sailing seems to allow Dyneema lifelines.&nbsp; See page 11: &nbsp; http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-[8165].pdf &nbsp; My SS lifelines are now about 6 years old, and ready to be replaced, just because. &nbsp; Fin. From: Joe DeMers To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal &nbsp; Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire under that old coating. Joe DeMers On 4/28/2010 10:10 AM, Wayne Gillikin wrote: Carcinogens are nearly always useful in these situations.&nbsp; I just don't know which toxin to apply.&nbsp; It is entirely possible that Acetone is a solvent for the plastic coating.&nbsp; On the serious side: I wouldn't try it because you would have to dip the cable into the Acetone and let it steep for a bit.&nbsp; Acetone evaporates very rapidly so you would have to do it outside keep away from it as much as possible.&nbsp; Because the cable can only be coiled to a fairly large loop you would probably have to use a kinda big tub which would have a lot of surface area for evaporation.&nbsp; I think it might also be a bit of a fire hazard.&nbsp; I think I would try heat.&nbsp; Besides, the heat can provide plenty of excitement and danger all by itself.&nbsp; Regards, Wayne &nbsp; &nbsp; From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" &lt;hu… [at] bah.com&gt; To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" &lt;Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com&gt; Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 9:53:27 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal &nbsp; Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften the stuff up.&nbsp; I've never used the coated cable so do not know. &nbsp; Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal I have attempted this with a utility knife.&nbsp; Not easy.&nbsp; The coated cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic which had seeped between the strands.&nbsp; All I could get off was the top layer.&nbsp; I quit the job.&nbsp; If I were to try it again I would try a heat gun and see if that made it any easier.&nbsp; The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that may have contributed to the difficulty.&nbsp; Sorry I don't have any more encouraging answer.&nbsp; Regards, Wayne &nbsp; &nbsp; From: "ngeisz741@comcast. net" &lt;ngeisz741@comcast. net&gt; To: "List, Cal" &lt;Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com&gt; Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal &nbsp; All,&nbsp; We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for,&nbsp;choices are&nbsp;between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? &nbsp; Thanks, Nick&nbsp; "Jade" Cal 9.2 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2839 - Release Date: 04/27/10 14:27:00&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com phone &amp; fax (860) 666-2184

Fin Beven wrote: > > > Unless I'm reading it wrong, the latest from US Sailing seems to allow > Dyneema lifelines. See page 11: > > http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-[8165].pdf > <http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-%5B8165%5D.pdf> > > My SS lifelines are now about 6 years old, and ready to be replaced, > just because. > Interesting discussion. We have the old question of modern synthetics and the problem of UV exposure vs stainless steel and its sneaky corrosion issues. My other boat was old enough to have had rubber-coated galvanized steel lifelines as its original equipment. I replaced them when one developed visible rust at a terminal (swaged SS). That was when they were 40-something years old, but bear in mind that this was in fresh water and the boat is stored indoors every winter. The new lifelines are the typical vinyl-coated SS. I'm curious about how you measure UV deterioration of the modern synthetic materials. Are there reliable indications of loss of strength? And for removing the vinyl coating, which was the original question, couldn't you make a little tool by drilling a hole in a piece of wood just slightly larger than the vinyl-coated lifeline OD, cutting the wood so you had a semicircle of the hole remaining on one edge, and then arranging a utility knife blade to slice deep enough to just cut through? Chris Campbell > Fin. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Joe DeMers <mailto:je… [at] mindspring.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:18 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal > > Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire > under that old coating. > > Joe DeMers > > On 4/28/2010 10:10 AM, Wayne Gillikin wrote: >> Carcinogens are nearly always useful in these situations. I just >> don't know which toxin to apply. It is entirely possible that >> Acetone is a solvent for the plastic coating. On the serious >> side: I wouldn't try it because you would have to dip the cable >> into the Acetone and let it steep for a bit. Acetone evaporates >> very rapidly so you would have to do it outside keep away from it >> as much as possible. Because the cable can only be coiled to a >> fairly large loop you would probably have to use a kinda big tub >> which would have a lot of surface area for evaporation. I think >> it might also be a bit of a fire hazard. I think I would try >> heat. Besides, the heat can provide plenty of excitement and >> danger all by itself. >> >> Regards, >> Wayne >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> >> *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Wed, April 28, 2010 9:53:27 AM >> *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal >> >> >> Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften >> the stuff up. I've never used the coated cable so do not know. >> >> Cheers >> Charlie >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup >> s.com] *On Behalf Of *Wayne Gillikin >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM >> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal >> >> I have attempted this with a utility knife. Not easy. The >> coated cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in >> liquid plastic which had seeped between the strands. All I could >> get off was the top layer. I quit the job. If I were to try it >> again I would try a heat gun and see if that made it any easier. >> The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that may have >> contributed to the difficulty. Sorry I don't have any more >> encouraging answer. >> >> Regards, >> Wayne >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* "ngeisz741@comcast. net" <ngeisz741@comcast. net> >> *To:* "List, Cal" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> >> *Sent:* Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal >> >> >> >> All, >> >> We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this >> year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it >> way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available >> depending on the class you want to register for, choices >> are between a 38nm to 60nm race. >> >> NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. >> Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated >> Stainless Steel. >> >> Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - >> quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2839 - Release Date: 04/27/10 14:27:00 >> >> > > -- > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > >

The hardware for use with Dyneema can be found at: http://mt.csjohnson.com/marinecatalog/00014.htm<http://mt.csjohnson.com/marinecatalog/00014.htm> In his and Linda's book 'Practical Seamanship - Essential Skills for the Modern Sailor', Steve Dashew was very clear about his aversion to stainless steel lifelines. He used Dyneema (or an equivalent) on his Beowulf cruising boat, and logged countless sea-miles that way. http://www.kellyarcher.co.nz/beowulf.html<http://www.kellyarcher.co.nz/beowulf.html> Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Campbell<mailto:cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Fin Beven wrote: Unless I'm reading it wrong, the latest from US Sailing seems to allow Dyneema lifelines. See page 11: http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-[8165].pdf<http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-[8165].pdf> My SS lifelines are now about 6 years old, and ready to be replaced, just because. Interesting discussion. We have the old question of modern synthetics and the problem of UV exposure vs stainless steel and its sneaky corrosion issues. My other boat was old enough to have had rubber-coated galvanized steel lifelines as its original equipment. I replaced them when one developed visible rust at a terminal (swaged SS). That was when they were 40-something years old, but bear in mind that this was in fresh water and the boat is stored indoors every winter. The new lifelines are the typical vinyl-coated SS. I'm curious about how you measure UV deterioration of the modern synthetic materials. Are there reliable indications of loss of strength? And for removing the vinyl coating, which was the original question, couldn't you make a little tool by drilling a hole in a piece of wood just slightly larger than the vinyl-coated lifeline OD, cutting the wood so you had a semicircle of the hole remaining on one edge, and then arranging a utility knife blade to slice deep enough to just cut through? Chris Campbell Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe DeMers<mailto:je… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire under that old coating. Joe DeMers On 4/28/2010 10:10 AM, Wayne Gillikin wrote: Carcinogens are nearly always useful in these situations. I just don't know which toxin to apply. It is entirely possible that Acetone is a solvent for the plastic coating. On the serious side: I wouldn't try it because you would have to dip the cable into the Acetone and let it steep for a bit. Acetone evaporates very rapidly so you would have to do it outside keep away from it as much as possible. Because the cable can only be coiled to a fairly large loop you would probably have to use a kinda big tub which would have a lot of surface area for evaporation. I think it might also be a bit of a fire hazard. I think I would try heat. Besides, the heat can provide plenty of excitement and danger all by itself. Regards, Wayne ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com><mailto:hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com"<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 9:53:27 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften the stuff up. I've never used the coated cable so do not know. Cheers Charlie ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_<mailto:Cal_> Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal I have attempted this with a utility knife. Not easy. The coated cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic which had seeped between the strands. All I could get off was the top layer. I quit the job. If I were to try it again I would try a heat gun and see if that made it any easier. The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that may have contributed to the difficulty. Sorry I don't have any more encouraging answer. Regards, Wayne ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "ngeisz741@comcast. net"<mailto:ng… [at] comcast.net> <ngeisz741@comcast. net><mailto:ng… [at] comcast.net> To: "List, Cal" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com><mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal All, We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? Thanks, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/> Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2839 - Release Date: 04/27/10 14:27:00 -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com<http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> phone & fax (860) 666-2184

Fin, Instead of commercial splices, I used stainless steel thimbles, and did a lace splice, folding the two lines side by side, and running a long series of figure 8's over and under each line, looks good too. 1/8th inch Amsteel (Dyneema) is a little hard to splice, plus it saved me money. I really like the stuff. I've been using it as my main halyard for the last few years and it shows no sign of deterioration so far as I can see. It's the silver colored stuff. I'd originally bought it for jumper struts, but the stuff creeps under constant tension an loosens up. There's a newer version of Dyneema that doesn't, or has, less creep. Jerry --- On Wed, 4/28/10, Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> wrote: From: Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Dyneema Lifelines To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 9:51 AM The hardware for use with Dyneema can be found at: http://mt.csjohnson .com/marinecatal og/00014. htm In his and Linda's book 'Practical Seamanship - Essential Skills for the Modern Sailor', Steve Dashew was very clear about his aversion to stainless steel lifelines. He used Dyneema (or an equivalent) on his Beowulf cruising boat, and logged countless sea-miles that way. http://www.kellyarc her.co.nz/ beowulf.html Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Campbell To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Fin Beven wrote: Unless I'm reading it wrong, the latest from US Sailing seems to allow Dyneema lifelines. See page 11: http://www.sailing. org/tools/ documents/ OSR2010Mo4101209 -[8165].pdf My SS lifelines are now about 6 years old, and ready to be replaced, just because. Interesting discussion. We have the old question of modern synthetics and the problem of UV exposure vs stainless steel and its sneaky corrosion issues. My other boat was old enough to have had rubber-coated galvanized steel lifelines as its original equipment. I replaced them when one developed visible rust at a terminal (swaged SS). That was when they were 40-something years old, but bear in mind that this was in fresh water and the boat is stored indoors every winter. The new lifelines are the typical vinyl-coated SS. I'm curious about how you measure UV deterioration of the modern synthetic materials. Are there reliable indications of loss of strength? And for removing the vinyl coating, which was the original question, couldn't you make a little tool by drilling a hole in a piece of wood just slightly larger than the vinyl-coated lifeline OD, cutting the wood so you had a semicircle of the hole remaining on one edge, and then arranging a utility knife blade to slice deep enough to just cut through? Chris Campbell Fin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe DeMers To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire under that old coating. Joe DeMers On 4/28/2010 10:10 AM, Wayne Gillikin wrote: Carcinogens are nearly always useful in these situations. I just don't know which toxin to apply. It is entirely possible that Acetone is a solvent for the plastic coating. On the serious side: I wouldn't try it because you would have to dip the cable into the Acetone and let it steep for a bit. Acetone evaporates very rapidly so you would have to do it outside keep away from it as much as possible. Because the cable can only be coiled to a fairly large loop you would probably have to use a kinda big tub which would have a lot of surface area for evaporation. I think it might also be a bit of a fire hazard. I think I would try heat. Besides, the heat can provide plenty of excitement and danger all by itself. Regards, Wayne From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com> To: "Cal_Boats@yahoogro ups.com" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 9:53:27 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften the stuff up. I've never used the coated cable so do not know. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal I have attempted this with a utility knife. Not easy. The coated cable I tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic which had seeped between the strands. All I could get off was the top layer. I quit the job. If I were to try it again I would try a heat gun and see if that made it any easier. The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that may have contributed to the difficulty. Sorry I don't have any more encouraging answer. Regards, Wayne From: "ngeisz741@comcast. net" <ngeisz741@comcast. net> To: "List, Cal" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal All, We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? Thanks, Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2839 - Release Date: 04/27/10 14:27:00 -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel. com phone & fax (860) 666-2184

I made a splicing fid for 1/8 inch Amsteel out of the brass tubing you buy at ACE hardware. I just picked the size that was 1/2 the diameter of my 1/4 inch fid. Can't remember what size it was. Then I soldered the end and carved a nice round shape to use as the front end. I taper the Amsteel by cutting off pairs of strands back 1 inch, then another pair back another inch, until half the strands are cut. Put these 6 strands in the fid and tape them. People have different ways of splicing but I run the end in 1 foot, make my loop, then stitch the end of the splice to keep it from pulling out when not under load. There are instructions on the Sampson web site and I have them on my web site as well. The fid is extremely easy to use on 1/8 inch Amsteel and I have even used it on the next size down, 7/64. It is not at all easy to splice 7/64 Amsteel. Also, on the ends, to take up the slack and make the tightening adjustment, I have seen people take many loops, about 5 inches long, of thin nylon line around the splice and the fitting on the pulpit. Then tie dozens of knots around the loops to secure it. This replaces the turnbuckle. What sizes of Amsteel are people using for lifelines? What I have seen is 1/4 inch I think. Allen L-36.com On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Fin, > Instead of commercial splices, I used stainless steel thimbles, and did a > lace splice, folding the two lines side by side, and running a long series > of figure 8's over and under each line, looks good too. 1/8th inch Amsteel > (Dyneema) is a little hard to splice, plus it saved me money. I really like > the stuff. > I've been using it as my main halyard for the last few years and it shows > no sign of deterioration so far as I can see. It's the silver colored stuff. > I'd originally bought it for jumper struts, but the stuff creeps under > constant tension an loosens up. There's a newer version of Dyneema that > doesn't, or has, less creep. > Jerry > > --- On *Wed, 4/28/10, Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com>* wrote: > > > From: Fin Beven <fi… [at] msn.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Dyneema Lifelines > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 9:51 AM > > > > The hardware for use with Dyneema can be found at: > > http://mt.csjohnson .com/marinecatal og/00014. htm<http://mt.csjohnson.com/marinecatalog/00014.htm> > > In his and Linda's book 'Practical Seamanship - Essential Skills for the > Modern Sailor', Steve Dashew was very clear about his aversion to stainless > steel lifelines. > > He used Dyneema (or an equivalent) on his Beowulf cruising boat, and logged > countless sea-miles that way. > > http://www.kellyarc her.co.nz/ beowulf.html<http://www.kellyarcher.co.nz/beowulf.html> > > Fin. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Chris Campbell<http://mc/compose?to=cl… [at] charterinternet.com> > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:32 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal > > Fin Beven wrote: > > Unless I'm reading it wrong, the latest from US Sailing seems to allow > Dyneema lifelines. See page 11: > > http://www.sailing. org/tools/ documents/ OSR2010Mo4101209 -[8165].pdf<http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-%5B8165%5D.pdf> > > My SS lifelines are now about 6 years old, and ready to be replaced, just > because. > > > > Interesting discussion. We have the old question of modern synthetics and > the problem of UV exposure vs stainless steel and its sneaky corrosion > issues. My other boat was old enough to have had rubber-coated galvanized > steel lifelines as its original equipment. I replaced them when one > developed visible rust at a terminal (swaged SS). That was when they were > 40-something years old, but bear in mind that this was in fresh water and > the boat is stored indoors every winter. The new lifelines are the typical > vinyl-coated SS. > > I'm curious about how you measure UV deterioration of the modern synthetic > materials. Are there reliable indications of loss of strength? > > And for removing the vinyl coating, which was the original question, > couldn't you make a little tool by drilling a hole in a piece of wood just > slightly larger than the vinyl-coated lifeline OD, cutting the wood so you > had a semicircle of the hole remaining on one edge, and then arranging a > utility knife blade to slice deep enough to just cut through? > > Chris Campbell > > > Fin. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Joe DeMers <http://mc/compose?to=je… [at] mindspring.com> > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:18 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal > > Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire under that > old coating. > > Joe DeMers > > On 4/28/2010 10:10 AM, Wayne Gillikin wrote: > > Carcinogens are nearly always useful in these situations. I just don't > know which toxin to apply. It is entirely possible that Acetone is a > solvent for the plastic coating. On the serious side: I wouldn't try it > because you would have to dip the cable into the Acetone and let it steep > for a bit. Acetone evaporates very rapidly so you would have to do it > outside keep away from it as much as possible. Because the cable can only > be coiled to a fairly large loop you would probably have to use a kinda big > tub which would have a lot of surface area for evaporation. I think it > might also be a bit of a fire hazard. I think I would try heat. Besides, > the heat can provide plenty of excitement and danger all by itself. > > Regards, > Wayne > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@ bah.com><http://mc/compose?to=hu… [at] bah.com> > *To:* "Cal_Boats@yahoogro ups.com"<http://mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou > ps.com> <http://mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wed, April 28, 2010 9:53:27 AM > *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal > > > Wayne, is it possible that some nice toxic solvent would soften the stuff > up. I've never used the coated cable so do not know. > > Cheers > Charlie > ------------------------------ > *From:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_<http://mc/compose?to=Cal_>Boats@yahoogroup > s.com] *On Behalf Of *Wayne Gillikin > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal > > I have attempted this with a utility knife. Not easy. The coated cable I > tried to strip looked like they were dipped in liquid plastic which had > seeped between the strands. All I could get off was the top layer. I quit > the job. If I were to try it again I would try a heat gun and see if that > made it any easier. The coating on my cable was very old and hard and that > may have contributed to the difficulty. Sorry I don't have any more > encouraging answer. > > Regards, > Wayne > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "ngeisz741@comcast. net"<http://mc/compose?to=ng… [at] comcast.net> <ngeisz741@comcast. > net> <http://mc/compose?to=ng… [at] comcast.net> > *To:* "List, Cal" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com><http://mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tue, April 27, 2010 8:35:40 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Life Line Coating Removal > > > > All, > > We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It > starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to > Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you > want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. > > NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and > for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. > > Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and > evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? > > > > Thanks, > > Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2839 - Release Date: 04/27/10 14:27:00 > > > -- > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel. com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > >

This was my thought too. If the coating has failed, the interior can't be far behind. The famous rigger Brian Toss calls uncoated lifelines "cheese slicers." --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Joe DeMers <jedsail@...> wrote: > > Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire under > that old coating. > > Joe DeMers > >

US Sailing calls coated lifelines "unacceptable". Fin From: "Danny" <db… [at] easystreet.net> To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:46 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Life Line Coating Removal > This was my thought too. If the coating has failed, the interior can't be > far behind. The famous rigger Brian Toss calls uncoated lifelines "cheese > slicers." > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Joe DeMers <jedsail@...> wrote: > > > > Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire under > > that old coating. > > > > Joe DeMers > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Fin: Do you have a link for that assessment at US Sailing? I searched and could not find it. Cheers, Danny --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Fin Beven" <finbeven@...> wrote: > > US Sailing calls coated lifelines "unacceptable". > > Fin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Danny" <dbessmer@...> > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:46 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Life Line Coating Removal > > > > This was my thought too. If the coating has failed, the interior can't be > > far behind. The famous rigger Brian Toss calls uncoated lifelines "cheese > > slicers." > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Joe DeMers <jedsail@> wrote: > > > > > > Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire under > > > that old coating. > > > > > > Joe DeMers

Danny ... See page 11. http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-[8165].pdf They only allow un-coated stainless or Dyneema. Fin. From: "Danny" <db… [at] easystreet.net> To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:47 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Life Line Coating Removal > Fin: > Do you have a link for that assessment at US Sailing? I searched and could > not find it. > > Cheers, > Danny > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Fin Beven" <finbeven@...> wrote: > > > > US Sailing calls coated lifelines "unacceptable". > > > > Fin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Danny" <dbessmer@...> > > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:46 AM > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Life Line Coating Removal > > > > > > > This was my thought too. If the coating has failed, the interior can't > > > be > > > far behind. The famous rigger Brian Toss calls uncoated lifelines > > > "cheese > > > slicers." > > > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Joe DeMers <jedsail@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire > > > > under > > > > that old coating. > > > > > > > > Joe DeMers > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

I have sailed the Mills for over 20yrs. and have never encountered a life line issue (all my boats have been fresh water boats) and the only restriction has been loose life lines.I would contact PHRF-LE Toledo yacht club or Storm Trisail for clarification. The Mills has a great party Thurs. before the race and a great party at the Bay after the race. Be prepaired cause it can go from a drifter to a full blowen ass kicker in short order.GOOD LUCK SEE YOU THERE DULCINEA CAL30-2 --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, ngeisz741@... wrote: > > > > All, > > We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. > > NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. > > Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? > > > > Thanks, > > Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 >

Moose, I have made my decision and will be changing out my life lines. The reasoning appears very sound to me to not have coated lifelines. All the boats at CSYC and Bayview that race the Port Huron to Mackinac race have made the same decision. Hope to see you in Toledo. Later, Nick From: "MOOSE" <mo… [at] aol.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:07:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Life Line Coating Removal I have sailed the Mills for over 20yrs. and have never encountered a life line issue (all my boats have been fresh water boats) and the only restriction has been loose life lines.I would contact PHRF-LE Toledo yacht club or Storm Trisail for clarification. The Mills has a great party Thurs. before the race and a great party at the Bay after the race. Be prepaired cause it can go from a drifter to a full blowen ass kicker in short order.GOOD LUCK SEE YOU THERE DULCINEA CAL30-2 --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com , ngeisz741@... wrote: > > > > All, > > We are going to enter the Mills Trophy Race in Lake Erie this year. It starts on a Friday evening out of Toledo YC and works it way over to Put-In-Bay Island. A few courses are available depending on the class you want to register for, choices are between a 38nm to 60nm race. > > NOR states we need to comply with Off Shore Cat 3 safety rules. Checked and for life lines, it says they must be Uncoated Stainless Steel. > > Does anyone know of a tool where I can slice off my coating - quickly and evenly without messing up the SS cable underneath? > > > > Thanks, > > Nick "Jade" Cal 9.2 >

Thanks Fin. That Interweb is an amazing resource when one knows where to look. This must be why Toss is a proponent of Dyneema too. We've been saving our scheckles for this upgrade. Cheers, Danny --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Fin Beven" <finbeven@...> wrote: > > Danny ... > > See page 11. > > http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2010Mo4101209-[8165].pdf > > They only allow un-coated stainless or Dyneema. > > Fin. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Danny" <dbessmer@...> > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:47 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Life Line Coating Removal > > > > Fin: > > Do you have a link for that assessment at US Sailing? I searched and could > > not find it. > > > > Cheers, > > Danny > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Fin Beven" <finbeven@> wrote: > > > > > > US Sailing calls coated lifelines "unacceptable". > > > > > > Fin > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Danny" <dbessmer@> > > > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:46 AM > > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Life Line Coating Removal > > > > > > > > > > This was my thought too. If the coating has failed, the interior can't > > > > be > > > > far behind. The famous rigger Brian Toss calls uncoated lifelines > > > > "cheese > > > > slicers." > > > > > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Joe DeMers <jedsail@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Time to buy new lifelines, as you will probably find rusty wire > > > > > under > > > > > that old coating. > > > > > > > > > > Joe DeMers > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >