8 messages2010-05-05 05:52 UTCthrough 2010-05-06 15:33 UTC
Beer can race number 1
Allen Edwards2010-05-05 05:52 UTC
First beer can race of the season here. Papoose was the fastest boat in the
race. First uncorrected and first place corrected. We beat two Tartan
Ten's a Cataline 40 and a C&C-43, plus a number of other boats. Not bad for
a 55 year old wooden boat. My new jib was amazing. That thing really holds
its shape in strong winds.
Allen
Re: [Cal_Boats] Beer can race/first boat/docking
Helen Horn2010-05-05 08:43 UTC
Where (what club) are you doing beer cans on Tuesdays (SF Bay)? by the way congratulations, it was pretty breezy today, probably scared everybody else).. (we race tomorrow in Redwood City with our cal 29 Noah's Kid.)
This docking and first boat thing, Edward and Helen both use Helen's email and both of us come from different sailing beginnings. Therefore, our writings here can be amusingly different. Helen started sailing an AMF Force 5 13'10" out of Santa Cruz in 1982 after taking a coast guard aux. class and then an O'Niells lesson series on a Pearson Ensign 22. If there was wind it was a big adrenaline rush, surfing waves, etc., fear of knocking down the 90 sq ft of sail into the harbor mouth or worse yet into a herd? of mating sea lions. Or the wind died and the sculling back to the slip was gruesome. Had a sidetie and always dropped the sail which had the mast pocket flattened and grommets installed and a single line wrapped around the mast topped with a halyard block. Getting it down and out of the way and then snaring the dock cleat was tricky, especially since even in light airs it would sail with me as windage. I kept a mini danforth in the cockpit for
worst case scenario. My 19 foot mast was a challenge getting under the two bridges, it was a run-for-it, tack hard, straighten up, tack the other way, and worked fine except for the one time it got stuck on the bottom of the bridge at a flood tide. (there are many scratch marks there that weren't mine I noticed). I bent the mast with the main sheet, heeled so hard almost capsized, spun out toward the pilings, I guess fear did the rest as to jibe I had to release that main and move ballast (me) and attack the bridge again. Always wishing I had a Santana 22 instead but they were all so worn out even then from serious racing.Then most sailing with others on Santa Cruz 27s and Santana 35 and chartering bareboat from Santa Barbara to channel islands. Met Edward who sailed a North American 23 (perfect bay boat) in Redwood City, and he took his boating classes from Power Squadron. He helped sail/motor a Peterson 44 from MDR to Monterey for his first offshore
trip. We found the '74 cal 29 in '02. Love it but wanted bigger for real cruising, though a 29 is almost perfect for 1 or 2 hands. Got the cal 36 in Newport Beach and found that it is almost as easy to dock as the 29. We take turns docking. I require silence, fenders ready, engine running, sails down but ready, one crew at midship with bowline or springline, one with stern line or the line ready to hand to crew on dock after spring tie, and rule number one, nobody gets off the boat until they can step off. I come in so slow in forward, then neutral for several boat lengths and then depending on current, reverse if necessary. The safety of my crew and their confidence is my priority. The 36 has more windage in the hull and a wider beam but I think your mind compensates. Both boats are tillered with so-far dependable A-4's. I still want that anchor handy. We have different sailing styles, it's pretty amusing at times, 12 years together and no-one
overboard. But, we joked about naming our new cal "Edwaaaard." I think the most bizarre docking I ever witnessed was in the 60's when I went to Treasure Island naval shipyard to pick up a friend from his weekend warrior time on a destroyer and the captain rammed the dock so hard it cut a v in the dock. It was accompanied by lots of yelling. Captain Crunch probably got an earfull later from the commander. Anyway, skippers and first mates should be able to do these basic things and not be intimidated nor rely on just the man to handle the tasks: in Santa Cruz a skipper (think contractor with ego) taking out his girlfriend for a cruise had not given her any preparatory training in boat handling. Just off the dock, he fell overboard in the center of the harbor channel. Smarter guys on the docks got her to "hard over" and circle till they could get them rounded up respectively, no damage to anything but ego. (pre-cell phone days) There are now
classes offered in the SF Bay area called "skipper savers". You just never know, as some of us sailors seem to be a little older, when someone else may have to take over the helm and we will have to trust their skills.
HH ...see you round the bay sooner or later, forgive me for tacking this onto your message but the race results were exciting, great way to start the season..
From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:52:30 PM
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Beer can race number 1
First beer can race of the season here. Papoose was the fastest boat in the race. First uncorrected and first place corrected. We beat two Tartan Ten's a Cataline 40 and a C&C-43, plus a number of other boats. Not bad for a 55 year old wooden boat. My new jib was amazing. That thing really holds its shape in strong winds.
Allen
Re: [Cal_Boats] Beer can race/first boat/docking
Allen Edwards2010-05-05 13:57 UTC
The Tuesday evening races are at Sierra Point. We almost always race in
strong winds down here which is why I got the new 90, but the winds had
lots of holes in them. The finish was particularly exciting as there was
almost no wind starting about 5 boat lengths from the finish. We were in
20+ and suddenly we were sailing with 0 degrees apparent. This can be very
confusing as you think you are being headed and everyone on the boat yells
for me to change course. The correct thing to do is keep pointing where you
want to go and coast until the boat is going slower than the wind, the sails
fill again, and you can begin sailing instead of coasting. We did it right
last night having learned the hard way last season.
Allen
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> Where (what club) are you doing beer cans on Tuesdays (SF Bay)? by the way
> congratulations, it was pretty breezy today, probably scared everybody
> else).. (we race tomorrow in Redwood City with our cal 29 Noah's Kid.)
> ...
> see you round the bay sooner or later, forgive me for tacking this onto
> your message but the race results were exciting, great way to start the
> season..
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>
> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Tue, May 4, 2010 10:52:30 PM
> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Beer can race number 1
>
>
>
> First beer can race of the season here. Papoose was the fastest boat in
> the race. First uncorrected and first place corrected. We beat two Tartan
> Ten's a Cataline 40 and a C&C-43, plus a number of other boats. Not bad for
> a 55 year old wooden boat. My new jib was amazing. That thing really holds
> its shape in strong winds.
>
> Allen
>
>
>
RE: [Cal_Boats] Beer can race/first boat/docking
Husar, Charlie [USA]2010-05-05 14:04 UTC
"The correct thing to do is keep pointing where you want to go and coast until the boat is going slower than the wind, the sails fill again, and you can begin sailing instead of coasting. "
Absolutely right, Allen. Just pray that the wind comes back before the boat stops.
How is the mast doing?
Cheers
Charlie
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:57 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beer can race/first boat/docking
The Tuesday evening races are at Sierra Point. We almost always race in strong winds down here which is why I got the new 90, but the winds had lots of holes in them. The finish was particularly exciting as there was almost no wind starting about 5 boat lengths from the finish. We were in 20+ and suddenly we were sailing with 0 degrees apparent. This can be very confusing as you think you are being headed and everyone on the boat yells for me to change course. The correct thing to do is keep pointing where you want to go and coast until the boat is going slower than the wind, the sails fill again, and you can begin sailing instead of coasting. We did it right last night having learned the hard way last season.
Allen
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net<mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
Where (what club) are you doing beer cans on Tuesdays (SF Bay)? by the way congratulations, it was pretty breezy today, probably scared everybody else).. (we race tomorrow in Redwood City with our cal 29 Noah's Kid.)
...
see you round the bay sooner or later, forgive me for tacking this onto your message but the race results were exciting, great way to start the season..
From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:52:30 PM
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Beer can race number 1
First beer can race of the season here. Papoose was the fastest boat in the race. First uncorrected and first place corrected. We beat two Tartan Ten's a Cataline 40 and a C&C-43, plus a number of other boats. Not bad for a 55 year old wooden boat. My new jib was amazing. That thing really holds its shape in strong winds.
Allen
Re: [Cal_Boats] Beer can race/first boat/docking
Allen Edwards2010-05-05 14:57 UTC
For what seemed like forever, I thought we would sit there two boat lengths
from the finish and have the rest of the fleet catch us. With our
competition being 1/2 our weight, that could have been bad.
The mast is fine. We put what I think is about 1100 pounds on the forestay
and the new sail looked great. It is so flat and just stays that way. The
guys said it looked more like a foil than a sail made of cloth.
Allen
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA]
<hu… [at] bah.com>wrote:
>
>
> "The correct thing to do is keep pointing where you want to go and coast
> until the boat is going slower than the wind, the sails fill again, and you
> can begin sailing instead of coasting. "
>
> Absolutely right, Allen. Just pray that the wind comes back before the
> boat stops.
>
> How is the mast doing?
>
> Cheers
> Charlie
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Allen Edwards
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:57 AM
>
> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Beer can race/first boat/docking
>
> The Tuesday evening races are at Sierra Point. We almost always race in
> strong winds down here which is why I got the new 90, but the winds had
> lots of holes in them. The finish was particularly exciting as there was
> almost no wind starting about 5 boat lengths from the finish. We were in
> 20+ and suddenly we were sailing with 0 degrees apparent. This can be very
> confusing as you think you are being headed and everyone on the boat yells
> for me to change course. The correct thing to do is keep pointing where you
> want to go and coast until the boat is going slower than the wind, the sails
> fill again, and you can begin sailing instead of coasting. We did it right
> last night having learned the hard way last season.
>
> Allen
>
>
> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Where (what club) are you doing beer cans on Tuesdays (SF Bay)? by the way
>> congratulations, it was pretty breezy today, probably scared everybody
>> else).. (we race tomorrow in Redwood City with our cal 29 Noah's Kid.)
>> ...
>> see you round the bay sooner or later, forgive me for tacking this onto
>> your message but the race results were exciting, great way to start the
>> season..
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>
>>
>> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
>> *Sent:* Tue, May 4, 2010 10:52:30 PM
>> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Beer can race number 1
>>
>>
>>
>> First beer can race of the season here. Papoose was the fastest boat in
>> the race. First uncorrected and first place corrected. We beat two Tartan
>> Ten's a Cataline 40 and a C&C-43, plus a number of other boats. Not bad for
>> a 55 year old wooden boat. My new jib was amazing. That thing really holds
>> its shape in strong winds.
>>
>> Allen
>>
>>
>
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Beer can race number 1
Fred Haas2010-05-05 17:17 UTC
Confirming the old saw, "nothing goes to weather like money!"
Seamanship helps, too, of course.
Keep Smiling
Fred Haas
3-30 Nemesis
Tacoma
On May 4, 2010, at 10:52 PM, Allen Edwards wrote:
> First beer can race of the season here. Papoose was the fastest
> boat in the race. First uncorrected and first place corrected. We
> beat two Tartan Ten's a Cataline 40 and a C&C-43, plus a number of
> other boats. Not bad for a 55 year old wooden boat. My new jib
> was amazing. That thing really holds its shape in strong winds.
>
>
> Allen
>
>
>
Re: Beer can race number 1
r_michael_taylor2010-05-06 06:18
Allen, you don't know Bob Schultz, do you? He owns a share of a santa cruz something or other and sails out of redwood city.
--- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@...> wrote:
>
> First beer can race of the season here. Papoose was the fastest boat in the
> race. First uncorrected and first place corrected. We beat two Tartan
> Ten's a Cataline 40 and a C&C-43, plus a number of other boats. Not bad for
> a 55 year old wooden boat. My new jib was amazing. That thing really holds
> its shape in strong winds.
>
> Allen
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Beer can race number 1
Allen Edwards2010-05-06 15:33 UTC
I don't think so. Perhaps in a past life but not now.
Allen
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:18 PM, r_michael_taylor <
r_… [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Allen, you don't know Bob Schultz, do you? He owns a share of a santa cruz
> something or other and sails out of redwood city.
>
> --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Allen
> Edwards <allen.edwards@...> wrote:
> >
> > First beer can race of the season here. Papoose was the fastest boat in
> the
> > race. First uncorrected and first place corrected. We beat two Tartan
> > Ten's a Cataline 40 and a C&C-43, plus a number of other boats. Not bad
> for
> > a 55 year old wooden boat. My new jib was amazing. That thing really
> holds
> > its shape in strong winds.
> >
> > Allen
> >
>
>
>