Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Vinyl & Glue Removed . . . more fun begins (Paul)

Thanks Donald, that's about what I expected. Paul In a message dated 5/7/2010 11:05:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dn… [at] sbcglobal.net writes: In a highlighted portion of the message below, Paul asks if my wife had any input on the "Nansulate" products and their effectiveness as insulating coatings. Her response is found below. Not much value to be found, in her opinion! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Eileen Dutton <eileendttn@sbcglobaeilee> To: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.dnl> Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 10:10:27 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Vinyl & Glue Removed . . . more fun begins Testing to date has not shown a difference in the temperature below the coated surface versus a non-coated surface. To date, the only change has been in the color (not clear - it is translucent. I was disappointed in several things on their website. They used to have something that said they were rated by the CRRC (Cool Roof Rating Council). They removed that (CRRC talked about writing letters to people using the CRRC name incorrectly) the CRRC rates solar reflectivity and emissivity. They also mention a report from the UK DEFRA and gives the impression that the DEFRA report said the coating saves energy, but instead that report states , "Nansulate range of products… little independent verification of the efficiency". I have heard the coating is good for glass - as a layer between insulated glass. As for other uses - I haven't seen the energy savings. Can the technology work? Yes, but currently, it appears to work as an insulation in thicker layers (check out aerogel insulation). Nanotechnology will become more common. But right now, I don't see the value of the thin film "insulation" in the coating. From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.dnl> To: Eileen Dutton <eileendttn@sbcglobaeilee> Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 1:56:27 PM Subject: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Vinyl & Glue Removed . . . more fun begins Question to you on Cal Boats highlighted in bold red below! Thanks, Donald Dutton "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: "pwestla@aol. "pwestla<pw… [at] aol.pwe> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou C Cc: mr… [at] efni.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 12:59:29 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Vinyl & Glue Removed . . . more fun begins Well, all the vinyl is gone and most of the glue taken off with an angle grinder with one bad ass wire brush attached. I was smart enough to mask off the areas where I didn't want residue with masking tape and cheap drop cloths which saved me a lot of cleanup. I also wore appropriate safety gear . . .LUKE . . . I AM YOUR FATHER . . . at least that's what I felt like ;-) The clean spot in the middle is after one pass of the grinder My next step is to wash down the walls with acetone and get as much remaining residue off as I can. Then I hope to fair it with West Systems 410, the light micro-ballons. Here is the question of the day . . . am I now going to be getting condensation on these "walls" and the underside of the decks? If so, was the foam backed vinyl that was there preventing it before or just absorbing it? Donald if you're reading this, did your wife ever have the chance to look into insulation values of paints or fillers with the microballoons? The one thing that has really struck me about this job so far is how inaccessible the genny track bolts, the stanchion base bolts and basically anything bolted to the side decks are. Without basically destroying the interior of the boat they are basically not accessible which explains why I have 2 stanchion bases that are cracked and probably 3 others that wobble! Paul West Adventure Kwest '80 Cal 39