Jiffy Reef Line Size

Folks, We want to install jiffy reefing on our Cal-40. We had it on the Cal-27PT and it worked great. No muss, no fuss. It used 1/2" line through both reef points, which seemed way overkill and a lot of extra weight. I am curious as to what size line we should use on the 40 to handle the greater sail loads and, since we are running all lines into the cockpit, we want to keep the line as small as safely possible. It would also mean smaller clutches and blocks too, which will save a buck. The current set up is unacceptable for short-handed cruising. Beth has a hard time reaching the tie-downs. Thanks, Mike and Beth Cal-40 #44 Celtic Naut

5/16 or 3/8 is plenty. watch for chafe at the clew reef block and keep your clew outhaul tight prior to reefing. My Best, Mike From: cal40pir8 <mi… [at] wahini.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 5:20:58 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Jiffy Reef Line Size Folks, We want to install jiffy reefing on our Cal-40. We had it on the Cal-27PT and it worked great. No muss, no fuss. It used 1/2" line through both reef points, which seemed way overkill and a lot of extra weight. I am curious as to what size line we should use on the 40 to handle the greater sail loads and, since we are running all lines into the cockpit, we want to keep the line as small as safely possible. It would also mean smaller clutches and blocks too, which will save a buck. The current set up is unacceptable for short-handed cruising. Beth has a hard time reaching the tie-downs. Thanks, Mike and Beth Cal-40 #44 Celtic Naut ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Line handling would be as much a factor as line strength. How about a 3/8" with moderately low stretch. Mine are at 7/16" on the 40. Don't need to be that fat. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cal40pir8 Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:21 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Jiffy Reef Line Size Folks, We want to install jiffy reefing on our Cal-40. We had it on the Cal-27PT and it worked great. No muss, no fuss. It used 1/2" line through both reef points, which seemed way overkill and a lot of extra weight. I am curious as to what size line we should use on the 40 to handle the greater sail loads and, since we are running all lines into the cockpit, we want to keep the line as small as safely possible. It would also mean smaller clutches and blocks too, which will save a buck. The current set up is unacceptable for short-handed cruising. Beth has a hard time reaching the tie-downs. Thanks, Mike and Beth Cal-40 #44 Celtic Naut ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

So you think a 3/8" sta-set or 5/16 amsteel line would be able to handle the loads? I agree about line handling... Too thin is hard to hold onto. 5/16 is about the minimum I am comfortable to handle. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > Line handling would be as much a factor as line strength. How about a 3/8" with moderately low stretch. Mine are at 7/16" on the 40. Don't need to be that fat. > > Cheers > Charlie >

On May 5, 2010, at 6:07 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > Line handling would be as much a factor as line strength. How about > a 3/8" with moderately low stretch. Mine are at 7/16" on the 40. > Don't need to be that fat. > > Cheers > Charlie > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low compared to the newer designs. Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. Mike Kennedy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of cal40pir8 > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:21 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Jiffy Reef Line Size > > Folks, > We want to install jiffy reefing on our Cal-40. We had it on the > Cal-27PT and it worked great. No muss, no fuss. It used 1/2" line > through both reef points, which seemed way overkill and a lot of > extra weight. I am curious as to what size line we should use on the > 40 to handle the greater sail loads and, since we are running all > lines into the cockpit, we want to keep the line as small as safely > possible. It would also mean smaller clutches and blocks too, which > will save a buck. > The current set up is unacceptable for short-handed cruising. Beth > has a hard time reaching the tie-downs. > Thanks, > Mike and Beth > Cal-40 #44 > Celtic Naut > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. Is it that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it difficult? Or all of the above? Mike M. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: ><snipped> > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing > on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the > leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. > That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be > faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I > do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also > important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with > roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low > compared to the newer designs. > > Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack > reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so > somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. > > Mike Kennedy

I think he was talking about two lines back to the cockpit. Single line only works on paper. I use a line with a hook on it for the tack reef. I have used a hook on the boom and it is much more difficult to set. I have a small winch on my boom, and my main halyard winch on the mast so I do everything from the mast position. That all said, with the new main and two full battens, I almost never reef where with the old sail, I almost never sailed without reefing. The battens allow me to let the main out and dump wind without the sail flogging. When single handing, I just let the main out and sail to the bubble. When racing, the main trimmer will adjust the bubble to the wind. Allen On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: > > On May 5, 2010, at 6:07 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > > Line handling would be as much a factor as line strength. How about > > a 3/8" with moderately low stretch. Mine are at 7/16" on the 40. > > Don't need to be that fat. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > > > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing > on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the > leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. > That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be > faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I > do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also > important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with > roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low > compared to the newer designs. > > Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack > reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so > somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. > > Mike Kennedy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of cal40pir8 > > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:21 AM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Jiffy Reef Line Size > > > > Folks, > > We want to install jiffy reefing on our Cal-40. We had it on the > > Cal-27PT and it worked great. No muss, no fuss. It used 1/2" line > > through both reef points, which seemed way overkill and a lot of > > extra weight. I am curious as to what size line we should use on the > > 40 to handle the greater sail loads and, since we are running all > > lines into the cockpit, we want to keep the line as small as safely > > possible. It would also mean smaller clutches and blocks too, which > > will save a buck. > > The current set up is unacceptable for short-handed cruising. Beth > > has a hard time reaching the tie-downs. > > Thanks, > > Mike and Beth > > Cal-40 #44 > > Celtic Naut > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

I do use separate lines for tack and clew reefing. Some attempts to make a single line rig have not worked well. I'm not in area where multiple reefs would be used except once in a blue moon. Bringing 3 sets of fore and aft lines to the cockpit would be quite a trick. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kennedy Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 12:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jiffy Reef Line Size On May 5, 2010, at 6:07 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > Line handling would be as much a factor as line strength. How about a > 3/8" with moderately low stretch. Mine are at 7/16" on the 40. > Don't need to be that fat. > > Cheers > Charlie > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low compared to the newer designs. Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. Mike Kennedy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of cal40pir8 > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:21 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Jiffy Reef Line Size > > Folks, > We want to install jiffy reefing on our Cal-40. We had it on the > Cal-27PT and it worked great. No muss, no fuss. It used 1/2" line > through both reef points, which seemed way overkill and a lot of extra > weight. I am curious as to what size line we should use on the 40 to > handle the greater sail loads and, since we are running all lines into > the cockpit, we want to keep the line as small as safely possible. It > would also mean smaller clutches and blocks too, which will save a > buck. > The current set up is unacceptable for short-handed cruising. Beth has > a hard time reaching the tie-downs. > Thanks, > Mike and Beth > Cal-40 #44 > Celtic Naut > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Allen, We had two reef points on our 27. Both were single line and worked well. The only issues that I had with it was that when racing in light air, the lines would weigh down the sail and mess with the shape. We're not racing, except for beer cans, so that isn't too much of a consideration for us. I've eased the main waay out during brief gusts as well. The flogging of the expensive mainsail is certainly disconcerting but not as much as being overpowered. I think this is called a 'fisherman's reef'? Mike M. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@...> wrote: > > I think he was talking about two lines back to the cockpit. Single line > only works on paper. I use a line with a hook on it for the tack reef. I > have used a hook on the boom and it is much more difficult to set. I have a > small winch on my boom, and my main halyard winch on the mast so I do > everything from the mast position. That all said, with the new main and two > full battens, I almost never reef where with the old sail, I almost never > sailed without reefing. The battens allow me to let the main out and dump > wind without the sail flogging. When single handing, I just let the main > out and sail to the bubble. When racing, the main trimmer will adjust the > bubble to the wind. > > Allen > <snipped>

Charlie, When Beth and I raced her 27, we were in Lake Mead. We were basically sailing in a section of the Grand Canyon that was dammed up. The canyon walls would be like sailing in a bowl with light winds one moment and 40mph gusts from another direction the next. Much of it depended on the prevailing wind direction and which canyon you were abeam. Black Canyon, where the dam is, is very wide in the south west but narrows where the dam is, takes a 90 degree turn for a mile and then the lake starts. This causes the wind to be 'squirted' out from SE across the lake at extreme velocities when the prevailing wind was from the SW. It seems we almost always had our race course set up to traverse this patch of water. It was good training. You would start racing with your drifter, change down to your 90% for 500 yards and then go back to the drifter. What a blast! Anyway, the point is that we used jiffy reef a lot there and wanted to rig the same on the 40. My main thing is that I don't want Beth to be single-handing and have to get out of the cockpit if I am unable to do what needs to be done. Otherwise I wouldn't mess with it. Mike M. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > I do use separate lines for tack and clew reefing. Some attempts to make a single line rig have not worked well. I'm not in area where multiple reefs would be used except once in a blue moon. Bringing 3 sets of fore and aft lines to the cockpit would be quite a trick. > > Cheers > Charlie > <snipped>

I would add that you drop the traveler all the way down to keep the leach straight and the sail flat. You get a bubble from the luff to about 30 inches back. That takes a lot of power out of the sail without flogging. In a race, the main trimmer needs to constantly adjust to keep the bubble just right. With too much sail and too much wind, you have to flogg. I hate that which is why I bought the new 90. The interesting thing we learned last night is that with the 90, the main is not just a way to depower, sometimes we needed to power it up. That is new for us. Makes the mainsheet trimmers job much more difficult. Allen On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:58 AM, cal40pir8 <mi… [at] wahini.org> wrote: > > > Allen, > We had two reef points on our 27. Both were single line and worked well. > The only issues that I had with it was that when racing in light air, the > lines would weigh down the sail and mess with the shape. We're not racing, > except for beer cans, so that isn't too much of a consideration for us. > I've eased the main waay out during brief gusts as well. The flogging of > the expensive mainsail is certainly disconcerting but not as much as being > overpowered. I think this is called a 'fisherman's reef'? > Mike M. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Allen > Edwards <allen.edwards@...> wrote: > > > > I think he was talking about two lines back to the cockpit. Single line > > only works on paper. I use a line with a hook on it for the tack reef. I > > have used a hook on the boom and it is much more difficult to set. I have > a > > small winch on my boom, and my main halyard winch on the mast so I do > > everything from the mast position. That all said, with the new main and > two > > full battens, I almost never reef where with the old sail, I almost never > > sailed without reefing. The battens allow me to let the main out and dump > > wind without the sail flogging. When single handing, I just let the main > > out and sail to the bubble. When racing, the main trimmer will adjust the > > bubble to the wind. > > > > Allen > > > <snipped> > > >

I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit.....drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: cal40pir8 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. Is it that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it difficult? Or all of the above? Mike M. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: ><snipped> > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing > on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the > leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. > That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be > faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I > do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also > important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with > roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low > compared to the newer designs. > > Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack > reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so > somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. > > Mike Kennedy __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5089 (20100505) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a single line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the mast boom and through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. With the sail tight between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are the reef lines around the boom necessary or just there to make things pretty? Your comments? John From: "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\)" <ma… [at] cox.net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit.....drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: cal40pir8 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. Is it that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it difficult? Or all of the above? Mike M. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: ><snipped> > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing > on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the > leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. > That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be > faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I > do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also > important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with > roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low > compared to the newer designs. > > Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack > reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so > somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. > > Mike Kennedy __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5089 (20100505)__________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506)__________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I say pretty. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jr… [at] triad.rr.com Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:19 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a single line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the mast boom and through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. With the sail tight between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are the reef lines around the boom necessary or just there to make things pretty? Your comments? John From: "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\)" <ma… [at] cox.net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit.....drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro From: cal40pir8<mailto:mi… [at] wahini.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. Is it that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it difficult? Or all of the above? Mike M. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: ><snipped> > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing > on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the > leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. > That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be > faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I > do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also > important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with > roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low > compared to the newer designs. > > Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack > reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so > somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. > > Mike Kennedy __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5089 (20100505) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Tying the sail up tight to the boom keeps the windage down, keeps the extra sail from flogging and being damaged and, more importantly, keeps rain or spray from filling the sail and causing a lot of weight to gather 2' above your deck where it can cause excessive motion of the boat through the seas. And it looks nicer! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "jr… [at] triad.rr.com" <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 3:18:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a single line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the mast boom and through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. With the sail tight between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are the reef lines around the boom necessary or just there to make things pretty? Your comments? John From: "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\) " <masconsult@cox. net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700 To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit..... drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro >From: cal40pir8 >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 > AM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line > Size(Mike K.) > > > >Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about > reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. > >Is it > that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or > that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it > difficult? Or all of the above? >Mike M. > >--- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, > Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@ ...> > wrote: >><snipped> > >> I think you would find it hard to > use single line style jiffy reefing >> on a big main like the Cal 40. I > would suggest reef lines only on the >> leach reef points and hooks at > the gooseneck for the tack reef points. >> That means one person leaving > the cockpit to reef but it would be >> faster, I think. Fin has a lot > more experience sailing the 40 than I >> do but I would think changing > headsail size before reefing is also >> important. I think you would go > to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with >> roller furling, before reefing. > That's a big main but the rig is low >> compared to the newer > designs. >> >> Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to > pull down the tack >> reef point. Either way, you will be tying the > other reef points so >> somebody will have to leave the cockpit except > for flattening reefs. >> >> Mike Kennedy > > > >__________ > Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database > 5089 (20100505) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 > Antivirus. > >http://www.eset. com > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

Thanks for the confirmation, my thoughts were similar. One more quick Q. My thought is these reef point ties would go under the foot (requiring sail slugs or loose footed main) and not around the boom. Just in case of a big blow the sail would blow and not bend or wreck the boom? Comments? John From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 15:36:12 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size (John) Tying the sail up tight to the boom keeps the windage down, keeps the extra sail from flogging and being damaged and, more importantly, keeps rain or spray from filling the sail and causing a lot of weight to gather 2' above your deck where it can cause excessive motion of the boat through the seas. And it looks nicer! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "jr… [at] triad.rr.com" <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 3:18:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a single line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the mast boom and through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. With the sail tight between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are the reef lines around the boom necessary or just there to make things pretty? Your comments? John From: "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\) " <masconsult@cox. net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700 To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit..... drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro >From: cal40pir8 >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 > AM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line > Size(Mike K.) > > > >Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about > reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. > >Is it > that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or > that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it > difficult? Or all of the above? >Mike M. > >--- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, > Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@ ...> > wrote: >><snipped> > >> I think you would find it hard to > use single line style jiffy reefing >> on a big main like the Cal 40. I > would suggest reef lines only on the >> leach reef points and hooks at > the gooseneck for the tack reef points. >> That means one person leaving > the cockpit to reef but it would be >> faster, I think. Fin has a lot > more experience sailing the 40 than I >> do but I would think changing > headsail size before reefing is also >> important. I think you would go > to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with >> roller furling, before reefing. > That's a big main but the rig is low >> compared to the newer > designs. >> >> Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to > pull down the tack >> reef point. Either way, you will be tying the > other reef points so >> somebody will have to leave the cockpit except > for flattening reefs. >> >> Mike Kennedy > > > >__________ > Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database > 5089 (20100505)__________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 > Antivirus. > >http://www.eset. com > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506)__________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

I have no strong opinions on any of the below items. Just observations. The cringles for the reef ties are usually weak. I've seen someone rip their main when they went to raise the sail without untying one of the ties. I have not had flogging problems if the foot of the reefed sail is tight. Of course, I only have one reef point in the Chesapeake. If one has tie points for two or three reefs, then that is a lot of stuff (eyes with reinforcement and ties) to distort the sail and create windage when the sail is all the way up. I will admit we are not heavy reef users around here. I think I did it twice this past year in Frostbite races on short legs. As an aside, every sailboat I saw on a trip across the English Channel had 3 reef points and they were all strung on every boat. Must be something to that stuff. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donald Dutton Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:36 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size (John) Tying the sail up tight to the boom keeps the windage down, keeps the extra sail from flogging and being damaged and, more importantly, keeps rain or spray from filling the sail and causing a lot of weight to gather 2' above your deck where it can cause excessive motion of the boat through the seas. And it looks nicer! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "jr… [at] triad.rr.com" <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 3:18:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a single line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the mast boom and through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. With the sail tight between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are the reef lines around the boom necessary or just there to make things pretty? Your comments? John From: "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\) " <masconsult@cox. net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700 To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://ps.com>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit..... drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro From: cal40pir8<mailto:mi… [at] wahini.org> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. Is it that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it difficult? Or all of the above? Mike M. --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@ ...> wrote: ><snipped> > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing > on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the > leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. > That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be > faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I > do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also > important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with > roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low > compared to the newer designs. > > Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack > reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so > somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. > > Mike Kennedy __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5089 (20100505) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com<http://www.eset.com> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com<http://www.eset.com>

My old sail came with a reinforced slit in it to allow the reef line to go through the sail and around the boom. Not a good idea with a wood boom as the line put a nasty dent in the wood before I installed a padeye and terminated the line there. Allen On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:50 PM, <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for the confirmation, my thoughts were similar. One more quick Q. My > thought is these reef point ties would go under the foot (requiring sail > slugs or loose footed main) and not around the boom. Just in case of a big > blow the sail would blow and not bend or wreck the boom? > > > Comments? > > John > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ------------------------------ > *From: * Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> > *Date: *Thu, 6 May 2010 15:36:12 -0700 (PDT) > *To: *<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Subject: *Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size (John) > > > > Tying the sail up tight to the boom keeps the windage down, keeps the extra > sail from flogging and being damaged and, more importantly, keeps rain or > spray from filling the sail and causing a lot of weight to gather 2' above > your deck where it can cause excessive motion of the boat through the seas. > > And it looks nicer! > > Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you > didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail > away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. > Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "jr… [at] triad.rr.com" <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thu, May 6, 2010 3:18:59 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > > Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a single > line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the mast boom and > through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. With the sail tight > between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are the reef lines around the > boom necessary or just there to make things pretty? > > Your comments? > John > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ------------------------------ > *From: * "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\) " <masconsult@cox. net> > *Date: *Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700 > *To: *<Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> > *Subject: *Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > > I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two > much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the > tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef > and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so > reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit..... > drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without > friction!. > Mark > Cal 2-29 > San Pedro > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* cal40pir8 <mi… [at] wahini.org> > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > > > Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about > reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. > > Is it that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy > reef, or that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would > make it difficult? Or all of the above? > Mike M. > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Michael > Kennedy <mtkennedy1@ ...> wrote: > ><snipped> > > > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing > > on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the > > leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. > > That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be > > faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I > > do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also > > important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with > > roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low > > compared to the newer designs. > > > > Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack > > reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so > > somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. > > > > Mike Kennedy > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5089 (20100505) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset. com <http://www.eset.com> > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5092 (20100506) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset. com <http://www.eset.com> > > >

Mine tie around the boom. I have had them on in 50 plus knots of wind and think that our boom section is quite substantial such that the sail would fail before the boom. Wind in excess of 70 knots would call for a storm sail that is loose footed. The reef ties are adequate for anything that I have encountered in coastal cruising and the storm sail would be used if you needed sail area off-shore in a long blowing storm. The main should have been long since removed and stowed below in conditions such as those. During the offshore blow I was in the main sail was covered and had a warp wrapped every 2 feet down the boom to keep it tight to the boom. We did this when we saw the storm approaching. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "jr… [at] triad.rr.com" <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 3:50:24 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size (John) Thanks for the confirmation, my thoughts were similar. One more quick Q. My thought is these reef point ties would go under the foot (requiring sail slugs or loose footed main) and not around the boom. Just in case of a big blow the sail would blow and not bend or wreck the boom? Comments? John From: Donald Dutton <dnlddttn@sbcglobal. net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 15:36:12 -0700 (PDT) To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size (John) Tying the sail up tight to the boom keeps the windage down, keeps the extra sail from flogging and being damaged and, more importantly, keeps rain or spray from filling the sail and causing a lot of weight to gather 2' above your deck where it can cause excessive motion of the boat through the seas. And it looks nicer! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "jraxter@triad. rr.com" <jraxter@triad. rr.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 3:18:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a single line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the mast boom and through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. With the sail tight between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are the reef lines around the boom necessary or just there to make things pretty? Your comments? John From: "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\) " <masconsult@cox. net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700 To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit..... drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro >From: cal40pir8 >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 > AM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line > Size(Mike K.) > > > >Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about > reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. > >Is it > that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or > that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it > difficult? Or all of the above? >Mike M. > >--- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, > Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@ ...> > wrote: >><snipped> > >> I think you would find it hard to > use single line style jiffy reefing >> on a big main like the Cal 40. I > would suggest reef lines only on the >> leach reef points and hooks at > the gooseneck for the tack reef points. >> That means one person leaving > the cockpit to reef but it would be >> faster, I think. Fin has a lot > more experience sailing the 40 than I >> do but I would think changing > headsail size before reefing is also >> important. I think you would go > to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with >> roller furling, before reefing. > That's a big main but the rig is low >> compared to the newer > designs. >> >> Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to > pull down the tack >> reef point. Either way, you will be tying the > other reef points so >> somebody will have to leave the cockpit except > for flattening reefs. >> >> Mike Kennedy > > > >__________ > Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database > 5089 (20100505) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 > Antivirus. > >http://www.eset. com > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

I never once reefed my main in the two years we sailed on the Chesapeake. We bought the boat in Houston and the sailmaker recommended two reef points in the main. We used the first reef point about once a month. We used the second reef only once in the 7 years we were there and never in Florida. We definitely needed to secure the extra sail with the second reef pulled. We secured the rest of the main when using the first reef point only when we had more than a half hour before we got back into protected water, so about half of the time when we reefed. And, yes, the cringles are weak. We never tied them tight enough to shape the sail, only to contain it from catching water and/or wind. Our ties are removable and are stored in the space under the chart table. Therefore there is no windage increase, just some holes in the sail at the reef line that really don't affect it's performance. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 3:51:39 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size I have no strong opinions on any of the below items. Just observations. The cringles for the reef ties are usually weak. I've seen someone rip their main when they went to raise the sail without untying one of the ties. I have not had flogging problems if the foot of the reefed sail is tight. Of course, I only have one reef point in the Chesapeake. If one has tie points for two or three reefs, then that is a lot of stuff (eyes with reinforcement and ties) to distort the sail and create windage when the sail is all the way up. I will admit we are not heavy reef users around here. I think I did it twice this past year in Frostbite races on short legs. As an aside, every sailboat I saw on a trip across the English Channel had 3 reef points and they were all strung on every boat. Must be something to that stuff. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Donald Dutton Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:36 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size (John) Tying the sail up tight to the boom keeps the windage down, keeps the extra sail from flogging and being damaged and, more importantly, keeps rain or spray from filling the sail and causing a lot of weight to gather 2' above your deck where it can cause excessive motion of the boat through the seas. And it looks nicer! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "jraxter@triad. rr.com" <jraxter@triad. rr.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 3:18:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a single line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the mast boom and through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. With the sail tight between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are the reef lines around the boom necessary or just there to make things pretty? Your comments? John From: "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\) " <masconsult@cox. net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700 To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit..... drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro >From: cal40pir8 >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 > AM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line > Size(Mike K.) > > > >Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about > reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. > >Is it > that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or > that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it > difficult? Or all of the above? >Mike M. > >--- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, > Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@ ...> > wrote: >><snipped> > >> I think you would find it hard to > use single line style jiffy reefing >> on a big main like the Cal 40. I > would suggest reef lines only on the >> leach reef points and hooks at > the gooseneck for the tack reef points. >> That means one person leaving > the cockpit to reef but it would be >> faster, I think. Fin has a lot > more experience sailing the 40 than I >> do but I would think changing > headsail size before reefing is also >> important. I think you would go > to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with >> roller furling, before reefing. > That's a big main but the rig is low >> compared to the newer > designs. >> >> Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to > pull down the tack >> reef point. Either way, you will be tying the > other reef points so >> somebody will have to leave the cockpit except > for flattening reefs. >> >> Mike > Kennedy > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 > Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5089 (20100505) > __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset. > com > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506) The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

Make your ties a different color if you choose to tie them in. Don't forger to remove them before you shake out the reef. I NEVER tie them in after I tore the mid panells out of the m'sl of SWAN 65 # 16 Talina 80 miles off the Oregon coast in 1991 God Bless, My best, Mike From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 3:36:12 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size (John) Tying the sail up tight to the boom keeps the windage down, keeps the extra sail from flogging and being damaged and, more importantly, keeps rain or spray from filling the sail and causing a lot of weight to gather 2' above your deck where it can cause excessive motion of the boat through the seas. And it looks nicer! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "jr… [at] triad.rr.com" <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 3:18:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a single line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the mast boom and through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. With the sail tight between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are the reef lines around the boom necessary or just there to make things pretty? Your comments? John From: "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\) " <masconsult@cox. net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700 To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit..... drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro >From: cal40pir8 >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 AM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > >Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. > >Is it that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it difficult? Or all of the above? >Mike M. > >--- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@ ...> wrote: >><snipped> > >> I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing >> on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the >> leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. >> That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be >> faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I >> do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also >> important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with >> roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low >> compared to the newer designs. >> >> Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack >> reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so >> somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. >> >> Mike Kennedy > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5089 (20100505) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset. com > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

I say functional! Th tight foot creates a bag that could fill with air, water etc. I like to tie mine up snug against the boom, minimising the bag effect. My two P's worth IMHO Steve --- On Thu, 5/6/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 6:25 PM I say pretty. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of jraxter@triad. rr.com Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:19 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a single line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the mast boom and through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. With the sail tight between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are the reef lines around the boom necessary or just there to make things pretty? Your comments? John From: "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\) " <masconsult@cox. net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700 To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit..... drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro From: cal40pir8 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. Is it that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it difficult? Or all of the above? Mike M. --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@ ...> wrote: ><snipped> > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing > on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the > leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. > That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be > faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I > do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also > important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with > roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low > compared to the newer designs. > > Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack > reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so > somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. > > Mike Kennedy __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5089 (20100505) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

Steve, I already sent out my discussion on the topic. There are factors on both sides. Cheers Cheers From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Martin Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 11:55 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) I say functional! Th tight foot creates a bag that could fill with air, water etc. I like to tie mine up snug against the boom, minimising the bag effect. My two P's worth IMHO Steve --- On Thu, 5/6/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 6:25 PM I say pretty. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of jraxter@triad. rr.com Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:19 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a single line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the mast boom and through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. With the sail tight between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are the reef lines around the boom necessary or just there to make things pretty? Your comments? John From: "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\) " <masconsult@cox. net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700 To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit..... drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro From: cal40pir8<http://us.mc379.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mi… [at] wahini.org> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://us.mc379.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. Is it that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it difficult? Or all of the above? Mike M. --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com<http://us.mc379.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@ ...> wrote: ><snipped> > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing > on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the > leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. > That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be > faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I > do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also > important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with > roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low > compared to the newer designs. > > Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack > reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so > somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. > > Mike Kennedy __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5089 (20100505) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com<http://www.eset.com/> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com<http://www.eset.com/>

The way Beth and I have been doing it is by dropping the main halyard, running up to the mast to attach our cunningham hook and then scampering back to the cockpit to pull the reef clew line and then snug up the main halyard. If time and conditions permit, we like to loosely tie the lines around the boom just to keep the sail on top of the boom and out of the way. On her 27, we would lower the main, pull on the jiffy reef line and re-hoist the main. All from the cockpit. Then tie up the baggy middle if needed/desired. Mike M. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > Steve, I already sent out my discussion on the topic. There are factors on both sides. > > Cheers > Cheers > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Martin > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 11:55 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > > I say functional! Th tight foot creates a bag that could fill with air, water etc. I like to tie mine up snug against the boom, minimising the bag effect. > > My two P's worth IMHO > > Steve

Does anyone use rubber cordage to tie the sail up at the reef points. Wouldn't streatchy ties keep the sail from ripping at the reef points? I know from experience that an older main will fail across the reef ties and it does not take all that much effort for it to fail. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Martin To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:54 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) I say functional! Th tight foot creates a bag that could fill with air, water etc. I like to tie mine up snug against the boom, minimising the bag effect. My two P's worth IMHO Steve --- On Thu, 5/6/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 6:25 PM I say pretty. Cheers Charlie ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of jraxter@triad. rr.com Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:19 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a single line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the mast boom and through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. With the sail tight between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are the reef lines around the boom necessary or just there to make things pretty? Your comments? John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\) " <masconsult@cox. net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700 To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit..... drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: cal40pir8 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. Is it that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it difficult? Or all of the above? Mike M. --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@ ...> wrote: ><snipped> > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing > on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the > leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. > That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be > faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I > do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also > important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with > roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low > compared to the newer designs. > > Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack > reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so > somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. > > Mike Kennedy __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5089 (20100505) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5095 (20100507) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5096 (20100507) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I imagine that could work. Just gotta be careful using bungie cords. When I had my 25, I thought it would be a good idea to use 'fat strap' bungee cords as sail ties. Those things hurt like heck when they come slinging around and hit you in the face! (Yes, they can put your eye out.) When reefing, I just keep the ties loose but secure with the tack and clew taking the most stress. Mike M. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\)" <masconsult@...> wrote: > > Does anyone use rubber cordage to tie the sail up at the reef points. Wouldn't streatchy ties keep the sail from ripping at the reef points? I know from experience that an older main will fail across the reef ties and it does not take all that much effort for it to fail. > Mark > Cal 2-29 > San Pedro > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Martin > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:54 AM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > > I say functional! Th tight foot creates a bag that could fill with air, water etc. I like to tie mine up snug against the boom, minimising the bag effect. > > My two P's worth IMHO > > Steve > > --- On Thu, 5/6/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > > From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@...> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 6:25 PM > > > > I say pretty. > > Cheers > Charlie > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of jraxter@triad. rr.com > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:19 PM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a single line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the mast boom and through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. With the sail tight between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are the reef lines around the boom necessary or just there to make things pretty? > > Your comments? > John > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\) " <masconsult@cox. net> > Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700 > To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > > I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit..... drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. > Mark > Cal 2-29 > San Pedro > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cal40pir8 > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > > > Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. > > Is it that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it difficult? Or all of the above? > Mike M. > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@ ...> wrote: > ><snipped> > > > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing > > on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the > > leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. > > That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be > > faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I > > do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also > > important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with > > roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low > > compared to the newer designs. > > > > Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack > > reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so > > somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. > > > > Mike Kennedy > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5089 (20100505) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset. com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset. com > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5095 (20100507) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5096 (20100507) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com >

I tend to not use the ties in the mid part of the mainsail when I reef and I reef often on SF Bay . I sail the Golden Gate Beer Cans on the City Front in the summer and I like a reef in the main if the true wind is over 22k at the start. A port tack start against the shore is more easily handled and I am in better control. I shake out the reef soon after the start if the true wind is under 28k. For the short time I don't tie in the mid points but fold the extra cloth in a roll against the boom. I have used yarn to tie in the midpoints so that it will break rather than tear the sail if a tie is forgotten. I have used blue sail ties so that the color contrast lets me know if a tie has been left in. On a bigger boat with more ties it is more likely to overlook a white sail tie in the dark when unreefing. My Best, Mike From: cal40pir8 <mi… [at] wahini.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 6:44:52 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) I imagine that could work. Just gotta be careful using bungie cords. When I had my 25, I thought it would be a good idea to use 'fat strap' bungee cords as sail ties. Those things hurt like heck when they come slinging around and hit you in the face! (Yes, they can put your eye out.) When reefing, I just keep the ties loose but secure with the tack and clew taking the most stress. Mike M. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\)" <masconsult@...> wrote: > > Does anyone use rubber cordage to tie the sail up at the reef points. Wouldn't streatchy ties keep the sail from ripping at the reef points? I know from experience that an older main will fail across the reef ties and it does not take all that much effort for it to fail. > Mark > Cal 2-29 > San Pedro > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Martin > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:54 AM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > > I say functional! Th tight foot creates a bag that could fill with air, water etc. I like to tie mine up snug against the boom, minimising the bag effect. > > My two P's worth IMHO > > Steve > > --- On Thu, 5/6/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > > From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@...> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 6:25 PM > > > > I say pretty. > > Cheers > Charlie > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of jraxter@triad. rr.com > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:19 PM > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a single line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the mast boom and through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. With the sail tight between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are the reef lines around the boom necessary or just there to make things pretty? > > Your comments? > John > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\) " <masconsult@cox. net> > Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700 > To: <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > > I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than one minute from the cockpit..... drop the halyard, pull the tack line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. > Mark > Cal 2-29 > San Pedro > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cal40pir8 > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > > > Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree about reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. > > Is it that you think there would be too much load on the sail to use jiffy reef, or that the friction from the turning points in the cringles would make it difficult? Or all of the above? > Mike M. > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, Michael Kennedy <mtkennedy1@ ...> wrote: > ><snipped> > > > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy reefing > > on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only on the > > leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef points. > > That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be > > faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 than I > > do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also > > important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent with > > roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is low > > compared to the newer designs. > > > > Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the tack > > reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so > > somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. > > > > Mike Kennedy > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5089 (20100505) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset. com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset. com > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5095 (20100507) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5096 (20100507) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > > I say pretty. Yeah, me too. On boats with sail slugs along the boom, you should tie the reef points under the sail, not around the boom. They are there to gather up the extra sail cloth, not to do the sail shaping. That's the job of the tack and clew lines, which should pull the foot of the sail tight. Most reef points aren't very heavy-duty and can tear the sail if stressed too hard. Chris Campbell > > Cheers > Charlie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *jr… [at] triad.rr.com > *Sent:* Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:19 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > Here's a question I've been pondering. My Cal 33 basically has a > single line reef system, one line pulls down the clew (tack) at the > mast boom and through a double pulley in the boom pulls the out haul. > With the sail tight between the two at the new "foot' of the sail, are > the reef lines around the boom necessary or just there to make things > pretty? > > Your comments? > John > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\)" <ma… [at] cox.net> > *Date: *Thu, 6 May 2010 11:33:17 -0700 > *To: *<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Subject: *Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > > I just went through this reef line mental tug of war and because of > two much friction with single line reefing, I am happy to have one > line for the tack and one for the outhaul, the halyard is marked one > band for first reef and two for second. I happen to keep my topping > lift attached to boom so reefing can be accomplished in less than > one minute from the cockpit.....drop the halyard, pull the tack > line and pull the outhaul, done without friction!. > Mark > Cal 2-29 > San Pedro > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* cal40pir8 <mailto:mi… [at] wahini.org> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:38 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Re: Jiffy Reef Line Size(Mike K.) > > > > > Thanks Mike. This is basically how we have it rigged now. I agree > about reefing headsail first. She's a headsail driven boat, after all. > > Is it that you think there would be too much load on the sail to > use jiffy reef, or that the friction from the turning points in > the cringles would make it difficult? Or all of the above? > Mike M. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Michael Kennedy > <mtkennedy1@...> wrote: > ><snipped> > > > I think you would find it hard to use single line style jiffy > reefing > > on a big main like the Cal 40. I would suggest reef lines only > on the > > leach reef points and hooks at the gooseneck for the tack reef > points. > > That means one person leaving the cockpit to reef but it would be > > faster, I think. Fin has a lot more experience sailing the 40 > than I > > do but I would think changing headsail size before reefing is also > > important. I think you would go to a 100% jib, or the equivalent > with > > roller furling, before reefing. That's a big main but the rig is > low > > compared to the newer designs. > > > > Another way to do it would be a Cunningham hook to pull down the > tack > > reef point. Either way, you will be tying the other reef points so > > somebody will have to leave the cockpit except for flattening reefs. > > > > Mike Kennedy > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5089 (20100505) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com <http://www.eset.com> > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5092 (20100506) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com <http://www.eset.com> > > >