Exciting America's Cup news

“Every candidate city knows that a very strong case has already been put forward by San Francisco.” — BMW Oracle Racing CEO Russell Coutts. With those 17 words, Russell Coutts buoyed the hopes of every America’s Cup fan who’d like to see the match for the 34th America’s Cup contested on the Bay. Almost as tantalizing was one of the requirements that have been laid down for the next class of America’s Cup boats: they should be able to race in any venue from 5-35 knots. If those two tidbits from yesterday’s press conference in Rome — hosted by BMW Oracle Racing and the Challenger of Record, Club Nautico di Roma — weren’t enough to get you excited about the chances of the next Cup match coming to the Bay, then check your pulse. The other key announcements? • The protocol for the 34th America’s Cup will be issued by August 31. • The design rule will be released by September 30. • The NOR and SIs will be published by December 31. • The venue will be confirmed by December 31. • The challenge period will open October 1 and stay open only until January 31. • The most likely dates will be between 2013-14. As expected, the teams have committed to having a professional and neutral race management team not controlled by the defender, and that BMW Oracle Racing will not be sailing in the Challenger Series. Also as expected, they announced that regular circuit-style racing in multiple cities will precede the Cup. That point, plus the timing of the challenge period and the announcement of a three- or four-year Cup cycle point to a lot of activity very quickly on the Cup front. We like that a lot; these guys are sending it, and that’s exactly what needs to happen to capitalize on all the buzz created by ACs 32 & 33. You can catch the whole conference at www.americascup.com.

Mayor Gavin Newsom seemed very enthusiastic at city hall for the Cup Celebration. It is the board of supervisors that need to get on board. Supervisor Ross Meurcerini(sp?) comes from Newport RI and is very enthusiastic about the Cup on SF Bay. This 34th challenge will need to be presented to non sailors on the board in terms of what it will do for San Francisco. I believe that this can be done on many levels economic, youth support, community building, tourism and a whole lot more. The focus must move from elitist yacht club billionaires squabbling against each other to the excitement that can be had by nearly anyone on the water. It will be our job as Golden Gate Yacht Club members to keep the focus on the real message. Politics considered, San Francisco is a difficult place to gain consensus. I'm sure it won't be easy, however it's worth it. My Best, Mike Farrell From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; md… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 11:43:49 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news “Every candidate city knows that a very strong case has already been put forward by San Francisco.” — BMW Oracle Racing CEO Russell Coutts. With those 17 words, Russell Coutts buoyed the hopes of every America’s Cup fan who’d like to see the match for the 34th America’s Cup contested on the Bay. Almost as tantalizing was one of the requirements that have been laid down for the next class of America’s Cup boats: they should be able to race in any venue from 5-35 knots. If those two tidbits from yesterday’s press conference in Rome — hosted by BMW Oracle Racing and the Challenger of Record, Club Nautico di Roma — weren’t enough to get you excited about the chances of the next Cup match coming to the Bay, then check your pulse. The other key announcements? • The protocol for the 34th America’s Cup will be issued by August 31. • The design rule will be released by September 30. • The NOR and SIs will be published by December 31. • The venue will be confirmed by December 31. • The challenge period will open October 1 and stay open only until January 31. • The most likely dates will be between 2013-14. As expected, the teams have committed to having a professional and neutral race management team not controlled by the defender, and that BMW Oracle Racing will not be sailing in the Challenger Series. Also as expected, they announced that regular circuit-style racing in multiple cities will precede the Cup. That point, plus the timing of the challenge period and the announcement of a three- or four-year Cup cycle point to a lot of activity very quickly on the Cup front. We like that a lot; these guys are sending it, and that’s exactly what needs to happen to capitalize on all the buzz created by ACs 32 & 33. You can catch the whole conference at www.americascup.com.

Gerald Sobel wrote: > > > /“Every candidate city knows that a very strong case has already been > put forward by San Francisco.”/ — BMW Oracle Racing CEO Russell Coutts. > > With those 17 words, Russell Coutts buoyed the hopes of every > America’s Cup fan who’d like to see the match for the 34th America’s > Cup contested on the Bay. Almost as tantalizing was one of the > requirements that have been laid down for the next class of America’s > Cup boats: they should be able to race in any venue from 5-35 knots. > All the sailing columnist whom I've read have agreed with me that the race has become less than boooorring, and completely irrelevant. Mostly it's because it has become a purely spending contest, or a rules-writing contest, with dainty boats that can't sail in normally varying conditions. So WOW!!!! If they have to be able to sail on SF Bay in 5-35 knots, that's a real-world kind of specification, isn't it? Maybe the race will be decided by sailing skill, at least in part. Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > > >

I thought the race had to be sailed on open ocean, not a bay. On 5/10/10, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > > > > Gerald Sobel wrote: > > *“Every candidate city knows that a very strong case has already been > put forward by San Francisco.”* — BMW Oracle Racing CEO Russell Coutts. > > With those 17 words, Russell Coutts buoyed the hopes of every America’s Cup > fan who’d like to see the match for the 34th America’s Cup contested on the > Bay. Almost as tantalizing was one of the requirements that have been laid > down for the next class of America’s Cup boats: they should be able to race > in any venue from 5-35 knots. > > > All the sailing columnist whom I've read have agreed with me that the race > has become less than boooorring, and completely irrelevant. Mostly it's > because it has become a purely spending contest, or a rules-writing contest, > with dainty boats that can't sail in normally varying conditions. > > So WOW!!!! If they have to be able to sail on SF Bay in 5-35 knots, that's > a real-world kind of specification, isn't it? Maybe the race will be > decided by sailing skill, at least in part. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > > -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] 602-507-9445 [Fax] 520-302-5206 [Tucson] br… [at] stirlinglaw.com http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers The information in this e-mail communication is Privileged and Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the undersigned sender immediately and then delete this e-mail.

I still think that the final should have at least 3 boats instead of being a match race of mismatched boats. the tactics would be radically altered, and it might actually be more like racing. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:59 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news Gerald Sobel wrote: "Every candidate city knows that a very strong case has already been put forward by San Francisco." - BMW Oracle Racing CEO Russell Coutts. With those 17 words, Russell Coutts buoyed the hopes of every America's Cup fan who'd like to see the match for the 34th America's Cup contested on the Bay. Almost as tantalizing was one of the requirements that have been laid down for the next class of America's Cup boats: they should be able to race in any venue from 5-35 knots. All the sailing columnist whom I've read have agreed with me that the race has become less than boooorring, and completely irrelevant. Mostly it's because it has become a purely spending contest, or a rules-writing contest, with dainty boats that can't sail in normally varying conditions. So WOW!!!! If they have to be able to sail on SF Bay in 5-35 knots, that's a real-world kind of specification, isn't it? Maybe the race will be decided by sailing skill, at least in part. Chris Campbell

Holding the cup races on SF Bay would be fabulous so long as most of the preliminary races are held on weekdays. And lets hope the new design rules allow the boats to scream off wind. One of my fondest memories on the bay is having two TP52's scream by me in the 'slot' at full tilt. Yeee Haaaa! Dave 80 Cal 35 Runnin Late Coyote Pt, SF Bay From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; md… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 11:43:49 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news “

I sounds to me like the new America's Cup boats will be more like Volvo 70's, since they are capable of racing in 5-35 (or greater) knots of wind. On the other hand, where will the spectator fleet be in winds over 20 knots? I'm thinking I like the idea of scaled down versions of the last cup's multi hulls, or maybe even a mono hull and a multi hull division. They'll have to cast a new copy of the cup? Or maybe three? I like the idea of 19th century division of wooden replicas: gaff rigged schooners and cutters. The possibilities are endless, so many ways for mega million millionaires to spend money extravagantly, which of course leads to, just to be fair,...a fourth division, of classic plastics for middle class blokes likes us-inz! Jerry --- On Mon, 5/10/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 7:22 AM I still think that the final should have at least 3 boats instead of being a match race of mismatched boats. the tactics would be radically altered, and it might actually be more like racing. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:59 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news Gerald Sobel wrote: “Every candidate city knows that a very strong case has already been put forward by San Francisco.” — BMW Oracle Racing CEO Russell Coutts. With those 17 words, Russell Coutts buoyed the hopes of every America’s Cup fan who’d like to see the match for the 34th America’s Cup contested on the Bay. Almost as tantalizing was one of the requirements that have been laid down for the next class of America’s Cup boats: they should be able to race in any venue from 5-35 knots. All the sailing columnist whom I've read have agreed with me that the race has become less than boooorring, and completely irrelevant. Mostly it's because it has become a purely spending contest, or a rules-writing contest, with dainty boats that can't sail in normally varying conditions. So WOW!!!! If they have to be able to sail on SF Bay in 5-35 knots, that's a real-world kind of specification, isn't it? Maybe the race will be decided by sailing skill, at least in part. Chris Campbell

Jerry, I don't object to the expenditures. There is some neat technology investment, and very specialized technology and exotic materials businesses are kept afloat (no pun intended). Money has been spent in worse ways. I would just like to see competition that is a little closer to what I would recognize as sailing and demonstrations of sailing skill. As Dennis Connor said about CAL 20s. There isn't much you can do to make them faster, so your tactics better be good. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:49 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news I sounds to me like the new America's Cup boats will be more like Volvo 70's, since they are capable of racing in 5-35 (or greater) knots of wind. On the other hand, where will the spectator fleet be in winds over 20 knots? I'm thinking I like the idea of scaled down versions of the last cup's multi hulls, or maybe even a mono hull and a multi hull division. They'll have to cast a new copy of the cup? Or maybe three? I like the idea of 19th century division of wooden replicas: gaff rigged schooners and cutters. The possibilities are endless, so many ways for mega million millionaires to spend money extravagantly, which of course leads to, just to be fair,...a fourth division, of classic plastics for middle class blokes likes us-inz! Jerry --- On Mon, 5/10/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 7:22 AM I still think that the final should have at least 3 boats instead of being a match race of mismatched boats. the tactics would be radically altered, and it might actually be more like racing. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:59 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news Gerald Sobel wrote: "Every candidate city knows that a very strong case has already been put forward by San Francisco." - BMW Oracle Racing CEO Russell Coutts. With those 17 words, Russell Coutts buoyed the hopes of every America's Cup fan who'd like to see the match for the 34th America's Cup contested on the Bay. Almost as tantalizing was one of the requirements that have been laid down for the next class of America's Cup boats: they should be able to race in any venue from 5-35 knots. All the sailing columnist whom I've read have agreed with me that the race has become less than boooorring, and completely irrelevant. Mostly it's because it has become a purely spending contest, or a rules-writing contest, with dainty boats that can't sail in normally varying conditions. So WOW!!!! If they have to be able to sail on SF Bay in 5-35 knots, that's a real-world kind of specification, isn't it? Maybe the race will be decided by sailing skill, at least in part. Chris Campbell

"As Dennis Connor said about CAL 20s. There isn't much you can do to make them faster, so your tactics better be good." That is what I love the most about true one-design class racing like in Lasers or Flying Scots. These classes are very tightly controlled and, basically, the boats are the same from one to the other. When you win, you are sailing better than the competition, not riding on a less "tweaked" boat. I once finished second to Rod Johnstone racing in JY15's -- had him until I had to tack for the burdened Finish Line -- and that one tactical error decided the race. His skills were complete and mine were slightly flawed enough for him to prevail. Also, never made that mistake again! I understand the drive to build the best boat and to have the best technology over the other guy. That is an equally important part of the world to compete in and it brings us great new gear and better and better boats. But, for me, my budget, and my crew, I am very glad that the one design classes that keep it only about competing as a sailor still exist. Long live Cal 20's, Flying Scots, Lasers, and Sunfish! But, also long live the billionaires who spend the money to create the need for high tech Harken blocks so that my wife can trim the mainsheet traveler with one hand instead of a winch on my cruiser Cal 33-2! The ball bearing traveler car system was developed for racers, but it sure makes my cruising boat more enjoyable. And, on occasion when we do race her, it makes us faster as well. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 5:55:30 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news Jerry, I don't object to the expenditures. There is some neat technology investment, and very specialized technology and exotic materials businesses are kept afloat (no pun intended). Money has been spent in worse ways. I would just like to see competition that is a little closer to what I would recognize as sailing and demonstrations of sailing skill. As Dennis Connor said about CAL 20s. There isn't much you can do to make them faster, so your tactics better be good. Cheers Charlie

Donald Dutton wrote: > > > I understand the drive to build the best boat and to have the best > technology over the other guy. That is an equally important part of > the world to compete in and it brings us great new gear and better and > better boats. But, for me, my budget, and my crew, I am very glad > that the one design classes that keep it only about competing as a > sailor still exist. Long live Cal 20's, Flying Scots, Lasers, and > Sunfish! The DN iceboat is an example of both sides. The modern boats, light, with tweaked geometry, bendy masts, good sails, and precisely adjusted runners, will beat the hell out of my 1957 version, regardless of skipper skill. But the DN class has regulated itself to accommodate technology without allowing the price to run up too much, so anybody who wants a competitive boat can afford one. And in the competitive-boat fleet, it's skill (and some luck) that separates the racers. You can't really hide from technological change, but you can insulate yourself from changes that are so drastic that they give an unfair advantage to deep pockets or clever rules-writing. > > But, also long live the billionaires who spend the money to create the > need for high tech Harken blocks so that my wife can trim the > mainsheet traveler with one hand instead of a winch on my cruiser Cal > 33-2! I remembered how much my hand hurt as a kid, trying to hold the sheet on the DN iceboat, balancing the pain against the thrill of sailing very fast. So when I finally had a real job and a little pocket change, I spent part of it on a nice Harken ratchet block like all the fancy boats had, and oh! Life was easier! Now I had fun without the pain. Chris Campbell

Ok, IMNSHO, sail boat racing is about the crew, single, double handed or full crew on a 70+ foot boat, sailing is about the crew. (period!) I think someone else wrote a book about this concerning one of the tragic TrasAtl races of the 70s. Good read if you can find it. The last AC was about who could spend more $ than the other. Yippee we won, but what did we win? Hopefully the opportunity to bring this back to reality. Big boat racing is the latest tech, power winches, power (canting) keels, hi-tech wind forecasting, etc. All this does is eliminate the crew, tactician, grinders, or skipper. Let's get back to the racing, fully crewed, low tech boats. Carbon fiber boats and mast, Kevlar or spectra sails, this is what I consider as equipment. We are an advanced species because we use tools. Let's have a race using the "tools", and remain dependent on the crew to manage the boats. TYMLL john From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donald Dutton Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:14 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Charlie) "As Dennis Connor said about CAL 20s. There isn't much you can do to make them faster, so your tactics better be good." That is what I love the most about true one-design class racing like in Lasers or Flying Scots. These classes are very tightly controlled and, basically, the boats are the same from one to the other. When you win, you are sailing better than the competition, not riding on a less "tweaked" boat. I once finished second to Rod Johnstone racing in JY15's -- had him until I had to tack for the burdened Finish Line -- and that one tactical error decided the race. His skills were complete and mine were slightly flawed enough for him to prevail. Also, never made that mistake again! I understand the drive to build the best boat and to have the best technology over the other guy. That is an equally important part of the world to compete in and it brings us great new gear and better and better boats. But, for me, my budget, and my crew, I am very glad that the one design classes that keep it only about competing as a sailor still exist. Long live Cal 20's, Flying Scots, Lasers, and Sunfish! But, also long live the billionaires who spend the money to create the need for high tech Harken blocks so that my wife can trim the mainsheet traveler with one hand instead of a winch on my cruiser Cal 33-2! The ball bearing traveler car system was developed for racers, but it sure makes my cruising boat more enjoyable. And, on occasion when we do race her, it makes us faster as well. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain _____ From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 5:55:30 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news Jerry, I don't object to the expenditures. There is some neat technology investment, and very specialized technology and exotic materials businesses are kept afloat (no pun intended). Money has been spent in worse ways. I would just like to see competition that is a little closer to what I would recognize as sailing and demonstrations of sailing skill. As Dennis Connor said about CAL 20s. There isn't much you can do to make them faster, so your tactics better be good. Cheers Charlie

In all fairness to Dennis Connor there is a lot you can do to a cal20 to make it faster. Dennis in his book " No Excuse to Lose" says that he can win if he believes that he has a faster boat. A faster boat is lighter, has a better bottom and was cleaned the day of the race or day before the race. Tune your spar! You can give away so much if your rig is not optomised and tuned. Shift gears, condition so the race course change. Be on top of those changes! when in doubt set and set early, train your crew and expect the same commitment from them that you have. After every race email your crew ---What we did right what we did not do right and what we could do better next race. As a skipper you must bring the best effort and expect the same from your crew to win. Winning is what it is all about-- there is no second place My Best, Mike From: john raxter <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 6:21:48 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Charlie) Ok, IMNSHO, sail boat racing is about the crew, single, double handed or full crew on a 70+ foot boat, sailing is about the crew. (period!) I think someone else wrote a book about this concerning one of the tragic TrasAtl races of the 70s. Good read if you can find it. The last AC was about who could spend more $ than the other. Yippee we won, but what did we win? Hopefully the opportunity to bring this back to reality. Big boat racing is the latest tech, power winches, power (canting) keels, hi-tech wind forecasting, etc. All this does is eliminate the crew, tactician, grinders, or skipper. Let’s get back to the racing, fully crewed, low tech boats. Carbon fiber boats and mast, Kevlar or spectra sails, this is what I consider as equipment. We are an advanced species because we use tools. Let’s have a race using the “tools”, and remain dependent on the crew to manage the boats. TYMLL john From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donald Dutton Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:14 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Charlie) "As Dennis Connor said about CAL 20s. There isn't much you can do to make them faster, so your tactics better be good." That is what I love the most about true one-design class racing like in Lasers or Flying Scots. These classes are very tightly controlled and, basically, the boats are the same from one to the other. When you win, you are sailing better than the competition, not riding on a less "tweaked" boat. I once finished second to Rod Johnstone racing in JY15's -- had him until I had to tack for the burdened Finish Line -- and that one tactical error decided the race. His skills were complete and mine were slightly flawed enough for him to prevail. Also, never made that mistake again! I understand the drive to build the best boat and to have the best technology over the other guy. That is an equally important part of the world to compete in and it brings us great new gear and better and better boats. But, for me, my budget, and my crew, I am very glad that the one design classes that keep it only about competing as a sailor still exist. Long live Cal 20's, Flying Scots, Lasers, and Sunfish! But, also long live the billionaires who spend the money to create the need for high tech Harken blocks so that my wife can trim the mainsheet traveler with one hand instead of a winch on my cruiser Cal 33-2! The ball bearing traveler car system was developed for racers, but it sure makes my cruising boat more enjoyable. And, on occasion when we do race her, it makes us faster as well. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From:"Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 5:55:30 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news Jerry, I don't object to the expenditures. There is some neat technology investment, and very specialized technology and exotic materials businesses are kept afloat (no pun intended). Money has been spent in worse ways. I would just like to see competition that is a little closer to what I would recognize as sailing and demonstrations of sailing skill. As Dennis Connor said about CAL 20s. There isn't much you can do to make them faster, so your tactics better be good. Cheers Charlie

In all fairness to you, Mike, what you are describing is what makesyou a faster sailor and your crew a better crew, not making the boat faster by buying expensive gear! Time on the water, practice, crew coordination, knowing how to tune your rig, cleaning the bottom, shifting gears -- are all crew and captain characteristics and are what make you compete at the top of your game. Exotic sails purchased more often, moving blocks, re-shaping the hull, changing rudder and keel shape, are all things prohibited by the one design classes that I mentioned. I always took my crew to dinner (Tookie's in Seabrook) after a race and we discussed what we did right or wrong for a couple of hours afterward. Better than email any day! And we spent hours sailing boat against boat in tacking duels practicing crew work and boat speed on non-race days. That made us sail faster, and, by extension, the boat sail faster. We didn't buy gear and install gadgets or remove material from the boat! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 11:45:21 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Charlie) In all fairness to Dennis Connor there is a lot you can do to a cal20 to make it faster. Dennis in his book " No Excuse to Lose" says that he can win if he believes that he has a faster boat. A faster boat is lighter, has a better bottom and was cleaned the day of the race or day before the race. Tune your spar! You can give away so much if your rig is not optomised and tuned. Shift gears, condition so the race course change. Be on top of those changes! when in doubt set and set early, train your crew and expect the same commitment from them that you have. After every race email your crew ---What we did right what we did not do right and what we could do better next race. As a skipper you must bring the best effort and expect the same from your crew to win. Winning is what it is all about-- there is no second place My Best, Mike <!-- { padding:0 10px;} hr { } #hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #ads { margin-bottom:10px;} .ad { } .ad a { color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} { } #hd { font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} .ad { margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} a { color:#1e66ae;} #actions { } #activity { background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;} #activity span { font-weight:700;} #activity span:first-child { text-transform:uppercase;} #activity span a { color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;} #activity span span { color:#ff7900;} #activity span .underline { text-decoration:underline;} .attach { clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;} .attach div a { text-decoration:none;} .attach img { padding-right:5px;} .attach label { display:block;margin-bottom:5px;} .attach label a { text-decoration:none;} blockquote { } .bold { font-weight:700;} .bold a { text-decoration:none;} dd.last p a { font-weight:700;} dd.last p span { margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;} dd.last p span.yshortcuts { margin-right:0;} div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration:none;} div.attach-table { } div.file-title a, div.file-title a:active, div.file-title a:hover, div.file-title a:visited { text-decoration:none;} div.photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited { text-decoration:none;} div p a span.yshortcuts { font-weight:normal;} .green { color:#628c2a;} .MsoNormal { } o { } #photos div { float:left;width:72px;} #photos div div { height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;} #photos div label { color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;} #reco-category { } #reco-desc { } .replbq { } div a:first-child { margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;} { } table { font:100%;} select, input, textarea { font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} pre, code { font:115% monospace;} * { } #logo { padding-bottom:10px;} a { color:#1E66AE;} p a { } p#attach-count span { color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;} #reco-head { color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;} { margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;} #ov li a { text-decoration:none;} #ov li { list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;} #ov ul { } { } p { } tt { } ul li:last-child { border-right:none !important; } -->

You are right, Don in the last 2 years I have restored 7 Cal 20's and I have a garage full of stuff that owners installed to make their boats faster or easier to sail. Keep it simple and have multiple functions for any deck gear. My point is that a Cal 20 can be made faster by raking the mast, removing the fore lowers and adding flotation to the OB well for example. I would add a companionway bridge for control lines, HD spreader fittings and an adjustable backstay. When I raced Cal 20's in the 70's we could not adjust our backstays during a race. Boats that now race in Southern California are very different than boats raced in Northern California. By Dennis's standards there is not a lot you can do to a Cal 20 to make it faster, but you can still do a lot to slow it down. On SF Bay a cal 20 sails with Graphite sails. He says they are not faster but then why does he use them. At the Vallejo race he told me his jib is worth more than his boat. It's perspective. My Best, Mike From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 7:06:51 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Mike) In all fairness to you, Mike, what you are describing is what makesyou a faster sailor and your crew a better crew, not making the boat faster by buying expensive gear! Time on the water, practice, crew coordination, knowing how to tune your rig, cleaning the bottom, shifting gears -- are all crew and captain characteristics and are what make you compete at the top of your game. Exotic sails purchased more often, moving blocks, re-shaping the hull, changing rudder and keel shape, are all things prohibited by the one design classes that I mentioned. I always took my crew to dinner (Tookie's in Seabrook) after a race and we discussed what we did right or wrong for a couple of hours afterward. Better than email any day! And we spent hours sailing boat against boat in tacking duels practicing crew work and boat speed on non-race days. That made us sail faster, and, by extension, the boat sail faster. We didn't buy gear and install gadgets or remove material from the boat! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 11:45:21 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Charlie) In all fairness to Dennis Connor there is a lot you can do to a cal20 to make it faster. Dennis in his book " No Excuse to Lose" says that he can win if he believes that he has a faster boat. A faster boat is lighter, has a better bottom and was cleaned the day of the race or day before the race. Tune your spar! You can give away so much if your rig is not optomised and tuned. Shift gears, condition so the race course change. Be on top of those changes! when in doubt set and set early, train your crew and expect the same commitment from them that you have. After every race email your crew ---What we did right what we did not do right and what we could do better next race. As a skipper you must bring the best effort and expect the same from your crew to win. Winning is what it is all about-- there is no second place My Best, Mike

Congrats on the restorations, Mike. That is how we keep our Fleets alive. My living room is presently covered with wood parts for bunks and cabinets in a CAL 25 I'm working on. Then there is the mast support beam in the corner. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike farrell Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:26 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Mike) You are right, Don in the last 2 years I have restored 7 Cal 20's and I have a garage full of stuff that owners installed to make their boats faster or easier to sail. Keep it simple and have multiple functions for any deck gear. My point is that a Cal 20 can be made faster by raking the mast, removing the fore lowers and adding flotation to the OB well for example. I would add a companionway bridge for control lines, HD spreader fittings and an adjustable backstay. When I raced Cal 20's in the 70's we could not adjust our backstays during a race. Boats that now race in Southern California are very different than boats raced in Northern California. By Dennis's standards there is not a lot you can do to a Cal 20 to make it faster, but you can still do a lot to slow it down. On SF Bay a cal 20 sails with Graphite sails. He says they are not faster but then why does he use them. At the Vallejo race he told me his jib is worth more than his boat. It's perspective. My Best, Mike From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 7:06:51 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Mike) In all fairness to you, Mike, what you are describing is what makes you a faster sailor and your crew a better crew, not making the boat faster by buying expensive gear! Time on the water, practice, crew coordination, knowing how to tune your rig, cleaning the bottom, shifting gears -- are all crew and captain characteristics and are what make you compete at the top of your game. Exotic sails purchased more often, moving blocks, re-shaping the hull, changing rudder and keel shape, are all things prohibited by the one design classes that I mentioned. I always took my crew to dinner (Tookie's in Seabrook) after a race and we discussed what we did right or wrong for a couple of hours afterward. Better than email any day! And we spent hours sailing boat against boat in tacking duels practicing crew work and boat speed on non-race days. That made us sail faster, and, by extension, the boat sail faster. We didn't buy gear and install gadgets or remove material from the boat! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 11:45:21 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Charlie) In all fairness to Dennis Connor there is a lot you can do to a cal20 to make it faster. Dennis in his book " No Excuse to Lose" says that he can win if he believes that he has a faster boat. A faster boat is lighter, has a better bottom and was cleaned the day of the race or day before the race. Tune your spar! You can give away so much if your rig is not optomised and tuned. Shift gears, condition so the race course change. Be on top of those changes! when in doubt set and set early, train your crew and expect the same commitment from them that you have. After every race email your crew ---What we did right what we did not do right and what we could do better next race. As a skipper you must bring the best effort and expect the same from your crew to win. Winning is what it is all about-- there is no second place My Best, Mike

Why is your email not "wrapping" around? Very hard to read. Everyone please check your settings to make sure your emails wrap around instead of trailing off five feet to the right. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net>wrote: > > > In all fairness to you, Mike, what you are describing is what makes you a > faster sailor and your crew a better crew, not making the boat faster by > buying expensive gear! Time on the water, practice, crew coordination, > knowing how to tune your rig, cleaning the bottom, shifting gears -- are all > crew and captain characteristics and are what make you compete at the top of > your game. Exotic sails purchased more often, moving blocks, re-shaping the > hull, changing rudder and keel shape, are all things prohibited by the one > design classes that I mentioned. > > I always took my crew to dinner (Tookie's in Seabrook) after a race and we > discussed what we did right or wrong for a couple of hours afterward. > Better than email any day! And we spent hours sailing boat against boat in > tacking duels practicing crew work and boat speed on non-race days. That > made us sail faster, and, by extension, the boat sail faster. We didn't buy > gear and install gadgets or remove material from the boat! > > Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you > didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail > away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. > Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tue, May 11, 2010 11:45:21 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Charlie) > > > > In all fairness to Dennis Connor there is a lot you can do to a cal20 > to make it faster. Dennis in his book " No Excuse to Lose" says that he can > win if he believes that he has a faster boat. > A faster boat is lighter, has a better bottom and was cleaned the day of > the race or day before the race. Tune your spar! You can give away so much > if your rig is not optomised and tuned. Shift gears, condition so the race > course change. Be on top of those changes! when in doubt set and set early, > train your crew and expect the same commitment from them that you have. > After every race email your crew ---What we did right what we did not do > right and what we could do better next race. As a skipper you must bring > the best effort and expect the same from your crew to win. Winning is what > it is all about-- there is no second place > My Best, Mike > > ------------------------------ > ** > > -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] 602-507-9445 [Fax] 520-302-5206 [Tucson] br… [at] stirlinglaw.com http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers The information in this e-mail communication is Privileged and Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the undersigned sender immediately and then delete this e-mail.

Bruce, Those emails wrap fine on my mail program...... Maybe check your settings. I will complain about wierd sized text -- some posts are really small and hard to read and some are huge and take a ton of scrolling. Can't find any settings on my prefs that stabilze the size at all. Have no idea how mine read. Hope well. Wilkie On May 12, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Bruce Stirling wrote: > Why is your email not "wrapping" around? Very hard to read. > Everyone please check your settings to make sure your emails wrap > around instead of trailing > off five feet to the right. > > > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Donald Dutton > <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > In all fairness to you, Mike, what you are describing is what makes > you a faster sailor and your crew a better crew, not making theboat > faster by buying expensive gear! Time on the water, practice, crew > coordination, knowing how to tune your rig, cleaning the bottom, > shifting gears -- are all crew and captain characteristics and are > what make you compete at the top of your game. Exotic sails > purchased more often, moving blocks, re-shaping the hull, changing > rudder and keel shape, are all things prohibited by the one design > classes that I mentioned. > > I always took my crew to dinner (Tookie's in Seabrook) after a race > and we discussed what we did right or wrong for a couple of hours > afterward. Better than email any day! And we spent hours sailing > boat against boat in tacking duels practicing crew work and boat > speed on non-race days. That made us sail faster, and, by extension, > the boat sail faster. We didn't buy gear and install gadgets or > remove material from the boat! > > Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things > you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the > bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in > your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain > > > From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 11:45:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Charlie) > > > > In all fairness to Dennis Connor there is a lot you can do to > a cal20 to make it faster. Dennis in his book " No Excuse to Lose" > says that he can win if he believes that he has a faster boat. > A faster boat is lighter, has a better bottom and was cleaned the > day of the race or day before the race. Tune your spar! You can > give away so much if your rig is not optomised and tuned. Shift > gears, condition so the race course change. Be on top of those > changes! when in doubt set and set early, train your crew and expect > the same commitment from them that you have. After every race email > your crew ---What we did right what we did not do right and what we > could do better next race. As a skipper you must bring the best > effort and expect the same from your crew to win. Winning is what > it is all about-- there is no second place > My Best, Mike > > > > > -- > Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. > 602.254.6638 > 602.460.5631 [Cell] > 602-507-9445 [Fax] > 520-302-5206 [Tucson] > br… [at] stirlinglaw.com > http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers > > The information in this e-mail communication is Privileged and > Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > the undersigned sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. > >

These pix were taken today. I cannot really place value. It is what it is. I like gray boats. How much time? I don't know. Early Cal 20's had fiberglas tubes , not plywood cores. They were lighter (faster) RAMBLER 1114 was first on Sat and second on Sunday in the Great Vallejo Race DH Div. She is heavy. This win is because of my great crew Dave Morris. Next race is GGYC Friday series on Friday at 1830h. My best, mike From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 1:57:46 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Mike) Congrats on the restorations, Mike. That is how we keep our Fleets alive. My living room is presently covered with wood parts for bunks and cabinets in a CAL 25 I'm working on. Then there is the mast support beam in the corner. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike farrell Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:26 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Mike) You are right, Don in the last 2 years I have restored 7 Cal 20's and I have a garage full of stuff that owners installed to make their boats faster or easier to sail. Keep it simple and have multiple functions for any deck gear. My point is that a Cal 20 can be made faster by raking the mast, removing the fore lowers and adding flotation to the OB well for example. I would add a companionway bridge for control lines, HD spreader fittings and an adjustable backstay. When I raced Cal 20's in the 70's we could not adjust our backstays during a race. Boats that now race in Southern California are very different than boats raced in Northern California. By Dennis's standards there is not a lot you can do to a Cal 20 to make it faster, but you can still do a lot to slow it down. On SF Bay a cal 20 sails with Graphite sails. He says they are not faster but then why does he use them. At the Vallejo race he told me his jib is worth more than his boat. It's perspective. My Best, Mike From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 7:06:51 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Mike) In all fairness to you, Mike, what you are describing is what makesyou a faster sailor and your crew a better crew, not making the boat faster by buying expensive gear! Time on the water, practice, crew coordination, knowing how to tune your rig, cleaning the bottom, shifting gears -- are all crew and captain characteristics and are what make you compete at the top of your game. Exotic sails purchased more often, moving blocks, re-shaping the hull, changing rudder and keel shape, are all things prohibited by the one design classes that I mentioned. I always took my crew to dinner (Tookie's in Seabrook) after a race and we discussed what we did right or wrong for a couple of hours afterward. Better than email any day! And we spent hours sailing boat against boat in tacking duels practicing crew work and boat speed on non-race days. That made us sail faster, and, by extension, the boat sail faster. We didn't buy gear and install gadgets or remove material from the boat! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 11:45:21 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Charlie) In all fairness to Dennis Connor there is a lot you can do to a cal20 to make it faster. Dennis in his book " No Excuse to Lose" says that he can win if he believes that he has a faster boat. A faster boat is lighter, has a better bottom and was cleaned the day of the race or day before the race. Tune your spar! You can give away so much if your rig is not optomised and tuned. Shift gears, condition so the race course change. Be on top of those changes! when in doubt set and set early, train your crew and expect the same commitment from them that you have. After every race email your crew ---What we did right what we did not do right and what we could do better next race. As a skipper you must bring the best effort and expect the same from your crew to win. Winning is what it is all about-- there is no second place My Best, Mike

Most wrap just fine here. Just a couple on the Cal Yahoo group. On 5/12/10, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote: > > > > > Bruce, > > Those emails wrap fine on my mail program...... Maybe check your settings. > I will complain about wierd sized text -- some posts are really small and > hard to read and some are huge and take a ton of scrolling. Can't find any > settings on my prefs that stabilze the size at all. > > Have no idea how mine read. Hope well. > > Wilkie > > > > On May 12, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Bruce Stirling wrote: > > Why is your email not "wrapping" around? Very hard to read. Everyone > please check your settings to make sure your emails wrap around instead of > trailing > off five feet to the right. > > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > >> >> >> In all fairness to you, Mike, what you a re describing is what makes you a >> faster sailor and your crew a better crew, not making theboat faster by >> buying expensive gear! Time on the water, practice, crew coordination, >> knowing how to tune your rig, cleaning the bottom, shifting gears -- are all >> crew and captain characteristics and are what make you compete at the top of >> your game. Exotic sails purchased more often, moving blocks, re-shaping the >> hull, changing rudder and keel shape, are all things prohibited by the one >> design classes that I mentioned. >> >> I always took my crew to dinner (Tookie's in Seabrook) after a race and we >> discussed what we did right or wrong for a couple of hours afterward. >> Better than email any day! And we spent hours sailing boat against boat in >> tacking duels practicing crew work and boat speed on non-race days. That >> made us sail faster, and, by extension, the boat sail faster. We didn't buy >> gear and install gadgets or remove material from the boat! >> >> Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" >> >> "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you >> didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail >> away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. >> Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> * From:* mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Tue, May 11, 2010 11:45:21 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Exciting America's Cup news (Charlie) >> >> >> >> In all fairness to Dennis Connor there is a lot you can do to a >> cal20 to make it faster. Dennis in his book " No Excuse to Lose" says that >> he can win if he believes that he has a faster boat. >> A faster boat is lighter, has a better bottom and was cleaned the day of >> the race or day before the race. Tune your spar! You can give away so much >> if your rig is not optomised and tuned. Shift gears, condition so the race >> course change. Be on top of those changes! when in doubt set and set early, >> train your crew and expect the same commitment from them that you have. >> After every race email your crew ---What we did right what we did not do >> right and what we could do better next race. As a skipper you must bring >> the best effort and expect the same from your crew to win. Winning is what >> it is all about-- there is no second place >> My Best, Mike >> >> ------------------------------ >> ** >> > > > > -- > Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. > 602.254.6638 > 602.460.5631 [Cell] > 602-507-9445 [Fax] > 520-302-5206 [Tucson] > br… [at] stirlinglaw.com > http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers > > The information in this e-mail communication is Privileged and > Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the > undersigned sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. > > > > -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] 602-507-9445 [Fax] 520-302-5206 [Tucson] br… [at] stirlinglaw.com http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers The information in this e-mail communication is Privileged and Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the undersigned sender immediately and then delete this e-mail.