Cal 2-29 Wheel Size

Just for the record, I was able to replace the stock 24" SS spoked wheel with a 28". There is no problem with the wheel fitting on the pedistal, however, the issue can be with the opening of the lazarette. The 28" that I purchased allows the lazarette to squeeze past if I rotate the wheel while opening. I may use a dremel and remove some fiberglass material where the two connect a little. The benefit of the larger wheel enables me to sit on the side without reaching to the wheel and when standing I dont have to reach down to the wheel. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro

Mark, LOL! I had the same exact problem when I went to a 28" wheel on my 2-29. I even broke my autopilot by opening the lazarette under way just as the pilot made a correction. Navico fixed it free because they had upgraded to a bronze gear from the original plastic. My fix was to cut a round wooden plate to install underneath the pedestal. It raised it just over 3/4" and clearance is assured at all times. Wilkie On May 11, 2010, at 7:45 PM, markalan05 wrote: > Just for the record, I was able to replace the stock 24" SS spoked > wheel with a 28". There is no problem with the wheel fitting on the > pedistal, however, the issue can be with the opening of the > lazarette. The 28" that I purchased allows the lazarette to squeeze > past if I rotate the wheel while opening. I may use a dremel and > remove some fiberglass material where the two connect a little. > The benefit of the larger wheel enables me to sit on the side > without reaching to the wheel and when standing I dont have to reach > down to the wheel. > Mark > Cal 2-29 > San Pedro > > >

My tiller just lifts up out of the way. No problems. Mike On 5/12/2010 12:25 AM, David Wilkie Owen wrote: > > > > Mark, > > LOL! I had the same exact problem when I went to a 28" wheel on my > 2-29. I even broke my autopilot by opening the lazarette under way > just as the pilot made a correction. Navico fixed it free because > they had upgraded to a bronze gear from the original plastic. > > My fix was to cut a round wooden plate to install underneath the > pedestal. It raised it just over 3/4" and clearance is assured at all > times. > > Wilkie > > > On May 11, 2010, at 7:45 PM, markalan05 wrote: > >> Just for the record, I was able to replace the stock 24" SS spoked >> wheel with a 28". There is no problem with the wheel fitting on the >> pedistal, however, the issue can be with the opening of the >> lazarette. The 28" that I purchased allows the lazarette to squeeze >> past if I rotate the wheel while opening. I may use a dremel and >> remove some fiberglass material where the two connect a little. >> The benefit of the larger wheel enables me to sit on the side without >> reaching to the wheel and when standing I dont have to reach down to >> the wheel. >> Mark >> Cal 2-29 >> San Pedro >>

mike wrote: > > > My tiller just lifts up out of the way. No problems. All of us tiller guys out here grin when we read that. Chris Campbell

I am a tiller guy too don't get me wrong...however, you wouldn't want to be in the same ocean with my wife at a tiller....so I ended up with a wheel....compromise...With this particular pedistal steering unit (Edison) I can still feel the same weather helm as on the 29's tiller, so I'm not sure what the big deal is...after all its feeling the helm pressure and getting into the groove isn't it? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Campbell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size mike wrote: My tiller just lifts up out of the way. No problems. All of us tiller guys out here grin when we read that. Chris Campbell __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5108 (20100512) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5108 (20100512) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Wilkie, How much of a project is it to lift up the pedistal as you did? Was it worth the bigger wheel? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wilkie Owen To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size Mark, LOL! I had the same exact problem when I went to a 28" wheel on my 2-29. I even broke my autopilot by opening the lazarette under way just as the pilot made a correction. Navico fixed it free because they had upgraded to a bronze gear from the original plastic. My fix was to cut a round wooden plate to install underneath the pedestal. It raised it just over 3/4" and clearance is assured at all times. Wilkie On May 11, 2010, at 7:45 PM, markalan05 wrote: Just for the record, I was able to replace the stock 24" SS spoked wheel with a 28". There is no problem with the wheel fitting on the pedistal, however, the issue can be with the opening of the lazarette. The 28" that I purchased allows the lazarette to squeeze past if I rotate the wheel while opening. I may use a dremel and remove some fiberglass material where the two connect a little. The benefit of the larger wheel enables me to sit on the side without reaching to the wheel and when standing I dont have to reach down to the wheel. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5108 (20100512) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5108 (20100512) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Yeah, I know. I suffer from Tiller Envy. Wilkie On May 11, 2010, at 9:31 PM, mike wrote: > My tiller just lifts up out of the way. No problems. > Mike > > On 5/12/2010 12:25 AM, David Wilkie Owen wrote: > >> >> >> >> Mark, >> >> LOL! I had the same exact problem when I went to a 28" wheel on my >> 2-29. I even broke my autopilot by opening the lazarette under way >> just as the pilot made a correction. Navico fixed it free because >> they had upgraded to a bronze gear from the original plastic. >> >> My fix was to cut a round wooden plate to install underneath the >> pedestal. It raised it just over 3/4" and clearance is assured at >> all times. >> >> Wilkie >> >> >> On May 11, 2010, at 7:45 PM, markalan05 wrote: >> >>> Just for the record, I was able to replace the stock 24" SS spoked >>> wheel with a 28". There is no problem with the wheel fitting on >>> the pedistal, however, the issue can be with the opening of the >>> lazarette. The 28" that I purchased allows the lazarette to >>> squeeze past if I rotate the wheel while opening. I may use a >>> dremel and remove some fiberglass material where the two connect a >>> little. >>> The benefit of the larger wheel enables me to sit on the side >>> without reaching to the wheel and when standing I dont have to >>> reach down to the wheel. >>> Mark >>> Cal 2-29 >>> San Pedro >>> > > >

Mark, Not too bad, and it's a great opportunity to get to know your steering system and lube, clean and renew fittings that could bite you at the worst possible time. I highly recommend anybody with an aged wheeled Cal go through the process even if they don't ad the pedestal lift. Toughest part for me was breaking loose the flat head bolts that hold the pedestal down. I started with emptying the Laz and getting down in there and treating all of the threads and fittings with Kroil. Then I bought a large screwdriver blade fitting for my 3/8" drive breaker bar. You may need to put a lot of down force and handle gently to make sure you don't butcher the slot in the head, nor gouge or trash the pedestal base. I used heat on them with a BIG soldering iron after treating them for a few days with Kroil. Next job is to cut or buy the circular piece of plywood. I think I used 3/4", but if you can buy a scrap of 1" that's probably even better. I used a router bit to round a shoulder on the top and made the plywood about a half inch larger than the pedestal base. Cut a hole in the center to match the hole in the Pedestal. I highly recommend completely encapsulating the plywood in glass. Polyester & glass would be fine, but you don't want water getting into the plys and trashing it. Crawl into the Laz feet first, facing the transom and folding your legs under you and into the bilge. Once you realize that you will fit, it gets easier, but you will be in and out on both sides before you're done. Remove the cables from the eyes on the quadrant and renew all of the fittings that don't look good. It's a good time to unfasten, clean up and lube the pulleys that route the cables. You will probably see some galling and corrosion. You may want to adjust them some day anyway. I lost and had to replace the clips on the end of the steering chain, but found a local shop in the industrial area that easily matched the chain size. They could have sold me a new section of chain, but inspected the old and said it was lightly used and safe. The cable pieces have an eye swaged onto them and can be replaced by any rigging shop. With the cables off the quadrant, you can route them through the plywood lift and drill and re-fasten the pedestal on top of it. I think I remember screwing the plywood to the cockpit sole and using adhesive caulk to make it part of the deck. Then drilling up through the bottom to make sure they matched. I oversized the holes and coated them with epoxy. Now you re-route all cables and compas light wiring etc. You can take a little extra time to make sure you have a "king" spoke verticle when the rudder is centered. You also know your system and the condition of the chain and cables, both of which are easily renewed if worn and ugly. Did I leave anything out? Wilkie On May 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: > > Wilkie, > How much of a project is it to lift up the pedistal as you did? > Was it worth the bigger wheel? > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Wilkie Owen > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size > > > > > > Mark, > > LOL! I had the same exact problem when I went to a 28" wheel on my > 2-29. I even broke my autopilot by opening the lazarette under way > just as the pilot made a correction. Navico fixed it free because > they had upgraded to a bronze gear from the original plastic. > > My fix was to cut a round wooden plate to install underneath the > pedestal. It raised it just over 3/4" and clearance is assured at > all times. > > Wilkie > > > On May 11, 2010, at 7:45 PM, markalan05 wrote: > >> Just for the record, I was able to replace the stock 24" SS spoked >> wheel with a 28". There is no problem with the wheel fitting on the >> pedistal, however, the issue can be with the opening of the >> lazarette. The 28" that I purchased allows the lazarette to squeeze >> past if I rotate the wheel while opening. I may use a dremel and >> remove some fiberglass material where the two connect a little. >> The benefit of the larger wheel enables me to sit on the side >> without reaching to the wheel and when standing I dont have to >> reach down to the wheel. >> Mark >> Cal 2-29 >> San Pedro >> >> > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5108 (20100512) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5108 (20100512) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > >

OBTW -- It was definitely worth it. The only downside would be moving fore and aft past the larger wheel, but I didn't notice any difference in comfort. On May 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: > > Wilkie, > How much of a project is it to lift up the pedistal as you did? > Was it worth the bigger wheel? > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Wilkie Owen > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size > > > > > > Mark, > > LOL! I had the same exact problem when I went to a 28" wheel on my > 2-29. I even broke my autopilot by opening the lazarette under way > just as the pilot made a correction. Navico fixed it free because > they had upgraded to a bronze gear from the original plastic. > > My fix was to cut a round wooden plate to install underneath the > pedestal. It raised it just over 3/4" and clearance is assured at > all times. > > Wilkie > > > On May 11, 2010, at 7:45 PM, markalan05 wrote: > >> Just for the record, I was able to replace the stock 24" SS spoked >> wheel with a 28". There is no problem with the wheel fitting on the >> pedistal, however, the issue can be with the opening of the >> lazarette. The 28" that I purchased allows the lazarette to squeeze >> past if I rotate the wheel while opening. I may use a dremel and >> remove some fiberglass material where the two connect a little. >> The benefit of the larger wheel enables me to sit on the side >> without reaching to the wheel and when standing I dont have to >> reach down to the wheel. >> Mark >> Cal 2-29 >> San Pedro >> >> > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5108 (20100512) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5108 (20100512) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > >

Wilkie Wow, thats diving into a project. I do want to get to know the steering quad et al a little better. What I had in mind was either live with the wheel contacting the laz door once and a while when not in auto pilot, or maybe cutting some material off the laz and if needed glassing in a pathway for the wheel to pass. Seems like a lot less of a project...not that I don't want to tackle all the items below.. :) The other thing, I don't store anything in either laz because I'm concerned that something might foul the cables....am I being over cautious? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wilkie Owen To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size Mark, Not too bad, and it's a great opportunity to get to know your steering system and lube, clean and renew fittings that could bite you at the worst possible time. I highly recommend anybody with an aged wheeled Cal go through the process even if they don't ad the pedestal lift. Toughest part for me was breaking loose the flat head bolts that hold the pedestal down. I started with emptying the Laz and getting down in there and treating all of the threads and fittings with Kroil. Then I bought a large screwdriver blade fitting for my 3/8" drive breaker bar. You may need to put a lot of down force and handle gently to make sure you don't butcher the slot in the head, nor gouge or trash the pedestal base. I used heat on them with a BIG soldering iron after treating them for a few days with Kroil. Next job is to cut or buy the circular piece of plywood. I think I used 3/4", but if you can buy a scrap of 1" that's probably even better. I used a router bit to round a shoulder on the top and made the plywood about a half inch larger than the pedestal base. Cut a hole in the center to match the hole in the Pedestal. I highly recommend completely encapsulating the plywood in glass. Polyester & glass would be fine, but you don't want water getting into the plys and trashing it. Crawl into the Laz feet first, facing the transom and folding your legs under you and into the bilge. Once you realize that you will fit, it gets easier, but you will be in and out on both sides before you're done. Remove the cables from the eyes on the quadrant and renew all of the fittings that don't look good. It's a good time to unfasten, clean up and lube the pulleys that route the cables. You will probably see some galling and corrosion. You may want to adjust them some day anyway. I lost and had to replace the clips on the end of the steering chain, but found a local shop in the industrial area that easily matched the chain size. They could have sold me a new section of chain, but inspected the old and said it was lightly used and safe. The cable pieces have an eye swaged onto them and can be replaced by any rigging shop. With the cables off the quadrant, you can route them through the plywood lift and drill and re-fasten the pedestal on top of it. I think I remember screwing the plywood to the cockpit sole and using adhesive caulk to make it part of the deck. Then drilling up through the bottom to make sure they matched. I oversized the holes and coated them with epoxy. Now you re-route all cables and compas light wiring etc. You can take a little extra time to make sure you have a "king" spoke verticle when the rudder is centered. You also know your system and the condition of the chain and cables, both of which are easily renewed if worn and ugly. Did I leave anything out? Wilkie On May 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: Wilkie, How much of a project is it to lift up the pedistal as you did? Was it worth the bigger wheel? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wilkie Owen To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size Mark, LOL! I had the same exact problem when I went to a 28" wheel on my 2-29. I even broke my autopilot by opening the lazarette under way just as the pilot made a correction. Navico fixed it free because they had upgraded to a bronze gear from the original plastic. My fix was to cut a round wooden plate to install underneath the pedestal. It raised it just over 3/4" and clearance is assured at all times. Wilkie On May 11, 2010, at 7:45 PM, markalan05 wrote: Just for the record, I was able to replace the stock 24" SS spoked wheel with a 28". There is no problem with the wheel fitting on the pedistal, however, the issue can be with the opening of the lazarette. The 28" that I purchased allows the lazarette to squeeze past if I rotate the wheel while opening. I may use a dremel and remove some fiberglass material where the two connect a little. The benefit of the larger wheel enables me to sit on the side without reaching to the wheel and when standing I dont have to reach down to the wheel. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5108 (20100512) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5108 (20100512) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5108 (20100512) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5109 (20100512) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: > > > I am a tiller guy too don't get me wrong...however, you wouldn't want > to be in the same ocean with my wife at a tiller....so I ended up with > a wheel....compromise...With this particular pedistal steering unit > (Edison) I can still feel the same weather helm as on the 29's tiller, > so I'm not sure what the big deal is...after all its feeling the helm > pressure and getting into the groove isn't it? Geez, Mark, you just don't get it. When I was a kid, you had Ford people, and Chrysler Corp. people, and GM people. It really mattered. You evaluated people's characters by what side they were on. I was a GM guy. Then I got my '86 Mustang and became a Ford guy, but that's another matter, and it was all GM's fault for making crappy cars, anyway. It's the same with tillers and wheels. People with good judgment like tillers. The other folks like wheels. At least until I end up owning a boat with a wheel. Here's another way to put it. There was a quiz on the radio the other day and one question asked about a certain 19th century composer. Nobody could answer. The host gave a hint: you either love him or hate him. I knew right away: Anton Bruckner. Love him. If you don't, you've got bad taste. Or in the George Carlin line about driving, all those people who drive faster than I do are idiots, and all those who drive slower than I do are morons. I think about George every time I'm getting agitated over somebody else's choice of speed. Idiot!! Moron!! Chris Campbell

Chris, you had way to much fun with that one. Ironically, I got the bigger wheel from a guy who removed his pedistal and sold the wheel to yours truly...as the girls put it bigger is better....as the termites put it tillers back on the menu.... I race with a 29 and cruze with the 2-29 and get crazy on a 505...thinking about putting the 24" wheel on the 505 just kidding. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Campbell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: I am a tiller guy too don't get me wrong...however, you wouldn't want to be in the same ocean with my wife at a tiller....so I ended up with a wheel....compromise...With this particular pedistal steering unit (Edison) I can still feel the same weather helm as on the 29's tiller, so I'm not sure what the big deal is...after all its feeling the helm pressure and getting into the groove isn't it? Geez, Mark, you just don't get it. When I was a kid, you had Ford people, and Chrysler Corp. people, and GM people. It really mattered. You evaluated people's characters by what side they were on. I was a GM guy. Then I got my '86 Mustang and became a Ford guy, but that's another matter, and it was all GM's fault for making crappy cars, anyway. It's the same with tillers and wheels. People with good judgment like tillers. The other folks like wheels. At least until I end up owning a boat with a wheel. Here's another way to put it. There was a quiz on the radio the other day and one question asked about a certain 19th century composer. Nobody could answer. The host gave a hint: you either love him or hate him. I knew right away: Anton Bruckner. Love him. If you don't, you've got bad taste. Or in the George Carlin line about driving, all those people who drive faster than I do are idiots, and all those who drive slower than I do are morons. I think about George every time I'm getting agitated over somebody else's choice of speed. Idiot!! Moron!! Chris Campbell __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5109 (20100512) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5109 (20100512) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi, Mark: When I bought Bay Breeze she had a 20" (that's right, 20") wheel and I was not happy driving her with any kind of weather helm. Way too much work. I replaced with a 26" wheel (after reading about Wilkies adventures) and it made a huge difference. Could now sail from the coaming if I wanted to and did not have to go through all those gyrations with the pedestal and cockpit locker hatches. Les Hester former 3-29 #1005 now T34C #198 Sable Swan Creek, Md. From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) To: Cal Boats Sent: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size Wilkie Wow, thats diving into a project. I do want to get to know the steering quad et al a little better. What I had in mind was either live with the wheel contacting the laz door once and a while when not in auto pilot, or maybe cutting some material off the laz and if needed glassing in a pathway for the wheel to pass. Seems like a lot less of a project...not that I don't want to tackle all the items below.. :) The other thing, I don't store anything in either laz because I'm concerned that something might foul the cables....am I being over cautious? Mark From:David Wilkie Owen To:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size Mark, Not too bad, and it's a great opportunity to get to know your steering system and lube, clean and renew fittings that could bite you at the worst possible time. I highly recommend anybody with an aged wheeled Cal go through the process even if they don't ad the pedestal lift. Toughest part for me was breaking loose the flat head bolts that hold the pedestal down. I started with emptying the Laz and getting down in there and treating all of the threads and fittings with Kroil. Then I bought a large screwdriver blade fitting for my 3/8" drive breaker bar. You may need to put a lot of down force and handle gently to make sure you don't butcher the slot in the head, nor gouge or trash the pedestal base. I used heat on them with a BIG soldering iron after treating them for a few days with Kroil. Next job is to cut or buy the circular piece of plywood. I think I used 3/4", but if you can buy a scrap of 1" that's probably even better. I used a router bit to round a shoulder on the top and made the plywood about a half inch larger than the pedestal base. Cut a hole in the center to match the hole in the Pedestal. I highly recommend completely encapsulating the plywood in glass. Polyester & glass would be fine, but you don't want water getting into the plys and trashing it. Crawl into the Laz feet first, facing the transom and folding your legs under you and into the bilge. Once you realize that you will fit, it gets easier, but you will be in and out on both sides before you're done. Remove the cables from the eyes on the quadrant and renew all of the fittings that don't look good. It's a good time to unfasten, clean up and lube the pulleys that route the cables. You will probably see some galling and corrosion. You may want to adjust them some day anyway. I lost and had to replace the clips on the end of the steering chain, but found a local shop in the industrial area that easily matched the chain size. They could have sold me a new section of chain, but inspected the old and said it was lightly used and safe. The cable pieces have an eye swaged onto them and can be replaced by any rigging shop. With the cables off the quadrant, you can route them through the plywood lift and drill and re-fasten the pedestal on top of it. I think I remember screwing the plywood to the cockpit sole and using adhesive caulk to make it part of the deck. Then drilling up through the bottom to make sure they matched. I oversized the holes and coated them with epoxy. Now you re-route all cables and compas light wiring etc. You can take a little extra time to make sure you have a "king" spoke verticle when the rudder is centered. You also know your system and the condition of the chain and cables, both of which are easily renewed if worn and ugly. Did I leave anything out? Wilkie On May 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: Wilkie, How much of a project is it to lift up the pedistal as you did? Was it worth the bigger wheel? Mark From: David Wilkie Owen To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size Mark, LOL! I had the same exact problem when I went to a 28" wheel on my 2-29. I even broke my autopilot by opening the lazarette under way just as the pilot made a correction. Navico fixed it free because they had upgraded to a bronze gear from the original plastic. My fix was to cut a round wooden plate to install underneath the pedestal. It raised it just over 3/4" and clearance is assured at all times. Wilkie On May 11, 2010, at 7:45 PM, markalan05 wrote: Just for the record, I was able to replace the stock 24" SS spoked wheel with a 28". There is no problem with the wheel fitting on the pedistal, however, the issue can be with the opening of the lazarette. The 28" that I purchased allows the lazarette to squeeze past if I rotate the wheel while opening. I may use a dremel and remove some fiberglass material where the two connect a little. The benefit of the larger wheel enables me to sit on the side without reaching to the wheel and when standing I dont have to reach down to the wheel. 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Maybe there is a hinge that somhow offsets the swing of the laz about a quarter inch... hmmmm have to work on that one. ----- Original Message ----- From: ld… [at] comcast.net To: Cal Boats Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size Hi, Mark: When I bought Bay Breeze she had a 20" (that's right, 20") wheel and I was not happy driving her with any kind of weather helm. Way too much work. I replaced with a 26" wheel (after reading about Wilkies adventures) and it made a huge difference. Could now sail from the coaming if I wanted to and did not have to go through all those gyrations with the pedestal and cockpit locker hatches. Les Hester former 3-29 #1005 now T34C #198 Sable Swan Creek, Md. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) To: Cal Boats Sent: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size Wilkie Wow, thats diving into a project. I do want to get to know the steering quad et al a little better. What I had in mind was either live with the wheel contacting the laz door once and a while when not in auto pilot, or maybe cutting some material off the laz and if needed glassing in a pathway for the wheel to pass. Seems like a lot less of a project...not that I don't want to tackle all the items below.. :) The other thing, I don't store anything in either laz because I'm concerned that something might foul the cables....am I being over cautious? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From:David Wilkie Owen To:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size Mark, Not too bad, and it's a great opportunity to get to know your steering system and lube, clean and renew fittings that could bite you at the worst possible time. I highly recommend anybody with an aged wheeled Cal go through the process even if they don't ad the pedestal lift. Toughest part for me was breaking loose the flat head bolts that hold the pedestal down. I started with emptying the Laz and getting down in there and treating all of the threads and fittings with Kroil. Then I bought a large screwdriver blade fitting for my 3/8" drive breaker bar. You may need to put a lot of down force and handle gently to make sure you don't butcher the slot in the head, nor gouge or trash the pedestal base. I used heat on them with a BIG soldering iron after treating them for a few days with Kroil. Next job is to cut or buy the circular piece of plywood. I think I used 3/4", but if you can buy a scrap of 1" that's probably even better. I used a router bit to round a shoulder on the top and made the plywood about a half inch larger than the pedestal base. Cut a hole in the center to match the hole in the Pedestal. I highly recommend completely encapsulating the plywood in glass. Polyester & glass would be fine, but you don't want water getting into the plys and trashing it. Crawl into the Laz feet first, facing the transom and folding your legs under you and into the bilge. Once you realize that you will fit, it gets easier, but you will be in and out on both sides before you're done. Remove the cables from the eyes on the quadrant and renew all of the fittings that don't look good. It's a good time to unfasten, clean up and lube the pulleys that route the cables. You will probably see some galling and corrosion. You may want to adjust them some day anyway. I lost and had to replace the clips on the end of the steering chain, but found a local shop in the industrial area that easily matched the chain size. They could have sold me a new section of chain, but inspected the old and said it was lightly used and safe. The cable pieces have an eye swaged onto them and can be replaced by any rigging shop. With the cables off the quadrant, you can route them through the plywood lift and drill and re-fasten the pedestal on top of it. I think I remember screwing the plywood to the cockpit sole and using adhesive caulk to make it part of the deck. Then drilling up through the bottom to make sure they matched. I oversized the holes and coated them with epoxy. Now you re-route all cables and compas light wiring etc. You can take a little extra time to make sure you have a "king" spoke verticle when the rudder is centered. You also know your system and the condition of the chain and cables, both of which are easily renewed if worn and ugly. Did I leave anything out? Wilkie On May 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: Wilkie, How much of a project is it to lift up the pedistal as you did? Was it worth the bigger wheel? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wilkie Owen To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size Mark, LOL! I had the same exact problem when I went to a 28" wheel on my 2-29. I even broke my autopilot by opening the lazarette under way just as the pilot made a correction. Navico fixed it free because they had upgraded to a bronze gear from the original plastic. My fix was to cut a round wooden plate to install underneath the pedestal. It raised it just over 3/4" and clearance is assured at all times. Wilkie On May 11, 2010, at 7:45 PM, markalan05 wrote: Just for the record, I was able to replace the stock 24" SS spoked wheel with a 28". There is no problem with the wheel fitting on the pedistal, however, the issue can be with the opening of the lazarette. The 28" that I purchased allows the lazarette to squeeze past if I rotate the wheel while opening. I may use a dremel and remove some fiberglass material where the two connect a little. The benefit of the larger wheel enables me to sit on the side without reaching to the wheel and when standing I dont have to reach down to the wheel. 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anybody have a spare 33 inch wheel? Reggie

Was day dreaming one day of making a "slot" in the laz lids and cockpit sides to accommodate a larger wheel, but decided that was too much work and would look maybe a little like some kind of overkill -- not that those thoughts have stopped me before from some foolishly launched projects. Wilkie On May 12, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: > > Wilkie > Wow, thats diving into a project. I do want to get to know the > steering quad et al a little better. What I had in mind was either > live with the wheel contacting the laz door once and a while when > not in auto pilot, or maybe cutting some material off the laz and > if needed glassing in a pathway for the wheel to pass. Seems like a > lot less of a project...not that I don't want to tackle all the > items below.. :) > > The other thing, I don't store anything in either laz because I'm > concerned that something might foul the cables....am I being over > cautious? > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Wilkie Owen > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:59 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size > > > > > Mark, > > Not too bad, and it's a great opportunity to get to know your > steering system and lube, clean and renew fittings that could bite > you at the worst possible time. I highly recommend anybody with an > aged wheeled Cal go through the process even if they don't ad the > pedestal lift. > > Toughest part for me was breaking loose the flat head bolts that > hold the pedestal down. I started with emptying the Laz and getting > down in there and treating all of the threads and fittings with > Kroil. Then I bought a large screwdriver blade fitting for my 3/8" > drive breaker bar. You may need to put a lot of down force and > handle gently to make sure you don't butcher the slot in the head, > nor gouge or trash the pedestal base. I used heat on them with a > BIG soldering iron after treating them for a few days with Kroil. > > Next job is to cut or buy the circular piece of plywood. I think I > used 3/4", but if you can buy a scrap of 1" that's probably even > better. I used a router bit to round a shoulder on the top and made > the plywood about a half inch larger than the pedestal base. Cut a > hole in the center to match the hole in the Pedestal. I highly > recommend completely encapsulating the plywood in glass. Polyester > & glass would be fine, but you don't want water getting into the > plys and trashing it. > > Crawl into the Laz feet first, facing the transom and folding your > legs under you and into the bilge. Once you realize that you will > fit, it gets easier, but you will be in and out on both sides before > you're done. Remove the cables from the eyes on the quadrant and > renew all of the fittings that don't look good. It's a good time to > unfasten, clean up and lube the pulleys that route the cables. You > will probably see some galling and corrosion. You may want to > adjust them some day anyway. I lost and had to replace the clips on > the end of the steering chain, but found a local shop in the > industrial area that easily matched the chain size. They could have > sold me a new section of chain, but inspected the old and said it > was lightly used and safe. The cable pieces have an eye swaged onto > them and can be replaced by any rigging shop. > > With the cables off the quadrant, you can route them through the > plywood lift and drill and re-fasten the pedestal on top of it. I > think I remember screwing the plywood to the cockpit sole and using > adhesive caulk to make it part of the deck. Then drilling up > through the bottom to make sure they matched. I oversized the holes > and coated them with epoxy. > > Now you re-route all cables and compas light wiring etc. You can > take a little extra time to make sure you have a "king" spoke > verticle when the rudder is centered. You also know your system and > the condition of the chain and cables, both of which are easily > renewed if worn and ugly. > > Did I leave anything out? > > Wilkie > > > > On May 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: > >> >> Wilkie, >> How much of a project is it to lift up the pedistal as you did? >> Was it worth the bigger wheel? >> Mark >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: David Wilkie Owen >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size >> >> >> >> >> >> Mark, >> >> LOL! I had the same exact problem when I went to a 28" wheel on my >> 2-29. I even broke my autopilot by opening the lazarette under way >> just as the pilot made a correction. Navico fixed it free because >> they had upgraded to a bronze gear from the original plastic. >> >> My fix was to cut a round wooden plate to install underneath the >> pedestal. It raised it just over 3/4" and clearance is assured at >> all times. >> >> Wilkie >> >> >> On May 11, 2010, at 7:45 PM, markalan05 wrote: >> >>> Just for the record, I was able to replace the stock 24" SS spoked >>> wheel with a 28". There is no problem with the wheel fitting on >>> the pedistal, however, the issue can be with the opening of the >>> lazarette. The 28" that I purchased allows the lazarette to >>> squeeze past if I rotate the wheel while opening. I may use a >>> dremel and remove some fiberglass material where the two connect a >>> little. >>> The benefit of the larger wheel enables me to sit on the side >>> without reaching to the wheel and when standing I dont have to >>> reach down to the wheel. >>> Mark >>> Cal 2-29 >>> San Pedro >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 5108 (20100512) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 5108 (20100512) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5108 (20100512) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5109 (20100512) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > >

Chris, I used to be one of those smug tiller people, until I found a Cal 29, but it had a wheel. Damn, what to do? I bought it, and have learned to sail with a wheel. I am used to it and it's just different. Each has it's advantages, but a tiller is simpler, and usually on a sailboat simpler is better. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 1:34 PM Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: I am a tiller guy too don't get me wrong...however, you wouldn't want to be in the same ocean with my wife at a tiller....so I ended up with a wheel....compromise ...With this particular pedistal steering unit (Edison) I can still feel the same weather helm as on the 29's tiller, so I'm not sure what the big deal is...after all its feeling the helm pressure and getting into the groove isn't it? Geez, Mark, you just don't get it. When I was a kid, you had Ford people, and Chrysler Corp. people, and GM people. It really mattered. You evaluated people's characters by what side they were on. I was a GM guy. Then I got my '86 Mustang and became a Ford guy, but that's another matter, and it was all GM's fault for making crappy cars, anyway. It's the same with tillers and wheels. People with good judgment like tillers. The other folks like wheels. At least until I end up owning a boat with a wheel. Here's another way to put it. There was a quiz on the radio the other day and one question asked about a certain 19th century composer. Nobody could answer. The host gave a hint: you either love him or hate him. I knew right away: Anton Bruckner. Love him. If you don't, you've got bad taste. Or in the George Carlin line about driving, all those people who drive faster than I do are idiots, and all those who drive slower than I do are morons. I think about George every time I'm getting agitated over somebody else's choice of speed. Idiot!! Moron!! Chris Campbell

Smug tiller people? You wheel crankers are only a gallon of gas away from being stinkpotters!... Bwahahaha! :-D Tiller people, wheel people...Can't we all just get along? (This coming from the guy that KNEW he was going to troll the Tiller v. Wheel debate once again with a simple comment. Damn, we're a predictable lot! Btw, what's the best beer on the East coast? ;-) ) Mike Smug and proud of his tiller. On 5/12/2010 10:56 PM, david dobbs wrote: > > > Chris, > I used to be one of those smug tiller people, until I found a Cal 29, > but it had a wheel. Damn, what to do? I bought it, and have learned > to sail with a wheel. I am used to it and it's just different. Each > has it's advantages, but a tiller is simpler, and usually on a > sailboat simpler is better. > > Regards, David Dobbs > > > --- On *Wed, 5/12/10, Chris Campbell > /<cl… [at] charterinternet.com>/* wrote: > > > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 1:34 PM > > > Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: >> I am a tiller guy too don't get me wrong...however, you wouldn't >> want to be in the same ocean with my wife at a tiller....so I >> ended up with a wheel....compromise ...With this particular >> pedistal steering unit (Edison) I can still feel the same weather >> helm as on the 29's tiller, so I'm not sure what the big deal >> is...after all its feeling the helm pressure and getting into the >> groove isn't it? > > Geez, Mark, you just don't get it. When I was a kid, you had Ford > people, and Chrysler Corp. people, and GM people. It really > mattered. You evaluated people's characters by what side they > were on. I was a GM guy. Then I got my '86 Mustang and became a > Ford guy, but that's another matter, and it was all GM's fault for > making crappy cars, anyway. It's the same with tillers and > wheels. People with good judgment like tillers. The other folks > like wheels. At least until I end up owning a boat with a wheel. > > Here's another way to put it. There was a quiz on the radio the > other day and one question asked about a certain 19th century > composer. Nobody could answer. The host gave a hint: you either > love him or hate him. I knew right away: Anton Bruckner. Love > him. If you don't, you've got bad taste. > > Or in the George Carlin line about driving, all those people who > drive faster than I do are idiots, and all those who drive slower > than I do are morons. I think about George every time I'm getting > agitated over somebody else's choice of speed. Idiot!! Moron!! > > Chris Campbell >

I was smug too, I sail an 8 meter with a tiller,etc, etc. Then I delivered a Shoemacher 43 High Risk from MDR to Sausalito after a race. I was twice pulled across the cockpit by the tiller despite being well braced with all my strength. In hard conditions 1/2 hour was all I could do My crewmate Gordon Henderson could go a bit longer. This boat could have been better served with a wheel, sailed better too Just one more opinion My Best, Mike From: mike <mi… [at] wahini.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 9:07:33 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size(Tiller vs. Wheel) Smug tiller people? You wheel crankers are only a gallon of gas away from being stinkpotters!... Bwahahaha! :-D Tiller people, wheel people...Can't we all just get along? (This coming from the guy that KNEW he was going to troll the Tiller v. Wheel debate once again with a simple comment. Damn, we're a predictable lot! Btw, what's the best beer on the East coast? ;-) ) Mike Smug and proud of his tiller. On 5/12/2010 10:56 PM, david dobbs wrote: > > > Chris, > I used to be one of those smug tiller people, until I found a Cal 29, > but it had a wheel. Damn, what to do? I bought it, and have learned > to sail with a wheel. I am used to it and it's just different. Each > has it's advantages, but a tiller is simpler, and usually on a > sailboat simpler is better. > > Regards, David Dobbs > > > --- On *Wed, 5/12/10, Chris Campbell > / /* wrote: > > > From: Chris Campbell > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 Wheel Size > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 1:34 PM > > > Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) wrote: >> I am a tiller guy too don't get me wrong...however, you wouldn't >> want to be in the same ocean with my wife at a tiller....so I >> ended up with a wheel....compromise ...With this particular >> pedistal steering unit (Edison) I can still feel the same weather >> helm as on the 29's tiller, so I'm not sure what the big deal >> is...after all its feeling the helm pressure and getting into the >> groove isn't it? > > Geez, Mark, you just don't get it. When I was a kid, you had Ford > people, and Chrysler Corp. people, and GM people. It really > mattered. You evaluated people's characters by what side they > were on. I was a GM guy. Then I got my '86 Mustang and became a > Ford guy, but that's another matter, and it was all GM's fault for > making crappy cars, anyway. It's the same with tillers and > wheels. People with good judgment like tillers. The other folks > like wheels. At least until I end up owning a boat with a wheel. > > Here's another way to put it. There was a quiz on the radio the > other day and one question asked about a certain 19th century > composer. Nobody could answer. The host gave a hint: you either > love him or hate him. I knew right away: Anton Bruckner. Love > him. If you don't, you've got bad taste. > > Or in the George Carlin line about driving, all those people who > drive faster than I do are idiots, and all those who drive slower > than I do are morons. I think about George every time I'm getting > agitated over somebody else's choice of speed. Idiot!! Moron!! > > Chris Campbell >