Carp Final Solution, was:Re:2010 Season (Mike)

Mike, Instead of killing all of them,why didn't they just deport the Asian fish, instead? They would be welcome back in their home countries with great celebration! Next time the Fish and Game folks could save money by using some surplus toxic sea water from the Gulf of Mexico, with crude oil and super toxic chemical dispersants. In fact, it they used that stuff on the entire Mississippi River water shed, it might cure the whole Asian Carp problem for good! On the other hand, maybe that yucky stuff would kill off everything BUT the Asian carp?! Jerry --- On Thu, 5/27/10, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (Boaters on South end of Lake MI) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 3:15 AM From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:48:33 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (Boaters on South end of Lake MI) This is good news, right? I mean, if they had 10,000 pounds of Asian carp, that would have been bad news. Not good news for the dead fish though. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:03 PM, <st… [at] us.ul.com> wrote: Sushi anybody ? No Asian carp found at ‘fish kill’ by Amy Langdonand Spencer Rinkus May 26, 2010 Amy Langdon/MEDILL $1.5 million. 2,000 gallons of fish poison. 10,000 pounds of dead fish. Zero Asian carp. An effort to determine the presence of Asian carp by poisoning a stretch of waterway yielded 10,000 pounds of dead fish – but none were the invasive Asian carp. The Asian Carp Regional Coordinating Committee, a cooperative effort between the Illinois Department of Natural Resources, the Army Corp of Engineers and the Fish and Wildlife Service among others, dumped 2,000 gallons of the fish toxicant Rotenone into a two-mile section of the Little Calumet River in South Chicago last week. Over the next six days, workers collected all dead fish that floated to the top. Divers also searched the riverbed for fish that may have sunk. The committee said Tuesday the fish sampling was complete and no Asian carp were discovered. While the lack of Asian carp found may end the poisoning strategy, John Rogner, assistant director at IDNR, said the committee’s dedication to keeping the invasive species out of the Great Lakes will not end here. The committee will continue to combat Asian carp through eDNA testing, electrofishing and netting. The results of the sampling suggest “what we have already tentatively concluded based on all the earlier sampling we’ve done, and that is if Asian carp are in this waterway, they’re here in very, very low numbers,” Rogner said. Asian carp can greatly disrupt an ecosystem by consuming mass amounts of plankton, the main source of food for fish, driving out native species and decreasing the necessary diversity of the area. “We have no evidence yet, hard evidence, of the presence of Asian carp but we’re not prepared just yet to conclude that there aren’t any above the barrier,” Rogner had said last week. This was the second fish poisoning conducted in an effort to prevent Asian carp from entering the Great Lakes. The first, in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal near Romeoville last December, yielded a single Asian carp. The recent poisoning was at T.J. O’Brien Lock and Dam, a location chosen after several samples of environmental DNA were found in the area, according to Colonel Vincent Quarles, commander of the Chicago district of the Army Corp of Engineers. Scientists are looking into other ways eDNA could have made its way down the river, other than the presence of live fish. Rogner said possibilities such as DNA samples moving down river attached to the bottoms of boats and remains of Asian carp served in restaurants entering the storm sewers have been suggested. Even though no live Asian carp were discovered following the poisoning, Roger said the $1.5 million the IDNR spent on the fish kill was worthwhile. The money was federally funded as part of a $78.5 plan to combat the invasion of Asian carp into the Great Lakes. “What price do you put on knowledge?” Rogner said. “Right now we’re working in an information vacuum. We’re paying for information that will start to give us a sense of what the true risk is. Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 05/26/2010 10:51:23 PM: > > > Well, > "Moose", since you didn't sign your post, I would ask you when was > the last time you were in a boat on the Little Calumet? I have been > on that river since 1977. I can tell you that it's much cleaner, > there are more birds, and more fishermen. There is also less > industry. Mixed bag. I love when I see herons and ibises. I also > lament when I see shuttered steel processing factories. The Ford > plant on Torrence hung by a thread until they got the new Taurus. I > am as green as anyone, but we have to be able to balance our > industry with our environment. That's a very tough call. > Regards, > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 > > > --- On Sun, 5/23/10, MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > From: MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (David) > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 7:53 PM > > I hope they plan a little more than a3mi. fish kill on the little > Calumet cause I can still remember streight discharges of raw > seweage into Lake Michigan and I suspect that this still goes on > creating a ready acess for these asian carp to enter Lake Michigan. > The real solution is to revert back to nature and close the barge > canls. Quit bowing to the special interests and do what is right. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" > <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > > > Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the > encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. > Learned something about the fish kill, and also the area of the > Calumet/Little Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee > Slough, Burns Ditch, and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban > waterways. Sounds a bit like the Anacostia River in Wash DC. > > > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of david dobbs > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season > > > > > > > > Guys, > > Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except > that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river > until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section > of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they > get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the > O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to > transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week > and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because > a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the > Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. > > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 > > > > - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. 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