2010 Season

Guys, Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. David Dobbs, Cal29 411

Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. Learned something about the fish kill, and also the area of the Calumet/Little Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee Slough, Burns Ditch, and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban waterways. Sounds a bit like the Anacostia River in Wash DC. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season Guys, Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. David Dobbs, Cal29 411

I hope they plan a little more than a3mi. fish kill on the little Calumet cause I can still remember streight discharges of raw seweage into Lake Michigan and I suspect that this still goes on creating a ready acess for these asian carp to enter Lake Michigan.The real solution is to revert back to nature and close the barge canls. Quit bowing to the special interests and do what is right. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. Learned something about the fish kill, and also the area of the Calumet/Little Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee Slough, Burns Ditch, and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban waterways. Sounds a bit like the Anacostia River in Wash DC. > > > Cheers > Charlie > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season > > > > Guys, > Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 >

Don't get political. Remember, special interests are special for a reason. Allen On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 5:53 PM, MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > > I hope they plan a little more than a3mi. fish kill on the little Calumet > cause I can still remember streight discharges of raw seweage into Lake > Michigan and I suspect that this still goes on creating a ready acess for > these asian carp to enter Lake Michigan.The real solution is to revert back > to nature and close the barge canls. Quit bowing to the special interests > and do what is right. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, "Husar, > Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > > > Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the > encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. Learned > something about the fish kill, and also the area of the Calumet/Little > Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee Slough, Burns Ditch, > and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban waterways. Sounds a bit like > the Anacostia River in Wash DC. > > > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > david dobbs > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season > > > > > > > > Guys, > > Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except that > the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river until next > Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section of the Little > Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they get upstream into Lake > Michigan. They have also shut down the O'Brien lock, so all commercial > traffic is not moving. I have to transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I > think I will wait a week and let the barges have the lock. I have waited > over 2 hours because a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass > us. On the Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a > year. > > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 > > > > >

Moose, Actually the Little Calumet and Grand Calumet are much cleaner than you probably remember. The fish kill is an attempt to keep an invasive species from entering the Great Lakes through the O'Brien lock. Locks on the Chicago and Calumet Rivers were built to reverse the flow of those rivers so we could flush our sewage to the Illinois and Mississippi rivers, and keep it out of Lake Michigan from which we receive our drinking water. St. Louis was not amused, but lost the suit. Now we have much cleaner waterways, but we have an invasive species problem. Nothing is easy. Our sewage treatment is much better, but needs to even better. Plenty of people/groups working on that. State/County government units respond to pressure, so put it on them if you have a need/situation. Regards, David Dobbs, Cal 29 411 --- On Sun, 5/23/10, MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: From: MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (David) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 7:53 PM I hope they plan a little more than a3mi. fish kill on the little Calumet cause I can still remember streight discharges of raw seweage into Lake Michigan and I suspect that this still goes on creating a ready acess for these asian carp to enter Lake Michigan.The real solution is to revert back to nature and close the barge canls. Quit bowing to the special interests and do what is right. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. Learned something about the fish kill, and also the area of the Calumet/Little Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee Slough, Burns Ditch, and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban waterways. Sounds a bit like the Anacostia River in Wash DC. > > > Cheers > Charlie > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season > > > > Guys, > Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 >

Charlie, You are one up on me; what's Hart Ditch? I know Burns Ditch, but Hart's? Regards, Dave Dobbs, only one Cal --- On Sat, 5/22/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season (David) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 9:48 PM Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. Learned something about the fish kill, and also the area of the Calumet/Little Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee Slough, Burns Ditch, and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban waterways. Sounds a bit like the Anacostia River in Wash DC. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season Guys, Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. David Dobbs, Cal29 411

I ran across it in a couple places, Dave. Some kind of flow control project. http://www.lrc.usace.army.mil/projects/little_cal/faq.htm#Q4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calumet_River Cheers Charlie, too many CALs From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 5:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season (Charlie) Charlie, You are one up on me; what's Hart Ditch? I know Burns Ditch, but Hart's? Regards, Dave Dobbs, only one Cal --- On Sat, 5/22/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season (David) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 9:48 PM Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. Learned something about the fish kill, and also the area of the Calumet/Little Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee Slough, Burns Ditch, and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban waterways. Sounds a bit like the Anacostia River in Wash DC. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season Guys, Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. David Dobbs, Cal29 411

Charlie, Around here we call shallow bodies of water sloughs, if they are natural. Saganaskee is one of the biggest, although only about 6 feet deep. Lots of bass and northerns in it. They do not allow motorized boats. I am not a fisherman, but when we used to have winter here it would freeze, and we would go there to ice skate. Then a bright bulb got out a blanket, and two guys could sail clear to the other side in no time at all. Getting back took longer. Would have been perfect for Chris C. and his DN iceboat. The ice was always smooth away from shore and the wind would usually blow any snow off. Maybe I'll break out my skates next winter and give it a try. Regards, Dave D. Still only 1 Cal and sticking to it. --- On Mon, 5/24/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Hart Ditch (Dave) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 10:29 PM I ran across it in a couple places, Dave. Some kind of flow control project. http://www.lrc. usace.army. mil/projects/ little_cal/ faq.htm#Q4 http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Calumet_River Cheers Charlie, too many CALs From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 5:30 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season (Charlie) Charlie, You are one up on me; what's Hart Ditch? I know Burns Ditch, but Hart's? Regards, Dave Dobbs, only one Cal --- On Sat, 5/22/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@ bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@ bah.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season (David) To: "Cal_Boats@yahoogro ups.com" <Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com> Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 9:48 PM Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. Learned something about the fish kill, and also the area of the Calumet/Little Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee Slough, Burns Ditch, and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban waterways. Sounds a bit like the Anacostia River in Wash DC. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season Guys, Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. David Dobbs, Cal29 411

Well,"Moose", since you didn't sign your post, I would ask you when was the last time you were in a boat on the Little Calumet? I have been on that river since 1977. I can tell you that it's much cleaner, there are more birds, and more fishermen. There is also less industry. Mixed bag. I love when I see herons and ibises. I also lament when I see shuttered steel processing factories. The Ford plant on Torrence hung by a thread until they got the new Taurus. I am as green as anyone, but we have to be able to balance our industry with our environment. That's a very tough call.Regards,David Dobbs, Cal29 411 --- On Sun, 5/23/10, MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: From: MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (David) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 7:53 PM I hope they plan a little more than a3mi. fish kill on the little Calumet cause I can still remember streight discharges of raw seweage into Lake Michigan and I suspect that this still goes on creating a ready acess for these asian carp to enter Lake Michigan.The real solution is to revert back to nature and close the barge canls. Quit bowing to the special interests and do what is right. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. Learned something about the fish kill, and also the area of the Calumet/Little Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee Slough, Burns Ditch, and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban waterways. Sounds a bit like the Anacostia River in Wash DC. > > > Cheers > Charlie > > ________________________________ > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season > > > > Guys, > Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 >

Sushi anybody ? No Asian carp found at ?fish kill? by Amy Langdonand Spencer Rinkus May 26, 2010 FISHKILL2 Amy Langdon/MEDILL $1.5 million. 2,000 gallons of fish poison. 10,000 pounds of dead fish. Zero Asian carp. An effort to determine the presence of Asian carp by poisoning a stretch of waterway yielded 10,000 pounds of dead fish ? but none were the invasive Asian carp. The Asian Carp Regional Coordinating Committee, a cooperative effort between the Illinois Department of Natural Resources, the Army Corp of Engineers and the Fish and Wildlife Service among others, dumped 2,000 gallons of the fish toxicant Rotenone into a two-mile section of the Little Calumet River in South Chicago last week. Over the next six days, workers collected all dead fish that floated to the top. Divers also searched the riverbed for fish that may have sunk. The committee said Tuesday the fish sampling was complete and no Asian carp were discovered. While the lack of Asian carp found may end the poisoning strategy, John Rogner, assistant director at IDNR, said the committee?s dedication to keeping the invasive species out of the Great Lakes will not end here. The committee will continue to combat Asian carp through eDNA testing, electrofishing and netting. The results of the sampling suggest ?what we have already tentatively concluded based on all the earlier sampling we?ve done, and that is if Asian carp are in this waterway, they?re here in very, very low numbers,? Rogner said. Asian carp can greatly disrupt an ecosystem by consuming mass amounts of plankton, the main source of food for fish, driving out native species and decreasing the necessary diversity of the area. ?We have no evidence yet, hard evidence, of the presence of Asian carp but we?re not prepared just yet to conclude that there aren?t any above the barrier,? Rogner had said last week. This was the second fish poisoning conducted in an effort to prevent Asian carp from entering the Great Lakes. The first, in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal near Romeoville last December, yielded a single Asian carp. The recent poisoning was at T.J. O?Brien Lock and Dam, a location chosen after several samples of environmental DNA were found in the area, according to Colonel Vincent Quarles, commander of the Chicago district of the Army Corp of Engineers. Scientists are looking into other ways eDNA could have made its way down the river, other than the presence of live fish. Rogner said possibilities such as DNA samples moving down river attached to the bottoms of boats and remains of Asian carp served in restaurants entering the storm sewers have been suggested. Even though no live Asian carp were discovered following the poisoning, Roger said the $1.5 million the IDNR spent on the fish kill was worthwhile. The money was federally funded as part of a $78.5 plan to combat the invasion of Asian carp into the Great Lakes. ?What price do you put on knowledge?? Rogner said. ?Right now we?re working in an information vacuum. We?re paying for information that will start to give us a sense of what the true risk is. Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 05/26/2010 10:51:23 PM: > > > Well, > "Moose", since you didn't sign your post, I would ask you when was > the last time you were in a boat on the Little Calumet? I have been > on that river since 1977. I can tell you that it's much cleaner, > there are more birds, and more fishermen. There is also less > industry. Mixed bag. I love when I see herons and ibises. I also > lament when I see shuttered steel processing factories. The Ford > plant on Torrence hung by a thread until they got the new Taurus. I > am as green as anyone, but we have to be able to balance our > industry with our environment. That's a very tough call. > Regards, > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 > > > --- On Sun, 5/23/10, MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > From: MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (David) > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 7:53 PM > > I hope they plan a little more than a3mi. fish kill on the little > Calumet cause I can still remember streight discharges of raw > seweage into Lake Michigan and I suspect that this still goes on > creating a ready acess for these asian carp to enter Lake Michigan. > The real solution is to revert back to nature and close the barge > canls. Quit bowing to the special interests and do what is right. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" > <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > > > Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the > encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. > Learned something about the fish kill, and also the area of the > Calumet/Little Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee > Slough, Burns Ditch, and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban > waterways. Sounds a bit like the Anacostia River in Wash DC. > > > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of david dobbs > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season > > > > > > > > Guys, > > Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except > that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river > until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section > of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they > get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the > O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to > transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week > and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because > a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the > Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. > > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 > > > > - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. 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This is good news, right? I mean, if they had 10,000 pounds of Asian carp, that would have been bad news. Not good news for the dead fish though. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:03 PM, <st… [at] us.ul.com> wrote: > > > Sushi anybody ? > > > No Asian carp found at ‘fish kill’ > *by **Amy Langdon*<http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/WorkArea/linkit.aspx?LinkIdentifier=id&ItemID=155921>and > *Spencer Rinkus*<http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/WorkArea/linkit.aspx?LinkIdentifier=id&ItemID=155916> > * > May 26, 2010* > > [image: FISHKILL2]<http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/uploadedImages/News/Chicago/Images/Science/Fiskkill4%281%29.jpg> > > Amy Langdon/MEDILL > > $1.5 million. 2,000 gallons of fish poison. 10,000 pounds of dead fish. > Zero Asian carp. > > An effort to determine the presence of Asian carp by poisoning a stretch of > waterway yielded 10,000 pounds of dead fish – but none were the invasive > Asian carp. > > The Asian Carp Regional Coordinating Committee, a cooperative effort > between the Illinois Department of Natural Resources, the Army Corp of > Engineers and the Fish and Wildlife Service among others, dumped 2,000 > gallons of the fish toxicant Rotenone into a two-mile section of the Little > Calumet River in South Chicago last week. > > Over the next six days, workers collected all dead fish that floated to the > top. Divers also searched the riverbed for fish that may have sunk. The > committee said Tuesday the fish sampling was complete and no Asian carp were > discovered. > > While the lack of Asian carp found may end the poisoning strategy, John > Rogner, assistant director at IDNR, said the committee’s dedication to > keeping the invasive species out of the Great Lakes will not end here. The > committee will continue to combat Asian carp through eDNA testing, > electrofishing and netting. > > The results of the sampling suggest “what we have already tentatively > concluded based on all the earlier sampling we’ve done, and that is if Asian > carp are in this waterway, they’re here in very, very low numbers,” Rogner > said. > > Asian carp can greatly disrupt an ecosystem by consuming mass amounts of > plankton, the main source of food for fish, driving out native species and > decreasing the necessary diversity of the area. > > “We have no evidence yet, hard evidence, of the presence of Asian carp but > we’re not prepared just yet to conclude that there aren’t any above the > barrier,” Rogner had said last week. > > This was the second fish poisoning conducted in an effort to prevent Asian > carp from entering the Great Lakes. The first, in the Chicago Sanitary and > Ship Canal near Romeoville last December, yielded a single Asian carp. > > The recent poisoning was at T.J. O’Brien Lock and Dam, a location chosen > after several samples of environmental DNA were found in the area, according > to Colonel Vincent Quarles, commander of the Chicago district of the Army > Corp of Engineers. > > Scientists are looking into other ways eDNA could have made its way down > the river, other than the presence of live fish. > > Rogner said possibilities such as DNA samples moving down river attached to > the bottoms of boats and remains of Asian carp served in restaurants > entering the storm sewers have been suggested. > > Even though no live Asian carp were discovered following the poisoning, > Roger said the $1.5 million the IDNR spent on the fish kill was worthwhile. > The money was federally funded as part of a $78.5 plan to combat the > invasion of Asian carp into the Great Lakes. > > “What price do you put on knowledge?” Rogner said. “Right now we’re > working in an information vacuum. We’re paying for information that will > start to give us a sense of what the true risk is. > > > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 05/26/2010 10:51:23 PM: > > > > > > > Well, > > "Moose", since you didn't sign your post, I would ask you when was > > the last time you were in a boat on the Little Calumet? I have been > > on that river since 1977. I can tell you that it's much cleaner, > > there are more birds, and more fishermen. There is also less > > industry. Mixed bag. I love when I see herons and ibises. I also > > lament when I see shuttered steel processing factories. The Ford > > plant on Torrence hung by a thread until they got the new Taurus. I > > am as green as anyone, but we have to be able to balance our > > industry with our environment. That's a very tough call. > > Regards, > > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/23/10, MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > > > From: MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (David) > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 7:53 PM > > > > > I hope they plan a little more than a3mi. fish kill on the little > > Calumet cause I can still remember streight discharges of raw > > seweage into Lake Michigan and I suspect that this still goes on > > creating a ready acess for these asian carp to enter Lake Michigan. > > The real solution is to revert back to nature and close the barge > > canls. Quit bowing to the special interests and do what is right. > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" > > <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the > > encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. > > Learned something about the fish kill, and also the area of the > > Calumet/Little Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee > > Slough, Burns Ditch, and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban > > waterways. Sounds a bit like the Anacostia River in Wash DC. > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > Charlie > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > ] > > On Behalf Of david dobbs > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except > > that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river > > until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section > > of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they > > get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the > > O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to > > transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week > > and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because > > a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the > > Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. > > > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 > > > > > > > > > - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for > EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global > markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and > http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- > > ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** > This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential > information. 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It boggles the mind! This is our government at work to protect it's citizens.. The worst 9 words you can hear, " I'm here from the government to help you." " He who govers best, governs least" My Best, Mike From: "st… [at] us.ul.com" <st… [at] us.ul.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 9:03:24 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (Boaters on South end of Lake MI) Sushi anybody ? No Asian carp found at ‘fish kill’ by Amy Langdonand Spencer Rinkus May 26, 2010 Amy Langdon/MEDILL $1.5 million. 2,000 gallons of fish poison. 10,000 pounds of dead fish. Zero Asian carp. An effort to determine the presence of Asian carp by poisoning a stretch of waterway yielded 10,000 pounds of dead fish – but none were the invasive Asian carp. The Asian Carp Regional Coordinating Committee, a cooperative effort between the Illinois Department of Natural Resources, the Army Corp of Engineers and the Fish and Wildlife Service among others, dumped 2,000 gallons of the fish toxicant Rotenone into a two-mile section of the Little Calumet River in South Chicago last week. Over the next six days, workers collected all dead fish that floated to the top. Divers also searched the riverbed for fish that may have sunk. The committee said Tuesday the fish sampling was complete and no Asian carp were discovered. While the lack of Asian carp found may end the poisoning strategy, John Rogner, assistant director at IDNR, said the committee’s dedication to keeping the invasive species out of the Great Lakes will not end here. The committee will continue to combat Asian carp through eDNA testing, electrofishing and netting. The results of the sampling suggest “what we have already tentatively concluded based on all the earlier sampling we’ve done, and that is if Asian carp are in this waterway, they’re here in very, very low numbers,” Rogner said. Asian carp can greatly disrupt an ecosystem by consuming mass amounts of plankton, the main source of food for fish, driving out native species and decreasing the necessary diversity of the area. “We have no evidence yet, hard evidence, of the presence of Asian carp but we’re not prepared just yet to conclude that there aren’t any above the barrier,” Rogner had said last week. This was the second fish poisoning conducted in an effort to prevent Asian carp from entering the Great Lakes. The first, in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal near Romeoville last December, yielded a single Asian carp. The recent poisoning was at T.J. O’Brien Lock and Dam, a location chosen after several samples of environmental DNA were found in the area, according to Colonel Vincent Quarles, commander of the Chicago district of the Army Corp of Engineers. Scientists are looking into other ways eDNA could have made its way down the river, other than the presence of live fish. Rogner said possibilities such as DNA samples moving down river attached to the bottoms of boats and remains of Asian carp served in restaurants entering the storm sewers have been suggested. Even though no live Asian carp were discovered following the poisoning, Roger said the $1.5 million the IDNR spent on the fish kill was worthwhile. The money was federally funded as part of a $78.5 plan to combat the invasion of Asian carp into the Great Lakes. “What price do you put on knowledge?” Rogner said. “Right now we’re working in an information vacuum. We’re paying for information that will start to give us a sense of what the true risk is. Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 05/26/2010 10:51:23 PM: > > > Well, > "Moose", since you didn't sign your post, I would ask you when was > the last time you were in a boat on the Little Calumet? I have been > on that river since 1977. I can tell you that it's much cleaner, > there are more birds, and more fishermen. There is also less > industry. Mixed bag. I love when I see herons and ibises. I also > lament when I see shuttered steel processing factories. The Ford > plant on Torrence hung by a thread until they got the new Taurus. I > am as green as anyone, but we have to be able to balance our > industry with our environment. That's a very tough call. > Regards, > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 > > > --- On Sun, 5/23/10, MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > From: MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (David) > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 7:53 PM > > I hope they plan a little more than a3mi. fish kill on the little > Calumet cause I can still remember streight discharges of raw > seweage into Lake Michigan and I suspect that this still goes on > creating a ready acess for these asian carp to enter Lake Michigan. > The real solution is to revert back to nature and close the barge > canls. Quit bowing to the special interests and do what is right. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" > <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > > > Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the > encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. > Learned something about the fish kill, and also the area of the > Calumet/Little Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee > Slough, Burns Ditch, and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban > waterways. Sounds a bit like the Anacostia River in Wash DC. > > > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of david dobbs > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season > > > > > > > > Guys, > > Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except > that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river > until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section > of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they > get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the > O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to > transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week > and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because > a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the > Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. > > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 > > > > - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. 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From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:48:33 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (Boaters on South end of Lake MI) On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:03 PM, <st… [at] us.ul.com> wrote: >Sushi anybody ? > > >No Asian carp found at ‘fish kill’ >by Amy Langdonand Spencer Rinkus >May 26, 2010 > > >Amy Langdon/MEDILL >$1.5 million. 2,000 gallons of fish poison. 10,000 pounds of dead fish. Zero Asian carp. >An effort to determine the presence of Asian carp by poisoning a stretch of waterway yielded 10,000 pounds of dead fish – but none were the invasive Asian carp. >The Asian Carp Regional Coordinating Committee, a cooperative effort between the Illinois Department of Natural Resources, the Army Corp of Engineers and the Fish and Wildlife Service among others, dumped 2,000 gallons of the fish toxicant Rotenone into a two-mile section of the Little Calumet River in South Chicago last week. >Over the next six days, workers collected all dead fish that floated to the top. Divers also searched the riverbed for fish that may have sunk. The committee said Tuesday the fish sampling was complete and no Asian carp were discovered. >While the lack of Asian carp found may end the poisoning strategy, John Rogner, assistant director at IDNR, said the committee’s dedication to keeping the invasive species out of the Great Lakes will not end here. The committee will continue to combat Asian carp through eDNA testing, electrofishing and netting. >The results of the sampling suggest “what we have already tentatively concluded based on all the earlier sampling we’ve done, and that is if Asian carp are in this waterway, they’re here in very, very low numbers,” Rogner said. >Asian carp can greatly disrupt an ecosystem by consuming mass amounts of plankton, the main source of food for fish, driving out native species and decreasing the necessary diversity of the area. >“We have no evidence yet, hard evidence, of the presence of Asian carp but we’re not prepared just yet to conclude that there aren’t any above the barrier,” Rogner had said last week. >This was the second fish poisoning conducted in an effort to prevent Asian carp from entering the Great Lakes. The first, in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal near Romeoville last December, yielded a single Asian carp. >The recent poisoning was at T.J. O’Brien Lock and Dam, a location chosen after several samples of environmental DNA were found in the area, according to Colonel Vincent Quarles, commander of the Chicago district of the Army Corp of Engineers. >Scientists are looking into other ways eDNA could have made its way down the river, other than the presence of live fish. >Rogner said possibilities such as DNA samples moving down river attached to the bottoms of boats and remains of Asian carp served in restaurants entering the storm sewers have been suggested. >Even though no live Asian carp were discovered following the poisoning, Roger said the $1.5 million the IDNR spent on the fish kill was worthwhile. The money was federally funded as part of a $78.5 plan to combat the invasion of Asian carp into the Great Lakes. >“What price do you put on knowledge?” Rogner said. “Right now we’re working in an information vacuum. We’re paying for information that will start to give us a sense of what the true risk is. > > >Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 05/26/2010 10:51:23 PM: > >> >> >> Well, >> "Moose", since you didn't sign your post, I would ask you when was >> the last time you were in a boat on the Little Calumet? I have been >> on that river since 1977. I can tell you that it's much cleaner, >> there are more birds, and more fishermen. There is also less >> industry. Mixed bag. I love when I see herons and ibises. I also >> lament when I see shuttered steel processing factories. The Ford >> plant on Torrence hung by a thread until they got the new Taurus. I >> am as green as anyone, but we have to be able to balance our >> industry with our environment. That's a very tough call. >> Regards, >> David Dobbs, Cal29 411 >> >> >> --- On Sun, 5/23/10, MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: >> >> From: MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (David) >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 7:53 PM > >> >> I hope they plan a little more than a3mi. fish kill on the little >> Calumet cause I can still remember streight discharges of raw >> seweage into Lake Michigan and I suspect that this still goes on >> creating a ready acess for these asian carp to enter Lake Michigan. >> The real solution is to revert back to nature and close the barge >> canls. Quit bowing to the special interests and do what is right. >> >> --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" >> <husar_charlie@...> wrote: >> > >> > Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the >> encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. >> Learned something about the fish kill, and also the area of the >> Calumet/Little Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee >> Slough, Burns Ditch, and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban >> waterways. Sounds a bit like the Anacostia River in Wash DC. >> > >> > >> > Cheers >> > Charlie >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] >> On Behalf Of david dobbs >> > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM >> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season >> > >> > >> > >> > Guys, >> > Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except >> that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river >> until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section >> of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they >> get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the >> O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to >> transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week >> and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because >> a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the >> Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. >> > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 >> > > >> >> >- For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for >EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global >markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and >http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- > >********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** >This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential >information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not >disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this >message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail >message in error, please return by forwarding the message and >its attachments to the sender. > >UL and its affiliates do not accept liability for any errors, >omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message >or any attachments. >***************************************************************** > Sounds like Viet Nam. We had to burn your villiage to save it!( But we never saw a VC) My Best, Mike This is good news, right? I mean, if they had 10,000 pounds of Asian carp, that would have been bad news. Not good news for the dead fish though. Sounds like Viet Nam

This looks like one of those "damned if you do, and damned if you don't" projects. If they didn't do it, and the carp showed up, there would be heck to pay. Looks like a target for Mike Rowe on "Dirty Jobs". I can see him now scraping the bottom for fish carcasses. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of st… [at] us.ul.com Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:03 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (Boaters on South end of Lake MI) Sushi anybody ? No Asian carp found at 'fish kill' by Amy Langdon<http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/WorkArea/linkit.aspx?LinkIdentifier=id&ItemID=155921>and Spencer Rinkus<http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/WorkArea/linkit.aspx?LinkIdentifier=id&ItemID=155916> May 26, 2010 [cid:411000811@27052010-1A97]<http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/uploadedImages/News/Chicago/Images/Science/Fiskkill4%281%29.jpg> Amy Langdon/MEDILL $1.5 million. 2,000 gallons of fish poison. 10,000 pounds of dead fish. Zero Asian carp. An effort to determine the presence of Asian carp by poisoning a stretch of waterway yielded 10,000 pounds of dead fish - but none were the invasive Asian carp. The Asian Carp Regional Coordinating Committee, a cooperative effort between the Illinois Department of Natural Resources, the Army Corp of Engineers and the Fish and Wildlife Service among others, dumped 2,000 gallons of the fish toxicant Rotenone into a two-mile section of the Little Calumet River in South Chicago last week. Over the next six days, workers collected all dead fish that floated to the top. Divers also searched the riverbed for fish that may have sunk. The committee said Tuesday the fish sampling was complete and no Asian carp were discovered. While the lack of Asian carp found may end the poisoning strategy, John Rogner, assistant director at IDNR, said the committee's dedication to keeping the invasive species out of the Great Lakes will not end here. The committee will continue to combat Asian carp through eDNA testing, electrofishing and netting. The results of the sampling suggest "what we have already tentatively concluded based on all the earlier sampling we've done, and that is if Asian carp are in this waterway, they're here in very, very low numbers," Rogner said. Asian carp can greatly disrupt an ecosystem by consuming mass amounts of plankton, the main source of food for fish, driving out native species and decreasing the necessary diversity of the area. "We have no evidence yet, hard evidence, of the presence of Asian carp but we're not prepared just yet to conclude that there aren't any above the barrier," Rogner had said last week. This was the second fish poisoning conducted in an effort to prevent Asian carp from entering the Great Lakes. The first, in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal near Romeoville last December, yielded a single Asian carp. The recent poisoning was at T.J. O'Brien Lock and Dam, a location chosen after several samples of environmental DNA were found in the area, according to Colonel Vincent Quarles, commander of the Chicago district of the Army Corp of Engineers. Scientists are looking into other ways eDNA could have made its way down the river, other than the presence of live fish. Rogner said possibilities such as DNA samples moving down river attached to the bottoms of boats and remains of Asian carp served in restaurants entering the storm sewers have been suggested. Even though no live Asian carp were discovered following the poisoning, Roger said the $1.5 million the IDNR spent on the fish kill was worthwhile. The money was federally funded as part of a $78.5 plan to combat the invasion of Asian carp into the Great Lakes. "What price do you put on knowledge?" Rogner said. "Right now we're working in an information vacuum. We're paying for information that will start to give us a sense of what the true risk is. Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 05/26/2010 10:51:23 PM: > > > Well, > "Moose", since you didn't sign your post, I would ask you when was > the last time you were in a boat on the Little Calumet? I have been > on that river since 1977. I can tell you that it's much cleaner, > there are more birds, and more fishermen. There is also less > industry. Mixed bag. I love when I see herons and ibises. I also > lament when I see shuttered steel processing factories. The Ford > plant on Torrence hung by a thread until they got the new Taurus. I > am as green as anyone, but we have to be able to balance our > industry with our environment. That's a very tough call. > Regards, > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 > > > --- On Sun, 5/23/10, MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > From: MOOSE <mo… [at] aol.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (David) > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 7:53 PM > > I hope they plan a little more than a3mi. fish kill on the little > Calumet cause I can still remember streight discharges of raw > seweage into Lake Michigan and I suspect that this still goes on > creating a ready acess for these asian carp to enter Lake Michigan. > The real solution is to revert back to nature and close the barge > canls. Quit bowing to the special interests and do what is right. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" > <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > > > Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the > encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. > Learned something about the fish kill, and also the area of the > Calumet/Little Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee > Slough, Burns Ditch, and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban > waterways. Sounds a bit like the Anacostia River in Wash DC. > > > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of david dobbs > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season > > > > > > > > Guys, > > Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except > that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river > until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section > of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they > get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the > O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to > transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week > and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because > a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the > Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. > > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 > > > > - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. 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Allen, Good news yes. Meanwhile the state of Michigan, and maybe others are trying to sue to force the state of Illinois to close the O'Brien lock and break the connection of the Sanitary and Ship Channel to the Des Plaines river. This would effectively stop all commercial traffic. It would seperate the Great Lakes from the Mississippi River system. Number one it's not up to Illinois. The owner and operator of the locks is The Corps of Engineers. As in US of A. They like commercial traffic. They tolerate recreational traffic when it doesn't conflict with commercial. You're right, I'm not a big fan of the locktenders. At any event the electric barrier downstream may be working, which is supposed to repel fish from going upstream. Now you may ask, how did Asian Carp get here in the first place? Well, the fish farmers downstream on the Mississippi asked the Feds for permission to import them so they could use them to keep their catfish and other fish ponds clean of alge. The only problem with that is that the ponds are just the other side of the levees that keep the Mississippi in check. Well, floods happen, and did, the fish escaped into the Mississipi, and now we're facing a major issue. This stuff happened a long time ago, and the fish have been moving north since. So the next time someone wants to import a foreign species to fix something I would run screaming from the room. Regards, David Dobbs, Cal29 411 --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (Boaters on South end of Lake MI) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 12:48 AM This is good news, right? I mean, if they had 10,000 pounds of Asian carp, that would have been bad news. Not good news for the dead fish though. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:03 PM, <steven.j.urbanski@ us.ul.com> wrote: Sushi anybody ? No Asian carp found at ‘fish kill’ by Amy Langdonand Spencer Rinkus May 26, 2010 Amy Langdon/MEDILL $1.5 million. 2,000 gallons of fish poison. 10,000 pounds of dead fish. Zero Asian carp. An effort to determine the presence of Asian carp by poisoning a stretch of waterway yielded 10,000 pounds of dead fish – but none were the invasive Asian carp. The Asian Carp Regional Coordinating Committee, a cooperative effort between the Illinois Department of Natural Resources, the Army Corp of Engineers and the Fish and Wildlife Service among others, dumped 2,000 gallons of the fish toxicant Rotenone into a two-mile section of the Little Calumet River in South Chicago last week. Over the next six days, workers collected all dead fish that floated to the top. Divers also searched the riverbed for fish that may have sunk. The committee said Tuesday the fish sampling was complete and no Asian carp were discovered. While the lack of Asian carp found may end the poisoning strategy, John Rogner, assistant director at IDNR, said the committee’s dedication to keeping the invasive species out of the Great Lakes will not end here. The committee will continue to combat Asian carp through eDNA testing, electrofishing and netting. The results of the sampling suggest “what we have already tentatively concluded based on all the earlier sampling we’ve done, and that is if Asian carp are in this waterway, they’re here in very, very low numbers,” Rogner said. Asian carp can greatly disrupt an ecosystem by consuming mass amounts of plankton, the main source of food for fish, driving out native species and decreasing the necessary diversity of the area. “We have no evidence yet, hard evidence, of the presence of Asian carp but we’re not prepared just yet to conclude that there aren’t any above the barrier,” Rogner had said last week. This was the second fish poisoning conducted in an effort to prevent Asian carp from entering the Great Lakes. The first, in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal near Romeoville last December, yielded a single Asian carp. The recent poisoning was at T.J. O’Brien Lock and Dam, a location chosen after several samples of environmental DNA were found in the area, according to Colonel Vincent Quarles, commander of the Chicago district of the Army Corp of Engineers. Scientists are looking into other ways eDNA could have made its way down the river, other than the presence of live fish. Rogner said possibilities such as DNA samples moving down river attached to the bottoms of boats and remains of Asian carp served in restaurants entering the storm sewers have been suggested. Even though no live Asian carp were discovered following the poisoning, Roger said the $1.5 million the IDNR spent on the fish kill was worthwhile. The money was federally funded as part of a $78.5 plan to combat the invasion of Asian carp into the Great Lakes. “What price do you put on knowledge?” Rogner said. “Right now we’re working in an information vacuum. We’re paying for information that will start to give us a sense of what the true risk is. Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com wrote on 05/26/2010 10:51:23 PM: > > > Well, > "Moose", since you didn't sign your post, I would ask you when was > the last time you were in a boat on the Little Calumet? I have been > on that river since 1977. I can tell you that it's much cleaner, > there are more birds, and more fishermen. There is also less > industry. Mixed bag. I love when I see herons and ibises. I also > lament when I see shuttered steel processing factories. The Ford > plant on Torrence hung by a thread until they got the new Taurus. I > am as green as anyone, but we have to be able to balance our > industry with our environment. That's a very tough call. > Regards, > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 > > > --- On Sun, 5/23/10, MOOSE <mooserent7447@ aol.com> wrote: > > From: MOOSE <mooserent7447@ aol.com> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: 2010 Season (David) > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 7:53 PM > > I hope they plan a little more than a3mi. fish kill on the little > Calumet cause I can still remember streight discharges of raw > seweage into Lake Michigan and I suspect that this still goes on > creating a ready acess for these asian carp to enter Lake Michigan. > The real solution is to revert back to nature and close the barge > canls. Quit bowing to the special interests and do what is right. > > --- In Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA]" > <husar_charlie@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hi, David. I always enjoy when someone sends me running to the > encyclopedia (well, these days the web) to learn a little something. > Learned something about the fish kill, and also the area of the > Calumet/Little Calumet. Some places that struck were the Saganaskee > Slough, Burns Ditch, and the Hart Ditch. Such is the way of urban > waterways. Sounds a bit like the Anacostia River in Wash DC. > > > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of david dobbs > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:48 PM > > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] 2010 Season > > > > > > > > Guys, > > Waxed and buffed the hull today, I could launch this week, except > that the EPA and USCG, and IDNR have shut down traffic on the river > until next Thursday. They have done a fish kill in a 3 mile section > of the Little Calumet River, trying to kill Asian carp before they > get upstream into Lake Michigan. They have also shut down the > O'Brien lock, so all commercial traffic is not moving. I have to > transit that lock to get to my harbor, so I think I will wait a week > and let the barges have the lock. I have waited over 2 hours because > a tow was coming to the lock, and they would not pass us. On the > Calumet the barges rule. Makes me glad I only travel it twice a year. > > David Dobbs, Cal29 411 > > > > - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul. com and http://www.ulc. ca or contact your local sales representative. -- ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. 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more information that I wanted to know about the subject. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_carps <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_carps>

mike farrell wrote: > It boggles the mind! This is our government at work to protect > it's citizens.. The worst 9 words you can hear, " I'm here from the > government to help you." " He who govers best, governs least" OK, guys, I occasionally get worked up and let political comments slip in, and I'm properly admonished for soiling our sailing site with politics. Now it's my turn to admonish. The whole carp/canal and river closure question has a lot of arguments for and against, and lots of us who are familiar with invading species and their effect on the Great Lakes are concerned that we've governed too little in the area. Chris Campbell > >

Hi, I'm trying to get a crew mate to double hand my Cal 24 for the Corinthian Cup Race. It's from Marina del Rey to King Harbor (Redondo Beach YC has a dinner party afterwards), and return Sunday although I do have a crew available for the return race, but three or four is fine on my boat. Cheers, Jerry (310) 399-0844 leave a message cell if it works...(310) 403-6784