Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing

Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! Paul

Paul, Everyone recognized the situation/mistake too late. No damage was done to our boat, nor to the Hobie 33. I have been racing with our club for a few years. This was the first time anything like that has ever happened. I'm sure it will not happen again.... --Michael--

May be you should try to be race committee sometime Dave Paulson ----- Original Message ----- From: pw… [at] aol.com To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! Paul

Fyi I have done RC duty. Common sense mistake doesn't take RC experience to keep that from happening. Paul Dave & Cathy Paulson <dp… [at] socal.rr.com> wrote: >May be you should try to be race committee sometime >Dave Paulson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pw… [at] aol.com > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > > Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! > > Paul > >

As a follow up from my account of yesterday's race, I failed to mention that our local sail loft (SuperSailmakers) was out on the water on two powerboats, photographing and taking video of racers. Tomorrow night, we'll attend a race/sail clinic where they will give us pointers and critic performance. I hope they got some shots/video of race #2. It should be fun! I have full respect for the members of our club that take the time to volunteer for positions. No one is perfect. Even sanctioned Pro's make mistakes, as I have been party to that as well. One race I spent about $2K getting Magic ready for that race, only to have marks placed in positions inconsistent with the sailing instructions. We were leading the fleet, sailed right by the mark that was incorrectly placed, and incorrectly rounded the mark that was nearest to the location in the sailing instructions. I retired/withdrew. Life happens. --Michael-- From: Paul <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 5:40:08 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing Fyi I have done RC duty. Common sense mistake doesn't take RC experience to keep that from happening. Paul Dave & Cathy Paulson <dp… [at] socal.rr.com> wrote: >May be you should try to be race committee sometime >Dave Paulson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pw… [at] aol.com > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > > Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! > > Paul > >

In Paul's defense, maybe the race committee should actually be paying attention to the course....and checking for the boats that cross the line. They know how many start the race....and the boats have the ability to contact the committee if there is a problem and vice versa. Your comment sounded a little personal...were you on that Committee Boat, Dave? Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: Dave & Cathy Paulson <dp… [at] socal.rr.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 3:52:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing May be you should try to be race committee sometime Dave Paulson >From: pwestla@aol. com >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > >Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! > >Paul

I agree. I've never been on a race committee but I know i love my boat almost like a member of the family. starting a race before the last one is over on the same course sounds careless and pretty egregious. Paul is just saying what many of us would if our boats were compromised in a similar scenario. not to mention the safety of our crew (typically family). He might not win an award for tact but I can't disagree with the assessment. Jeff Theall --- On Tue, 5/25/10, Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:15 AM In Paul's defense, maybe the race committee should actually be paying attention to the course....and checking for the boats that cross the line. They know how many start the race....and the boats have the ability to contact the committee if there is a problem and vice versa. Your comment sounded a little personal...were you on that Committee Boat, Dave? Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD From: Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 3:52:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing May be you should try to be race committee sometime Dave Paulson From: pwestla@aol. com To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! Paul

Iam in southern Calif but have done myshare of race committe duty Dave Paulson ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Strasburger To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing In Paul's defense, maybe the race committee should actually be paying attention to the course....and checking for the boats that cross the line. They know how many start the race....and the boats have the ability to contact the committee if there is a problem and vice versa. Your comment sounded a little personal...were you on that Committee Boat, Dave? Charles S/V Boomerang! 1980 Cal 39, Mark II St Michaels, MD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Dave & Cathy Paulson <dp… [at] socal.rr.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 3:52:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing May be you should try to be race committee sometime Dave Paulson ----- Original Message ----- From: pwestla@aol. com To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! Paul

I've been RC many times and even gone out and shot photos after he race started and gotten back in time to take times by myself. I've served as fleet captain for 3 years straight, have written SI's, set courses and in all seriousness it sounds as if they were in a hurry to get to their cocktails or get off the water. A good RC makes all the difference in a nice race and a bad/dangerous race. That race should be thrown out of the series, no 2 ways about it. You guys were put in a dangerous situation that was unnecessary that lesser sailors may have been hurt boats damaged or worse. You treated them more kindly than they deserved frankly. They need a wake up call and a memo needs to go out regarding the lesson learned. Paul jeff theall <je… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >I agree. I've never been on a race committee but I know i love my boat almost like a member of the family. starting a race before the last one is over on the same course sounds careless and pretty egregious. Paul is just saying what many of us would if our boats were compromised in a similar scenario. not to mention the safety of our crew (typically family). He might not win an award for tact but I can't disagree with the assessment. > >Jeff Theall > >--- On Tue, 5/25/10, Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > >From: Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:15 AM > > > > > > > > >In Paul's defense, maybe the race committee should actually be paying attention to the course....and checking for the boats that cross the line. They know how many start the race....and the boats have the ability to contact the committee if there is a problem and vice versa. > >Your comment sounded a little personal...were you on that Committee Boat, Dave? > Charles >S/V Boomerang! >1980 Cal 39, Mark II >St Michaels, MD > > > > > > >From: Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 3:52:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > >May be you should try to be race committee sometime >Dave Paulson > >----- Original Message ----- >From: pwestla@aol. com >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > >Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! > >Paul > > > > > > > > > >

That brings to mine the "funny stuff" the Alinghi picked RC did in the second America's Cup race. And how on earth did one of the most professional race crews in the world be penalized twice for being in the wrong place at the start? Anyone in our Cal group have experience with match racing? Jerry --- On Tue, 5/25/10, Paul <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: From: Paul <pw… [at] aol.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:27 AM I've been RC many times and even gone out and shot photos after he race started and gotten back in time to take times by myself. I've served as fleet captain for 3 years straight, have written SI's, set courses and in all seriousness it sounds as if they were in a hurry to get to their cocktails or get off the water. A good RC makes all the difference in a nice race and a bad/dangerous race. That race should be thrown out of the series, no 2 ways about it. You guys were put in a dangerous situation that was unnecessary that lesser sailors may have been hurt boats damaged or worse. You treated them more kindly than they deserved frankly. They need a wake up call and a memo needs to go out regarding the lesson learned. Paul jeff theall <je… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >I agree. I've never been on a race committee but I know i love my boat almost like a member of the family. starting a race before the last one is over on the same course sounds careless and pretty egregious. Paul is just saying what many of us would if our boats were compromised in a similar scenario. not to mention the safety of our crew (typically family). He might not win an award for tact but I can't disagree with the assessment. > >Jeff Theall > >--- On Tue, 5/25/10, Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > >From: Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:15 AM > > > > > > > > >In Paul's defense, maybe the race committee should actually be paying attention to the course....and checking for the boats that cross the line. They know how many start the race....and the boats have the ability to contact the committee if there is a problem and vice versa. > >Your comment sounded a little personal...were you on that Committee Boat, Dave? > Charles >S/V Boomerang! >1980 Cal 39, Mark II >St Michaels, MD > > > > > > >From: Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 3:52:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > >May be you should try to be race committee sometime >Dave Paulson > >----- Original Message ----- >From: pwestla@aol. com >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > >Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! > >Paul > > > > > > > > > >

At CBYC in San Pedro, the Wet Wed. series had the 2 or 3 fleets passing the windward main channel buoy, crossing the narrow main channel to the leeward buoy and back 3 or more times. We always had ships and barges splitting the fleet and always getting in the ships way. It was only when a change was made imposing a fine on any vessel causing the ship to blast the 5x' warning. Now we round the windward mark and are kept out of the shipping channel unless its a sail thru to another location. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing I've been RC many times and even gone out and shot photos after he race started and gotten back in time to take times by myself. I've served as fleet captain for 3 years straight, have written SI's, set courses and in all seriousness it sounds as if they were in a hurry to get to their cocktails or get off the water. A good RC makes all the difference in a nice race and a bad/dangerous race. That race should be thrown out of the series, no 2 ways about it. You guys were put in a dangerous situation that was unnecessary that lesser sailors may have been hurt boats damaged or worse. You treated them more kindly than they deserved frankly. They need a wake up call and a memo needs to go out regarding the lesson learned. Paul jeff theall <je… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >I agree. I've never been on a race committee but I know i love my boat almost like a member of the family. starting a race before the last one is over on the same course sounds careless and pretty egregious. Paul is just saying what many of us would if our boats were compromised in a similar scenario. not to mention the safety of our crew (typically family). He might not win an award for tact but I can't disagree with the assessment. > >Jeff Theall > >--- On Tue, 5/25/10, Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > >From: Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:15 AM > > > > > > > > >In Paul's defense, maybe the race committee should actually be paying attention to the course....and checking for the boats that cross the line. They know how many start the race....and the boats have the ability to contact the committee if there is a problem and vice versa. > >Your comment sounded a little personal...were you on that Committee Boat, Dave? > Charles >S/V Boomerang! >1980 Cal 39, Mark II >St Michaels, MD > > > > > > >From: Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 3:52:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > >May be you should try to be race committee sometime >Dave Paulson > >----- Original Message ----- >From: pwestla@aol. com >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > >Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! > >Paul > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5145 (20100525) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5145 (20100525) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Yes, and I did not like(understand it) at first. As I grew to understand it, I liked it. However I sailed in 20' keel boats . I'm not sure I would like sailing (racing) Match Racing, in 74 thousand pound/ 65 foot Keelboats. I did mainsheet in NA yawls in 198? at Annapolis. A hard squall went thru and we collided with another racer. I did not REALLY like Match Racing then. WTF Jerry. My Best, Mike From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 9:58:37 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing That brings to mine the "funny stuff" the Alinghi picked RC did in the second America's Cup race. And how on earth did one of the most professional race crews in the world be penalized twice for being in the wrong place at the start? Anyone in our Cal group have experience with match racing? Jerry --- On Tue, 5/25/10, Paul <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: >From: Paul <pw… [at] aol.com> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:27 AM > > > >I've been RC many times and even gone out and shot photos after he race started and gotten back in time to take times by myself. I've served as fleet captain for 3 years straight, have written SI's, set courses and in all seriousness it sounds as if they were in a hurry to get to their cocktails or get off the water. A good RC makes all the difference in a nice race and a bad/dangerous race. That race should be thrown out of the series, no 2 ways about it. >You guys were put in a dangerous situation that was unnecessary that lesser sailors may have been hurt boats damaged or worse. You treated them more kindly than they deserved frankly. They need a wake up call and a memo needs to go out regarding the lesson learned. >Paul > >jeff theall <je… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >>I agree. I've never been on a race committee but I know i love my boat almost like a member of the family. starting a race before the last one is over on the same course sounds careless and pretty egregious. Paul is just saying what many of us would if our boats were compromised in a similar scenario. not to mention the safety of our crew (typically family). He might not win an award for tact but I can't disagree with the assessment. >> >>Jeff Theall >> >>--- On Tue, 5/25/10, Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>From: Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:15 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>In Paul's defense, maybe the race committee should actually be paying attention to the course....and checking for the boats that cross the line. They know how many start the race....and the boats have the ability to contact the committee if there is a problem and vice versa. >> >>Your comment sounded a little personal...were you on that Committee Boat, Dave? >> Charles >>S/V Boomerang! >>1980 Cal 39, Mark II >>St Michaels, MD >> >> >> >> >> >> >>From: Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 3:52:57 PM >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >> >> >> >> >>May be you should try to be race committee sometime >>Dave Paulson >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: pwestla@aol. com >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >> >> >> >> >>Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! >> >>Paul >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

This happens at Newport Beach California. Ferry traffic from Balboa waits. My Best, Mike From: John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:09:53 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Racing Last week I was on vacation in Venice Italy and there was a sailboat race with 30 or more boats racing through the harbor. There were about 100 commercial vessels of various sizes (mostly small to medium size tour boats and water taxis) going through the harbor at the same time. The commercial vessels ALL gave way to the sailboats with each group taking up half of the channel and the commercial vessels waiting for an opening before they crossed the sailboats. It was very surprising. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:59 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing That brings to mine the "funny stuff" the Alinghi picked RC did in the second America's Cup race. And how on earth did one of the most professional race crews in the world be penalized twice for being in the wrong place at the start? Anyone in our Cal group have experience with match racing? Jerry --- On Tue, 5/25/10, Paul <pwestla@aol. com> wrote: >From: Paul <pwestla@aol. com> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:27 AM > > > >I've been RC many times and even gone out and shot photos after he race started and gotten back in time to take times by myself. I've served as fleet captain for 3 years straight, have written SI's, set courses and in all seriousness it sounds as if they were in a hurry to get to their cocktails or get off the water. A good RC makes all the difference in a nice race and a bad/dangerous race. That race should be thrown out of the series, no 2 ways about it. >You guys were put in a dangerous situation that was unnecessary that lesser sailors may have been hurt boats damaged or worse. You treated them more kindly than they deserved frankly. They need a wake up call and a memo needs to go out regarding the lesson learned. >Paul > >jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> wrote: > >>I agree. I've never been on a race committee but I know i love my boat almost like a member of the family. starting a race before the last one is over on the same course sounds careless and pretty egregious. Paul is just saying what many of us would if our boats were compromised in a similar scenario. not to mention the safety of our crew (typically family). He might not win an award for tact but I can't disagree with the assessment. >> >>Jeff Theall >> >>--- On Tue, 5/25/10, Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>From: Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:15 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>In Paul's defense, maybe the race committee should actually be paying attention to the course....and checking for the boats that cross the line. They know how many start the race....and the boats have the ability to contact the committee if there is a problem and vice versa. >> >>Your comment sounded a little personal...were you on that Committee Boat, Dave? >> Charles >>S/V Boomerang! >>1980 Cal 39, Mark II >>St Michaels, MD >> >> >> >> >> >> >>From: Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 3:52:57 PM >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >> >> >> >> >>May be you should try to be race committee sometime >>Dave Paulson >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: pwestla@aol. com >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >> >> >> >> >>Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! >> >>Paul >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

Does anyone know if the Cal 36 that was advertised in Ventura was sold? Sure would be a nice boat, if only I could figure out how to own it and keep running a solar water heating business without having the current space I now have. Probably best to be happy in my current situation. Smaller boats ARE more fun. I also see two Cal 34s for sale, one for $8500 in Long Beach[?] area. Sigh. Jerry PS, Two boats, one here in Venice, one in Oceanside, lost their crews, washed overboard and drowned according to Lat. 38. One arrived on the beach here, without it's captain, who'd previously single handed in a Transpac race in 08. He was doing a Catalina race in our local Singlehanded Sailing club which meets at SMWYC, home of many ancillary clubs. The other was a couple off a Ranger 33, designed by one of Bill Lapworths diciples, Gary Mull and built in the same plant as Cals. Both boats were recovered, more or less.

Last week I was on vacation in Venice Italy and there was a sailboat race with 30 or more boats racing through the harbor. There were about 100 commercial vessels of various sizes (mostly small to medium size tour boats and water taxis) going through the harbor at the same time. The commercial vessels ALL gave way to the sailboats with each group taking up half of the channel and the commercial vessels waiting for an opening before they crossed the sailboats. It was very surprising. _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:59 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing That brings to mine the "funny stuff" the Alinghi picked RC did in the second America's Cup race. And how on earth did one of the most professional race crews in the world be penalized twice for being in the wrong place at the start? Anyone in our Cal group have experience with match racing? Jerry --- On Tue, 5/25/10, Paul <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: From: Paul <pw… [at] aol.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:27 AM I've been RC many times and even gone out and shot photos after he race started and gotten back in time to take times by myself. I've served as fleet captain for 3 years straight, have written SI's, set courses and in all seriousness it sounds as if they were in a hurry to get to their cocktails or get off the water. A good RC makes all the difference in a nice race and a bad/dangerous race. That race should be thrown out of the series, no 2 ways about it. You guys were put in a dangerous situation that was unnecessary that lesser sailors may have been hurt boats damaged or worse. You treated them more kindly than they deserved frankly. They need a wake up call and a memo needs to go out regarding the lesson learned. Paul jeff theall <je… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >I agree. I've never been on a race committee but I know i love my boat almost like a member of the family. starting a race before the last one is over on the same course sounds careless and pretty egregious. Paul is just saying what many of us would if our boats were compromised in a similar scenario. not to mention the safety of our crew (typically family). He might not win an award for tact but I can't disagree with the assessment. > >Jeff Theall > >--- On Tue, 5/25/10, Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > >From: Charles Strasburger <bo… [at] yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:15 AM > > > > > > > > >In Paul's defense, maybe the race committee should actually be paying attention to the course....and checking for the boats that cross the line. They know how many start the race....and the boats have the ability to contact the committee if there is a problem and vice versa. > >Your comment sounded a little personal...were you on that Committee Boat, Dave? > Charles >S/V Boomerang! >1980 Cal 39, Mark II >St Michaels, MD > > > > > > >From: Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 3:52:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > >May be you should try to be race committee sometime >Dave Paulson > >----- Original Message ----- >From: pwestla@aol. com >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > >Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! > >Paul > > > > > > > > > >

In SF, Ferry traffic goes around us but the tankers don't. Well, actually, one of the ferries t-boned a friends boat cutting it in half so they don't always avoid boats. My rule of thumb. Do you know how to tell if you can pass in front of a tanker? If you can see it, you can't clear it. They go very fast. In a race, maybe different rule. Allen On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:15 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > This happens at Newport Beach California. Ferry traffic from Balboa waits. > My Best, Mike > > ------------------------------ > *From:* John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tue, May 25, 2010 3:09:53 PM > *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > Last week I was on vacation in Venice Italy and there was a sailboat race > with 30 or more boats racing through the harbor. There were about 100 > commercial vessels of various sizes (mostly small to medium size tour boats > and water taxis) going through the harbor at the same time. The commercial > vessels ALL gave way to the sailboats with each group taking up half of the > channel and the commercial vessels waiting for an opening before they > crossed the sailboats. It was very surprising. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Gerald Sobel > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:59 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > That brings to mine the "funny stuff" the Alinghi picked RC did in the > second America's Cup race. > > And how on earth did one of the most professional race crews in the world > be penalized twice for being in the wrong place at the start? > > Anyone in our Cal group have experience with match racing? > Jerry > > --- On *Tue, 5/25/10, Paul <pwestla@aol. com>* wrote: > > > From: Paul <pwestla@aol. com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:27 AM > > > > I've been RC many times and even gone out and shot photos after he race > started and gotten back in time to take times by myself. I've served as > fleet captain for 3 years straight, have written SI's, set courses and in > all seriousness it sounds as if they were in a hurry to get to their > cocktails or get off the water. A good RC makes all the difference in a nice > race and a bad/dangerous race. That race should be thrown out of the series, > no 2 ways about it. > You guys were put in a dangerous situation that was unnecessary that lesser > sailors may have been hurt boats damaged or worse. You treated them more > kindly than they deserved frankly. They need a wake up call and a memo needs > to go out regarding the lesson learned. > Paul > > jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > >I agree. I've never been on a race committee but I know i love my boat > almost like a member of the family. starting a race before the last one is > over on the same course sounds careless and pretty egregious. Paul is just > saying what many of us would if our boats were compromised in a similar > scenario. not to mention the safety of our crew (typically family). He > might not win an award for tact but I can't disagree with the assessment. > > > >Jeff Theall > > > >--- On Tue, 5/25/10, Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > > >From: Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> > >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:15 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In Paul's defense, maybe the race committee should actually be paying > attention to the course....and checking for the boats that cross the line. > They know how many start the race....and the boats have the ability > to contact the committee if there is a problem and vice versa. > > > >Your comment sounded a little personal...were you on that Committee Boat, > Dave? > > Charles > >S/V Boomerang! > >1980 Cal 39, Mark II > >St Michaels, MD > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> > >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > >Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 3:52:57 PM > >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > > > > > > >May be you should try to be race committee sometime > >Dave Paulson > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: pwestla@aol. com > >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM > >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > > > > > > >Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a > new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill > geezus! > > > >Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Don't know about the 36. The Ranger 33 couple (husband and wife) went over board at Ocean Beach, S F. People from the Cliff House saw them in the water and called the CG. I suspect if the could be seen by folks on shore that they were pretty close in: The South Bar This bar runs from the south side of the ship channel and runs to ocean beach. On the charts there is an area marked called the “South Channel”. This area has claimed many boats and many lives due to the fact that there is no discernable channel here. Also, many boats run out to the east side of the channel then run south to avoid the traffic in the ship channel, and they end up crossing the south bar on its outside edge. This area is very dangerous since in contains “first generation breakers” that seem to pop out of no where since it the first spot the wave hits the bar. This is what happened to the former bass player from the band “Loverboy” a couple of years ago. They never did find his body or the steering wheel of his boat that he was hanging on to when the breaker hit. This is just one boat of many that has met its fate here. http://www.coastsidefishingclub.com/The-San-Francisco-Bar Very sad indeed. Mike To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: so… [at] yahoo.com Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:21:52 -0700 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 sold in Ventura? Two tragic accidents during Sat's gale. Does anyone know if the Cal 36 that was advertised in Ventura was sold? Sure would be a nice boat, if only I could figure out how to own it and keep running a solar water heating business without having the current space I now have. Probably best to be happy in my current situation. Smaller boats ARE more fun. I also see two Cal 34s for sale, one for $8500 in Long Beach[?] area. Sigh. Jerry PS, Two boats, one here in Venice, one in Oceanside, lost their crews, washed overboard and drowned according to Lat. 38. One arrived on the beach here, without it's captain, who'd previously single handed in a Transpac race in 08. He was doing a Catalina race in our local Singlehanded Sailing club which meets at SMWYC, home of many ancillary clubs. The other was a couple off a Ranger 33, designed by one of Bill Lapworths diciples, Gary Mull and built in the same plant as Cals. Both boats were recovered, more or less. Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1

hi phoned "bert" to see if his 36 was sold or is still 4sale .. will update soon.. ..It is very sad when the boat is found with people missing!! Small mistake(s) can start a disaster..both boats seem very sea worthy ... We are thinking harness & tethers for ocean sailing... and fair weather starts ...Edward From: Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> To: Cal boats List <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:28:52 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 sold in Ventura? Two tragic accidents during Sat's gale. (Jerry) Don't know about the 36. The Ranger 33 couple (husband and wife) went over board at Ocean Beach, S F. People from the Cliff House saw them in the water and called the CG. I suspect if the could be seen by folks on shore that they were pretty close in: The South BarThis bar runs from the south side of the ship channel and runs to ocean beach. On the charts there is an area marked called the “South Channel”. This area has claimed many boats and many lives due to the fact that there is no discernable channel here. Also, many boats run out to the east side of the channel then run south to avoid the traffic in the ship channel, and they end up crossing the south bar on its outside edge. This area is very dangerous since in contains “first generation breakers” that seem to pop out of no where since it the first spot the wave hits the bar. This is what happened to the former bass player from the band “Loverboy” a couple of years ago. They never did find his body or the steering wheel of his boat that he was hanging on to when the breaker hit. This is just one boat of many that has met its fate here. http://www.coastsid efishingclub. com/The-San- Francisco- Bar Very sad indeed. Mike To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: sobel_solar@ yahoo.com Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:21:52 -0700 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 sold in Ventura? Two tragic accidents during Sat's gale. Does anyone know if the Cal 36 that was advertised in Ventura was sold? Sure would be a nice boat, if only I could figure out how to own it and keep running a solar water heating business without having the current space I now have. Probably best to be happy in my current situation. Smaller boats ARE more fun. I also see two Cal 34s for sale, one for $8500 in Long Beach[?] area. Sigh. Jerry PS, Two boats, one here in Venice, one in Oceanside, lost their crews, washed overboard and drowned according to Lat. 38. One arrived on the beach here, without it's captain, who'd previously single handed in a Transpac race in 08. He was doing a Catalina race in our local Singlehanded Sailing club which meets at SMWYC, home of many ancillary clubs. The other was a couple off a Ranger 33, designed by one of Bill Lapworths diciples, Gary Mull and built in the same plant as Cals. Both boats were recovered, more or less. Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Learn more.

Jerry, My club has hosted match races for J105 racers for the last 3 years, and I can tell you it's a whole lot different than normal club or fleet racing. We import judges and umpires to help us score the races. Match racing is a different animal But one-design racing is becoming more popular. it's the thing the makes Tartan-10 racing what it is. We have a large fleet of T-10 (33 foot fractional rigged boats), and they race one design, meaning who finishes first wins. They have strict class rules about sails, etc. These guys are good racers, and sailors. I usually work on the committee boat for the finish of the Tri-State Race, which is a 32 mile race, usually finished downwind with the T10s screaming to the finish, all in a bunch. Try to keep the sail numbers and finish order correct! That's why we have 3 people recording finishes. I guess this became another RC story. Regards, David Dobbs, Cal29 411 --- On Tue, 5/25/10, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 11:58 AM That brings to mine the "funny stuff" the Alinghi picked RC did in the second America's Cup race. And how on earth did one of the most professional race crews in the world be penalized twice for being in the wrong place at the start? Anyone in our Cal group have experience with match racing? Jerry --- On Tue, 5/25/10, Paul <pwestla@aol. com> wrote: From: Paul <pwestla@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:27 AM I've been RC many times and even gone out and shot photos after he race started and gotten back in time to take times by myself. I've served as fleet captain for 3 years straight, have written SI's, set courses and in all seriousness it sounds as if they were in a hurry to get to their cocktails or get off the water. A good RC makes all the difference in a nice race and a bad/dangerous race. That race should be thrown out of the series, no 2 ways about it. You guys were put in a dangerous situation that was unnecessary that lesser sailors may have been hurt boats damaged or worse. You treated them more kindly than they deserved frankly. They need a wake up call and a memo needs to go out regarding the lesson learned. Paul jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> wrote: >I agree. I've never been on a race committee but I know i love my boat almost like a member of the family. starting a race before the last one is over on the same course sounds careless and pretty egregious. Paul is just saying what many of us would if our boats were compromised in a similar scenario. not to mention the safety of our crew (typically family). He might not win an award for tact but I can't disagree with the assessment. > >Jeff Theall > >--- On Tue, 5/25/10, Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > >From: Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:15 AM > > > > > > > > >In Paul's defense, maybe the race committee should actually be paying attention to the course....and checking for the boats that cross the line. They know how many start the race....and the boats have the ability to contact the committee if there is a problem and vice versa. > >Your comment sounded a little personal...were you on that Committee Boat, Dave? > Charles >S/V Boomerang! >1980 Cal 39, Mark II >St Michaels, MD > > > > > > >From: Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 3:52:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > >May be you should try to be race committee sometime >Dave Paulson > >----- Original Message ----- >From: pwestla@aol. com >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > >Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! > >Paul > > > > > > > > > >

In most races the competing boats are not to interfere with working vessels, as per coast guard rule. In the south bay you will be dq'd (even if you aren't T-boned). A second suggestion, when you look for that tanker or container ship, look to see if it is being towed. I watched two sailboats cross over a towrope/chain after a Blue Angels SF bay event. There is no control for the tanker at that point but their horns really worked. You can only imagine what could happen if the rope tightened up. The ferries are fast but most of their directions are predictable and you can see them leaving the bayfront. They are considered powerboats. I am curious to know how the insurance companies came to terms, hoping of course everyone survived. 30 years ago I was crossing the Santa Barbara channel (shipping lane) in a Catalina 30 when a container ship came out of nowhere (slightly foggy but some visibility) and they sounded the only fog signal upon seeing us. maybe the other fog signal was sounded two minutes before but it wasn't heard. Instant jibe saved us but the water in front of its bow was higher than our masthead. It's wise to use your own fog signal, also, and at dawn or dusk your running lights if under sail and your steaming light if you are under power in which case you too are a power boat.which everybody here probably already knows.. Helen From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:24:54 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing In SF, Ferry traffic goes around us but the tankers don't. Well, actually, one of the ferries t-boned a friends boat cutting it in half so they don't always avoid boats. My rule of thumb. Do you know how to tell if you can pass in front of a tanker? If you can see it, you can't clear it. They go very fast. In a race, maybe different rule. Allen On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:15 PM, mike farrell <vectormenow@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >This happens at Newport Beach California. Ferry traffic from Balboa waits. > My Best, Mike > > > > From: John Boyce <jecyob@gmail. com> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:09:53 PM >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > >Last week I was on vacation in Venice Italy and there was a sailboat race with 30 or more boats racing through the harbor. There were about 100 commercial vessels of various sizes (mostly small to medium size tour boats and water taxis) going through the harbor at the same time. The commercial vessels ALL gave way to the sailboats with each group taking up half of the channel and the commercial vessels waiting for an opening before they crossed the sailboats. It was very surprising. > > From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:59 AM >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > >That brings to mine the "funny stuff" the Alinghi picked RC did in the second America's Cup race. > >And how on earth did one of the most professional race crews in the world be penalized twice for being in the wrong place at the start? > >Anyone in our Cal group have experience with match racing? >Jerry > >--- On Tue, 5/25/10, Paul <pwestla@aol. com> wrote: > > >>From: Paul <pwestla@aol. com> >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:27 AM >> >> >> >>I've been RC many times and even gone out and shot photos after he race started and gotten back in time to take times by myself. I've served as fleet captain for 3 years straight, have written SI's, set courses and in all seriousness it sounds as if they were in a hurry to get to their cocktails or get off the water. A good RC makes all the difference in a nice race and a bad/dangerous race. That race should be thrown out of the series, no 2 ways about it. >>>> >>You guys were put in a dangerous situation that was unnecessary that lesser sailors may have been hurt boats damaged or worse. You treated them more kindly than they deserved frankly. They need a wake up call and a memo needs to go out regarding the lesson learned. >>>> >>Paul >> >>jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>I agree. I've never been on a race committee but I know i love my boat almost like a member of the family. starting a race >> before the last one is over on the same course sounds careless and pretty egregious. Paul is just saying what many of us would if our boats were compromised in a similar scenario. not to mention the safety of our crew (typically family). He might not win an award for tact but I can't disagree with the assessment. >>>> >>> >>>Jeff Theall >>> >>>--- On Tue, 5/25/10, Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>From: Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> >>>> >>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >>>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:15 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>In Paul's defense, maybe the race committee should actually be paying attention to the course....and checking for the boats that cross the line. They know >> how many start the race....and the boats have the ability to contact the committee if there is a problem and vice versa. >>> >>>Your comment sounded a little personal...were you on that Committee Boat, Dave? >>>> >>> Charles >>>S/V Boomerang! >>>1980 Cal 39, Mark II >>>St Michaels, MD >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>From: Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> >>>> >>>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 3:52:57 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>May be you should try to be race committee sometime >>>> >>>Dave Paulson >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: pwestla@aol. com >>>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM >>>> >>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>>Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill geezus! >>> >>>Paul >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >

Reminds me of a story my daddy told me. He was delivering a boat in the Caribbean and had a very early VHF radio (before almost anyone had then except working boats). He saw a light and called the boat. It was night. He was warned that the boat was towing an unlit barge a mile back and that my dad was about to go between them. Allen On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > In most races the competing boats are not to interfere with working > vessels, as per coast guard rule. In the south bay you will be dq'd (even if > you aren't T-boned). A second suggestion, when you look for that tanker or > container ship, look to see if it is being towed. I watched two sailboats > cross over a towrope/chain after a Blue Angels SF bay event. There is no > control for the tanker at that point but their horns really worked. You can > only imagine what could happen if the rope tightened up. The ferries are > fast but most of their directions are predictable and you can see them > leaving the bayfront. They are considered powerboats. I am curious to know > how the insurance companies came to terms, hoping of course everyone > survived. 30 years ago I was crossing the Santa Barbara channel (shipping > lane) in a Catalina 30 when a container ship came out of nowhere (slightly > foggy but some visibility) and they sounded the only fog signal upon seeing > us. maybe the other fog signal was sounded two minutes before but it wasn't > heard. Instant jibe saved us but the water in front of its bow was higher > than our masthead. It's wise to use your own fog signal, also, and at dawn > or dusk your running lights if under sail and your steaming light if you are > under power in which case you too are a power boat.which everybody here > probably already knows.. Helen > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tue, May 25, 2010 3:24:54 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing > > > > In SF, Ferry traffic goes around us but the tankers don't. Well, actually, > one of the ferries t-boned a friends boat cutting it in half so they don't > always avoid boats. > > My rule of thumb. Do you know how to tell if you can pass in front of a > tanker? If you can see it, you can't clear it. They go very fast. In a > race, maybe different rule. > > Allen > > > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:15 PM, mike farrell <vectormenow@ yahoo.com<ve… [at] yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> >> >> This happens at Newport Beach California. Ferry traffic from Balboa >> waits. >> My Best, Mike >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* John Boyce <jecyob@gmail. com <je… [at] gmail.com>> >> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Tue, May 25, 2010 3:09:53 PM >> *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] Racing >> >> >> >> Last week I was on vacation in Venice Italy and there was a sailboat race >> with 30 or more boats racing through the harbor. There were about 100 >> commercial vessels of various sizes (mostly small to medium size tour boats >> and water taxis) going through the harbor at the same time. The commercial >> vessels ALL gave way to the sailboats with each group taking up half of the >> channel and the commercial vessels waiting for an opening before they >> crossed the sailboats. It was very surprising. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou >> ps.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Gerald Sobel >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:59 AM >> *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >> >> >> >> That brings to mine the "funny stuff" the Alinghi picked RC did in the >> second America's Cup race. >> >> And how on earth did one of the most professional race crews in the world >> be penalized twice for being in the wrong place at the start? >> >> Anyone in our Cal group have experience with match racing? >> Jerry >> >> --- On *Tue, 5/25/10, Paul <pwestla@aol. com>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Paul <pwestla@aol. com> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:27 AM >> >> >> >> I've been RC many times and even gone out and shot photos after he race >> started and gotten back in time to take times by myself. I've served as >> fleet captain for 3 years straight, have written SI's, set courses and in >> all seriousness it sounds as if they were in a hurry to get to their >> cocktails or get off the water. A good RC makes all the difference in a nice >> race and a bad/dangerous race. That race should be thrown out of the series, >> no 2 ways about it. >> You guys were put in a dangerous situation that was unnecessary that >> lesser sailors may have been hurt boats damaged or worse. You treated them >> more kindly than they deserved frankly. They need a wake up call and a memo >> needs to go out regarding the lesson learned. >> Paul >> >> jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >I agree. I've never been on a race committee but I know i love my boat >> almost like a member of the family. starting a race before the last one is >> over on the same course sounds careless and pretty egregious. Paul is just >> saying what many of us would if our boats were compromised in a similar >> scenario. not to mention the safety of our crew (typically family). He >> might not win an award for tact but I can't disagree with the assessment. >> > >> >Jeff Theall >> > >> >--- On Tue, 5/25/10, Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> >From: Charles Strasburger <boomerang_cal39@ yahoo.com> >> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:15 AM >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >In Paul's defense, maybe the race committee should actually be paying >> attention to the course....and checking for the boats that cross the line. >> They know how many start the race....and the boats have the ability >> to contact the committee if there is a problem and vice versa. >> > >> >Your comment sounded a little personal...were you on that Committee Boat, >> Dave? >> > Charles >> >S/V Boomerang! >> >1980 Cal 39, Mark II >> >St Michaels, MD >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >From: Dave & Cathy Paulson <dpaulson@socal. rr.com> >> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> >Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 3:52:57 PM >> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >May be you should try to be race committee sometime >> >Dave Paulson >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: pwestla@aol. com >> >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:11 PM >> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Racing >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Sounds like you should protest the dumbass race committee for starting a >> new race when another one was finishing! At least send them a repair bill >> geezus! >> > >> >Paul >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >

Hello, Here is a slide show of the race we did at the end of April. http://www.youtube.com/user/katiesmithphotos You'll spot us ~ 3:37 into the video and with asymmetrical flying ~ 8:32. Michael s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL

That was a really good start! Looks like you got into clear air almost right away. Nice boat! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 7:55:08 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Hillsboro to West Palm Beach Race Hello, Here is a slide show of the race we did at the end of April. http://www.youtube.com/user/katiesmithphotos You'll spot us ~ 3:37 into the video and with asymmetrical flying ~ 8:32. Michael s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL

Thanks Donald, It was an exciting start. 25 miles later we took 3rd in our class. Michael From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 12:01:48 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Hillsboro to West Palm Beach Race That was a really good start! Looks like you got into clear air almost right away. Nice boat! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Michael D <mddfl@yahoo. com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 7:55:08 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Hillsboro to West Palm Beach Race Hello, Here is a slide show of the race we did at the end of April. http://www.youtube. com/user/ katiesmithphotos You'll spot us ~ 3:37 into the video and with asymmetrical flying ~ 8:32. Michael s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL

A trick that a friend on mine used when she crossed the pacific was to have a stainless steel ring made and placed under the mast. To that ring she attached a 40 ft line with knots every foot and then attached her harness to the line. The theory was that with the ring she had access to all parts of her Choey Lee Clipper without snagging and would be thrown clear in case of a role over. No chance to get caught in the rigging at that length and even more important less of a chance of a head injury then with the standard 6 ft lines tethered to a jack line. Here theory was put to practice not once but twice as she was thrown clear of the boat as it rolled, came back up and kept going. The knots allowed her to get back on board safely. Just another way of doing it, and something that I reflected on long and hard on my boat as I was travelling by myself. I ended up using 30 ft of line tied to the center bow cleat with and additional length of the standard tether. At 7 knots cruising down Delaware Bay with the current and tide I would rather be thrown clear of the boat, rather then left hanging on the side with a 6 ft tether. Secondly, at that length there was no way to get back to the boarding ladder which was tied off with a quick release knot on the stern. One pull and it comes down. (tested and it worked at dock side of course) I was lucky...the trip was wonderful on the engine, completely smooth water and 0-5 knots wind. Cloudy but a glorious day from Cape May to Cohansey RIver where the boat is not on the hard. /ch On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > hi phoned "bert" to see if his 36 was sold or is still 4sale .. will update > soon.. ..It is very sad when the boat is found with people missing!! Small > mistake(s) > can start a disaster..both boats seem very sea worthy > ... We are thinking harness & tethers for ocean sailing... and fair weather > starts ...Edward > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> > *To:* Cal boats List <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tue, May 25, 2010 3:28:52 PM > *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 sold in Ventura? Two tragic accidents > during Sat's gale. (Jerry) > > > > Don't know about the 36. > The Ranger 33 couple (husband and wife) went over board at Ocean Beach, S > F. People from the Cliff House saw them in the water and called the CG. I > suspect if the could be seen by folks on shore that they were pretty close > in: > The South Bar This bar runs from the south side of the ship channel and > runs to ocean beach. On the charts there is an area marked called the “South > Channel”. This area has claimed many boats and many lives due to the fact > that there is no discernable channel here. Also, many boats run out to the > east side of the channel then run south to avoid the traffic in the ship > channel, and they end up crossing the south bar on its outside edge. This > area is very dangerous since in contains “first generation breakers” that > seem to pop out of no where since it the first spot the wave hits the bar. > This is what happened to the former bass player from the band “Loverboy” a > couple of years ago. They never did find his body or the steering wheel of > his boat that he was hanging on to when the breaker hit. This is just one > boat of many that has met its fate here. > > > http://www.coastsid efishingclub. com/The-San- Francisco- Bar > > > Very sad indeed. > > > *Mike* > ** > > > > > ------------------------------ > To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > From: sobel_solar@ yahoo.com > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:21:52 -0700 > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 sold in Ventura? Two tragic accidents during > Sat's gale. > > > > Does anyone know if the Cal 36 that was advertised in Ventura was sold? > Sure would be a nice boat, if only I could figure out how to own it and keep > running a solar water heating business without having the current space I > now have. > > Probably best to be happy in my current situation. Smaller boats ARE more > fun. > I also see two Cal 34s for sale, one for $8500 in Long Beach[?] area. > > Sigh. > Jerry > > PS, Two boats, one here in Venice, one in Oceanside, lost their crews, > washed overboard and drowned according to Lat. 38. One arrived on the beach > here, without it's captain, who'd previously single handed in a Transpac > race in 08. He was doing a Catalina race in our local Singlehanded Sailing > club which meets at SMWYC, home of many ancillary clubs. > > The other was a couple off a Ranger 33, designed by one of Bill Lapworths > diciples, Gary Mull and built in the same plant as Cals. Both boats were > recovered, more or less. > > > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. Learn more.<http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1> > > -- /ch

Keep a sharp knife that can be opened with one hand---and practice! My Best, Mike ps. I have been overboard 4 times in 40 years, Once off Oahu, 3 times in SF Bay. LUCKY? My Best, Mike From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 6:06:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 sold in Ventura? Two tragic accidents during Sat's gale. (Jerry) A trick that a friend on mine used when she crossed the pacific was to have a stainless steel ring made and placed under the mast. To that ring she attached a 40 ft line with knots every foot and then attached her harness to the line. The theory was that with the ring she had access to all parts of her Choey Lee Clipper without snagging and would be thrown clear in case of a role over. No chance to get caught in the rigging at that length and even more important less of a chance of a head injury then with the standard 6 ft lines tethered to a jack line. Here theory was put to practice not once but twice as she was thrown clear of the boat as it rolled, came back up and kept going. The knots allowed her to get back on board safely. Just another way of doing it, and something that I reflected on long and hard on my boat as I was travelling by myself. I ended up using 30 ft of line tied to the center bow cleat with and additional length of the standard tether. At 7 knots cruising down Delaware Bay with the current and tide I would rather be thrown clear of the boat, rather then left hanging on the side with a 6 ft tether. Secondly, at that length there was no way to get back to the boarding ladder which was tied off with a quick release knot on the stern. One pull and it comes down. (tested and it worked at dock side of course) I was lucky...the trip was wonderful on the engine, completely smooth water and 0-5 knots wind. Cloudy but a glorious day from Cape May to Cohansey RIver where the boat is not on the hard. /ch On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: >hi phoned "bert" to see if his 36 was sold or is still 4sale .. will update soon.. ..It is very sad when the boat is found with people missing!! Small mistake(s) >can start a disaster..both boats seem very sea worthy >... We are thinking harness & tethers for ocean sailing... and fair weather starts ...Edward > > > > > > From: Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> >To: Cal boats List <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 3:28:52 PM >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 sold in Ventura? Two tragic accidents during Sat's gale. (Jerry) > > >Don't know about the 36. > The Ranger 33 couple (husband and wife) went over board at Ocean Beach, S F. People from the Cliff House saw them in the water and called the CG. I suspect if the could be seen by folks on shore that they were pretty close in: > >The South BarThis bar runs from the south side of the ship channel and runs to ocean beach. On the charts there is an area marked called the “South Channel”. This area has claimed many boats and many lives due to the fact that there is no discernable channel here. Also, many boats run out to the east side of the channel then run south to avoid the traffic in the ship channel, and they end up crossing the south bar on its outside edge. This area is very dangerous since in contains “first generation breakers” that seem to pop out of no where since it the first spot the wave hits the bar. This is what happened to the former bass player from the band “Loverboy” a couple of years ago. They never did find his body or the steering wheel of his boat that he was hanging on to when the breaker hit. This is just one boat of many that has met its fate here. > >http://www.coastsid efishingclub. com/The-San- Francisco- Bar > > Very sad indeed. > > > >Mike > > > > >________________________________ To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > >From: sobel_solar@ yahoo.com >Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:21:52 -0700 >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 sold in Ventura? Two tragic accidents during Sat's gale. > > > > >Does anyone know if the Cal 36 that was advertised in Ventura was sold? Sure would be a nice boat, if only I could figure out how to own it and keep running a solar water heating business without having the current space I now have. > >Probably best to be happy in my current situation. Smaller boats ARE more fun. >I also see two Cal 34s for sale, one for $8500 in Long Beach[?] area. > >Sigh. >Jerry > >PS, Two boats, one here in Venice, one in Oceanside, lost their crews, washed overboard and drowned according to Lat. 38. One arrived on the beach here, without it's captain, who'd previously single handed in a Transpac race in 08. He was doing a Catalina race in our local Singlehanded Sailing club which meets at SMWYC, home of many ancillary clubs. > >The other was a couple off a Ranger 33, designed by one of Bill Lapworths diciples, Gary Mull and built in the same plant as Cals. Both boats were recovered, more or less. > > > >________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Learn more. -- /ch

Yup thats the same advise I got from the same gal. Razor sharp and be able to open it with either left or right hand. Make sure it is firmly attached to your vest or belt. Good drill. right hand is easy but left hand requires a lot of practise, for us right handers so as to not get fingers in the way...:) Best /ch On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:20 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Keep a sharp knife that can be opened with one hand---and practice! > My Best, Mike > ps. I have been overboard 4 times in 40 years, Once off Oahu, 3 times in > SF Bay. LUCKY? > My Best, Mike > > ------------------------------ > *From:* chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Mon, May 31, 2010 6:06:15 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 sold in Ventura? Two tragic accidents > during Sat's gale. (Jerry) > > > > A trick that a friend on mine used when she crossed the pacific was to have > a stainless steel ring made and placed under the mast. To that ring she > attached a 40 ft line with knots every foot and then attached her harness to > the line. The theory was that with the ring she had access to all parts of > her Choey Lee Clipper without snagging and would be thrown clear in case of > a role over. No chance to get caught in the rigging at that length and even > more important less of a chance of a head injury then with the standard 6 ft > lines tethered to a jack line. Here theory was put to practice not once but > twice as she was thrown clear of the boat as it rolled, came back up and > kept going. The knots allowed her to get back on board safely. > > Just another way of doing it, and something that I reflected on long and > hard on my boat as I was travelling by myself. I ended up using 30 ft of > line tied to the center bow cleat with and additional length of the standard > tether. At 7 knots cruising down Delaware Bay with the current and tide I > would rather be thrown clear of the boat, rather then left hanging on the > side with a 6 ft tether. Secondly, at that length there was no way to get > back to the boarding ladder which was tied off with a quick release knot on > the stern. One pull and it comes down. (tested and it worked at dock side of > course) I was lucky...the trip was wonderful on the engine, completely > smooth water and 0-5 knots wind. Cloudy but a glorious day from Cape May to > Cohansey RIver where the boat is not on the hard. > > /ch > > > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net>wrote: > >> >> >> hi phoned "bert" to see if his 36 was sold or is still 4sale .. will >> update soon.. ..It is very sad when the boat is found with people missing!! >> Small mistake(s) >> can start a disaster..both boats seem very sea worthy >> ... We are thinking harness & tethers for ocean sailing... and fair >> weather starts ...Edward >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> >> *To:* Cal boats List <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Tue, May 25, 2010 3:28:52 PM >> *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 sold in Ventura? Two tragic accidents >> during Sat's gale. (Jerry) >> >> >> >> Don't know about the 36. >> The Ranger 33 couple (husband and wife) went over board at Ocean Beach, >> S F. People from the Cliff House saw them in the water and called the CG. I >> suspect if the could be seen by folks on shore that they were pretty close >> in: >> The South BarThis bar runs from the south side of the ship channel and >> runs to ocean beach. On the charts there is an area marked called the “South >> Channel”. This area has claimed many boats and many lives due to the fact >> that there is no discernable channel here. Also, many boats run out to the >> east side of the channel then run south to avoid the traffic in the ship >> channel, and they end up crossing the south bar on its outside edge. This >> area is very dangerous since in contains “first generation breakers” that >> seem to pop out of no where since it the first spot the wave hits the bar. >> This is what happened to the former bass player from the band “Loverboy” >> a couple of years ago. They never did find his body or the steering wheel of >> his boat that he was hanging on to when the breaker hit. This is just one >> boat of many that has met its fate here. >> >> >> http://www.coastsid efishingclub. com/The-San- Francisco- Bar >> >> >> Very sad indeed. >> >> >> *Mike* >> ** >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> >> From: sobel_solar@ yahoo.com >> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:21:52 -0700 >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 36 sold in Ventura? Two tragic accidents during >> Sat's gale. >> >> >> >> Does anyone know if the Cal 36 that was advertised in Ventura was sold? >> Sure would be a nice boat, if only I could figure out how to own it and keep >> running a solar water heating business without having the current space I >> now have. >> >> Probably best to be happy in my current situation. Smaller boats ARE more >> fun. >> I also see two Cal 34s for sale, one for $8500 in Long Beach[?] area. >> >> Sigh. >> Jerry >> >> PS, Two boats, one here in Venice, one in Oceanside, lost their crews, >> washed overboard and drowned according to Lat. 38. One arrived on the beach >> here, without it's captain, who'd previously single handed in a Transpac >> race in 08. He was doing a Catalina race in our local Singlehanded Sailing >> club which meets at SMWYC, home of many ancillary clubs. >> >> The other was a couple off a Ranger 33, designed by one of Bill Lapworths >> diciples, Gary Mull and built in the same plant as Cals. Both boats were >> recovered, more or less. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >> inbox. Learn more.<http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1> >> > > > > -- > /ch > > > > -- /ch