Cal 29 doors

I received a message from Roger Jones' widow, and apparently she still has the doors from his Cal 29 "Swiss Navy" taking up space in her garage. If anyone has interest in these, please contact me soonest at ap… [at] verizon.net, and I can put you in touch with her to make shipping arrangements. (They are currently in Reno, NV.) Alfred Poor 1973 Tartan 34C #288 "Jambalaya"

On Jun 21, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Alfred Poor wrote: > > I received a message from Roger Jones’ widow, and apparently she > still has the doors from his Cal 29 “Swiss Navy” taking up space in > her garage. If anyone has interest in these, please contact me > soonest at ap… [at] verizon.net, and I can put you in touch with her to > make shipping arrangements. (They are currently in Reno, NV.) > I have a set of custom doors from my Cal 34 that I discovered while cleaning out an attic. They are mahogany and are used while at anchor or in the slip to close the companionway at night etc. I am moving and, if anyone wants them, contact me. Mike Kennedy MIssion Viejo, CA > > > Alfred Poor > > 1973 Tartan 34C #288 “Jambalaya” > > > > >

Mike, Any word as to what happened to his boat Swiss Navy? For some reason I had this impression it was full of blisters and Roger called it that because, by the time he ground them out, the hull looked like swiss cheese...or did I imagine that whole thing? And I recall he bought a Cal 30 to enjoy while he was still working on his Swiss Navy Project, to which he was adding a sugar scoop stern. Jerry Cal 24 Mk1 Shpritz. PS I also recall something about all Bill Lapworth's Cal blueprints being donated to Mystic Seaport...I wonder if that material is available/acessable to interested people. I would have ordered a set of prints for my boat if I had had any clue I'd still be owning her 10 years later. --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 6:09 PM On Jun 21, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Alfred Poor wrote: > > I received a message from Roger Jones’ widow, and apparently she > still has the doors from his Cal 29 “Swiss Navy” taking up space in > her garage. If anyone has interest in these, please contact me > soonest at ap… [at] verizon.net, and I can put you in touch with her to > make shipping arrangements. (They are currently in Reno, NV.) > I have a set of custom doors from my Cal 34 that I discovered while cleaning out an attic. They are mahogany and are used while at anchor or in the slip to close the companionway at night etc. I am moving and, if anyone wants them, contact me. Mike Kennedy MIssion Viejo, CA > > > Alfred Poor > > 1973 Tartan 34C #288 “Jambalaya” > > > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

I have a set of prints that came with the boat thanks to Roger via the PO. They are a complete set for the 29 with the 3-29 optional drawing. They are currently at the print shop being converted to pdf, two sets, full scale and standard letter size. They will be ready next week way overdue. Was wondering what the best way to get them on the home site, I mean the full size ones. I looked at the file section and its basically almost full as there is only 100 megs of space there. If the moderator or other could advise, would be very glad to make these available to all CAL 29 owners at no charge. As said, they will be ready next week for distribution. Best regards Chris H.

From earlier posts regarding copying these drawings, I have the impression that they are copyrighted. Putting them up on a website could be trouble. Harleigh From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:00:38 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) I have a set of prints that came with the boat thanks to Roger via the PO. They are a complete set for the 29 with the 3-29 optional drawing. They are currently at the print shop being converted to pdf, two sets, full scale and standard letter size. They will be ready next week way overdue. Was wondering what the best way to get them on the home site, I mean the full size ones. I looked at the file section and its basically almost full as there is only 100 megs of space there. If the moderator or other could advise, would be very glad to make these available to all CAL 29 owners at no charge. As said, they will be ready next week for distribution. Best regards Chris H.

They should say copyright or © if they are copyrighted. If you are unsure, you can post them and take them down if the copyright owner asserts his copyright. I believe that is how the law works. Allen On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:13 AM, <he… [at] comcast.net> wrote: > > > From earlier posts regarding copying these drawings, I have the impression > that they are copyrighted. Putting them up on a website could be trouble. > > Harleigh > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ------------------------------ > *From: * chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > *Sender: * Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Date: *Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:00:38 -0400 > *To: *<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *ReplyTo: * Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject: *Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) > > > > I have a set of prints that came with the boat thanks to Roger via the PO. > They are a complete set for the 29 with the 3-29 optional drawing. They are > currently at the print shop being converted to pdf, two sets, full scale and > standard letter size. They will be ready next week way overdue. Was > wondering what the best way to get them on the home site, I mean the full > size ones. I looked at the file section and its basically almost full as > there is only 100 megs of space there. > > If the moderator or other could advise, would be very glad to make these > available to all CAL 29 owners at no charge. > > As said, they will be ready next week for distribution. > > Best regards > > Chris H. > > > >

That would be for others to judge as there is no copy right notice that Im aware of on the documents. They were paid documents to the PO which I paid 100 bucks for the set. Unless there is a claim by the estate or other entity, the documents themselves carry no such notice. I was going to mark them with a copy left non commercial use watermark and then decided against it, as its not in the spirit of how they were made available to the PO by Roger. So if anyone has any additional info on copyright issues wrt to a paid set of drawings I would love to be informed prior to making them available. Best regards and thanks. /ch

Like I said, you can post them and take them down if the copyright owner complains. They have no claim on you unless you refuse to take them down. In this case, as you are not hosting where they are posted, you are clear no matter what. The copyright law is being fought in Youtube land. The law is as I stated but copyright holders (music industry) are going to court to change it saying Youtube wasn't doing enough to enforce copyrights. This has apparently gone away by allowing the copyright owner to opt in for a share of the ad revenue or a link to buy the song. I would think that adding a copy left notice would not be appropriate as you are not the author of the work, imho. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer so don't listen to me. Everything I said is wrong. Don't blame me if you get sued. Allen On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:20 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > That would be for others to judge as there is no copy right notice that Im > aware of on the documents. They were paid documents to the PO which I paid > 100 bucks for the set. Unless there is a claim by the estate or other > entity, the documents themselves carry no such notice. I was going to mark > them with a copy left non commercial use watermark and then decided against > it, as its not in the spirit of how they were made available to the PO by > Roger. > > So if anyone has any additional info on copyright issues wrt to a paid set > of drawings I would love to be informed prior to making them available. > > Best regards and thanks. > > /ch > > >

I know as an owner of a patent I can only stop someone from manufacturing my product in the USA and I can only go after any profits that resulted from sales maybe prosecution fees. However, It cost about $400-$475 per hour for an attorney to prosecute an infringement and I would certainly go broke first. Its not cost effective to go after...However, I am not an attorney so I have no advise here. Maybe if it is circulated within the cal 29 owners and not internet posted for joes cousins half brothers once removed sister...... It will be available to those who have a reason to want it without drawing attention to the free artwork. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) They should say copyright or © if they are copyrighted. If you are unsure, you can post them and take them down if the copyright owner asserts his copyright. I believe that is how the law works. Allen On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:13 AM, <he… [at] comcast.net> wrote: From earlier posts regarding copying these drawings, I have the impression that they are copyrighted. Putting them up on a website could be trouble. Harleigh Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:00:38 -0400 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ReplyTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) I have a set of prints that came with the boat thanks to Roger via the PO. They are a complete set for the 29 with the 3-29 optional drawing. They are currently at the print shop being converted to pdf, two sets, full scale and standard letter size. They will be ready next week way overdue. Was wondering what the best way to get them on the home site, I mean the full size ones. I looked at the file section and its basically almost full as there is only 100 megs of space there. If the moderator or other could advise, would be very glad to make these available to all CAL 29 owners at no charge. As said, they will be ready next week for distribution. Best regards Chris H. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5218 (20100622) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5218 (20100622) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I think the case is different here on two accounts. 1. These drawings were made available by Roger Jones to whoever asked for a copy at no cost. 2. The company he worked for does no longer exist. 3. Does this not enhance the work and legend of the author whom we all appreciate. 4. Would the estate of the author have an issue, I dont see any but IANAL...:) I would not want to disrespect the estate in any manner. That really is my only concern given who authored these documents originally. Best regards.....just questions. /ch

We paid a fee to Bill Lapworth for signed copies... I think $100 a set. Roger Jones, a former employee of Bill's went to Lapworth's home, went through Bill's "Archives, located drawings, put together set, made copies, had Bill sign and then mailed them off. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:17 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) I think the case is different here on two accounts. 1. These drawings were made available by Roger Jones to whoever asked for a copy at no cost. 2. The company he worked for does no longer exist. 3. Does this not enhance the work and legend of the author whom we all appreciate. 4. Would the estate of the author have an issue, I dont see any but IANAL...:) I would not want to disrespect the estate in any manner. That really is my only concern given who authored these documents originally. Best regards.....just questions. /ch

I could be wrong on the costing part as I got them from the PO and paid 100 for them. The PO got them from Roger at the time Roger was making them available to CAL-29 owners. Just emailed Alfred, so will see where this goes. Regards /ch

Allen: I used to run a linux based consultancy for several years. Copyright and patent related issues are somewhat familiar to me to a degree. IANAL whoever and always take the position, I know nothing....and then learn...:) The issue for me wrt the distribution of the drawings is one of respect. My initial reaction to some of the comments on line here has made me think. Yes I can do that from time to time..:) I just dont want to offend anyone associated with the production of these drawings as it would be disrespectful. Call me old fashioned. Rather the intend is to enhance the original work via its distribution to current owners of the product if we may call it that. So I think Im going to follow Tim's advice on this one for now. Email has been send to Alfred whom I think is in touch with Mrs L. Will see what comes back. Thanks for your comments. /ch

Tim, You are correct, I paid $100 for my set for 27-3. Jim From: <ti… [at] ch2m.com> Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:26:35 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) We paid a fee to Bill Lapworth for signed copies... I think $100 a set. Roger Jones, a former employee of Bill's went to Lapworth's home, went through Bill's "Archives, located drawings, put together set, made copies, had Bill sign and then mailed them off. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:17 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) I think the case is different here on two accounts. 1. These drawings were made available by Roger Jones to whoever asked for a copy at no cost. 2. The company he worked for does no longer exist. 3. Does this not enhance the work and legend of the author whom we all appreciate. 4. Would the estate of the author have an issue, I dont see any but IANAL...:) I would not want to disrespect the estate in any manner. That really is my only concern given who authored these documents originally. Best regards.....just questions. /ch

Ditto my 31. Harleigh From: ma… [at] yahoo.com Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:59:53 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) Tim, You are correct, I paid $100 for my set for 27-3. Jim From: <ti… [at] ch2m.com> Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:26:35 To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) We paid a fee to Bill Lapworth for signed copies... I think $100 a set. Roger Jones, a former employee of Bill's went to Lapworth's home, went through Bill's "Archives, located drawings, put together set, made copies, had Bill sign and then mailed them off. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:17 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) I think the case is different here on two accounts. 1. These drawings were made available by Roger Jones to whoever asked for a copy at no cost. 2. The company he worked for does no longer exist. 3. Does this not enhance the work and legend of the author whom we all appreciate. 4. Would the estate of the author have an issue, I dont see any but IANAL...:) I would not want to disrespect the estate in any manner. That really is my only concern given who authored these documents originally. Best regards.....just questions. /ch

The law changes from time to time and always better to follow your course. I know that under the old law, if you published something without the ©, you knew you were putting it in the public domain. I see that now that is not the case and everything is copyrighted even without the notice. I have no problem having the L-36 drawings on the web as it allows owners to repair their boats. It is highly unlikely anyone would build one now and, as they were built off a mold, I doubt that the drawings would be sufficient anyway. Plus, in this case it is not the drawings that are the product, it is the boat. Someone did copy an L-36 at one time. I understand it pissed off Bill, as it should. He had some derogatory name for that boat. Allen On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:02 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > Allen: > > I used to run a linux based consultancy for several years. Copyright and > patent related issues are somewhat familiar to me to a degree. IANAL whoever > and always take the position, I know nothing....and then learn...:) The > issue for me wrt the distribution of the drawings is one of respect. My > initial reaction to some of the comments on line here has made me think. Yes > I can do that from time to time..:) > > I just dont want to offend anyone associated with the production of these > drawings as it would be disrespectful. Call me old fashioned. Rather the > intend is to enhance the original work via its distribution to current > owners of the product if we may call it that. So I think Im going to follow > Tim's advice on this one for now. Email has been send to Alfred whom I think > is in touch with Mrs L. Will see what comes back. > > Thanks for your comments. > > /ch > > > >

Aye Capt. Demo, I remember sitting with St. Roger, at a picnic table at Howlands Holyland, at one of the last CCCCCCCCC, as he described the beauteous Cal24 Mk1 blueprints he'd come across. All I can do is kick myself in the butt now for not ordering a set then. Hindsite is 20/20, aint it? Gee, I bet someone as photos of it, since a certain famous artist hasn't gotten around to painting the scene yet. Again, can we lowly hard tack and salt pork eaters (hold the Nitrates and Nitrites and the Na, pleez).. get copies of said prints from Mystic Seaport, somehow? I thought I'd have moved up to Cal 40 like Fin Bevin's by now...but I think sailing my mini-40 is way more fun, anywho. Jerry, Shpritz --- On Tue, 6/22/10, ti… [at] ch2m.com <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: From: ti… [at] ch2m.com <ti… [at] ch2m.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 10:26 AM We paid a fee to Bill Lapworth for signed copies… I think $100 a set. Roger Jones, a former employee of Bill’s went to Lapworth’s home, went through Bill’s “Archives, located drawings, put together set, made copies, had Bill sign and then mailed them off. From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:17 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) I think the case is different here on two accounts. 1. These drawings were made available by Roger Jones to whoever asked for a copy at no cost. 2. The company he worked for does no longer exist. 3. Does this not enhance the work and legend of the author whom we all appreciate. 4. Would the estate of the author have an issue, I dont see any but IANAL...:) I would not want to disrespect the estate in any manner. That really is my only concern given who authored these documents originally. Best regards..... just questions. /ch

Yeah, Chris: You got them for exactly what I paid for them. I had no profit motive. The drawings that have been signed by Bill Lapworth are a wonderful piece of history and deserve to stay with Bay Breeze. I made copies for two other list members at cost and asked that they make a donation to a sailing charity. It was the least that we could do for the memory of Roger and all that he did for this list. Les Hester Formerly Bay Breeze 3-29 #1005 Now Sable T34c #198 Swan Creek, Md From: chris123 To: Cal Boats Sent: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) I could be wrong on the costing part as I got them from the PO and paid 100 for them. The PO got them from Roger at the time Roger was making them available to CAL-29 owners. Just emailed Alfred, so will see where this goes. Regards /ch

I like that idea Les, of a donation to a sailing charity, either in time or monetary value in exchange for a set. If I got the story wrong on what they cost, pls accept my apologies. Working on the website at present as there are too many stories to remember them all accurately from the past year. Need to record it all before it fades. Best of luck on Sable. One set will stay with BayBreeze. /ch

As I recall, it was Roger who was adamant that no copies should be made of the prints that had been signed and distributed by Bill L. I don't know if it is possible to search the list for past posts on this subject. Harleigh From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:17 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) I think the case is different here on two accounts. 1. These drawings were made available by Roger Jones to whoever asked for a copy at no cost. 2. The company he worked for does no longer exist. 3. Does this not enhance the work and legend of the author whom we all appreciate. 4. Would the estate of the author have an issue, I dont see any but IANAL...:) I would not want to disrespect the estate in any manner. That really is my only concern given who authored these documents originally. Best regards.....just questions. /ch __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5219 (20100622) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

This is what is in my memory banks on the subject of plans. As Roger was in contact with Bill Lapworth in his later years, realized he still had the plans in his home work studio. Roger Volunteered his time to sort through the plans, make copies and sell them to the current cal-list members that were interested. For Bill's time, a nominal $ 100 fee would be charged, and paid to Bill Lapworth. The original order it was understood that the plans would remain the intellectual property of Bill Lapworth, and not copied or sold. Roger and Bill were overwhelmed by orders! Roger was able to make a initial mailing, but filling the order stretched over several years. In Bill's passing there were several orders that did not get filled, some checks were returned, and a few may have been cashed without the orders filled. Roger and Peggy made a valiant effort to provide the plans. When Roger became ill, and could not fulfill the commitments on the plans, he changed his thinking on the coping and selling aspect of the original signed copies. Maybe this was due to Bill's death or a conversation with Peggy, but he no longer pressed the "intellectual property" aspect of the copied plans. I do not recall any hard feelings on lost orders or money, only disappointment that this service was no longer available. Timm posted the link to Rogers favorite charity, the Sierra Nevada Community Sailing club. Copying, posting or sharing the plans should not be an issue at this date. Ymmv John From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:58 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) As I recall, it was Roger who was adamant that no copies should be made of the prints that had been signed and distributed by Bill L. I don't know if it is possible to search the list for past posts on this subject. Harleigh From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:17 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) I think the case is different here on two accounts. 1. These drawings were made available by Roger Jones to whoever asked for a copy at no cost. 2. The company he worked for does no longer exist. 3. Does this not enhance the work and legend of the author whom we all appreciate. 4. Would the estate of the author have an issue, I dont see any but IANAL...:) I would not want to disrespect the estate in any manner. That really is my only concern given who authored these documents originally. Best regards.....just questions. /ch __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5219 (20100622) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I believe your memory banks are accurate. Wilkie On Jun 23, 2010, at 4:16 AM, john raxter wrote: > > This is what is in my memory banks on the subject of plans. > > > > As Roger was in contact with Bill Lapworth in his later years, > realized he still had the plans in his home work studio. Roger > Volunteered his time to sort through the plans, make copies and sell > them to the current cal-list members that were interested. For > Bill’s time, a nominal $ 100 fee would be charged, and paid to Bill > Lapworth. The original order it was understood that the plans would > remain the intellectual property of Bill Lapworth, and not copied or > sold. > > > > Roger and Bill were overwhelmed by orders! Roger was able to make a > initial mailing, but filling the order stretched over several > years. In Bill’s passing there were several orders that did not get > filled, some checks were returned, and a few may have been cashed > without the orders filled. Roger and Peggy made a valiant effort > to provide the plans. > > > > When Roger became ill, and could not fulfill the commitments on the > plans, he changed his thinking on the coping and selling aspect of > the original signed copies. Maybe this was due to Bill’s death or a > conversation with Peggy, but he no longer pressed the “intellectual > property” aspect of the copied plans. I do not recall any hard > feelings on lost orders or money, only disappointment that this > service was no longer available. > > > > Timm posted the link to Rogers favorite charity, the Sierra Nevada > Community Sailing club. > > > > Copying, posting or sharing the plans should not be an issue at this > date. > > > > Ymmv > > > > John > > > > > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:58 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) > > > > > > As I recall, it was Roger who was adamant that no copies should be > made of the prints that had been signed and distributed by Bill L. > I don’t know if it is possible to search the list for past posts on > this subject. > > > > Harleigh > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of chris123 > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:17 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) > > > > > > I think the case is different here on two accounts. > > 1. These drawings were made available by Roger Jones to whoever > asked for a copy at no cost. > > 2. The company he worked for does no longer exist. > > 3. Does this not enhance the work and legend of the author whom we > all appreciate. > > 4. Would the estate of the author have an issue, I dont see any but > IANAL...:) I would not want to disrespect the estate in any manner. > That really is my only concern given who authored these documents > originally. > > Best regards.....just questions. > > /ch > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5219 (20100622) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > >

John, You are right on that. I was one of the ones who never got a set, didn't get a refund, but would still love to get a set. I think Roger would have approved. Regards, David Dobbs Cal29 411 --- On Wed, 6/23/10, john raxter <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> wrote: From: john raxter <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:16 AM This is what is in my memory banks on the subject of plans. As Roger was in contact with Bill Lapworth in his later years, realized he still had the plans in his home work studio. Roger Volunteered his time to sort through the plans, make copies and sell them to the current cal-list members that were interested. For Bill’s time, a nominal $ 100 fee would be charged, and paid to Bill Lapworth. The original order it was understood that the plans would remain the intellectual property of Bill Lapworth, and not copied or sold. Roger and Bill were overwhelmed by orders! Roger was able to make a initial mailing, but filling the order stretched over several years. In Bill’s passing there were several orders that did not get filled, some checks were returned, and a few may have been cashed without the orders filled. Roger and Peggy made a valiant effort to provide the plans. When Roger became ill, and could not fulfill the commitments on the plans, he changed his thinking on the coping and selling aspect of the original signed copies. Maybe this was due to Bill’s death or a conversation with Peggy, but he no longer pressed the “intellectual property” aspect of the copied plans. I do not recall any hard feelings on lost orders or money, only disappointment that this service was no longer available. Timm posted the link to Rogers favorite charity, the Sierra Nevada Community Sailing club. Copying, posting or sharing the plans should not be an issue at this date. Ymmv John From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:58 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) As I recall, it was Roger who was adamant that no copies should be made of the prints that had been signed and distributed by Bill L. I don’t know if it is possible to search the list for past posts on this subject. Harleigh From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:17 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 doors(Mike) I think the case is different here on two accounts. 1. These drawings were made available by Roger Jones to whoever asked for a copy at no cost. 2. The company he worked for does no longer exist. 3. Does this not enhance the work and legend of the author whom we all appreciate. 4. Would the estate of the author have an issue, I dont see any but IANAL...:) I would not want to disrespect the estate in any manner. That really is my only concern given who authored these documents originally. Best regards..... just questions. /ch __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5219 (20100622) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com