galvanic isolators

galvanic isolators

2 messages2010-06-26 12:15 UTCthrough 2010-06-26 13:01 UTC

galvanic isolators

chris1232010-06-26 12:15 UTC
Greets: Had a long discussion with ProMariner yesterday sorting out some issues with the AC electrical system. I'm posting the following information simply to document the conversation, the issues and the resolution. The issue that I encountered over the winter was that my GI died, combined with the starboard and port circuits going off line. Now the configuration is as follows: Starboard, 3 CGFI receptacles, port, 1 CGFI receptacle. All dead. Putting a meter on them showed power and ground reversed, not good. Over the winter I installed 2 ProMariner GI's and both burned out within a day or two. Same reads on the meter. Continuity checks showed no issues. Drove me nuts. So pulled the GI off line, disconnected the starboard circuit, ground hot and neutral and ran the remainder of the winter on one receptacle on port side. Standard receptacle no CGFI. All worked fine. In the spring I can back to the boat after a short spell at home, thought I passed a kidney stone which turned out to be a bladder infection. Good thing, I would not want to pass a stone the States...med costs are seriously expensive. I was good to go again. Came back to the boat which now had a chance to dry out as humidity was the biggest issue to content with during the winter and immediately went to work on the AC system. Before I left I disconnected all AC circuits and wires all nicely labelled. To get a base line I brought up one circuit and one receptacle at a time, I was gonna lick this problem once and for all. To my surprise everything came up as it should. Scratched my head and left it alone and made some coffee. The difference this time was that I used the percolator as never tested it that the former PO left me and raved about. Les was right it made dam good coffee the only thing i noticed is that it kicked out quite a bit of steam. Shortly after the coffee was done peculating I left the unit plugged in to see if it had an auto off. Before I could find out, I heard that dreaded click of the CGFI's going off line. All circuits down again and the tester showed the same symptoms, ground and power reversed. Not good. Finished my coffee and spend the remainder of the morning trying to find the short. Turns out there is a run of wire under the rear bulkhead on the floor pan that runs the starboard wires to port where the electrical panel is located. These wires are rather tight and the entry and exit holes are rather sharp, particularly the exit hole. OK this is where the short is occurring. The wires have chaffed just enough that when its wet, the ground and hot will interfere with each other. Wow...that only took six months to find. As an aside talked to Walter at Ace Hardware in town and kept him informed as three other boaters were experiencing the same issues. Everyone was scratching their heads trying to find intermittent wire breaks that were not showing up on continuity testing. So went back to the old standby, of removing all wires from the starboard circuit leaving only the port receptacle. (there is one more issue to address and that is to find where the starboard circuit is bleeding into the port circuit but that will be address when I rewire the AC system completely) Also talked to Les a lot about this issue, he was so helpful, but the AC side of the boat was addressed by the previous PO, so we were both scratching our heads an non of this made any sense at all. So the point of the story is this. Called ProMariner yesterday (starting to plan out all needed issues for when I return) as I did not want to install another GI that did not have some form of protection against power reversal or current overage. They make battery chargers like this why not GI's as these things arnt cheap. Turns out they do. There monitored GI is the only product they sell that actually has protective circuitry against power issues and as ABYC no longer requires a monitored GI system, they are stuck with inventory I guess. So in conversation westmarine model no. 8648958 was made available for 200. This is the Promariner ProSafe1 Single AC Line System (Single 30A shore cord) Monitored ProSafe 1 Galvanic Isolator & AC Ground Wire System that West sells for 400. The design circuitry is such that if there is a power overage or reversal of power the units fan starts to spin and whine like crazy till you take the system off line. Their battery chargers are already protected against this. My only question is why are not all units designed like this as it could have saved me a 3 stage 3 bank battery charger which really was very good despite its age and a relatively new battery. Having worked with computer hardware the costs are incremental and you would think that a short in the AC wiring system is a rather common fault. The lesson here was that not all GI units are protected against shorted wiring systems but there is a product available that can protect you from needless downtime. Best regards /ch

Re: galvanic isolators

chris1232010-06-26 13:01 UTC
Forgot to add one more design requirement. Any piece of electrical or electronic equipment that has threaded adapters should have a rubber O ring on it to prevent condensate or water from migrating through the threads via capillary action. I have yet to see a piece of marine equipment that is so protected against moisture. Its a 5 cent item. Guess suppliers feel that if you need them install them yourself. Just my 5 cents CDN..:) Best regards /ch