Code 0 and free flying jibs.

I fly a non-hanked jib that can probably best be described as kind of like flying a code-0 spinnaker. I have considerable trouble either tacking or gybing it. At a dinner conversation at the Wooden Boat Show, which I was in for the first time, a fellow suggested I could just gybe it inside like a regular sail and let the halyard cross the forestay without hurting anything. We tried it in the last race and wrapped the sucker in an hourglass shape 5 times around the forestay. The complication was that we were trying to gybe it onto a long whisker pole to go wing and wing. Subsequently we were able to gybe it without the pole. So, I guess I learned it works without a pole but that leaves the problem of how to gybe it over to a pole. Previously we would gybe it in front of the forestay onto the pole and that works but with great difficulty. You have to pull it along the foot starting at the tack and it is really hard to do. We still won the race on time but we really are trying to be first to finish so fell short of our goal (greedy?). We were beat by a C&C-41 and a T-10. The T-10 flew a real spinnaker so he would be pretty hard to beat on this down and back course but we think it is possible. Does anyone on the list have a suggestion on how to gybe this kind of sail onto a pole? I am going to go experiment later today. Allen

Allen, I don't know if this really applies----BUT. I sail a cal20 with a 4' 4'' sprit. I set a nearly 400 foot a chute. I centerline the boon in less than 15k apparent to keep the chute full until I can complete the the jibe . My Best, Mike From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 7:27:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Code 0 and free flying jibs. I fly a non-hanked jib that can probably best be described as kind of like flying a code-0 spinnaker. I have considerable trouble either tacking or gybing it. At a dinner conversation at the Wooden Boat Show, which I was in for the first time, a fellow suggested I could just gybe it inside like a regular sail and let the halyard cross the forestay without hurting anything. We tried it in the last race and wrapped the sucker in an hourglass shape 5 times around the forestay. The complication was that we were trying to gybe it onto a long whisker pole to go wing and wing. Subsequently we were able to gybe it without the pole. So, I guess I learned it works without a pole but that leaves the problem of how to gybe it over to a pole. Previously we would gybe it in front of the forestay onto the pole and that works but with great difficulty. You have to pull it along the foot starting at the tack and it is really hard to do. We still won the race on time but we really are trying to be first to finish so fell short of our goal (greedy?). We were beat by a C&C-41 and a T-10. The T-10 flew a real spinnaker so he would be pretty hard to beat on this down and back course but we think it is possible. Does anyone on the list have a suggestion on how to gybe this kind of sail onto a pole? I am going to go experiment later today. Allen

We went out yesterday to try some things. I wanted to compare speed with various techniques. Unfortunately, the wind was so variable, changing direction 90 degrees and speed, that we couldn't compare anything. But, I did notice that it was important when not using the pole and going down wind to keep the main out of the way of the jib. I really could not tell if it would work as the change in direction of the wind kept collapsing the jib. Thanks for the comment. I will definitely keep that in my bag of tricks. Allen On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:25 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Allen, I don't know if this really applies----BUT. I sail a cal20 > with a 4' 4'' sprit. I set a nearly 400 foot a chute. I centerline the > boon in less than 15k apparent to keep the chute full until I can complete > the the jibe > . > My Best, Mike > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Fri, July 9, 2010 7:27:25 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Code 0 and free flying jibs. > > > > I fly a non-hanked jib that can probably best be described as kind of like > flying a code-0 spinnaker. I have considerable trouble either tacking or > gybing it. At a dinner conversation at the Wooden Boat Show, which I was in > for the first time, a fellow suggested I could just gybe it inside like a > regular sail and let the halyard cross the forestay without hurting > anything. We tried it in the last race and wrapped the sucker in an > hourglass shape 5 times around the forestay. The complication was that we > were trying to gybe it onto a long whisker pole to go wing and wing. > Subsequently we were able to gybe it without the pole. So, I guess I > learned it works without a pole but that leaves the problem of how to gybe > it over to a pole. Previously we would gybe it in front of the forestay onto > the pole and that works but with great difficulty. You have to pull it > along the foot starting at the tack and it is really hard to do. > > We still won the race on time but we really are trying to be first to > finish so fell short of our goal (greedy?). We were beat by a C&C-41 and a > T-10. The T-10 flew a real spinnaker so he would be pretty hard to beat on > this down and back course but we think it is possible. > > Does anyone on the list have a suggestion on how to gybe this kind of sail > onto a pole? I am going to go experiment later today. > > Allen > > > >

Have you considered on of those deck-mounted asymmetrical poles that set back locked on deck and then you set it forward and lock in to deploy and it has a line that goes down to an eye on the bow near the waterline to keep it down and secure? Then it all stays outside the forestay. Saw this on a Catalina 30 that wins races all the time. We may try this on our 29. Helen From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 7:27:25 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Code 0 and free flying jibs. I fly a non-hanked jib that can probably best be described as kind of like flying a code-0 spinnaker. I have considerable trouble either tacking or gybing it. At a dinner conversation at the Wooden Boat Show, which I was in for the first time, a fellow suggested I could just gybe it inside like a regular sail and let the halyard cross the forestay without hurting anything. We tried it in the last race and wrapped the sucker in an hourglass shape 5 times around the forestay. The complication was that we were trying to gybe it onto a long whisker pole to go wing and wing. Subsequently we were able to gybe it without the pole. So, I guess I learned it works without a pole but that leaves the problem of how to gybe it over to a pole. Previously we would gybe it in front of the forestay onto the pole and that works but with great difficulty. You have to pull it along the foot starting at the tack and it is really hard to do. We still won the race on time but we really are trying to be first to finish so fell short of our goal (greedy?). We were beat by a C&C-41 and a T-10. The T-10 flew a real spinnaker so he would be pretty hard to beat on this down and back course but we think it is possible. Does anyone on the list have a suggestion on how to gybe this kind of sail onto a pole? I am going to go experiment later today. Allen

Well, I race one design and am thinking that this would not be within the spirit of a one design rule, even though we don't have rules written down. Anyone know if something like this would change ones handicap? Allen On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net>wrote: > > > Have you considered on of those deck-mounted asymmetrical poles that set > back locked on deck and then you set it forward and lock in to deploy and it > has a line that goes down to an eye on the bow near the waterline to keep it > down and secure? Then it all stays outside the forestay. Saw this on a > Catalina 30 that wins races all the time. We may try this on our 29. Helen > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Fri, July 9, 2010 7:27:25 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Code 0 and free flying jibs. > > > > I fly a non-hanked jib that can probably best be described as kind of like > flying a code-0 spinnaker. I have considerable trouble either tacking or > gybing it. At a dinner conversation at the Wooden Boat Show, which I was in > for the first time, a fellow suggested I could just gybe it inside like a > regular sail and let the halyard cross the forestay without hurting > anything. We tried it in the last race and wrapped the sucker in an > hourglass shape 5 times around the forestay. The complication was that we > were trying to gybe it onto a long whisker pole to go wing and wing. > Subsequently we were able to gybe it without the pole. So, I guess I > learned it works without a pole but that leaves the problem of how to gybe > it over to a pole. Previously we would gybe it in front of the forestay onto > the pole and that works but with great difficulty. You have to pull it > along the foot starting at the tack and it is really hard to do. > > We still won the race on time but we really are trying to be first to > finish so fell short of our goal (greedy?). We were beat by a C&C-41 and a > T-10. The T-10 flew a real spinnaker so he would be pretty hard to beat on > this down and back course but we think it is possible. > > Does anyone on the list have a suggestion on how to gybe this kind of sail > onto a pole? I am going to go experiment later today. > > Allen > > >