Removing pluming hose from hose barb

So I am having one hell of a time removing the hoses from my Y valve, which I am trying to replace. You know the drill: small enclosed space and limited ability to get a really good grip on things and pull. I want to reuse the hose. Can I heat it? Will this make removal easier? Any other advice? Thanks in advance, Terry Spencer Cal 2-29 Capriccio Tacoma

I use the good sanitation hose; which is very stiff and difficult to bend and get on fittings. SEALAND OdorSafe Plus Sanitation Hose [cid:image001.jpg@01CB21B0.38558300]<http://content.westmarine.com/images/catalog/large/1874882.jpg> To put on or take off (or bend) requires heating via hot water or heat gun (at the dock) or a flame torch if this is required at sea to remove a blocked elbow. If incredibly stubborn, the water pump pliers may be able to break the fitting to hose connection and "squirt " the hose off the fitting [cid:image002.jpg@01CB21B0.38558300]<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000LQLHG4/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=228013&s=hi> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sailor98406 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:41 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb So I am having one hell of a time removing the hoses from my Y valve, which I am trying to replace. You know the drill: small enclosed space and limited ability to get a really good grip on things and pull. I want to reuse the hose. Can I heat it? Will this make removal easier? Any other advice? Thanks in advance, Terry Spencer Cal 2-29 Capriccio Tacoma

Thanks. I have the same hose. I will take my heat gun down to the boat and maybe try to arm myself with a set of those serious looking pliers. If that does not work, I may have to hire a midget weight lifter. I also was looking at Wilkie's simplified holding tank and am envious. If this repair does not work, that is my next project. Thanks again, Terry On Jul 12, 2010, at 10:51 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > > I use the good sanitation hose; which is very stiff and difficult to bend and get on fittings. > > > > SEALAND > > OdorSafe Plus Sanitation Hose > > > > <image001.jpg> > > > > To put on or take off (or bend) requires heating via hot water or heat gun (at the dock) or a flame torch if this is required at sea to remove a blocked elbow. > > If incredibly stubborn, the water pump pliers may be able to break the fitting to hose connection and “squirt “ the hose off the fitting > > > > <image002.jpg> > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sailor98406 > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:41 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb > > > > > > So I am having one hell of a time removing the hoses from my Y valve, which I am trying to replace. You know the drill: small enclosed space and limited ability to get a really good grip on things and pull. > > I want to reuse the hose. Can I heat it? Will this make removal easier? Any other advice? > > Thanks in advance, > > Terry Spencer > Cal 2-29 > Capriccio > Tacoma > > > >

The pliers are similar to channel locks, but have curved jaws to work better with hoses. I typically try hot water (2qt tea kettle) first on a "take apart" I tend to use the heat gun on "putting together" or if the water doesn't quite do the job. Lastly flame; as this can very easily damage the hose.. and catch the boat on fire. I also sometimes sand down the barbs so they are not so sharp. If you heat the hose before tightening the hose clamps, the hose will be soft and make a good connection; with smoother barbs, easer to take apart in the future. dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Spencer Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:10 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb Thanks. I have the same hose. I will take my heat gun down to the boat and maybe try to arm myself with a set of those serious looking pliers. If that does not work, I may have to hire a midget weight lifter. I also was looking at Wilkie's simplified holding tank and am envious. If this repair does not work, that is my next project. Thanks again, Terry On Jul 12, 2010, at 10:51 AM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: I use the good sanitation hose; which is very stiff and difficult to bend and get on fittings. SEALAND OdorSafe Plus Sanitation Hose <image001.jpg><http://content.westmarine.com/images/catalog/large/1874882.jpg> To put on or take off (or bend) requires heating via hot water or heat gun (at the dock) or a flame torch if this is required at sea to remove a blocked elbow. If incredibly stubborn, the water pump pliers may be able to break the fitting to hose connection and "squirt " the hose off the fitting <image002.jpg><http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000LQLHG4/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=228013&s=hi> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<http://ps.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sailor98406 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:41 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<http://ps.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb So I am having one hell of a time removing the hoses from my Y valve, which I am trying to replace. You know the drill: small enclosed space and limited ability to get a really good grip on things and pull. I want to reuse the hose. Can I heat it? Will this make removal easier? Any other advice? Thanks in advance, Terry Spencer Cal 2-29 Capriccio Tacoma

Last time, I unbolted the head, and turned it to an angle that was easier for hose connection. Then I had to torque the head (hoses connected) back around to its proper position. I guess "pain in the butt" is an apt description. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:52 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb I use the good sanitation hose; which is very stiff and difficult to bend and get on fittings. SEALAND OdorSafe Plus Sanitation Hose [cid:968332718@12072010-1819]<http://content.westmarine.com/images/catalog/large/1874882.jpg> To put on or take off (or bend) requires heating via hot water or heat gun (at the dock) or a flame torch if this is required at sea to remove a blocked elbow. If incredibly stubborn, the water pump pliers may be able to break the fitting to hose connection and "squirt " the hose off the fitting [cid:968332718@12072010-1820]<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000LQLHG4/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=228013&s=hi> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sailor98406 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:41 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb So I am having one hell of a time removing the hoses from my Y valve, which I am trying to replace. You know the drill: small enclosed space and limited ability to get a really good grip on things and pull. I want to reuse the hose. Can I heat it? Will this make removal easier? Any other advice? Thanks in advance, Terry Spencer Cal 2-29 Capriccio Tacoma

I always do it this way: Grab the hose and twist it back and forth while pulling on it with all your strength all the while swearing a blue streak that would make a sailor blush. Then take a knife and cut the sucker off. Works for me. Allen On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:40 AM, sailor98406 <ts… [at] harbornet.com>wrote: > > > So I am having one hell of a time removing the hoses from my Y valve, which > I am trying to replace. You know the drill: small enclosed space and limited > ability to get a really good grip on things and pull. > > I want to reuse the hose. Can I heat it? Will this make removal easier? Any > other advice? > > Thanks in advance, > > Terry Spencer > Cal 2-29 > Capriccio > Tacoma > > >

Allen Edwards wrote: > > > I always do it this way: Grab the hose and twist it back and forth > while pulling on it with all your strength all the while swearing a > blue streak that would make a sailor blush. Then take a knife and cut > the sucker off. > > I'm with Allen on this one. Just be aware that sometimes your superhuman strength has a more direct effect on the thing the hose is attached to than on the hose itself.. Be prepared for broken stuff. Cutting avoids that form of disaster. Chris Campbell

Just to clarify, sometimes you can cut 1/2 of what is on the barb, cutting parallel to the direction of the hose and that will relieve enough of the grip to get the rest off while hopefully leaving enough hose to allow you to put it back on once you make the cut perpendicular to the hose direction to remove the bit you cut. Allen On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Chris Campbell < cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > > > Allen Edwards wrote: > > > > I always do it this way: Grab the hose and twist it back and forth while > pulling on it with all your strength all the while swearing a blue streak > that would make a sailor blush. Then take a knife and cut the sucker off. > > > I'm with Allen on this one. Just be aware that sometimes your superhuman > strength has a more direct effect on the thing the hose is attached to than > on the hose itself.. Be prepared for broken stuff. Cutting avoids that > form of disaster. > > Chris Campbell > > >

Or, heat it with a heat-gun or hair dryer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards<mailto:al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb Just to clarify, sometimes you can cut 1/2 of what is on the barb, cutting parallel to the direction of the hose and that will relieve enough of the grip to get the rest off while hopefully leaving enough hose to allow you to put it back on once you make the cut perpendicular to the hose direction to remove the bit you cut. Allen On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com<mailto:cl… [at] charterinternet.com>> wrote: Allen Edwards wrote: I always do it this way: Grab the hose and twist it back and forth while pulling on it with all your strength all the while swearing a blue streak that would make a sailor blush. Then take a knife and cut the sucker off. I'm with Allen on this one. Just be aware that sometimes your superhuman strength has a more direct effect on the thing the hose is attached to than on the hose itself.. Be prepared for broken stuff. Cutting avoids that form of disaster. Chris Campbell

I like this. I did already try the swearing a blue streak method. While it made me feel better, the @#$%$#^^$% hose was still attached. I am about to take my heat gun down to the boat, along with a hefty set of locking pliers I purchased at Harbor Freight Tools. I will take a knife along as a last resort. I always try to keep my sense of humor available as a tool of last resort as well and, of course, the ice box full of microbrews will help as well. Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Terry On Jul 12, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Fin Beven wrote: > Or, heat it with a heat-gun or hair dryer. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Allen Edwards > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb > > Just to clarify, sometimes you can cut 1/2 of what is on the barb, cutting parallel to the direction of the hose and that will relieve enough of the grip to get the rest off while hopefully leaving enough hose to allow you to put it back on once you make the cut perpendicular to the hose direction to remove the bit you cut. > > Allen > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > > > Allen Edwards wrote: >> >> >> I always do it this way: Grab the hose and twist it back and forth while pulling on it with all your strength all the while swearing a blue streak that would make a sailor blush. Then take a knife and cut the sucker off. >> >> > > I'm with Allen on this one. Just be aware that sometimes your superhuman strength has a more direct effect on the thing the hose is attached to than on the hose itself.. Be prepared for broken stuff. Cutting avoids that form of disaster. > > Chris Campbell > > > > >

If heating, be careful. I backed off the hose clamps on down the pipe, and accidentally heated a clamp while softening hose, then proceeded to burn the c**p out of my finger on the hot clamp. By the by, double hose clamp requirement below the waterline, or so I've been told. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Spencer Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 5:35 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb I like this. I did already try the swearing a blue streak method. While it made me feel better, the @#$%$#^^$% hose was still attached. I am about to take my heat gun down to the boat, along with a hefty set of locking pliers I purchased at Harbor Freight Tools. I will take a knife along as a last resort. I always try to keep my sense of humor available as a tool of last resort as well and, of course, the ice box full of microbrews will help as well. Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Terry On Jul 12, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Fin Beven wrote: Or, heat it with a heat-gun or hair dryer. From: Allen Edwards<mailto:al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb Just to clarify, sometimes you can cut 1/2 of what is on the barb, cutting parallel to the direction of the hose and that will relieve enough of the grip to get the rest off while hopefully leaving enough hose to allow you to put it back on once you make the cut perpendicular to the hose direction to remove the bit you cut. Allen On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com<mailto:cl… [at] charterinternet.com>> wrote: Allen Edwards wrote: I always do it this way: Grab the hose and twist it back and forth while pulling on it with all your strength all the while swearing a blue streak that would make a sailor blush. Then take a knife and cut the sucker off. I'm with Allen on this one. Just be aware that sometimes your superhuman strength has a more direct effect on the thing the hose is attached to than on the hose itself.. Be prepared for broken stuff. Cutting avoids that form of disaster. Chris Campbell

Terry, I'm with Fin. If you have a hair blow dryer that gets hot try that first before a heat gun. Heat guns get really hot, maybe hotter than you want.( I know, I have an old house and am very familiar with heat guns!) Be careful with them. Regards, David Dobbs, Cal 29 411 --- On Mon, 7/12/10, sailor98406 <ts… [at] harbornet.com> wrote: From: sailor98406 <ts… [at] harbornet.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 12:40 PM So I am having one hell of a time removing the hoses from my Y valve, which I am trying to replace. You know the drill: small enclosed space and limited ability to get a really good grip on things and pull. I want to reuse the hose. Can I heat it? Will this make removal easier? Any other advice? Thanks in advance, Terry Spencer Cal 2-29 Capriccio Tacoma

If you use a heat gun, Put some foil on the backside of the hose to “wrap the heat”.. not touching the hose, a collector for the hose / diverter from other objects. Some can roast marshmallows to a golden brown. If you are the type that always catches marshmallows on fire… there could be a problem. In that case wrap the hose in the foil, then blast the foil… I think that if you can feather a sailboat upwind, then you can apply heat in a safe manner, go slow and monitor progress. You can vary the distance to your work, some heat guns ( like mine) have an adjustable mixing vent and power switch to control heat. Bottom line, when the hose material gets to about 110-130 degrees, it becomes supple. --- On Mon, 7/12/10, sailor98406 <ts… [at] harbornet.com> wrote: From: sailor98406 <ts… [at] harbornet.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 12:40 PM So I am having one hell of a time removing the hoses from my Y valve, which I am trying to replace. You know the drill: small enclosed space and limited ability to get a really good grip on things and pull. I want to reuse the hose. Can I heat it? Will this make removal easier? Any other advice? Thanks in advance, Terry Spencer Cal 2-29 Capriccio Tacoma

Rubber chemically welds its self to copper pipe, I know, because I work with this stuff/this situation with copper solar panels attached with heater hose sections all the time, and sometimes the only way to get the hose off is to cut longitudinal slits in the hose and peel off the sections. Jerry --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Terry Spencer <ts… [at] harbornet.com> wrote: From: Terry Spencer <ts… [at] harbornet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 2:34 PM I like this. I did already try the swearing a blue streak method. While it made me feel better, the @#$%$#^^$% hose was still attached. I am about to take my heat gun down to the boat, along with a hefty set of locking pliers I purchased at Harbor Freight Tools. I will take a knife along as a last resort. I always try to keep my sense of humor available as a tool of last resort as well and, of course, the ice box full of microbrews will help as well. Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Terry On Jul 12, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Fin Beven wrote: Or, heat it with a heat-gun or hair dryer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb Just to clarify, sometimes you can cut 1/2 of what is on the barb, cutting parallel to the direction of the hose and that will relieve enough of the grip to get the rest off while hopefully leaving enough hose to allow you to put it back on once you make the cut perpendicular to the hose direction to remove the bit you cut. Allen On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@charteri nternet.com> wrote: Allen Edwards wrote: I always do it this way: Grab the hose and twist it back and forth while pulling on it with all your strength all the while swearing a blue streak that would make a sailor blush. Then take a knife and cut the sucker off. I'm with Allen on this one. Just be aware that sometimes your superhuman strength has a more direct effect on the thing the hose is attached to than on the hose itself.. Be prepared for broken stuff. Cutting avoids that form of disaster. Chris Campbell

Jerry, Maybe you do not have enough microbrews in your icebox? dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 3:11 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb Rubber chemically welds its self to copper pipe, I know, because I work with this stuff/this situation with copper solar panels attached with heater hose sections all the time, and sometimes the only way to get the hose off is to cut longitudinal slits in the hose and peel off the sections. Jerry --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Terry Spencer <ts… [at] harbornet.com> wrote: From: Terry Spencer <ts… [at] harbornet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 2:34 PM I like this. I did already try the swearing a blue streak method. While it made me feel better, the @#$%$#^^$% hose was still attached. I am about to take my heat gun down to the boat, along with a hefty set of locking pliers I purchased at Harbor Freight Tools. I will take a knife along as a last resort. I always try to keep my sense of humor available as a tool of last resort as well and, of course, the ice box full of microbrews will help as well. Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Terry On Jul 12, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Fin Beven wrote: Or, heat it with a heat-gun or hair dryer. From: Allen Edwards</mc/compose?to=al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com</mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Removing pluming hose from hose barb Just to clarify, sometimes you can cut 1/2 of what is on the barb, cutting parallel to the direction of the hose and that will relieve enough of the grip to get the rest off while hopefully leaving enough hose to allow you to put it back on once you make the cut perpendicular to the hose direction to remove the bit you cut. Allen On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@charteri nternet.com</mc/compose?to=cl… [at] charterinternet.com>> wrote: Allen Edwards wrote: I always do it this way: Grab the hose and twist it back and forth while pulling on it with all your strength all the while swearing a blue streak that would make a sailor blush. Then take a knife and cut the sucker off. I'm with Allen on this one. Just be aware that sometimes your superhuman strength has a more direct effect on the thing the hose is attached to than on the hose itself.. Be prepared for broken stuff. Cutting avoids that form of disaster. Chris Campbell