Roller Furling Issue Cal 2-29

I am having an issue with my halyard getting wrapped around the foil at the top when I try to roll in. I am thinking that the 8" or so of halyard at the top is too much and that I need to get the top roller up a little higher to about an inch or two so the line will be too short to coil around..... I bought the boat a few years ago with a pro furl. It has a donut at the top that is suposed to keep this from happening but the thing rotated around and started chaffing the halyard. The riggers said to remove it because they cause more problems than they solve so I did. Now the halyard coils at the top. I shorted the tang on the top hoist section and added a small offset bracket to bring the tang/line out from the foil an additional inch. Q) with a furler to the sails have to have a full hoist to keep the halyard from coiling around the foil? Q) has anyone had and solved this problem before? Mark

If I understand your dilemna correctly, what you probably need is a halyard restrainer. It attaches to your mast. Your halyard runs through it and offsets the angle of the halyard to the forestay just enough to keep it from wrapping around the stay. Also, I have had this problem with my Harken furler when the halyard is just simply not tight enough. A good rigger should be able to advise you. Terry On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:17 PM, markalan05 wrote: > I am having an issue with my halyard getting wrapped around the foil at the top when I try to roll in. I am thinking that the 8" or so of halyard at the top is too much and that I need to get the top roller up a little higher to about an inch or two so the line will be too short to coil around..... > > I bought the boat a few years ago with a pro furl. It has a donut at the top that is suposed to keep this from happening but the thing rotated around and started chaffing the halyard. The riggers said to remove it because they cause more problems than they solve so I did. Now the halyard coils at the top. I shorted the tang on the top hoist section and added a small offset bracket to bring the tang/line out from the foil an additional inch. > > Q) with a furler to the sails have to have a full hoist to keep the halyard from coiling around the foil? > > Q) has anyone had and solved this problem before? > > Mark > >

Hi All, Our pit boss, Seffi, created this page http://yachtrace.net/Abaco2010.html with some narration from our trip to the Bahamas. --Michael-- s/v Magic

Mark, I agree with Terry, you need a halyard restrainer. I had problems with a Profurl system also, and my rigger suggested a restrainer. It did the trick. I now have a Schaffer system- no more problems. In all fairness the Profurl was undersized, but I really like the Schaffer. David Dobbs, Cal29 411 -- On Tue, 7/20/10, markalan05 <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: markalan05 <ma… [at] cox.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Roller Furling Issue Cal 2-29 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 3:17 PM I am having an issue with my halyard getting wrapped around the foil at the top when I try to roll in. I am thinking that the 8" or so of halyard at the top is too much and that I need to get the top roller up a little higher to about an inch or two so the line will be too short to coil around..... I bought the boat a few years ago with a pro furl. It has a donut at the top that is suposed to keep this from happening but the thing rotated around and started chaffing the halyard. The riggers said to remove it because they cause more problems than they solve so I did. Now the halyard coils at the top. I shorted the tang on the top hoist section and added a small offset bracket to bring the tang/line out from the foil an additional inch. Q) with a furler to the sails have to have a full hoist to keep the halyard from coiling around the foil? Q) has anyone had and solved this problem before? Mark

I just bought a restrainer from WM $20.00. I am going to have a local guy install it. In the mean time, I cut the tang down to about 1.5" for a shackle. Until I get the restrainer in place and system working, Ill just tack to deck and not furl..... Thanks for the feedback! Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: david dobbs To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Roller Furling Issue Cal 2-29(Mark) Mark, I agree with Terry, you need a halyard restrainer. I had problems with a Profurl system also, and my rigger suggested a restrainer. It did the trick. I now have a Schaffer system- no more problems. In all fairness the Profurl was undersized, but I really like the Schaffer. David Dobbs, Cal29 411 -- On Tue, 7/20/10, markalan05 <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: markalan05 <ma… [at] cox.net> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Roller Furling Issue Cal 2-29 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 3:17 PM I am having an issue with my halyard getting wrapped around the foil at the top when I try to roll in. I am thinking that the 8" or so of halyard at the top is too much and that I need to get the top roller up a little higher to about an inch or two so the line will be too short to coil around..... I bought the boat a few years ago with a pro furl. It has a donut at the top that is suposed to keep this from happening but the thing rotated around and started chaffing the halyard. The riggers said to remove it because they cause more problems than they solve so I did. Now the halyard coils at the top. I shorted the tang on the top hoist section and added a small offset bracket to bring the tang/line out from the foil an additional inch. Q) with a furler to the sails have to have a full hoist to keep the halyard from coiling around the foil? Q) has anyone had and solved this problem before? Mark __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5296 (20100720) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5296 (20100720) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Another work-around for this is to add a pendant to the bottom of the sail so it will hoist a few inches higher on the track. This assumes that the foil on the furler was installed high enough to accommodate this. The restrainer may create other problems for you, especially as the line gets stiffer. Wilkie On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:17 PM, markalan05 wrote: > I am having an issue with my halyard getting wrapped around the foil > at the top when I try to roll in. I am thinking that the 8" or so of > halyard at the top is too much and that I need to get the top roller > up a little higher to about an inch or two so the line will be too > short to coil around..... > > I bought the boat a few years ago with a pro furl. It has a donut at > the top that is suposed to keep this from happening but the thing > rotated around and started chaffing the halyard. The riggers said to > remove it because they cause more problems than they solve so I did. > Now the halyard coils at the top. I shorted the tang on the top > hoist section and added a small offset bracket to bring the tang/ > line out from the foil an additional inch. > > Q) with a furler to the sails have to have a full hoist to keep the > halyard from coiling around the foil? > > Q) has anyone had and solved this problem before? > > Mark > > >

Thanks Wilkie, I will try to rig a pendant as well. It should increase the angle away from the foil and shorten to a couple three inches., unfortunately each test is a little destructive to the old halyard..I will replace after I get the buggs out. Every one ive talked to says put a restrainer on...what kinds of future issues are to be expected from using one? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wilkie Owen To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Roller Furling Issue Cal 2-29 Another work-around for this is to add a pendant to the bottom of the sail so it will hoist a few inches higher on the track. This assumes that the foil on the furler was installed high enough to accommodate this. The restrainer may create other problems for you, especially as the line gets stiffer. Wilkie On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:17 PM, markalan05 wrote: I am having an issue with my halyard getting wrapped around the foil at the top when I try to roll in. I am thinking that the 8" or so of halyard at the top is too much and that I need to get the top roller up a little higher to about an inch or two so the line will be too short to coil around..... I bought the boat a few years ago with a pro furl. It has a donut at the top that is suposed to keep this from happening but the thing rotated around and started chaffing the halyard. The riggers said to remove it because they cause more problems than they solve so I did. Now the halyard coils at the top. I shorted the tang on the top hoist section and added a small offset bracket to bring the tang/line out from the foil an additional inch. Q) with a furler to the sails have to have a full hoist to keep the halyard from coiling around the foil? Q) has anyone had and solved this problem before? Mark __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5296 (20100720) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5296 (20100720) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi Mark, I raced on a boat that had a simular issue with the top of the roller. The bearings would gum up. We would have to flush them with WD40 to clean out the muck and spray a lubricant once in a while. We were racing 3 times a week so it was getting pretty abused. &nbsp;He ended up selling the boat, but replacing the bearings was in the future. &nbsp; Randy -- Sent from my Palm Pixi On Jul 20, 2010 20:55, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) &lt;ma… [at] cox.net&gt; wrote: &nbsp; Thanks Wilkie, I will&nbsp; try to rig a pendant&nbsp; as well. It should increase the&nbsp;angle away from the&nbsp;foil and shorten to&nbsp;a couple three&nbsp; inches., unfortunately each test is a little destructive to the old halyard..I will replace after I get the buggs out. Every one ive talked to says put a restrainer on...what kinds of future issues are to be expected from using one? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wilkie Owen To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Roller Furling Issue Cal 2-29 &nbsp; Another work-around for this is to add a pendant to the bottom of the sail so it will hoist a few inches higher on the track. &nbsp;This assumes that the foil on the furler was installed high enough to accommodate this. &nbsp;The restrainer may create other problems for you, especially as the line gets stiffer. Wilkie On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:17 PM, markalan05 wrote: I am having an issue with my halyard getting wrapped around the foil at the top when I try to roll in. I am thinking that the 8" or so of halyard at the top is too much and that I need to get the top roller up a little higher to about an inch or two so the line will be too short to coil around..... I bought the boat a few years ago with a pro furl. It has a donut at the top that is suposed to keep this from happening but the thing rotated around and started chaffing the halyard. The riggers said to remove it because they cause more problems than they solve so I did. Now the halyard coils at the top. I shorted the tang on the top hoist section and added a small offset bracket to bring the tang/line out from the foil an additional inch. Q) with a furler to the sails have to have a full hoist to keep the halyard from coiling around the foil? Q) has anyone had and solved this problem before?&nbsp; Mark Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5296 (20100720) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5296 (20100720) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

The halyard restrainer is your issue. I just had one installed on my 34. I am far too big to go aloft so I hired an agile mechanic to do the job. Less than $175 for parts and his high wire act. Once up, the unwanted wraps stopped. Git 'er dun. Cheers, Danny --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Terry Spencer <tspencer@...> wrote: > > If I understand your dilemna correctly, what you probably need is a halyard restrainer. It attaches to your mast. Your halyard runs through it and offsets the angle of the halyard to the forestay just enough to keep it from wrapping around the stay. Also, I have had this problem with my Harken furler when the halyard is just simply not tight enough. A good rigger should be able to advise you. > > Terry > > > On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:17 PM, markalan05 wrote: > > > I am having an issue with my halyard getting wrapped around the foil at the top when I try to roll in. I am thinking that the 8" or so of halyard at the top is too much and that I need to get the top roller up a little higher to about an inch or two so the line will be too short to coil around..... > > > > I bought the boat a few years ago with a pro furl. It has a donut at the top that is suposed to keep this from happening but the thing rotated around and started chaffing the halyard. The riggers said to remove it because they cause more problems than they solve so I did. Now the halyard coils at the top. I shorted the tang on the top hoist section and added a small offset bracket to bring the tang/line out from the foil an additional inch. > > > > Q) with a furler to the sails have to have a full hoist to keep the halyard from coiling around the foil? > > > > Q) has anyone had and solved this problem before? > > > > Mark > > > > >

Wilkie: You've forgotten more about Cal's than I'll ever know so I respect your comments. You said: "The restrainer may create other problems for you, especially as the line gets stiffer." Can you elaborate that for me? It seems I might have something new to worry about. Danny --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, David Wilkie Owen <dwowen@...> wrote: > > > > Another work-around for this is to add a pendant to the bottom of the > sail so it will hoist a few inches higher on the track. This assumes > that the foil on the furler was installed high enough to accommodate > this. > > The restrainer may create other problems for you, especially as the > line gets stiffer. > > Wilkie > > On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:17 PM, markalan05 wrote: > > > I am having an issue with my halyard getting wrapped around the foil > > at the top when I try to roll in. I am thinking that the 8" or so of > > halyard at the top is too much and that I need to get the top roller > > up a little higher to about an inch or two so the line will be too > > short to coil around..... > > > > I bought the boat a few years ago with a pro furl. It has a donut at > > the top that is suposed to keep this from happening but the thing > > rotated around and started chaffing the halyard. The riggers said to > > remove it because they cause more problems than they solve so I did. > > Now the halyard coils at the top. I shorted the tang on the top > > hoist section and added a small offset bracket to bring the tang/ > > line out from the foil an additional inch. > > > > Q) with a furler to the sails have to have a full hoist to keep the > > halyard from coiling around the foil? > > > > Q) has anyone had and solved this problem before? > > > > Mark > > > > > > >

Very nicely done. Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Michael D wrote: > Hi All, > > Our pit boss, Seffi, created this page http://yachtrace.net/ > Abaco2010.html with > some narration from our trip to the Bahamas. > > --Michael-- > s/v Magic > >