Re: [Cal_Boats] thieves

Last year some kids broke into a lot of boats looking for alcohol. We know this as that was all that was taken from any of the boats. They kicked in the hatch boards of the boat next to us but did a nice job of getting into my boat as all they broke was the lock and I presume threw it overboard. Glad it was kids because had it been anyone smart they'd have stolen the $6,000 worth of tools I had on board. I had no alcohol so my only loss was a lock. Paul West In a message dated 8/4/2010 9:13:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cl… [at] charterinternet.com writes: Went down to the Cal 20 last night to go sailing. Somebody had taken the oars from my dinghy. Turns out they had taken another dinghy, without oars, and took my oars to propel it. It was beached a few yards away. The oars were beat up. The thieves had broken one oarlock, one of the clamp-on kind. Grrr. So, I rode the bike home, made a new pin out of steel rod for the oarlock, and got back to the boat about in time to watch the sun set. Instead of sailing, I went swimming and scrubbed my topsides. Chris Campbell

pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > > Last year some kids broke into a lot of boats looking for alcohol. We > know this as that was all that was taken from any of the boats. They > kicked in the hatch boards of the boat next to us but did a nice job > of getting into my boat as all they broke was the lock and I presume > threw it overboard. Glad it was kids because had it been anyone smart > they'd have stolen the $6,000 worth of tools I had on board. I had no > alcohol so my only loss was a lock. > What's annoying about incidents like this is the malice involved. Kids do all manner of dumb things, based on my personal experience at least, but I didn't engage in damaging or destructive behavior. I'm generally an anti-death-penalty guy, but I have a secret list of crimes that might be punished in that way. It includes people who run over turtles in the road, people who abuse children, power boaters with the huge V-8s and unmuffled exhausts, and certain vandals. Chris Campbell > > >

In a message dated 8/4/2010 10:23:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cl… [at] charterinternet.com writes: I'm generally an anti-death-penalty guy, but I have a secret list of crimes that might be punished in that way. It includes people who run over turtles in the road, people who abuse children As a late in life, new father if anyone ever f*cks with my kid, Hell will be a reprieve for them. Before my son was born I'd see these abduction stories and think it was sad and all but now it enrages me and sets off animalistic feelings in me I've never experienced before. Sorry, no sailing content. Just wondered if other dad's had that raw emotion spew out when their kids were born. Paul

I’m with you on the turtles! No call for that From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:23 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] thieves pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: Last year some kids broke into a lot of boats looking for alcohol. We know this as that was all that was taken from any of the boats. They kicked in the hatch boards of the boat next to us but did a nice job of getting into my boat as all they broke was the lock and I presume threw it overboard. Glad it was kids because had it been anyone smart they'd have stolen the $6,000 worth of tools I had on board. I had no alcohol so my only loss was a lock. What's annoying about incidents like this is the malice involved. Kids do all manner of dumb things, based on my personal experience at least, but I didn't engage in damaging or destructive behavior. I'm generally an anti-death-penalty guy, but I have a secret list of crimes that might be punished in that way. It includes people who run over turtles in the road, people who abuse children, power boaters with the huge V-8s and unmuffled exhausts, and certain vandals. Chris Campbell

Rogers, Christopher C. wrote: > > > I’m with you on the turtles! No call for that > If there's any creature that it's easy to avoid, it's the turtle. They don't exactly dart in front of the car. I've rescued a lot this summer--including one found upside-down by the side of the road. My guess is that a car tire caught the edge of the turtle's shell and flipped it. Deer, on the other hand, are in the category of vermin. In Michigan, their population is exploding, and they eat everything, adversely affecting native vegetation and the other species that depend on it. I give gold stars for every deer kill, whether by gun or by vehicle (other peoples' cars, preferably). They do leap in front of cars in some sort of bizarre death wish. Boat content: the nasty swan that was hissing at me on my mooring last week is in the category of deer. The mute swans are an invading species that displaces our native swans. Chris Campbell > > >

Life WOP might be a better choice. Bubba will make you his " girlfrien" What goes around comes around, I hope. My Best, Mike F. From: "Rogers, Christopher C." <ch… [at] jhuapl.edu> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 8:51:04 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] thieves I’m with you on the turtles! No call for that From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Campbell Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:23 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] thieves pw… [at] aol.com wrote: >Last year some kids broke into a lot of boats looking for alcohol. We know this >as that was all that was taken from any of the boats. They kicked in the hatch >boards of the boat next to us but did a nice job of getting into my boat as all >they broke was the lock and I presume threw it overboard. Glad it was kids >because had it been anyone smart they'd have stolen the $6,000 worth of tools I >had on board. I had no alcohol so my only loss was a lock. > What's annoying about incidents like this is the malice involved. Kids do all manner of dumb things, based on my personal experience at least, but I didn't engage in damaging or destructive behavior. I'm generally an anti-death-penalty guy, but I have a secret list of crimes that might be punished in that way. It includes people who run over turtles in the road, people who abuse children, power boaters with the huge V-8s and unmuffled exhausts, and certain vandals. Chris Campbell

I hate people who kill turtles. Kids in Arizona think it is fun to crush them with rocks in the desert. Then, there is Arkansas. Talk about your highway of death. A curse on them and a pox on their houses.

Bruce Stirling wrote: > > > I hate people who kill turtles. Kids in Arizona think it is fun to > crush them with rocks in the desert. Then, there is Arkansas. Talk > about your highway of death. > There is a cruel streak in children, at least in our culture, that a lot of us grow out of (but not all of us). My dad, a physician, saw a lot of torn and maimed bodies in his career as a surgeon. It made him a very cautious driver, among other things. He grew up in northern Michigan where hunting was an element of everybody's life, and he continued to hunt pheasants and deer into his adult life. He even got a couple deer, back in the days when they did not fill all the backyards & gardens. Then he stopped. One day, while sailing, I asked why he stopped. "I spent my whole life healing and saving lives. I got tired of killing things." Most of us have the same reaction as we get older. I will confess that I'm not too kind to spiders on my boats, even after reading Joel White's comment that nobody in his boat shop killed spiders (they'd all read /Charlotte's Web/, written by his father). But I try not to engage in gratuitous crushing or cruelty. My dad had an interest in most forms of wildlife. My respect for my grandmother grew when I heard that, as a child, my father had a collection of all the snakes found in Michigan except the rattler. He liked birds too. So we learned early that we had to respect other creatures. I feel sorry for people who have learned to be cruel, to inflict injury and pain as a means of gratification. By the way, the time I spent sailing with my father was a wonderful opportunity to hear his stories and learn more about his values. It's a good reason to take kids sailing. It's also how I acquired my Cal 20. I left the other boat over where Dad lived so we could sail together. But gee, I needed a boat where I lived, too. The Cal 20 seemed like a good interim boat, just until I moved the other one around here. But now I can't imagine selling the pretty little Cal. Chris Campbell

I have to admit, Chris, after reading about the Cal 20 on this list over the past few years, I want one, too. I want one painted like Charlie's Cal 25, purple, black, gold stripe, and white decks. I'd like to see my Cal 28 painted with the same scheme, but it might be a bit hot. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Chris Campbell < cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > > > Bruce Stirling wrote: > > > > I hate people who kill turtles. Kids in Arizona think it is fun to crush > them with rocks in the desert. Then, there is Arkansas. Talk about your > highway of death. > > > There is a cruel streak in children, at least in our culture, that a lot of > us grow out of (but not all of us). My dad, a physician, saw a lot of torn > and maimed bodies in his career as a surgeon. It made him a very cautious > driver, among other things. He grew up in northern Michigan where hunting > was an element of everybody's life, and he continued to hunt pheasants and > deer into his adult life. He even got a couple deer, back in the days when > they did not fill all the backyards & gardens. Then he stopped. One day, > while sailing, I asked why he stopped. "I spent my whole life healing and > saving lives. I got tired of killing things." Most of us have the same > reaction as we get older. I will confess that I'm not too kind to spiders > on my boats, even after reading Joel White's comment that nobody in his boat > shop killed spiders (they'd all read *Charlotte's Web*, written by his > father). But I try not to engage in gratuitous crushing or cruelty. > > My dad had an interest in most forms of wildlife. My respect for my > grandmother grew when I heard that, as a child, my father had a collection > of all the snakes found in Michigan except the rattler. He liked birds > too. So we learned early that we had to respect other creatures. I feel > sorry for people who have learned to be cruel, to inflict injury and pain as > a means of gratification. > > By the way, the time I spent sailing with my father was a wonderful > opportunity to hear his stories and learn more about his values. It's a > good reason to take kids sailing. It's also how I acquired my Cal 20. I > left the other boat over where Dad lived so we could sail together. But > gee, I needed a boat where I lived, too. The Cal 20 seemed like a good > interim boat, just until I moved the other one around here. But now I can't > imagine selling the pretty little Cal. > > Chris Campbell > > > -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] 602-507-9445 [Fax] 520-302-5206 [Tucson] br… [at] stirlinglaw.com http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers The information in this e-mail communication is Privileged and Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the undersigned sender immediately and then delete this e-mail.

Cal 20 sailboats are one of the best values in sport today. I first sailed a cal 20 in 1972 when I was new to sailing and nearly sailed my open cockpit boat under in SF Bay. I paid $500 for a 1/2 share of hull 1535. I raced with Ted Rust on Illiamna Cal 20 # 315 and we raced every weekend in summer. The harbors would empty and we would get 40 boats out and on the line with the best of one design racing. We had the Cal 20 nationals on SF Bay in 1975 and 1977. I sold the #1535 and bought a 7 ton 35' S&S designed Hinckley Pilot. Jupiter was a great boat with a Perkins 4 107 ,2 spinnakers 5 headsails and I loved her.. After Jupiter came a SC27 She would surf at 15.5 but singlehanded without rail meat she needed a big tuck in the main and a 80% jib. A divorce got her. When I tried to buy Phyllis Swift SC 27 #103 back I got a Moore 24 instead Spitfire was more like an improved Cal 20 than the Santa Cruz. She would 11's and 12's downwind without a kite. My 10 year old daughter loved to steer her. Now I sail two Cal 20's Rambler #1114 and Coyote #61. They are very different boats.. I cannot imagine life without a Cal 20 on SF Bay. I often singlehand with the wind speed in the 30's I would be apprehensive in the Santa Cruz or the Moore , the Pilot too! Gear loading is light and at 273PHRF we beat well sailed boats with much lower ratings that are not quite as well sailed. I put on a wet suit and clean my own bottom. I haul out on a trailer and yearly save $1k. In the past 2 years I have "Saved "7 Cal 20's 2 went to Boy Scouts of America. One to Half Moon Bay Yacht Club for their program and 2 went to friends. Now, sadly, there are 4 Cal 20's with PHRF Certificates on SF Bay and 2 are Coyote & Rambler. The "glory" days are over. I am now having more fun and satisfaction sailing and racing these boats than at any other time I can recall. Race 5 GGYC Friday races I gave the first place trophy to my crew. Maille is a junior sailor in the club with enthusiasm and the right stuff. If I can show her some of what taken me 50 years to learn, then this time well spent is worth it. Find a Cal 20, Make her your own, you will not be disappointed. My Best, Mike F From: Bruce Stirling <br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 12:54:37 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] thieves I have to admit, Chris, after reading about the Cal 20 on this list over the past few years, I want one, too. I want one painted like Charlie's Cal 25, purple, black, gold stripe, and white decks. I'd like to see my Cal 28 painted with the same scheme, but it might be a bit hot. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: >Bruce Stirling wrote: > >>I hate people who kill turtles. Kids in Arizona think it is fun to crush them >>with rocks in the desert. Then, there is Arkansas. Talk about your highway of >>death. There is a cruel streak in children, at least in our culture, that a lot of us grow out of (but not all of us). My dad, a physician, saw a lot of torn and maimed bodies in his career as a surgeon. It made him a very cautious driver, among other things. He grew up in northern Michigan where hunting was an element of everybody's life, and he continued to hunt pheasants and deer into his adult life. He even got a couple deer, back in the days when they did not fill all the backyards & gardens. Then he stopped. One day, while sailing, I asked why he stopped. "I spent my whole life healing and saving lives. I got tired of killing things." Most of us have the same reaction as we get older. I will confess that I'm not too kind to spiders on my boats, even after reading Joel White's comment that nobody in his boat shop killed spiders (they'd all read Charlotte's Web, written by his father). But I try not to engage in gratuitous crushing or cruelty. > >My dad had an interest in most forms of wildlife. My respect for my grandmother >grew when I heard that, as a child, my father had a collection of all the snakes >found in Michigan except the rattler. He liked birds too. So we learned early >that we had to respect other creatures. I feel sorry for people who have >learned to be cruel, to inflict injury and pain as a means of gratification. > >By the way, the time I spent sailing with my father was a wonderful opportunity >to hear his stories and learn more about his values. It's a good reason to take >kids sailing. It's also how I acquired my Cal 20. I left the other boat over >where Dad lived so we could sail together. But gee, I needed a boat where I >lived, too. The Cal 20 seemed like a good interim boat, just until I moved the >other one around here. But now I can't imagine selling the pretty little Cal. > >Chris Campbell > > -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] 602-507-9445 [Fax] 520-302-5206 [Tucson] br… [at] stirlinglaw.com http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers The information in this e-mail communication is Privileged and Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the undersigned sender immediately and then delete this e-mail.

they are great boats and are available for a song and a dance. You cannot go wrong with a Cal 20. One tip is to pay a little more for a boat that is ready to go rather then a project. While I like the aspect of a project, the cost savings are not there. If you are frugal pay around 1500 bucks for a boat and tailor, sails are always available from cal20.com forums and you are good to go. No winter storage fee's and you can launch the boat yourself off the trailer, so pending on where you live, no mooring fee's. Chris B has worked out a nice way to launch the boat but keeps his on a mooring in Allen Harbour. Mine is a project on the hard. There is so much you can do with these little boats and once on board, they dont seem little at all except in a swell or square waves. Then it gets fun. Cant say enough good things about these boats. Just finishing reading Blackfeathers. Its a really good read and recommend it to everyone. Best regards /ch

The Cal 20 is unquestionably the best bang for your buck. It is forgiving for the inexperienced and worthy for the daring. I have never felt scared while sailing a Cal 20 including completely around Santa Catalina Island in a series of Winter Storms with seas to 15" with breaking white caps,heavy rain and long tacks in the channel towards San Clemente Island. Taking water over the bow at times completely filling the cockpit and draining out in minutes. Never felt scared, while sailing down breaking seas with a knot meter pegged at 10 knots...and towing a hard dingy! The Cal 20's are still racing up to the National level. They are easy to maintain....pick the right boat for less maintenance. There are plenty of right boats out there at the right price. I have seen Cal 20's from free to $10,000. I feel as safe on a Cal 20 as a Cal 29 or any other plastic fantastic. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: chris123 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 20 Value they are great boats and are available for a song and a dance. You cannot go wrong with a Cal 20. One tip is to pay a little more for a boat that is ready to go rather then a project. While I like the aspect of a project, the cost savings are not there. If you are frugal pay around 1500 bucks for a boat and tailor, sails are always available from cal20.com forums and you are good to go. No winter storage fee's and you can launch the boat yourself off the trailer, so pending on where you live, no mooring fee's. Chris B has worked out a nice way to launch the boat but keeps his on a mooring in Allen Harbour. Mine is a project on the hard. There is so much you can do with these little boats and once on board, they dont seem little at all except in a swell or square waves. Then it gets fun. Cant say enough good things about these boats. Just finishing reading Blackfeathers. Its a really good read and recommend it to everyone. Best regards /ch __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5348 (20100806) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5348 (20100806) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

My daughters were 8 and 10 and my son 3 months old when I was shopping in a Shop Rite in Jersey City. It was just before the holidays, so the store was packed with people. My eldest daughter was pushing my son in the stroller and following me through the store. Suddenly, I turned behind me to say something to her and she wasn't there! I walked quickly in four directions and there was no sign of either daughter, my son, or the stroller. I ran to the front of the store to look in the parking lot to see if I could see who had taken them and where they were! I was at the entrance sliding door and it would not open for someone approaching from the inside. I was so pumped with adrenaline that I put my fingers between the doors, opened a gap to get more hand in and flung the doors open so hard that the frame vibrated. I could not see them in the parking lot! This action got the attention of a manager who introduced me to Code Adam. He picked up a microphone, called Code Adam over the loudspeakers, and every single employee dropped what they were doing instantly, the doors were locked, and a description of my children was given over the address system. As I ran through the store looking from aisle to aisle employees from all departments of the store had stationed themselves at the head of each aisle and at every door to the store! In the farthest aisle, an employee was talking to my frightened children -- scared because they could not find me! Only time in my life I cried in a store!! As we talked to the manager and filled out some paperwork for him, he walked over to the doors and tried to open them with his hands. He could barely get them to budge and could not get them to open more than an inch! They had been sold the doors as a security improvement and they were supposed to be unable to be opened from the inside. We went home without the groceries and I hugged the kids for the rest of the day. We were living aboard our Cal 33 in Liberty Landing Marina in Liberty State Park at the time and I had been homeschooling the girls for two months. We really enjoyed that experience! But, those few minutes where I thought someone had taken my children, were the most energized and frightening minutes of my life, bar none!!! So, Paul, yes, I understand the feelings that you have because I have them myself. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 7:33:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] thieves In a message dated 8/4/2010 10:23:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clcampbell@charteri nternet.com writes: I'm generally an anti-death-penalty guy, but I have a secret list of crimes that might be punished in that way. It includes people who run over turtles in the road, people who abuse children As a late in life, new father if anyone ever f*cks with my kid, Hell will be a reprieve for them. Before my son was born I'd see these abduction stories and think it was sad and all but now it enrages me and sets off animalistic feelings in me I've never experienced before. Sorry, no sailing content. Just wondered if other dad's had that raw emotion spew out when their kids were born. Paul