Cal 2-29 question

Greetings,,, I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed reading the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and tight. I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for sometime and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable time exploring her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and and the legacy of Mr. Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the boat and hoping that she will roam the waters of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawerence River soon. The boat needs some tlc and have not found anything major to repair other than the rub rail which needs replacing. But from reading books and articles, I will get a "survey" of her very soon. My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew on the tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the southern shore of Lake Ontario. Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that was between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a raditator. The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I have been able to get some good pictures of it if anyone is interested. What is it? and what does it do? The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to invest some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) deisel engine. I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it deserves. From what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I want to thank Mr. David Owen in California for the time he took to read and answer my initial emails. I have also gotten some great ideas on how to possibly redo the interior of the boat from the other boat pics posted from this group. All your effort shows that you enjoy sailing your boats! I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo journal to share as well. Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward to the responses in my inbox! Happy Sailing! Regards, Jim Ives Rochester, NY

If it hasn't been mentioned yet make sure to check the steel beam with a mirror thru the opening around the large waste valve at left of the head. Additionally, I found out the hard way that there was a leak near the top rear seam in my fuel tank after purchase and filling her up. What a disaster that was. If it has a roller furling jib, make sure the halyard does not get wrapped up around the head foil. Make sure the mainsheet is long enough to completely let the boom out to the shrouds. And make sure both sails go up and down without the halyards catching or hanging up on anything. You are looking at not any boat but the 29 hull is a favorite boat of Mr. Lapworth. The Cal 29 is still winning races all over the West Coast PHRF and many firsts to finish. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: James To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Greetings,,, I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed reading the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and tight. I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for sometime and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable time exploring her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and and the legacy of Mr. Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the boat and hoping that she will roam the waters of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawerence River soon. The boat needs some tlc and have not found anything major to repair other than the rub rail which needs replacing. But from reading books and articles, I will get a "survey" of her very soon. My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew on the tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the southern shore of Lake Ontario. Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that was between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a raditator. The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I have been able to get some good pictures of it if anyone is interested. What is it? and what does it do? The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to invest some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) deisel engine. I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it deserves. From what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I want to thank Mr. David Owen in California for the time he took to read and answer my initial emails. I have also gotten some great ideas on how to possibly redo the interior of the boat from the other boat pics posted from this group. All your effort shows that you enjoy sailing your boats! I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo journal to share as well. Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward to the responses in my inbox! Happy Sailing! Regards, Jim Ives Rochester, NY __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5356 (20100810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5356 (20100810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Jim, in addition to Mark's excellent advice, ...Hello and welcome. Lots of good stuff on this list. Cheers Charlie Annapolis CAL 25, 25, 40 (a collector of sorts) From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:19 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Greetings,,, I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed reading the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and tight. I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for sometime and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable time exploring her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and and the legacy of Mr. Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the boat and hoping that she will roam the waters of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawerence River soon. The boat needs some tlc and have not found anything major to repair other than the rub rail which needs replacing. But from reading books and articles, I will get a "survey" of her very soon. My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew on the tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the southern shore of Lake Ontario. Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that was between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a raditator. The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I have been able to get some good pictures of it if anyone is interested. What is it? and what does it do? The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to invest some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) deisel engine. I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it deserves. From what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I want to thank Mr. David Owen in California for the time he took to read and answer my initial emails. I have also gotten some great ideas on how to possibly redo the interior of the boat from the other boat pics posted from this group. All your effort shows that you enjoy sailing your boats! I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo journal to share as well. Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward to the responses in my inbox! Happy Sailing! Regards, Jim Ives Rochester, NY ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Another way to check that beam is to open the hatch in the sole of the main salon, get on your knees facing the stern and bend your head down (upside down view) and take a very bright flashlight and inspect it from that angle..the icebox drain tube was installed on top of this beam, therefore a lot of the 29's (and 34's with this icebox next to the bulkhead starboard) have developed rust on that side of the boat's beam. The other problem comes from those equipped with showers that drain into the bilge through that little hole. I made an inspection hole inside the sink cabinet down low (there is insulation around that icebox) with a hole saw, and we don't use our icebox with wet stuff, but I plan to reroute the drain tube. Also, check around all the stanchion bolts for leakage, you may need to rebed those. We made ss backing plates. Be sure to have the shroud and stay swages inspected, even up at the spreaders. We have replaced all our standing rigging. Hopefully the freshwater environment the boat is in has been good for freedom from corrosion the spars can get in saltwater environments. We love our Cals. HH From: James <ne… [at] hotmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 2:18:53 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Greetings,,, I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed reading the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and tight. I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for sometime and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable time exploring her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and and the legacy of Mr. Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the boat and hoping that she will roam the waters of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawerence River soon. The boat needs some tlc and have not found anything major to repair other than the rub rail which needs replacing. But from reading books and articles, I will get a "survey" of her very soon. My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew on the tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the southern shore of Lake Ontario. Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that was between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a raditator. The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I have been able to get some good pictures of it if anyone is interested. What is it? and what does it do? The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to invest some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) deisel engine. I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it deserves. From what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I want to thank Mr. David Owen in California for the time he took to read and answer my initial emails. I have also gotten some great ideas on how to possibly redo the interior of the boat from the other boat pics posted from this group. All your effort shows that you enjoy sailing your boats! I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo journal to share as well. Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward to the responses in my inbox! Happy Sailing! Regards, Jim Ives Rochester, NY

Jim As an owner of a '74 CAL 229...congrats on getting a great boat. I'm very happy with our Cal and plan on keeping it for many years. 1. Check the steel beam that supports the main cabin bulkhead. It's steel vs stainless and with the head shower pan plus the ice box emptying into the bildge, rust is an issue. My Cal is fast approaching a point of needing repair. Big job but do-able I'm told by someone skilled with tools and comfotable working with fiberglass. See link on the replacement of the beam, ref "Mariposa" rebuild. The owner did a class job rebuilding this boat. http://www.mariposasailing.com/beam.html 2. Replacement rub rail source http://www.drmarine.com/products.asp?cat=278 Cal rub rail is the 7th item down in the listing. I'm ordering a replacement one from DR marine this month. Best price I've found with great reviews on the supplier. Located in MA Another supplier is Seal Spars. Excellent reviews and reputation, but higher in cost http://www.sealsspars.com/gunnelcatalog.html 3. Check out and do a good clean on the deep bildge (aft section of the keel). Given any leaks in the engine area runs into this area, and with no drain plug, it has the tendency to become a source of odors. Hope this helps Bob Cal 229 #6699 Newtown, CT From: James <ne… [at] hotmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:18:53 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Greetings,,, I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed reading the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and tight. I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for sometime and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable time exploring her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and and the legacy of Mr. Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the boat and hoping that she will roam the waters of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawerence River soon. The boat needs some tlc and have not found anything major to repair other than the rub rail which needs replacing. But from reading books and articles, I will get a "survey" of her very soon. My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew on the tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the southern shore of Lake Ontario. Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that was between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a raditator. The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I have been able to get some good pictures of it if anyone is interested. What is it? and what does it do? The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to invest some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) deisel engine. I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it deserves. From what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I want to thank Mr. David Owen in California for the time he took to read and answer my initial emails. I have also gotten some great ideas on how to possibly redo the interior of the boat from the other boat pics posted from this group. All your effort shows that you enjoy sailing your boats! I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo journal to share as well. Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward to the responses in my inbox! Happy Sailing! Regards, Jim Ives Rochester, NY ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Comments in line: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:18 PM, James <ne… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Greetings,,, > > I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed reading > the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and tight. > > Its one of the best groups I belong too. Welcome on board. Im sure your going to enjoy the expertise you can find here. Bought my 29 last year. > I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for sometime > and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable time exploring > her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and and the legacy of Mr. > Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the boat and hoping that she will > roam the waters of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawerence River soon. > Do make sure that you come over the Canadian side in your travels. You can get a special pass that allows easy of entry at CA and US ports. Just check with the marina, they will sort this out for you as the rules on your side seem to change every year. Great Ports are Kingston, Picton, Sacketts Harbour, Sodus Bay, Grimsby Port Credit and of course Toronto is a must. I prefer the other end of the lake towards the mouth of the St.Lawrance for its quiantness and remoteness. > The boat needs some tlc and have not found anything major to repair other > than the rub rail which needs replacing. But from reading books and > articles, I will get a "survey" of her very soon. > > My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew on the > tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the southern shore of > Lake Ontario. > > If Im not mistaken does she now not reside on the Ottawa River wintering at one of the marinas in Ottawa? > Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that was > between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a raditator. > The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I have been able to > get some good pictures of it if anyone is interested. What is it? and what > does it do? > > Send through the pictures and let the list look at it. Sounds like a home made heating system the uses the engines hot water similar to a car. Some A-4 afficionatoes play with there engines and do stuff like this. On the other hand, if the engine is water cooled, there are such mods for the A-4 then its the radiator to cool the coolant similar to your car. > The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to invest > some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) deisel engine. > > Best choice for a lifetime investment. There are several good dealers available and since I mentioned Moyers its safe to mention Beta Marine and Joe D who is also on this list. > I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it deserves. From > what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I want to thank Mr. > David Owen in California for the time he took to read and answer my initial > emails. I have also gotten some great ideas on how to possibly redo the > interior of the boat from the other boat pics posted from this group. All > your effort shows that you enjoy sailing your boats! > > I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo journal to > share as well. > > That would be most interesting. > Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward to the > responses in my inbox! > > Looking forward to seeing you on Lake Ontario. Eventually my boat will get there and it will be summered at Picton Harbor and wintered at Port Credit Marina. As everyone has already mentioned the important stuff, some of the less major items to check are the boats electrical system and components, the plumbing system, and of course the sails and running rigging and furler if installed. Inland boats such as your typically have a race history as that what they were used for on Lake Ontario. Do check it carefully as they are wonderful keeper boats that are worth the investment in "getting her back" On the other hand such boats have not been exposed to salt and all the nasty stuff that generates. Do you have a name for the vessel yet? /ch

Jim a relatively easier approach to the beam replacement...if replacement is needed http://www.seven-cs.net/photo-gallery/cal-29-the-dreaded-beam From: James <ne… [at] hotmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:18:53 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Greetings,,, I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed reading the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and tight. I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for sometime and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable time exploring her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and and the legacy of Mr. Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the boat and hoping that she will roam the waters of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawerence River soon. The boat needs some tlc and have not found anything major to repair other than the rub rail which needs replacing. But from reading books and articles, I will get a "survey" of her very soon. My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew on the tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the southern shore of Lake Ontario. Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that was between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a raditator. The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I have been able to get some good pictures of it if anyone is interested. What is it? and what does it do? The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to invest some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) deisel engine. I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it deserves. From what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I want to thank Mr. David Owen in California for the time he took to read and answer my initial emails. I have also gotten some great ideas on how to possibly redo the interior of the boat from the other boat pics posted from this group. All your effort shows that you enjoy sailing your boats! I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo journal to share as well. Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward to the responses in my inbox! Happy Sailing! Regards, Jim Ives Rochester, NY ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

I like the way you did the beam without rebuilding the entire boat, good if that's not necessary. But was the mast down at the time? I believe on Mariposa Wilkie showed bracing of the cabin top. The mast step has a lot of pressure from the rigging. Cals that have collapsing beams or overtightened rig can have distorted the shape of the doorways so the sliding door to the head may get stuck. The pictures were very helpful also. Thanks Helen From: Bob Virgalla <vi… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 9:51:25 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Jim a relatively easier approach to the beam replacement. ..if replacement is needed http://www.seven-cs.net/photo-gallery/cal-29-the-dreaded-beam From: James <newyork1952@ hotmail.com> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:18:53 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Greetings,,, I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed reading the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and tight. I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for sometime and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable time exploring her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and and the legacy of Mr. Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the boat and hoping that she will roam the waters of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawerence River soon. The boat needs some tlc and have not found anything major to repair other than the rub rail which needs replacing. But from reading books and articles, I will get a "survey" of her very soon. My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew on the tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the southern shore of Lake Ontario. Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that was between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a raditator. The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I have been able to get some good pictures of it if anyone is interested. What is it? and what does it do? The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to invest some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) deisel engine. I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it deserves. From what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I want to thank Mr. David Owen in California for the time he took to read and answer my initial emails. I have also gotten some great ideas on how to possibly redo the interior of the boat from the other boat pics posted from this group. All your effort shows that you enjoy sailing your boats! I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo journal to share as well. Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward to the responses in my inbox! Happy Sailing! Regards, Jim Ives Rochester, NY ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Jim, Welcome to the group. Glad you are on board. Wilkie On Aug 10, 2010, at 2:18 PM, James wrote: > Greetings,,, > > I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed > reading the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and > tight. > > I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for > sometime and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable > time exploring her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and > and the legacy of Mr. Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the > boat and hoping that she will roam the waters of Lake Ontario and > the St. Lawerence River soon. The boat needs some tlc and have not > found anything major to repair other than the rub rail which needs > replacing. But from reading books and articles, I will get a > "survey" of her very soon. > > My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew > on the tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the > southern shore of Lake Ontario. > > Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that > was between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a > raditator. The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I > have been able to get some good pictures of it if anyone is > interested. What is it? and what does it do? > > The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to > invest some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) > deisel engine. > > I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it > deserves. From what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I > want to thank Mr. David Owen in California for the time he took to > read and answer my initial emails. I have also gotten some great > ideas on how to possibly redo the interior of the boat from the > other boat pics posted from this group. All your effort shows that > you enjoy sailing your boats! > > I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo > journal to share as well. > > Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward > to the responses in my inbox! > > Happy Sailing! > > Regards, > > Jim Ives > Rochester, NY > > >

If I ever had to do a "dreaded beam" replacement, I think I would opt for a carbon replacement, or a beam shaped block of concrete. Roger used to fabricate carbon parts, vacuum packed, and I am sure it would be stronger and never rust again. Concrete, as I once proposed, in a nice web shape with embedded bolts, gets stronger the more it is exposed to water. The weight increase would be more than justified, knowing you should never have to replace the beam again. Use high quality stainless bolts. Reinforce the beam with small rebar, or better yet, carbon. This was a nice link. Makes the whole project look about as hard as sanding and revarnishing the galley. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Bob Virgalla <vi… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Jim > > a relatively easier approach to the beam replacement...if replacement is > needed > > http://www.seven-cs.net/photo-gallery/cal-29-the-dreaded-beam > > ------------------------------ > *From:* James <ne… [at] hotmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tue, August 10, 2010 5:18:53 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question > > Greetings,,, > > I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed reading > the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and tight. > > I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for sometime > and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable time exploring > her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and and the legacy of Mr. > Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the boat and hoping that she will > roam the waters of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawerence River soon. The boat > needs some tlc and have not found anything major to repair other than the > rub rail which needs replacing. But from reading books and articles, I will > get a "survey" of her very soon. > > My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew on the > tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the southern shore of > Lake Ontario. > > Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that was > between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a raditator. > The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I have been able to > get some good pictures of it if anyone is interested. What is it? and what > does it do? > > The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to invest > some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) deisel engine. > > I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it deserves. From > what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I want to thank Mr. > David Owen in California for the time he took to read and answer my initial > emails. I have also gotten some great ideas on how to possibly redo the > interior of the boat from the other boat pics posted from this group. All > your effort shows that you enjoy sailing your boats! > > I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo journal to > share as well. > > Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward to the > responses in my inbox! > > Happy Sailing! > > Regards, > > Jim Ives > Rochester, NY > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > &lt ;*> To change settings via email: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > > -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] 602-507-9445 [Fax] 520-302-5206 [Tucson] br… [at] stirlinglaw.com http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers The information in this e-mail communication is Privileged and Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the undersigned sender immediately and then delete this e-mail.

Working with carbon fibre is exceptionally difficult as its strength is specific to how its laid up. There are a lot of forces on that beam (vectors coming from at least three directions) so these would all have to be considered in the layup. Honestly, these beams have last now 30 years in their original configuration. A replacement using same materials should give us 30 more years before it needs to be addresses, unless you are racing of course. So old are most of us? ...;) My argument is that a simple steel beam should service most of our needs. Best regards /ch

Greetings,,, Thank you for the information that was passed along about the "dreaded beam"! I appreciate the link and all the advice that was giving to check and to consider replacing the dreaded beam. In my initial investigation of the Cal 29, I had learned about this beam and came across a web site that had the demission's to make a replacement beam. I thought that I had booked marked the page, but apparently I did not. If anyone has the link, I would appreciate it very much if I could get it. I have visited both the link to Mr. Owen's site and the link from Mr. Virgalla and read the articles with the anticipation of replacing the beam. A couple more questions,,,, * Is there anyone that is in the business to make a carbon replacement, and is there any recommended businesses? * Is it hard to make your own carbon replacement for the beam? As I have not yet acquired (still in progress) the boat and have a survey done yet, I want to anticipate this needing to be done, so I can plan and schedule the winters' work. I want to again thank all for the words of wisdom and advice and encouragement about the Cal 29. Replacing the beam is not discouraging me at all and I still am looking forward to a lot of great sailing memories and making new friends! To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: br… [at] stirlinglaw.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:12:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question If I ever had to do a "dreaded beam" replacement, I think I would opt for a carbon replacement, or a beam shaped block of concrete. Roger used to fabricate carbon parts, vacuum packed, and I am sure it would be stronger and never rust again. Concrete, as I once proposed, in a nice web shape with embedded bolts, gets stronger the more it is exposed to water. The weight increase would be more than justified, knowing you should never have to replace the beam again. Use high quality stainless bolts. Reinforce the beam with small rebar, or better yet, carbon. This was a nice link. Makes the whole project look about as hard as sanding and revarnishing the galley. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Bob Virgalla <vi… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Jim a relatively easier approach to the beam replacement...if replacement is needed http://www.seven-cs.net/photo-gallery/cal-29-the-dreaded-beam From: James <ne… [at] hotmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:18:53 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Greetings,,, I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed reading the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and tight. I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for sometime and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable time exploring her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and and the legacy of Mr. Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the boat and hoping that she will roam the waters of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawerence River soon. The boat needs some tlc and have not found anything major to repair other than the rub rail which needs replacing. But from reading books and articles, I will get a "survey" of her very soon. My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew on the tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the southern shore of Lake Ontario. Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that was between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a raditator. The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I have been able to get some good pictures of it if anyone is interested. What is it? and what does it do? The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to invest some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) deisel engine. I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it deserves. From what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I want to thank Mr. David Owen in California for the time he took to read and answer my initial emails. I have also gotten some great ideas on how to possibly redo the interior of the boat from the other boat pics posted from this group. All your effort shows that you enjoy sailing your boats! I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo journal to share as well. Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward to the responses in my inbox! Happy Sailing! Regards, Jim Ives Rochester, NY ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links &lt ;*> To change settings via email: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] 602-507-9445 [Fax] 520-302-5206 [Tucson] br… [at] stirlinglaw.com http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers The information in this e-mail communication is Privileged and Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the undersigned sender immediately and then delete this e-mail.

Greetings,,, Thank you for the information that was passed along about the "dreaded beam"! I appreciate the link and all the advice that was giving to check and to consider replacing the dreaded beam. In my initial investigation of the Cal 29, I had learned about this beam and came across a web site that had the demission's to make a replacement beam. I thought that I had booked marked the page, but apparently I did not. If anyone has the link, I would appreciate it very much if I could get it. I have visited both the link to Mr. Owen's site and the link from Mr. Virgalla and read the articles with the anticipation of replacing the beam. A couple more questions,,,, * Is there anyone that is in the business to make a carbon replacement, and is there any recommended businesses? * Is it hard to make your own carbon replacement for the beam? As I have not yet acquired (still in progress) the boat and have a survey done yet, I want to anticipate this needing to be done, so I can plan and schedule the winters' work. I want to again thank all for the words of wisdom and advice and encouragement about the Cal 29. Replacing the beam is not discouraging me at all and I still am looking forward to a lot of great sailing memories and making new friends! Regards, Jim Ives Rochester, NY To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: vi… [at] yahoo.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:51:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Jim a relatively easier approach to the beam replacement...if replacement is needed http://www.seven-cs.net/photo-gallery/cal-29-the-dreaded-beam From: James <ne… [at] hotmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:18:53 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Greetings,,, I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed reading the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and tight. I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for sometime and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable time exploring her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and and the legacy of Mr. Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the boat and hoping that she will roam the waters of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawerence River soon. The boat needs some tlc and have not found anything major to repair other than the rub rail which needs replacing. But from reading books and articles, I will get a "survey" of her very soon. My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew on the tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the southern shore of Lake Ontario. Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that was between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a raditator. The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I have been able to get some good pictures of it if anyone is interested. What is it? and what does it do? The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to invest some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) deisel engine. I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it deserves. From what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I want to thank Mr. David Owen in California for the time he took to read and answer my initial emails. I have also gotten some great ideas on how to possibly redo the interior of the boat from the other boat pics posted from this group. All your effort shows that you enjoy sailing your boats! I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo journal to share as well. Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward to the responses in my inbox! Happy Sailing! Regards, Jim Ives Rochester, NY ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

James wrote: > > > Greetings,,, > > I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed > reading the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and > tight. > Welcome, Jim, from another Great Lakes sailor. I think you will find that Cal owners sail their boats. They don't sit around in the marina. And most of us seem to like our boats a lot. The long-time list members know my mantra: every time I row away from my pretty Cal 20 on her mooring, I get a big smile looking at that wonderful boat. > > > My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew on > the tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the southern > shore of Lake Ontario. > I'm a crew member on our local historic replica schooner, /Madeline/, and teach as a volunteer science instructor in the spring on a steel schooner, /Manitou/. > > > Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that > was between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a > raditator. The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I > have been able to get some good pictures of it if anyone is > interested. What is it? and what does it do? > Haven't seen the pix, but I'm guessing it's a refrigeration compressor/condenser/fan. Chris Campbell Cal 20 #1220, /Martha C /Traverse City, MI > >

chris123 wrote: > > > Working with carbon fibre is exceptionally difficult as its strength > is specific to how its laid up. There are a lot of forces on that beam > (vectors coming from at least three directions) so these would all > have to be considered in the layup. > > Honestly, these beams have last now 30 years in their original > configuration. A replacement using same materials should give us 30 > more years before it needs to be addresses, unless you are racing of > course. So old are most of us? ...;) My argument is that a simple > steel beam should service most of our needs. > Actually, a new steel beam should last _longer_ than the original if the owners are aware of the potential problem and take steps to keep the new one dry. You comments about a carbon-fiber beam make sense. That project should be undertaken by somebody with the proper engineering skills. But while a simple steel beam should be adequate, why not opt for stainless steel (maybe that's what you meant)? Chris Campbell

Greets Chris: What I meant is this. Let me give you an example. The replacement keel bolts for the CAL-20 are well lets say expensive because they are limited production and made of a particular formulation of SS. The same bolts in steal or a lower grade of SS are about the third of the cost locally. Now given that the original plane jane steel bolts lasted over thirty years, once could assume 30 years or equivalent years of usage of bolts of similar metal. Same can be said for the beam. Its originally made of a particular quality of steel and for two reason, one the drain from the shower and the drain from the cooler resulted in the beam rusting out as it was exposed to condensation, water and probably not treated in any shape or form to prevent rust buildup. It took 30 years to rust out. So If I replace my keel bolts on the CAL 20 with ordinary steel bolts at approx 5.00 each and one day have to replace the beam with ordinary mild steel or other (dont know anything about grades of steel) I am betting that I can get at least 30 years out of the upgrades without any rust inhibitors added or treatment of the steel. (which of course I would not do without) I'm 50 something so guess I will have to worry about it again when Im 80. At that point if I'm still on the CAL 20 and CAL 29 I will go with whatever has not been invented yet, just to be a cool old fart sailing the latest technology on a good old boat that will be at least 60 years old at that point. Its simply the frugal and reasonable to go this route..:) Best always. /ch

I think the quote on SS beams ordered on mass was a boat buck. /ch

My beam is standard SA-36 carbon steel with a hot dip galvanizing applied. A bullet proof material would be 316L stainless. You might check out keel bolts/studs at www.mcmastercarr.com<http://www.mcmastercarr.com> to look for generics or http://www.mcmaster.com/#carpenter-20-threaded-studs/=8d02xs for exotics From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:50 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Greets Chris: What I meant is this. Let me give you an example. The replacement keel bolts for the CAL-20 are well lets say expensive because they are limited production and made of a particular formulation of SS. The same bolts in steal or a lower grade of SS are about the third of the cost locally. Now given that the original plane jane steel bolts lasted over thirty years, once could assume 30 years or equivalent years of usage of bolts of similar metal. Same can be said for the beam. Its originally made of a particular quality of steel and for two reason, one the drain from the shower and the drain from the cooler resulted in the beam rusting out as it was exposed to condensation, water and probably not treated in any shape or form to prevent rust buildup. It took 30 years to rust out. So If I replace my keel bolts on the CAL 20 with ordinary steel bolts at approx 5.00 each and one day have to replace the beam with ordinary mild steel or other (dont know anything about grades of steel) I am betting that I can get at least 30 years out of the upgrades without any rust inhibitors added or treatment of the steel. (which of course I would not do without) I'm 50 something so guess I will have to worry about it again when Im 80. At that point if I'm still on the CAL 20 and CAL 29 I will go with whatever has not been invented yet, just to be a cool old fart sailing the latest technology on a good old boat that will be at least 60 years old at that point. Its simply the frugal and reasonable to go this route..:) Best always. /ch

Thanks Tim...good references. /ch

chris123 wrote: > > > > I'm 50 something so guess I will have to worry about it again when Im > 80. At that point if I'm still on the CAL 20 and CAL 29 I will go with > whatever has not been invented yet, just to be a cool old fart sailing > the latest technology on a good old boat that will be at least 60 > years old at that point. > > Its simply the frugal and reasonable to go this route..:) > I'm about as cheap as they come, but in my old age I have come to appreciate the difference between doing something well and doing something just good enough. When it comes to important things like boats, I have been inclined to opt for better stuff that future owners may be able to enjoy. The original owner of my Cal 20 was a crusty old character but I still grin when I see his little touches, homemade things done well that I can enjoy. So I try to think about somebody in the future, looking back at my improvements or repairs and grinning because somebody went above & beyond to do it well. Some things fall into the "just good enough" category because they're pretty certain to be replaced as they wear out. But for keel bolts, I might be inclined to spend the small fortune for Steve Seal's fancy ones. (Please note: I don't have to actually make this choice because Steve talked me out of buying his bolts. How cool is that?). By the way, there were two intervening owners between the original guy and me. I found out who the original one was by accident, and he happened to be somebody I had known many years earlier. He was real sailor so I feel privileged to own his boat. I remember him sailing the boat, frequently & well and almost always with a "lady friend" along for the ride. Chris Campbell > >

When it comes to CAL 20 keel bolts, Steve and I are one the same page. When it comes to replacing the steel beam I think Tim and I are on the same page. This would save a ton of money to add all those nice little extra's that are actually functional and make sailing a dream as you so admirably describe. I think we are on the same page in that regard. Spend extra on refinements that enhance the sailing experience and refinement of the vessel. Personally I would like to put a harken traveller on my boat to get the main sheet where it should be. Thats another boat buck...:) Best always /ch

Me, too! Me, too! McMaster-Carr website is my bible. More stuff than you could imagine. Also, they are in NJ, and I can get ground cheapest shipping in Annapolis in one day. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question My beam is standard SA-36 carbon steel with a hot dip galvanizing applied. A bullet proof material would be 316L stainless. You might check out keel bolts/studs at www.mcmastercarr.com<http://www.mcmastercarr.com> to look for generics or http://www.mcmaster.com/#carpenter-20-threaded-studs/=8d02xs for exotics From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:50 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Greets Chris: What I meant is this. Let me give you an example. The replacement keel bolts for the CAL-20 are well lets say expensive because they are limited production and made of a particular formulation of SS. The same bolts in steal or a lower grade of SS are about the third of the cost locally. Now given that the original plane jane steel bolts lasted over thirty years, once could assume 30 years or equivalent years of usage of bolts of similar metal. Same can be said for the beam. Its originally made of a particular quality of steel and for two reason, one the drain from the shower and the drain from the cooler resulted in the beam rusting out as it was exposed to condensation, water and probably not treated in any shape or form to prevent rust buildup. It took 30 years to rust out. So If I replace my keel bolts on the CAL 20 with ordinary steel bolts at approx 5.00 each and one day have to replace the beam with ordinary mild steel or other (dont know anything about grades of steel) I am betting that I can get at least 30 years out of the upgrades without any rust inhibitors added or treatment of the steel. (which of course I would not do without) I'm 50 something so guess I will have to worry about it again when Im 80. At that point if I'm still on the CAL 20 and CAL 29 I will go with whatever has not been invented yet, just to be a cool old fart sailing the latest technology on a good old boat that will be at least 60 years old at that point. Its simply the frugal and reasonable to go this route..:) Best always. /ch

I have never seen a keel S.S. or galvanised the really needed replacment.. There are 8 of them! My Best, Mike From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 2:12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question When it comes to CAL 20 keel bolts, Steve and I are one the same page. When it comes to replacing the steel beam I think Tim and I are on the same page. This would save a ton of money to add all those nice little extra's that are actually functional and make sailing a dream as you so admirably describe. I think we are on the same page in that regard. Spend extra on refinements that enhance the sailing experience and refinement of the vessel. Personally I would like to put a harken traveller on my boat to get the main sheet where it should be. Thats another boat buck...:) Best always /ch

Jim, I collected both a photo and a drawing of the Cal 29 Stainless Steel beam replacement from others in the past and they are available on my website @ http://www.richardanderson.net/TechSavvy/CAL_BOATS.html in the Cal 29 section. The drawing has dimensions. Personally I think the stainless steel option is the best overall from a cost/reliability/simplicity perspective if you are comparing original steel, stainless, concrete, and carbon options. But I haven't had to deal with a beam issue in our 2-29 yet. Richard --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Jim Ives <newyork1952@...> wrote: > > > Greetings,,, > > Thank you for the information that was passed along about the "dreaded beam"! I appreciate the link and all the advice that was giving to check and to consider replacing the dreaded beam. In my initial investigation of the Cal 29, I had learned about this beam and came across a web site that had the demission's to make a replacement beam. I thought that I had booked marked the page, but apparently I did not. If anyone has the link, I would appreciate it very much if I could get it. I have visited both the link to Mr. Owen's site and the link from Mr. Virgalla and read the articles with the anticipation of replacing the beam. > > A couple more questions,,,, > > * Is there anyone that is in the business to make a carbon replacement, and is there any recommended businesses? > > * Is it hard to make your own carbon replacement for the beam? > > As I have not yet acquired (still in progress) the boat and have a survey done yet, I want to anticipate this needing to be done, so I can plan and schedule the winters' work. I want to again thank all for the words of wisdom and advice and encouragement about the Cal 29. Replacing the beam is not discouraging me at all and I still am looking forward to a lot of great sailing memories and making new friends! > > > > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: bruce@... > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:12:34 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question > > > > > > > If I ever had to do a "dreaded beam" replacement, I think I would opt for a carbon replacement, or a beam shaped block of concrete. Roger used to fabricate carbon parts, vacuum packed, and I am sure it would be stronger and never rust again. Concrete, as I once proposed, in a nice web shape with embedded bolts, gets stronger the more it is exposed to water. The weight increase would be more than justified, knowing you should never have to replace the beam again. Use high quality stainless bolts. Reinforce the beam with small rebar, or better yet, carbon. > > This was a nice link. Makes the whole project look about as hard as sanding and revarnishing the galley. > > > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Bob Virgalla <virgalla615@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jim > > a relatively easier approach to the beam replacement...if replacement is needed > > http://www.seven-cs.net/photo-gallery/cal-29-the-dreaded-beam > > > > > > > From: James <newyork1952@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:18:53 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question > > > Greetings,,, > > I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed reading the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and tight. > > I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for sometime and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable time exploring her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and and the legacy of Mr. Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the boat and hoping that she will roam the waters of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawerence River soon. The boat needs some tlc and have not found anything major to repair other than the rub rail which needs replacing. But from reading books and articles, I will get a "survey" of her very soon. > > My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew on the tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the southern shore of Lake Ontario. > > Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that was between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a raditator. The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I have been able to get some good pictures of it if anyone is interested. What is it? and what does it do? > > The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to invest some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) deisel engine. > > I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it deserves. From what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I want to thank Mr. David Owen in California for the time he took to read and answer my initial emails. I have also gotten some great ideas on how to possibly redo the interior of the boat from the other boat pics posted from this group. All your effort shows that you enjoy sailing your boats! > > I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo journal to share as well. > > Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward to the responses in my inbox! > > Happy Sailing! > > Regards, > > Jim Ives > Rochester, NY > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! 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Agreed..... The machinist that made my replacement beam told me that we wouldn't be standing there talking about it if Jensen had "hot dip galvanized" the beam instead of just spraying it with zinc paint. He quoted me $30 for the hot dip and urged me to do a regular steel beam. We ended up with stainless because he found a real cheap piece at another shop and I was in a hurry and the hot dip process involved shipping the new beam to Los Angeles and back. Wilkie On Aug 11, 2010, at 7:23 AM, chris123 wrote: > Working with carbon fibre is exceptionally difficult as its strength > is specific to how its laid up. There are a lot of forces on that > beam (vectors coming from at least three directions) so these would > all have to be considered in the layup. > > Honestly, these beams have last now 30 years in their original > configuration. A replacement using same materials should give us 30 > more years before it needs to be addresses, unless you are racing of > course. So old are most of us? ...;) My argument is that a simple > steel beam should service most of our needs. > > Best regards > > /ch > > > >

Others may disagree with me, but it is such a buyers market for boats that I would suggest one not buy a boat that needed a beam replacement. Wilkie On Aug 11, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Jim Ives wrote: > Greetings,,, > > Thank you for the information that was passed along about the > "dreaded beam"! I appreciate the link and all the advice that was > giving to check and to consider replacing the dreaded beam. In my > initial investigation of the Cal 29, I had learned about this beam > and came across a web site that had the demission's to make a > replacement beam. I thought that I had booked marked the page, but > apparently I did not. If anyone has the link, I would appreciate it > very much if I could get it. I have visited both the link to Mr. > Owen's site and the link from Mr. Virgalla and read the articles > with the anticipation of replacing the beam. > > A couple more questions,,,, > > * Is there anyone that is in the business to make a carbon > replacement, and is there any recommended businesses? > > * Is it hard to make your own carbon replacement for the beam? > > As I have not yet acquired (still in progress) the boat and have a > survey done yet, I want to anticipate this needing to be done, so I > can plan and schedule the winters' work. I want to again thank all > for the words of wisdom and advice and encouragement about the Cal > 29. Replacing the beam is not discouraging me at all and I still am > looking forward to a lot of great sailing memories and making new > friends! > > > Regards, > > Jim Ives > Rochester, NY > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: vi… [at] yahoo.com > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:51:25 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question > > > Jim > > a relatively easier approach to the beam replacement...if > replacement is needed > > http://www.seven-cs.net/photo-gallery/cal-29-the-dreaded-beam > > From: James <ne… [at] hotmail.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:18:53 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question > > Greetings,,, > > I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed > reading the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and > tight. > > I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for > sometime and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable > time exploring her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and > and the legacy of Mr. Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the > boat and hoping that she will roam the waters of Lake Ontario and > the St. Lawerence River soon. The boat needs some tlc and have not > found anything major to repair other than the rub rail which needs > replacing. But from reading books and articles, I will get a > "survey" of her very soon. > > My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew > on the tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the > southern shore of Lake Ontario. > > Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that > was between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a > raditator. The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I > have been able to get some good pictures of it if anyone is > interested. What is it? and what does it do? > > The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to > invest some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) > deisel engine. > > I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it > deserves. From what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I > want to thank Mr. David Owen in California for the time he took to > read and answer my initial emails. I have also gotten some great > ideas on how to possibly redo the interior of the boat from the > other boat pics posted from this group. All your effort shows that > you enjoy sailing your boats! > > I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo > journal to share as well. > > Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward > to the responses in my inbox! > > Happy Sailing! > > Regards, > > Jim Ives > Rochester, NY > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

I still have the original beam in my Cal 2-29 and she looks a bit rusty. I'm trying to put this task off for a couple more years. Quick question though, does the mast need to come off to ease up on the downward pressure when swapping out the old beam with the new beam. I imagine it would, or at least loosening the shrouds. Does anyone know? Thanks, Frans Cal 2-29 Hull# 956 Seattle, WA From: David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 7:21:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Agreed..... The machinist that made my replacement beam told me that we wouldn't be standing there talking about it if Jensen had "hot dip galvanized" the beam instead of just spraying it with zinc paint. He quoted me $30 for the hot dip and urged me to do a regular steel beam. We ended up with stainless because he found a real cheap piece at another shop and I was in a hurry and the hot dip process involved shipping the new beam to Los Angeles and back. Wilkie On Aug 11, 2010, at 7:23 AM, chris123 wrote: Working with carbon fibre is exceptionally difficult as its strength is specific to how its laid up. There are a lot of forces on that beam (vectors coming from at least three directions) so these would all have to be considered in the layup. > >Honestly, these beams have last now 30 years in their original configuration. A >replacement using same materials should give us 30 more years before it needs to >be addresses, unless you are racing of course. So old are most of us? ...;) My >argument is that a simple steel beam should service most of our needs. > >Best regards > >/ch > > >

I am looking around for the perfect working Jib for local cruising on the Cal 2-29. We are located in San Pedro, CA and the normal afternoon summer blow is 18-24. I have been using a borrowed 110? (foot =14 ' luff =34 leech=30'8") 6.5 or 7 oz. and with a reefed main this combination is very manageable. What are you guys using for cruising headsail in windy conditions? Wilke how is the blade and what % is it?? Other Q is it reasonable to replace hanks with a foil? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: chris123 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Comments in line: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:18 PM, James <ne… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: Greetings,,, I have just recently joined the Cal Boat group, and I have enjoyed reading the topics being posted. This group looks to be cohesive and tight. Its one of the best groups I belong too. Welcome on board. Im sure your going to enjoy the expertise you can find here. Bought my 29 last year. I have been looking at a Cal 2-29 that has been in it's cradle for sometime and the marina owner has allowed me to spend considerable time exploring her. I have come to learn a lot about Cal boats and and the legacy of Mr. Lapworth. I'm in the process of acquiring the boat and hoping that she will roam the waters of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawerence River soon. Do make sure that you come over the Canadian side in your travels. You can get a special pass that allows easy of entry at CA and US ports. Just check with the marina, they will sort this out for you as the rules on your side seem to change every year. Great Ports are Kingston, Picton, Sacketts Harbour, Sodus Bay, Grimsby Port Credit and of course Toronto is a must. I prefer the other end of the lake towards the mouth of the St.Lawrance for its quiantness and remoteness. The boat needs some tlc and have not found anything major to repair other than the rub rail which needs replacing. But from reading books and articles, I will get a "survey" of her very soon. My interest in sailing has been re-kindled since I started to crew on the tall ship "The Black Pearl" out of Olcott Harbor on the southern shore of Lake Ontario. If Im not mistaken does she now not reside on the Ottawa River wintering at one of the marinas in Ottawa? Anyway, while exploring the engine compartment, I saw a device that was between the engine and fuel tank. It was black, had a fan and a raditator. The raditatorwas pointed to the port side of the hull. I have been able to get some good pictures of it if anyone is interested. What is it? and what does it do? Send through the pictures and let the list look at it. Sounds like a home made heating system the uses the engines hot water similar to a car. Some A-4 afficionatoes play with there engines and do stuff like this. On the other hand, if the engine is water cooled, there are such mods for the A-4 then its the radiator to cool the coolant similar to your car. The boat has a Yanmar single cylinder engine (8hp), and I'm going to invest some money to re-power the boat with a Kubota Z482 (13.5) deisel engine. Best choice for a lifetime investment. There are several good dealers available and since I mentioned Moyers its safe to mention Beta Marine and Joe D who is also on this list. I'm excited to find such a fine boat and give it the tlc it deserves. From what I read from the group, it is a very fine boat. I want to thank Mr. David Owen in California for the time he took to read and answer my initial emails. I have also gotten some great ideas on how to possibly redo the interior of the boat from the other boat pics posted from this group. All your effort shows that you enjoy sailing your boats! I will post some before and after pics, and will keep a photo journal to share as well. That would be most interesting. Thank you all in advance for your help and I will be looking forward to the responses in my inbox! Looking forward to seeing you on Lake Ontario. Eventually my boat will get there and it will be summered at Picton Harbor and wintered at Port Credit Marina. As everyone has already mentioned the important stuff, some of the less major items to check are the boats electrical system and components, the plumbing system, and of course the sails and running rigging and furler if installed. Inland boats such as your typically have a race history as that what they were used for on Lake Ontario. Do check it carefully as they are wonderful keeper boats that are worth the investment in "getting her back" On the other hand such boats have not been exposed to salt and all the nasty stuff that generates. 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A little surface rust can be ignored indefinitely, but what you want to check for is flaking, rotting steel and the tabs that are bolted to the bulkhead. I have a buddy with a older Cal 29 that has been raced hard and put away wet. Ironically, his beam is in perfect condition. We were both pleasantly surprised.... It is not necessary to remove the mast if your bulkheads are sound and not being replaced or modified. Check carefully for water coming through the wiring loom and for rotted bulkhead near the top of the compression post. You definitely don't want to go to the expense of changing out the beam to discover later that the bulkhead isn't sound. Loosening the shrouds is easy and necessary, but I also recommend a temporary support post. A 4X4 with plywood end caps and appropriately sized shims will work fine. Place it about foot or so aft of the compression post. You can count the turns as you loosen each turnbuckle, but you should probably re-set your shroud tension anyway after installing a new beam as things will have moved (hopefuly for the better.) Wilkie On Aug 12, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Frans Sell wrote: > > I still have the original beam in my Cal 2-29 and she looks a bit > rusty. I'm trying to put this task off for a couple more years. > Quick question though, does the mast need to come off to ease up on > the downward pressure when swapping out the old beam with the new > beam. I imagine it would, or at least loosening the shrouds. Does > anyone know? > > Thanks, > > Frans > Cal 2-29 Hull# 956 > Seattle, WA > From: David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 7:21:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question > > > > > > > > Agreed..... > > > The machinist that made my replacement beam told me that we wouldn't > be standing there talking about it if Jensen had "hot dip > galvanized" the beam instead of just spraying it with zinc paint. > He quoted me $30 for the hot dip and urged me to do a regular steel > beam. We ended up with stainless because he found a real cheap > piece at another shop and I was in a hurry and the hot dip process > involved shipping the new beam to Los Angeles and back. > > Wilkie > > > > On Aug 11, 2010, at 7:23 AM, chris123 wrote: > >> Working with carbon fibre is exceptionally difficult as its >> strength is specific to how its laid up. There are a lot of forces >> on that beam (vectors coming from at least three directions) so >> these would all have to be considered in the layup. >> >> Honestly, these beams have last now 30 years in their original >> configuration. A replacement using same materials should give us 30 >> more years before it needs to be addresses, unless you are racing >> of course. So old are most of us? ...;) My argument is that a >> simple steel beam should service most of our needs. >> >> Best regards >> >> /ch >> >> >> > > > >

Chris, Before you spend those big bucks for Harken look at Garhauer. David Dobbs --- On Wed, 8/11/10, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 4:12 PM When it comes to CAL 20 keel bolts, Steve and I are one the same page. When it comes to replacing the steel beam I think Tim and I are on the same page. This would save a ton of money to add all those nice little extra's that are actually functional and make sailing a dream as you so admirably describe. I think we are on the same page in that regard. Spend extra on refinements that enhance the sailing experience and refinement of the vessel. Personally I would like to put a harken traveller on my boat to get the main sheet where it should be. Thats another boat buck...:) Best always /ch

David, I think if I needed to replace my beam I would remove the rig. We Great Lake sailors do it twice a year. Well, once up, once down. It's not that hard, especially with the single spreader boats. I get to inspect my tangs, sheves, fittings, replace bulbs, etc. with my feet on the ground. It's the best day of the year when you step in the spring, and the most meloncholy day in the fall when you unstep. These 2 days define my year. I have access to a club gin pole, operated by our club steward with minimal charges for stepping and unstepping; that's one of the reasons for belonging to our club, but we have a lot of fun throughout the season. Regards, David Dobbs Cal29 411 -- On Thu, 8/12/10, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question (beam) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 11:08 AM A little surface rust can be ignored indefinitely, but what you want to check for is flaking, rotting steel and the tabs that are bolted to the bulkhead. I have a buddy with a older Cal 29 that has been raced hard and put away wet. Ironically, his beam is in perfect condition. We were both pleasantly surprised... . It is not necessary to remove the mast if your bulkheads are sound and not being replaced or modified. Check carefully for water coming through the wiring loom and for rotted bulkhead near the top of the compression post. You definitely don't want to go to the expense of changing out the beam to discover later that the bulkhead isn't sound. Loosening the shrouds is easy and necessary, but I also recommend a temporary support post. A 4X4 with plywood end caps and appropriately sized shims will work fine. Place it about foot or so aft of the compression post. You can count the turns as you loosen each turnbuckle, but you should probably re-set your shroud tension anyway after installing a new beam as things will have moved (hopefuly for the better.) Wilkie On Aug 12, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Frans Sell wrote: I still have the original beam in my Cal 2-29 and she looks a bit rusty. I'm trying to put this task off for a couple more years. Quick question though, does the mast need to come off to ease up on the downward pressure when swapping out the old beam with the new beam. I imagine it would, or at least loosening the shrouds. Does anyone know? Thanks, Frans Cal 2-29 Hull# 956 Seattle, WA From: David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 7:21:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Agreed..... The machinist that made my replacement beam told me that we wouldn't be standing there talking about it if Jensen had "hot dip galvanized" the beam instead of just spraying it with zinc paint. He quoted me $30 for the hot dip and urged me to do a regular steel beam. We ended up with stainless because he found a real cheap piece at another shop and I was in a hurry and the hot dip process involved shipping the new beam to Los Angeles and back. Wilkie On Aug 11, 2010, at 7:23 AM, chris123 wrote: Working with carbon fibre is exceptionally difficult as its strength is specific to how its laid up. There are a lot of forces on that beam (vectors coming from at least three directions) so these would all have to be considered in the layup. Honestly, these beams have last now 30 years in their original configuration. A replacement using same materials should give us 30 more years before it needs to be addresses, unless you are racing of course. So old are most of us? ...;) My argument is that a simple steel beam should service most of our needs. Best regards /ch

I have a Garhauer traveler and recommend them. They will custom make them to fit your existing hole pattern or any pattern you want. Everything can be custom, lenght, deck curve, same price as far as I remember. They are a great company for any boat owner. Allen On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:50 PM, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Chris, > Before you spend those big bucks for Harken look at Garhauer. > David Dobbs > > > --- On *Wed, 8/11/10, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>* wrote: > > > From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 4:12 PM > > > When it comes to CAL 20 keel bolts, Steve and I are one the same page. When > it comes to replacing the steel beam I think Tim and I are on the same page. > This would save a ton of money to add all those nice little extra's that are > actually functional and make sailing a dream as you so admirably describe. I > think we are on the same page in that regard. Spend extra on refinements > that enhance the sailing experience and refinement of the vessel. > > Personally I would like to put a harken traveller on my boat to get the > main sheet where it should be. Thats another boat buck...:) > > > > Best always > > /ch > > > >

Thanks Dave. appreciate the input. It will be a while till the 20 get sorted. The 29 comes first. /ch

David, Yup. Definitely one of many advantages of a defined sailing season. Your rig also sees plenty of sweet water during sailing season, where we won't see rain for 7 to 8 months. My crew and I try our best to hose as much of the rig as we can after every sail. Wilkie Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless From: david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, Aug 12, 2010 22:45:01 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question (beam)(Wilkie) David, I think if I needed to replace my beam I would remove the rig. We Great Lake sailors do it twice a year. Well, once up, once down. It's not that hard, especially with the single spreader boats. I get to inspect my tangs, sheves, fittings, replace bulbs, etc. with my feet on the ground. It's the best day of the year when you step in the spring, and the most meloncholy day in the fall when you unstep. These 2 days define my year. I have access to a club gin pole, operated by our club steward with minimal charges for stepping and unstepping; that's one of the reasons for belonging to our club, but we have a lot of fun throughout the season. Regards, David Dobbs Cal29 411 -- On Thu, 8/12/10, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question (beam) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 11:08 AM A little surface rust can be ignored indefinitely, but what you want to check for is flaking, rotting steel and the tabs that are bolted to the bulkhead. I have a buddy with a older Cal 29 that has been raced hard and put away wet. Ironically, his beam is in perfect condition. We were both pleasantly surprised... . It is not necessary to remove the mast if your bulkheads are sound and not being replaced or modified. Check carefully for water coming through the wiring loom and for rotted bulkhead near the top of the compression post. You definitely don't want to go to the expense of changing out the beam to discover later that the bulkhead isn't sound. Loosening the shrouds is easy and necessary, but I also recommend a temporary support post. A 4X4 with plywood end caps and appropriately sized shims will work fine. Place it about foot or so aft of the compression post. You can count the turns as you loosen each turnbuckle, but you should probably re-set your shroud tension anyway after installing a new beam as things will have moved (hopefuly for the better.) Wilkie On Aug 12, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Frans Sell wrote: I still have the original beam in my Cal 2-29 and she looks a bit rusty. I'm trying to put this task off for a couple more years. Quick question though, does the mast need to come off to ease up on the downward pressure when swapping out the old beam with the new beam. I imagine it would, or at least loosening the shrouds. Does anyone know? Thanks, Frans Cal 2-29 Hull# 956 Seattle, WA From: David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 7:21:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 question Agreed..... The machinist that made my replacement beam told me that we wouldn't be standing there talking about it if Jensen had "hot dip galvanized" the beam instead of just spraying it with zinc paint. He quoted me $30 for the hot dip and urged me to do a regular steel beam. We ended up with stainless because he found a real cheap piece at another shop and I was in a hurry and the hot dip process involved shipping the new beam to Los Angeles and back. Wilkie On Aug 11, 2010, at 7:23 AM, chris123 wrote: Working with carbon fibre is exceptionally difficult as its strength is specific to how its laid up. There are a lot of forces on that beam (vectors coming from at least three directions) so these would all have to be considered in the layup. Honestly, these beams have last now 30 years in their original configuration. A replacement using same materials should give us 30 more years before it needs to be addresses, unless you are racing of course. So old are most of us? ...;) My argument is that a simple steel beam should service most of our needs. Best regards /ch