9 messages2010-08-14 11:50 through 2010-08-16 20:04 UTC
refinish deck
baumann_dean2010-08-14 11:50
Hello everyone.
I am new to group.
You people are active!
I bought a 1969 CAL 34 in May.
It is in great condition for a 41 year old boat
She has that wonderful aqua color on deck which says "I was born in 1969". The deck also needs some repair of cracks and minor chips in gelcoat. I would like to fill those and then perhaps repaint deck. Looking for advise. Thank you in advance.
Re: [Cal_Boats] refinish deck
Chris Campbell2010-08-16 14:00 UTC
baumann_dean wrote:
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> I bought a 1969 CAL 34 in May.
> It is in great condition for a 41 year old boat
> She has that wonderful aqua color on deck which says "I was born in
> 1969".
>
My Cal 20 is from 1967, and her olive sheer and boot-top stripes (and
the slight olive tint in her hull gelcoat) are even more emphatic about
her age. At first they kind of annoyed me, but after a while they
emerge as part of her personality. Mr. Lapworth's basic design is so
good, making boats with such good manners, that we can overlook some of
Mr. Jensen's aesthetic decisions. Besides, when I look back at my own
aesthetic decisions in 1967, it's hard to criticize others.
Chris Campbell
Re: [Cal_Boats] refinish deck
chris1232010-08-16 17:47 UTC
I was looking at family "sldes" over the weekend of our trip to Expo 67 in
Montreal. I can vouch for the change in taste part...:) Far to funny almost
gross. We all had a good laugh.
Sailing content: The Swedish pavilion used sails as wind breaks strung on
poles. I was oh so cool back then. Can ya dig it, man....:) Too funny. Thank
goodness that somethings change.
/ch
Re: [Cal_Boats] refinish deck
Chris Campbell2010-08-16 18:13 UTC
chris123 wrote:
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> I was looking at family "sldes" over the weekend of our trip to Expo
> 67 in Montreal. I can vouch for the change in taste part...:) Far to
> funny almost gross. We all had a good laugh.
>
> Sailing content: The Swedish pavilion used sails as wind breaks strung
> on poles. I was oh so cool back then. Can ya dig it, man....:) Too
> funny. Thank goodness that somethings change.
>
Luckily, sailing styles change less drastically and frequently than
personal appearance and clothing. There are few sailboats that provoke
absolute hilarity. Maybe it's because form follows function more in
sailing than in dress. If a boat won't sail efficiently, at least
reasonably so given its intended purpose, it will never sell. There are
some style variations, often related to rules, and most of us can spot
the CCA, IOR, and IRC boats. There's the Wetsnail 32 and its
lifeboat-derived category. There are other regional workboat-derived
vessels (sharpies, for example).
Powerboats tend to be less restrained by function, so we get these
various fiberglass castles, reaching upwards into the sky. Some of them
are as baroque as the cars of the 1950s and are going to look as silly
as the cars in a few years. The ability to create lots of curvy
surfaces in fiberglass has proved irresistible to the designers, who
create them without regard to need or to the efficient use of space.
Cat-eye windows seem to be the current style.
The olive stripes on my Cal 20 may date her, but they don't provoke
giggles and snorts (like pictures of me, my relatives, and friends from
the 1960s).
Chris Campbell
Re: [Cal_Boats] refinish deck
Bruce Stirling2010-08-16 18:31 UTC
http://www.sharpie.nl/fotoboek.htm
http://sharpies.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=4&Itemid=162
http://sharpies.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=162
These sharpies are a bit different from the ugly work boat variety. I had
one of these growing up in Brazil, where I learned to sail.
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Chris Campbell <
cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote:
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> chris123 wrote:
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> I was looking at family "sldes" over the weekend of our trip to Expo 67 in
> Montreal. I can vouch for the change in taste part...:) Far to funny almost
> gross. We all had a good laugh.
>
> Sailing content: The Swedish pavilion used sails as wind breaks strung on
> poles. I was oh so cool back then. Can ya dig it, man....:) Too funny. Thank
> goodness that somethings change.
>
>
> Luckily, sailing styles change less drastically and frequently than
> personal appearance and clothing. There are few sailboats that provoke
> absolute hilarity. Maybe it's because form follows function more in sailing
> than in dress. If a boat won't sail efficiently, at least reasonably so
> given its intended purpose, it will never sell. There are some style
> variations, often related to rules, and most of us can spot the CCA, IOR,
> and IRC boats. There's the Wetsnail 32 and its lifeboat-derived category.
> There are other regional workboat-derived vessels (sharpies, for example).
>
> Powerboats tend to be less restrained by function, so we get these various
> fiberglass castles, reaching upwards into the sky. Some of them are as
> baroque as the cars of the 1950s and are going to look as silly as the cars
> in a few years. The ability to create lots of curvy surfaces in fiberglass
> has proved irresistible to the designers, who create them without regard to
> need or to the efficient use of space. Cat-eye windows seem to be the
> current style.
>
> The olive stripes on my Cal 20 may date her, but they don't provoke giggles
> and snorts (like pictures of me, my relatives, and friends from the 1960s).
>
> Chris Campbell
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Re: [Cal_Boats] refinish deck
chris1232010-08-16 18:36 UTC
Comments in line....
Luckily, sailing styles change less drastically and frequently than personal
appearance and clothing. There are few sailboats that provoke absolute
hilarity. Maybe it's because form follows function more in sailing than in
dress. If a boat won't sail efficiently, at least reasonably so given its
intended purpose, it will never sell. There are some style variations,
often related to rules, and most of us can spot the CCA, IOR, and IRC
boats. There's the Wetsnail 32 and its lifeboat-derived category.
Hay....those are fight'n words brother...anything based on Colin Archer's
designs gets top notch rating in my book. Almost bought a Colin Archer
offshore prior to getting the 29. The deal fell through when the boat owner
based in the Caribbean refused to send me the hull numbers so I could run it
past homeland security in States as that would be the first point of entry.
Did not want a boat on a designated list. But she was a beauty and the price
was so good. Even had it inspected. I like those designs, and derivatives:
Aleleuja, Ingrids and the like. The westie is probably the poorest example
of the design in term of build quality.
There are other regional workboat-derived vessels (sharpies, for example).
On another list that I subscribe too there is a 60 something gent, who spend
a year sailing as far south as Venezuela on a Sharpie and has recently sold
his home and is headed to Africa. In total he has over 50 years of sailing
experience and just loves those boats.. Not for me. They look nice but.....
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> Powerboats tend to be less restrained by function, so we get these various
> fiberglass castles, reaching upwards into the sky. Some of them are as
> baroque as the cars of the 1950s and are going to look as silly as the cars
> in a few years. The ability to create lots of curvy surfaces in fiberglass
> has proved irresistible to the designers, who create them without regard
>
One of the things I noticed, one example being Island Packets, is that they
are now build to be marketed to woman. The theory is that if your spouse
likes the accoutrements below then she will allow hubbie to get his boy toy.
In a declining market this is not a bad strategy (how they get a Loyds deep
water certification I will never know, but that's the marketing lingo) as
its the same one Chrysler used when Iaccoca was in charge with the grant
from Nixon. The research done at that time by Chrysler was that in 70
percent of households in the US, woman made the purchasing decision, so the
original minivan was born. At the time I worked for Chrysler in the 80's
they were rolling them out in Windsor ON at 48 cars and hr, 362 days a year
with a profit margin after expenses so clear profit of 1000/unit US. Nice
recovery.
Wish we had visionaries like that today in both our countries. Ontario's
answer to the decline in auto plants (10 in total) is Ontario Lotto
Corporation and as of today, Ring Fighting. Now how cool is that...:)
> The olive stripes on my Cal 20 may date her, but they don't provoke giggles
> and snorts (like pictures of me, my relatives, and friends from the 1960s).
>
> Its a classic Chris, and there is a certain pride in owning a classic that
is well maintained, especially when it a labor of love.
Chris Campbell
>
Best regards
Chris H.
Re: [Cal_Boats] refinish deck
chris1232010-08-16 18:46 UTC
This is the boat model that he cruises with. A nice trailer sailer
except his had been stretched to 24 ft. and painted white. A glen-L
designed sharie;
http://www.glen-l.com/designs/sailboat/fancyfree.html
Nice boat but not my style.
/ch
Re: [Cal_Boats] refinish deck
Chris Campbell2010-08-16 20:02 UTC
Bruce Stirling wrote:
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> These sharpies are a bit different from the ugly work boat variety. I
> had one of these growing up in Brazil, where I learned to sail.
I didn't mean to suggest that workboat-derived vessels are ugly, just
that they are often readily identifiable as a category. Workboats are
where form most closely follows function, and that's usually a good
thing by my standards. There are few ugly sailboats. Some home-built
ones qualify and teach us why we depend on trained naval architects to
get things right. What was that really dismal sailboat from the '70s...
Buccaneer or something...but it's the exception that proves the rule.
Chris Campbell
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Re: [Cal_Boats] refinish deck
Chris Campbell2010-08-16 20:04 UTC
chris123 wrote:
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> Comments in line....
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> Luckily, sailing styles change less drastically and frequently than
> personal appearance and clothing. There are few sailboats that
> provoke absolute hilarity. Maybe it's because form follows function
> more in sailing than in dress. If a boat won't sail efficiently, at
> least reasonably so given its intended purpose, it will never sell.
> There are some style variations, often related to rules, and most of
> us can spot the CCA, IOR, and IRC boats. There's the Wetsnail 32 and
> its lifeboat-derived category.
>
> Hay....those are fight'n words brother...anything based on Colin
> Archer's designs gets top notch rating in my book. Almost bought a
> Colin Archer offshore prior to getting the 29.
>
Once again, I did not mean to say that these were ugly, just that they
are identifiable as a category. CCA vessels are another category and
they are lovely, as are (in my view) a lot of the IRC ones. Even to IOR
boats can look good if you avoid the most extreme design exercises.
Chris Campbell