CAL 29 winches

Greets: Was looking at video's on YouTube last night and took a look at Wilkie's Mariposa video again to get some ideas. I noticed two winches on the deck and an extra set of winches near the binnacle to allow the sheets to be adjusted from the helm. I was wondering, what is the size of the two sets? as the winches I looked at for the jib sheets all needed extra support brackets and that does not seem to be the case on Mariposa. Best regards and thanks -- /ch

Since no one has responded perhaps I asked the question incorrectly. I would like to put a second set of winches on my 3-29 in close proximity to the wheel to allow the boat to be single handed. At present the main winches are setup for two in cockpit. I would like to leave the expensive self tailing harken's in place and add a second set, not self tailing closer to the wheel. Does anyone have any recommendations on size and or models. As stated they do not have to be self tailing. Best regards and thanks /ch

I picked up a set of Barient winches on ebay . Check them out if you want used. If you want new, there is no question but get Andersen winches. One less wrap around the winch. That is to say, we do two wraps with the Andersen where we had to do 3 with the Barient. I have model 46s and they are more or less the same size as the Barient 22s I took off. Much smaller than the self tailing Andersen 46s. They work with my 155 which is probably about 20% larger than yours. It blows very hard here so the loads can be large. Allen On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:19 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > Since no one has responded perhaps I asked the question incorrectly. > > I would like to put a second set of winches on my 3-29 in close > proximity to the wheel to allow the boat to be single handed. At > present the main winches are setup for two in cockpit. I would like to > leave the expensive self tailing harken's in place and add a second > set, not self tailing closer to the wheel. Does anyone have any > recommendations on size and or models. As stated they do not have to > be self tailing. > > Best regards and thanks > > /ch > >

Whats the height, and base dia of the Barient's? I run a 135 but have a 150 in the kit which I doubt I will ever use. Had the 155 cut back to a 135 as my standard cruising jib on an old Famet furler which I really like. Simple and bullet proof. The Famit allows for two sails to be mounted so once I get proficient at it, the intend is to sail two 135's (will require an additional sail to be purchased) down wind on whisker poles, no main, rather then a spinnaker as that's a bugger to setup single handed. The Famit will need a part custom made but that's not too difficult. But that's down the road somewhat. At this time the priority is get a second set of winches so as to be able to handle the jib sheets from the wheel and hopefully without the need of an additional SS bracket as there is not much meat back there to mount them. I saw on U-tube Wilkies setup and it appears that he has two sets as well and does not use an additional bracket to support the winch. Hence the question. Best regards and thanks. /ch

Chris, I've been out and about all day, but I did stop by the boat and take some photos that may help you. I didn't have a tape measure, but you can find Lewmar's web site for exploded drawings and dimensions. A friend sold me a set of used #16 self-tailing Lewmars to use on my cabin top and I found I liked the self tailing far better than I suspected I would. So I talked to Defender and they had close-outs on the Lewmar 34 self tailing winches and gave me a killer price on the 40s as well so I popped out the old visa card and said what the heck. They are radically more powerful than the Barients 22s and 21sa that I was using before, since they have gearing in both directions. When I bought the boat she had a pair of Barient 18s for primaries and Barient 10s for secondaries. I don't know how I was ever strong enough to grind those guys. There are times with the 155 deck- sweeeper when you have to be in grind position to manage even these guys, but I am getting old and increasingly infirm so more winch is better winch. I set the 40s up in the primary position for my race crew to use on the 155, and I mounted the 34s to use at the helm. I shoved them back as close as I could get without having the mounting base hang over the edge of the coaming top. The drums hang over very slightly, which has no drawbacks that I've found yet after 3 years of sailing with them. As I recall, both winches have the same sized drum and base, just different gearing internals. I didn't want to mount the secondary winches any farther back for two reasons: 1) I wanted my crew to be able to reach them for their original secondary use, which was for the spinnaker. This is less necessary than I thought because our racing style has evolved to using the cabin- top winches for the spinnaker trimmer. 2) I also like to sit on the coaming adjacent to the wheel, so it's nice to have butt-room and the winches a little forward of there. For what it's worth, if I only had one set of self-tailers I would make them closest to the helm where I could use them for single handing. Wilkie On Aug 12, 2010, at 7:19 PM, chris123 wrote: > Since no one has responded perhaps I asked the question incorrectly. > > I would like to put a second set of winches on my 3-29 in close > proximity to the wheel to allow the boat to be single handed. At > present the main winches are setup for two in cockpit. I would like to > leave the expensive self tailing harken's in place and add a second > set, not self tailing closer to the wheel. Does anyone have any > recommendations on size and or models. As stated they do not have to > be self tailing. > > Best regards and thanks > > /ch > >

Thanks for taking the time and forgive my impatience. Its been a testy day to a degree. P'd me off when I went to check water levels. Lake Ontario is 2 ft below datum and Georgian Bay (part of Lake Huron) where I went to visit a marina in the afternoon I knew in my youth is approx 2.2-2.5 below datum. This can really mess with you....if you let it get to you..:) Your comments are dead on. The big decision for me is going to be how to setup the boat. I have a nice pair of harkens ST dual speed model no escapes me, but they are set in the primary position so not accessible from the helm. They are too wide at the base however to bring back to the helm position without adding a SS brace or other. As you know there is not much meat back there. Then again from what I see in the pics, it just may be possible pending on location of the holes to be drilled. Everything will be back plated of course with metal. The other complicating factor but to a lesser degree, is that the engine panel is going to be relocated from the base of cockpit to the side of the seat back near the helm out of the water probably on starboard. Lines can get in the way so winch placement needs to be considered or a way to make a cover snag proof. I did work out a solution for the morse controls i plan to add, so the lines dont get caught. Simply spin out the handles when not in use and place in a suitably located rubber winch handle pocket. I am not going to rebuild the binnacle. Nope!!...:) I really want to close up that cockpit and make it water tight (hence the earlier questions on drainage holes and expanding them to two inches) Currently there is an engine panel, one AC input and one Phone Input jack all at or below the water line if she gets pooped. I see your AC fitting is in the proper location. Luckily BB came with Steve S's mast base plate installed so all the basic infrastructure is there to bring it all back to the cockpit. Which brings the discussion back to winches. I can relocate the existing to the helm and make it a true solo boat, or I can add a second set and keep the options open for crew. Tough decisions.....as the visa is starting to get max'd...:) The newly installed Raymarine autopilot should take care of any need to move forward in confidence and deal with the lines at deck level and winches placed there. Thanks for the pictures. I get totally envious every time i see any aspect of Mariposa. Of course I have a ton more question but trying really hard to keep it on topic. One more if I may. Did the drain holes below the AC fitting come stock or did you add them when you redid the boat? Best regards and thanks again for the details. Its appreciated. Gonna take the time to study this post in detail. Again...tks. /ch

Chris, I got crazy one day and ground off the flange that joined my deck and hull. Glassed it back with epoxy and tri-axial cloth. Lots of fairing skills were learned on this job. It was a crazy project that cost way too much and probably shortened my life a bit. One of the by- products of this project was that I thought the scuppers would look stupid without the rub-rails so I glassed them in and put drains on the side decks as you see them in those photos. The drains connect to stiff hoses that are routed inside the lazarette to where they join a "T" just in front of the scupper box. This then joins a through-hull fitting that drains into the scupper box and out. That big "t" fitting sits between the quadrant and scupper box, but is clear of any contact and does not interfere with adjusting the stuffing box or quadrant cables. This is not a very practical arrangement in many ways, but it looks absolutely great. My fears that it would add too much water to the cockpit sole in heavy conditions have not translated into any kind of problem. That scupper works very well. Some would feel that it isn't big enough to clear fast enough and I was prepared to make it bigger if needed. The level rises higher in the scupper as the boat squats at hull speed, but it doesn't really get any higher than that level (so far.) I have had waves break into the cockpit over the quarter but nothing much over ankle deep, which drains very fast. Wilkie On Aug 12, 2010, at 9:38 PM, chris123 wrote: > Thanks for taking the time and forgive my impatience. > > Its been a testy day to a degree. P'd me off when I went to check > water levels. Lake Ontario is 2 ft below datum and Georgian Bay > (part of Lake Huron) where I went to visit a marina in the afternoon > I knew in my youth is approx 2.2-2.5 below datum. This can really > mess with you....if you let it get to you..:) > > Your comments are dead on. The big decision for me is going to be > how to setup the boat. I have a nice pair of harkens ST dual speed > model no escapes me, but they are set in the primary position so not > accessible from the helm. They are too wide at the base however to > bring back to the helm position without adding a SS brace or other. > As you know there is not much meat back there. Then again from what > I see in the pics, it just may be possible pending on location of > the holes to be drilled. Everything will be back plated of course > with metal. > > The other complicating factor but to a lesser degree, is that the > engine panel is going to be relocated from the base of cockpit to > the side of the seat back near the helm out of the water probably on > starboard. Lines can get in the way so winch placement needs to be > considered or a way to make a cover snag proof. > > I did work out a solution for the morse controls i plan to add, so > the lines dont get caught. Simply spin out the handles when not in > use and place in a suitably located rubber winch handle pocket. I am > not going to rebuild the binnacle. Nope!!...:) > > I really want to close up that cockpit and make it water tight > (hence the earlier questions on drainage holes and expanding them to > two inches) Currently there is an engine panel, one AC input and one > Phone Input jack all at or below the water line if she gets pooped. > I see your AC fitting is in the proper location. > > Luckily BB came with Steve S's mast base plate installed so all the > basic infrastructure is there to bring it all back to the cockpit. > Which brings the discussion back to winches. I can relocate the > existing to the helm and make it a true solo boat, or I can add a > second set and keep the options open for crew. Tough > decisions.....as the visa is starting to get max'd...:) The newly > installed Raymarine autopilot should take care of any need to move > forward in confidence and deal with the lines at deck level and > winches placed there. > > Thanks for the pictures. I get totally envious every time i see any > aspect of Mariposa. Of course I have a ton more question but trying > really hard to keep it on topic. One more if I may. > > Did the drain holes below the AC fitting come stock or did you add > them when you redid the boat? > > Best regards and thanks again for the details. Its appreciated. > Gonna take the time to study this post in detail. > > Again...tks. > > /ch > > >

chris123 wrote: > > > Thanks for taking the time and forgive my impatience. > > Its been a testy day to a degree. P'd me off when I went to check > water levels. Lake Ontario is 2 ft below datum and Georgian Bay (part > of Lake Huron) where I went to visit a marina in the afternoon I knew > in my youth is approx 2.2-2.5 below datum. This can really mess with > you....if you let it get to you..:) > Hold on... the Michigan-Huron levels are 12 inches below the long-term August average levels, but still 10 inches _above_ chart datum, as shown here: http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/greatlakes/hh/greatlakeswaterlevels/waterlevelforecasts/weeklygreatlakeswaterlevels/ It shows Ontario to be 31 inches over chart datum and 2 inches above the long-term average. Other interesting water level data are available here: http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/data/now/wlevels/levels.html I have lived through both the recorded high and recorded low levels on Lakes Michigan & Huron. We're 44 inches below the 1986 high record, and 20 inches above the 1964 recorded low. The difference between the high and low levels is 64 inches (5 feet 4 inches). That's a vast amount of water. It's an interesting lesson to have experienced the highs and lows. It teaches that what you regard as normal is based on what you experienced in a short time span, and may not be "normal" at all. Ask those people who built houses near the shore during the low water periods. On my other boat, the depth sounder died during the high water times. I did not replace it because I could sail anywhere the chart showed water. Then the water levels receded and I had to buy a new sounder. Some of you Cal sailors have probably not seen the Great Lakes. They are an astonishing resource. We've managed to foul a lot of our rivers and bays, but the big lakes themselves are still remarkably clean. It is always a moving experience to be out in the open water and see the bow parting that wonderful clear fresh water. I cannot imagine living away from the water. Chris Campbell >

I have 2 st andersons next to the wheel on my 31. I really like the st for singlehanding. Otherwise you have to use both hands to trim. Harleigh From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> Sender: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:19:10 To: CAL<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 29 winches Since no one has responded perhaps I asked the question incorrectly. I would like to put a second set of winches on my 3-29 in close proximity to the wheel to allow the boat to be single handed. At present the main winches are setup for two in cockpit. I would like to leave the expensive self tailing harken's in place and add a second set, not self tailing closer to the wheel. Does anyone have any recommendations on size and or models. As stated they do not have to be self tailing. Best regards and thanks /ch

This is a real tough one Chris. While the data shows what is shows, as time permits will see if I can track down sources from our side of the border just to compare stations, the marina operators are telling me different stories. At Grand Bend (Georgian Bay) where I used to park on the beach as a kid, went there yesterday and its condo city now. The docks require you to crawl up a 4-5 ft ladder at all slips and the marina operators are "very annoyed" as they were only placed 2 years ago. At Grimsby ON, the marina I went to told me the same story. Ontario started out about 3 ft lower then "normal" for the spring and so they had to privately and quietly dredge the channel to allow the boats to get in. The water level was sill 1-2 feet below normal So while the empirical data suggests that water levels are typical for the period, operators tell me its atypical and are taking corrective measures independently to remain operational. 4' max whereas it used to be 6' in the channel. The implication is that my 29 would not make it into marinas on the S shore of the CDN side of Lake Ontario, the western shore is good as well as the northern shore as there are historical harbours along those shores with deep entrances. Time to get a reliable depth gauge...:) Wrt your comments on the Great Lakes, they are incredible bodies of water that remain virtually untapped for sailing if you know where to go. /ch

chris123 wrote: > > > This is a real tough one Chris. While the data shows what is shows, as > time permits will see if I can track down sources from our side of the > border just to compare stations, the marina operators are telling me > different stories. > > At Grand Bend (Georgian Bay) where I used to park on the beach as a > kid, went there yesterday and its condo city now. The docks require > you to crawl up a 4-5 ft ladder at all slips and the marina operators > are "very annoyed" as they were only placed 2 years ago. > Remember that there are two types of regular fluctuation--the long-term and the seasonal (and then there's a third, weather-induced temporary changes). The annual cycle can be viewed here: > http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/_kd/Items/actions.cfm?action=Show&item_id=3885&destination=ShowItem The usual annual pattern is to bottom out in February (winter evaporation plus diminished input from precipitation over land) and to peak in July, when the snowmelt finally migrates through the groundwater and into the lakes. If you superimpose the long-term changes and the seasonal cycle, you can get periods when the departure from chart datum is more or less than it is right now. Chris Campbell >

Ok...the light is starting to come on.... Thanks Chris. /ch

For your boat I think these are the two Anderson options you should consider. Name Model Drum (mm) Base (mm) Gear Ratio 1st gear Gear Ratio 2nd gear Power Ratio 1st gear Power Ratio 2nd gear Standard 28 70 124 1.0:1 4.0:1 7.1:1 28.6:1 Standard 40 76 136 1.0:1 6.4:1 6.5:1 42.5:1 If you decide to go with new Andersens let me know. I might be able to get you a deal on them. Regards, Wayne From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 12:38:03 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 29 winches Thanks for taking the time and forgive my impatience. Its been a testy day to a degree. P'd me off when I went to check water levels. Lake Ontario is 2 ft below datum and Georgian Bay (part of Lake Huron) where I went to visit a marina in the afternoon I knew in my youth is approx 2.2-2.5 below datum. This can really mess with you....if you let it get to you..:) Your comments are dead on. The big decision for me is going to be how to setup the boat. I have a nice pair of harkens ST dual speed model no escapes me, but they are set in the primary position so not accessible from the helm. They are too wide at the base however to bring back to the helm position without adding a SS brace or other. As you know there is not much meat back there. Then again from what I see in the pics, it just may be possible pending on location of the holes to be drilled. Everything will be back plated of course with metal. The other complicating factor but to a lesser degree, is that the engine panel is going to be relocated from the base of cockpit to the side of the seat back near the helm out of the water probably on starboard. Lines can get in the way so winch placement needs to be considered or a way to make a cover snag proof. I did work out a solution for the morse controls i plan to add, so the lines dont get caught. Simply spin out the handles when not in use and place in a suitably located rubber winch handle pocket. I am not going to rebuild the binnacle. Nope!!...:) I really want to close up that cockpit and make it water tight (hence the earlier questions on drainage holes and expanding them to two inches) Currently there is an engine panel, one AC input and one Phone Input jack all at or below the water line if she gets pooped. I see your AC fitting is in the proper location. Luckily BB came with Steve S's mast base plate installed so all the basic infrastructure is there to bring it all back to the cockpit. Which brings the discussion back to winches. I can relocate the existing to the helm and make it a true solo boat, or I can add a second set and keep the options open for crew. Tough decisions.....as the visa is starting to get max'd...:) The newly installed Raymarine autopilot should take care of any need to move forward in confidence and deal with the lines at deck level and winches placed there. Thanks for the pictures. I get totally envious every time i see any aspect of Mariposa. Of course I have a ton more question but trying really hard to keep it on topic. One more if I may. Did the drain holes below the AC fitting come stock or did you add them when you redid the boat? Best regards and thanks again for the details. Its appreciated. Gonna take the time to study this post in detail. Again...tks. /ch

Looked at those and considered the Model 28 due to size limitation in terms of mounting space. Then again to get them where they would be comfortable I still would need to move them further back and build a SS bracket. You know one hand on the wheel and one on the winch. If that were the case then the 40's would be the preferred choice. So in summary, I have not made up my mind yet. If its not to much trouble at your end, if you would be so kind to send me on or off list an idea of pricing that may influence the decision. The alternative is go used from several available sources but stuff like this is either hit or miss when purchased used and on line so its not a preferred option. Not many used outlets bricks and mortar places around here. Many thanks and best regards Chris H.

really have enjoyed my ARCO Self Tailing winches. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ch… [at] gmail.com Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:17:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 29 winches Looked at those and considered the Model 28 due to size limitation in terms of mounting space. Then again to get them where they would be comfortable I still would need to move them further back and build a SS bracket. You know one hand on the wheel and one on the winch. If that were the case then the 40's would be the preferred choice. So in summary, I have not made up my mind yet. If its not to much trouble at your end, if you would be so kind to send me on or off list an idea of pricing that may influence the decision. The alternative is go used from several available sources but stuff like this is either hit or miss when purchased used and on line so its not a preferred option. Not many used outlets bricks and mortar places around here. Many thanks and best regards Chris H.

I have bought 4 winches off ebay and other than needing cleaning and grease, they were fine. I would recommend sticking with stainless steel winches if you are going used. They come and go so you have to look at the listings all the time. I think they come mostly from boats that are being scrapped for parts. Allen On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:17 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > Looked at those and considered the Model 28 due to size limitation in terms > of mounting space. Then again to get them where they would be comfortable I > still would need to move them further back and build a SS bracket. You know > one hand on the wheel and one on the winch. If that were the case then the > 40's would be the preferred choice. > > So in summary, I have not made up my mind yet. If its not to much trouble > at your end, if you would be so kind to send me on or off list an idea of > pricing that may influence the decision. The alternative is go used from > several available sources but stuff like this is either hit or miss when > purchased used and on line so its not a preferred option. Not many used > outlets bricks and mortar places around here. > > Many thanks and best regards > > Chris H. > > > >

Chris, We have a set of winches in line with the traveler, you can see the second set near the bottom of this photo. http://www.flickr.com/photos/techsavvy/2629676986/in/set-72157600056798499/ We have only used them for the spinnaker so far but we've never singlehanded. The previous owner did singlehand the boat though. I don't have a way to check right now but I seem to remember the rear winches were Barient 12s but I want to verify that. Richard --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, chris123 <chris.herrnberger@...> wrote: > > Whats the height, and base dia of the Barient's? > > > I run a 135 but have a 150 in the kit which I doubt I will ever use. Had the > 155 cut back to a 135 as my standard cruising jib on an old Famet furler > which I really like. Simple and bullet proof. > > The Famit allows for two sails to be mounted so once I get proficient at it, > the intend is to sail two 135's (will require an additional sail to be > purchased) down wind on whisker poles, no main, rather then a spinnaker as > that's a bugger to setup single handed. The Famit will need a part custom > made but that's not too difficult. But that's down the road somewhat. > > At this time the priority is get a second set of winches so as to be able to > handle the jib sheets from the wheel and hopefully without the need of an > additional SS bracket as there is not much meat back there to mount them. I > saw on U-tube Wilkies setup and it appears that he has two sets as well and > does not use an additional bracket to support the winch. Hence the question. > > > Best regards and thanks. > > /ch >

Interesting. So who owns the German Shepard? /ch On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:31 PM, wirelessmonster < ri… [at] richardanderson.net> wrote: > > > Chris, > > We have a set of winches in line with the traveler, you can see the second > set near the bottom of this photo. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/techsavvy/2629676986/in/set-72157600056798499/ >

The German is my friend's dog... She's a little too big and not quite flexible enough to be comfortable on our Cal 2-29. We have an Aussie who is a bit smaller and more flexible. She curls up pretty well on the cockpit seats even though she's still about 50lbs. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, chris123 <chris.herrnberger@...> wrote: > > Interesting. So who owns the German Shepard? > > /ch > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:31 PM, wirelessmonster < > richard@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > We have a set of winches in line with the traveler, you can see the second > > set near the bottom of this photo. > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/techsavvy/2629676986/in/set-72157600056798499/ > > >

Chris, I found some photos on my old cell phone... The rear winches are Enkes 12s. So I had the number right. The forward primary winches are Barient 21s. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "wirelessmonster" <richard@...> wrote: > > The German is my friend's dog... She's a little too big and not quite flexible enough to be comfortable on our Cal 2-29. We have an Aussie who is a bit smaller and more flexible. She curls up pretty well on the cockpit seats even though she's still about 50lbs. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, chris123 <chris.herrnberger@> wrote: > > > > Interesting. So who owns the German Shepard? > > > > /ch > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:31 PM, wirelessmonster < > > richard@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > We have a set of winches in line with the traveler, you can see the second > > > set near the bottom of this photo. > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/techsavvy/2629676986/in/set-72157600056798499/ > > > > > >

To put sizes in relative order, for me at least, my prior secondaries were Barient 21s. I had Barient 18s, and they made single handing a real headache. Remember that you are trying to avoid putting your body in a proper grinding position as you want to stay near (actually behind or beside) the wheel. Wilkie Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless From: wirelessmonster <ri… [at] richardanderson.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 19:48:07 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 29 winches Chris, I found some photos on my old cell phone... The rear winches are Enkes 12s. So I had the number right. The forward primary winches are Barient 21s. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "wirelessmonster" <richard@...> wrote: > > The German is my friend's dog... She's a little too big and not quite flexible enough to be comfortable on our Cal 2-29. We have an Aussie who is a bit smaller and more flexible. She curls up pretty well on the cockpit seats even though she's still about 50lbs. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, chris123 <chris.herrnberger@> wrote: > > > > Interesting. So who owns the German Shepard? > > > > /ch > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:31 PM, wirelessmonster < > > richard@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > We have a set of winches in line with the traveler, you can see the second > > > set near the bottom of this photo. > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/techsavvy/2629676986/in/set-72157600056798499/ > > > > > >

http://picasaweb.google.ca/chris.herrnberger/RockHall#5405572043938371074 Favorite position, winter and summer..most times she has a PFD on as well as it was not a joy going in after her three times in the winter in Rock Hall. As sure footed as she is, the iced up finger dock gave her a hard time so over she went. And guess who had to give chase. At 65 lbs that requires a lot of strong arming to lift her with one hand from the water line to the rear coming so eventually she learned to climb up the boarding ladder with me pushing her butt. Motivation was me and the water temp..:) Otherwise great company. /ch

Yes exactly!! and there in lies that challenge and the design requirement. Many thanks /ch On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:53 PM, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote: > > > To put sizes in relative order, for me at least, my prior secondaries were > Barient 21s. I had Barient 18s, and they made single handing a real > headache. Remember that you are trying to avoid putting your body in a > proper grinding position as you want to stay near (actually behind or > beside) the wheel. > > Wilkie > > *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless* > > > -----Original message----- > > *From: *wirelessmonster <ri… [at] richardanderson.net>* > To: *Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > * > Sent: *Mon, Aug 16, 2010 19:48:07 GMT+00:00* > Subject: *[Cal_Boats] Re: CAL 29 winches > > > > Chris, > > I found some photos on my old cell phone... The rear winches are Enkes 12s. > So I had the number right. The forward primary winches are Barient 21s. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, > "wirelessmonster" <richard@...> wrote: > > > > The German is my friend's dog... She's a little too big and not quite > flexible enough to be comfortable on our Cal 2-29. We have an Aussie who is > a bit smaller and more flexible. She curls up pretty well on the cockpit > seats even though she's still about 50lbs. > > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, chris123 > <chris.herrnberger@> wrote: > > > > > > Interesting. So who owns the German Shepard? > > > > > > /ch > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:31 PM, wirelessmonster < > > > richard@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > > > We have a set of winches in line with the traveler, you can see the > second > > > > set near the bottom of this photo. > > > > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/techsavvy/2629676986/in/set-72157600056798499/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- /ch