Challenges (Donald)

In a message dated 8/24/2010 11:43:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dn… [at] sbcglobal.net writes: While I understand that the "pure joy" is better shared, doing these sails alone give me the chance to communicate the joy to those I care about. The ones who truly "get me" understand what I am saying. Those who don't are usually amongst those folks I know who "look down" on my camping, my sailing, the long bike rides, that bring me joy when I need it the most. I admit that I don't understand them as much as they don't get me. I agree. Great to share the joy but a real rush and sense of accomplishment to take on challenges alone and succeed. I don't have much use for people who lead sheltered lives although compared to you and several others on this list I have hardly been challenged as of yet. Paul

I couldn't of said it better  Sailing, biking and hiking. However, my other passion is kayaking.  -- Sent from my Palm Pixi On Aug 24, 2010 19:21, pw… [at] aol.com <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote:   In a message dated 8/24/2010 11:43:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dn… [at] sbcglobal.net writes: While I understand that the "pure joy" is better shared, doing these sails alone give me the chance to communicate the joy to those I care about.  The ones who truly "get me" understand what I am saying.  Those who don't are usually amongst those folks I know who "look down" on my camping, my sailing, the long bike rides, that bring me joy when I need it the most.  I admit that I don't understand them as much as they don't get me.  I agree.  Great to share the joy but a real rush and sense of accomplishment to take on challenges alone and succeed.  I don't have much use for people who lead sheltered lives although compared to you and several others on this list I have hardly been challenged as of yet.   Paul

On Aug 24, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Randall Alcorn wrote: > I couldn't of said it better Sailing, biking and hiking. However, > my other passion is kayaking. > When my son was applying to college, he had to write an essay on some significant experience he had had in his 17 years of life. I asked him what he thought the subject should be and we both decided that his sailing to Hawaii with me the summer he was 16 would be the best choice. He was one of a crew of seven, stood his watches, drove the boat in the squalls and we almost won. The rest of the crew wasn't that much older except for me and one other guy who was 30. His high school counselor was outraged at his choice and asked him if he really wanted to get into college. I suppose a peace march or working in a homeless kitchen was what they had in mind. He is on the list and may want to comment. I think that sort of counseling may have gotten us into the situation the country is in. Mike Kennedy > > > > -- Sent from my Palm Pixi > > On Aug 24, 2010 19:21, pw… [at] aol.com <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/24/2010 11:43:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dn… [at] sbcglobal.net > writes: > While I understand that the "pure joy" is better shared, doing these > sails alone give me the chance to communicate the joy to those I > care about. The ones who truly "get me" understand what I am > saying. Those who don't are usually amongst those folks I know who > "look down" on my camping, my sailing, the long bike rides, that > bring me joy when I need it the most. I admit that I don't > understand them as much as they don't get me. > I agree. Great to share the joy but a real rush and sense of > accomplishment to take on challenges alone and succeed. I don't > have much use for people who lead sheltered lives although compared > to you and several others on this list I have hardly been challenged > as of yet. > > Paul > > >

Michael Kennedy wrote: > On Aug 24, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Randall Alcorn wrote: > > >> I couldn't of said it better Sailing, biking and hiking. However, >> my other passion is kayaking. >> >> > > When my son was applying to college, he had to write an essay on some > significant experience he had had in his 17 years of life. I asked him > what he thought the subject should be and we both decided that his > sailing to Hawaii with me the summer he was 16 would be the best > choice. He was one of a crew of seven, stood his watches, drove the > boat in the squalls and we almost won. The rest of the crew wasn't > that much older except for me and one other guy who was 30. > > His high school counselor was outraged at his choice and asked him if > he really wanted to get into college. I suppose a peace march or > working in a homeless kitchen was what they had in mind. He is on the > list and may want to comment. I think that sort of counseling may have > gotten us into the situation the country is in. > By the time I was 17 my greatest challenge had been....geez, what? Maybe taking the skateboard to school one day (inside) and getting them banned the next day? Sailing to Hawaii would have been a BIG experience for this kid. (Still would be for this old guy now). Maybe he presented his choice to the counselor in an ineffective or incomplete way, so that the inherent personal challenge wasn't evident. I'm curious about that. Or maybe the counselor was a golfer. Chris Campbell

On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Chris Campbell wrote: > Michael Kennedy wrote: > >> On Aug 24, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Randall Alcorn wrote: >> snipped >> > > By the time I was 17 my greatest challenge had been....geez, what? > Maybe taking the skateboard to school one day (inside) and getting > them banned the next day? Sailing to Hawaii would have been a BIG > experience for this kid. (Still would be for this old guy now). > > Maybe he presented his choice to the counselor in an ineffective or > incomplete way, so that the inherent personal challenge wasn't > evident. I'm curious about that. Or maybe the counselor was a > golfer. Bill Snaith, whose two books on sailing across the Atlantic should be in every sailor's library, had no more harsh epithet that to call someone a golfer. On the other hand, I've been playing golf since age 9 and my handicap, when I had to give it up at age 70, was 9. Mike Kennedy > > Chris Campbell > > >

Michael Kennedy wrote: > > > Bill Snaith, whose two books on sailing across the Atlantic should be > in every sailor's library, had no more harsh epithet that to call > someone a golfer. > Mr. Snaith is undoubtedly a gentleman of the most acute intelligence & perception. Chris Campbell >

I'm with you, Mike. I love to play golf and played to a 12 handicap until I bought my Cal 29. I had a driving range between work and the house an hit a bucket 3 times a week and played on the weekend. I love walking the course knowing that I don't have to cut any of the grass. I now live on the Chesapeake Bay, sail nearly every weekend and hope to break 100 the two or three times a year that I make it to the course. I still love to play but I would rather sail. I spent too much time in Sabots and Lido 14's in front of the Balboa Pavilion and dodging the ferry. Trying to get back to my youth. Les Hester T34c #198 Sable Swan Creek, Md. From: Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com> To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:40:55 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Challenges (Donald) On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Chris Campbell wrote: > Michael Kennedy wrote: > >> On Aug 24, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Randall Alcorn wrote: >> snipped >> > > By the time I was 17 my greatest challenge had been....geez, what? > Maybe taking the skateboard to school one day (inside) and getting > them banned the next day? Sailing to Hawaii would have been a BIG > experience for this kid. (Still would be for this old guy now). > > Maybe he presented his choice to the counselor in an ineffective or > incomplete way, so that the inherent personal challenge wasn't > evident. I'm curious about that. Or maybe the counselor was a > golfer. Bill Snaith, whose two books on sailing across the Atlantic should be in every sailor's library, had no more harsh epithet that to call someone a golfer. On the other hand, I've been playing golf since age 9 and my handicap, when I had to give it up at age 70, was 9. Mike Kennedy > > Chris Campbell > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

I think that it is interesting that this has begun to spark the golf/sailing debate. I (like many of you) used to play golf regularly and very much enjoy every moment on the course. Golf, like sailing, is a sport (activity) that one can learn in a quick weekend but spend a lifetime attempting to master. I always thought that these two regularly attracted people of similar personalities for that reason. After reading almost a year of posts here, I am under the impression that at 29 I am on the younger end of the age range of the list members. Much like the others, I also used to play golf several times a week but since purchasing my boat last year have seen my golf game dwindle. I still love golf but find that any time I have a few hours to spare, I am going to the boat rather than the course. Most of my sailing friends are of the same opinion. I am envious of a 12 handicap, but if things keep going like they are, I will be lucky to be playing 110 at 70. As for the counselor, I know there are good and bad. My younger brother had to complete a open ended senior project to graduate from high school. He submitted his journal from a 7 week sail to Maine that he completed with my father during the summer before his senior year. He got an A+ and it was published in the district news letter. I guess every counselor places different values on different life events. Mike Hofstetter Cal 28-2 Sails Call Baltimore, MD From: "ld… [at] comcast.net" <ld… [at] comcast.net> To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 5:01:07 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Challenges (Donald) I'm with you, Mike. I love to play golf and played to a 12 handicap until I bought my Cal 29. I had a driving range between work and the house an hit a bucket 3 times a week and played on the weekend. I love walking the course knowing that I don't have to cut any of the grass. I now live on the Chesapeake Bay, sail nearly every weekend and hope to break 100 the two or three times a year that I make it to the course. I still love to play but I would rather sail. I spent too much time in Sabots and Lido 14's in front of the Balboa Pavilion and dodging the ferry. Trying to get back to my youth. Les Hester T34c #198 Sable Swan Creek, Md. From: Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com> To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:40:55 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Challenges (Donald) On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Chris Campbell wrote: > Michael Kennedy wrote: > >> On Aug 24, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Randall Alcorn wrote: >> snipped >> > > By the time I was 17 my greatest challenge had been....geez, what? > Maybe taking the skateboard to school one day (inside) and getting > them banned the next day? Sailing to Hawaii would have been a BIG > experience for this kid. (Still would be for this old guy now). > > Maybe he presented his choice to the counselor in an ineffective or > incomplete way, so that the inherent personal challenge wasn't > evident. I'm curious about that. Or maybe the counselor was a > golfer. Bill Snaith, whose two books on sailing across the Atlantic should be in every sailor's library, had no more harsh epithet that to call someone a golfer. On the other hand, I've been playing golf since age 9 and my handicap, when I had to give it up at age 70, was 9. Mike Kennedy > > Chris Campbell > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

I was in Newport beach 10 days ago, went to the Island and walked around, I went to Long Beach to LBYC & ABYC So many Cal 20's with smooth bottoms to die for. I too have dodged the Balboa ferry, we had no idea of how really good those times were. Now I dodge everything on SF Bay. In a Cal 20 nearly every other boat has tonnage. We make our choices. If what we do gives us reasonable pleasure it is a good bargain. My Best, Mike From: "ld… [at] comcast.net" <ld… [at] comcast.net> To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 2:01:07 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Challenges (Donald) I'm with you, Mike. I love to play golf and played to a 12 handicap until I bought my Cal 29. I had a driving range between work and the house an hit a bucket 3 times a week and played on the weekend. I love walking the course knowing that I don't have to cut any of the grass. I now live on the Chesapeake Bay, sail nearly every weekend and hope to break 100 the two or three times a year that I make it to the course. I still love to play but I would rather sail. I spent too much time in Sabots and Lido 14's in front of the Balboa Pavilion and dodging the ferry. Trying to get back to my youth. Les Hester T34c #198 Sable Swan Creek, Md. From: Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com> To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:40:55 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Challenges (Donald) On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Chris Campbell wrote: > Michael Kennedy wrote: > >> On Aug 24, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Randall Alcorn wrote: >> snipped >> > > By the time I was 17 my greatest challenge had been....geez, what? > Maybe taking the skateboard to school one day (inside) and getting > them banned the next day? Sailing to Hawaii would have been a BIG > experience for this kid. (Still would be for this old guy now). > > Maybe he presented his choice to the counselor in an ineffective or > incomplete way, so that the inherent personal challenge wasn't > evident. I'm curious about that. Or maybe the counselor was a > golfer. Bill Snaith, whose two books on sailing across the Atlantic should be in every sailor's library, had no more harsh epithet that to call someone a golfer. On the other hand, I've been playing golf since age 9 and my handicap, when I had to give it up at age 70, was 9. Mike Kennedy > > Chris Campbell > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Randall Alcorn wrote: > > > I couldn't of said it better Sailing, biking and hiking. However, my > other passion is kayaking. > You guys need to try iceboating too. Chris Campbell > >