Re: [Cal_Boats] CHRF and time on time handicap(Allen)

Allen, Santa Barbara actually has 2 such fleets. On Sundays, CHRF is the just that, the Club Handicap Racing Fleet, which only Yacht club members are allowed to race in, but on Wednesday nights "H" Fleet, which uses the same formula, is open to any boat belonging to a club with an affiliation to ISAF. I have no knowledge of other clubs using this system. In fact I am/was under the impression that one of the members of SBYC was responsible for creating the program or algorithm, as I have heard it referred to as. I am pretty sure they have tweaked it over the years to get it where it is today. David Owen may know more on this as I believe Mariposa revealed a flaw in the algorithm. Another interesting aspect of CHRF is that you do not need a PHRF certificate, which means you can do any modification, fly any sail, or virtually anything else which would be considered non-conforming in PHRF. Being that your rating is always changing, you never know how you were scored until posted sometime later at the Yacht Club. Regardless of how your scored it still comes down to who are your real competitors. We know which boats we need to beat to know we had a good race. If you have any specific questions, I will be happy to give you my opinion. Also I am sure you can get in contact with the SBYC Race Director Dana Jones; _r… [at] sbyc.org_ (mailto:ra… [at] sbyc.org) if you have any more questions. Cheers; Daniel Casey "AirTime" Cal 9.2R #75 Santa Barbara

I talked to the race committee head (ran into him on my camping trip by coincidence) and found out he has a lot of custom software invested in the PHRF system we use. I don't think he is going to change it. I told him what this list and my Google searches found, that SBYC was, as far as I know, the only club using CHRF and that they also have a PHRF fleet for serious racers. We are a small club with only 20 or so boats racing in two fleets (small and large boats) and I don't think he wants the extra work to satisfy one boat that is sailing slow. I mean seriously, my 55 year old wood L-36 without a spinnaker is beating this 41 foot boat with a 75 handicap boat for boat half the time. I don't think they will change the handicap system and the input provided by this group probably gave the race committee some backup when the C&C-41 complains to the race committee. Thanks to all, Allen On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 4:33 PM, <ai… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > > Allen, > > Santa Barbara actually has 2 such fleets. > On Sundays, CHRF is the just that, the Club Handicap Racing Fleet, which > only Yacht club members are allowed to race in, but on Wednesday nights "H" > Fleet, which uses the same formula, is open to any boat belonging to a club > with an affiliation to ISAF. > I have no knowledge of other clubs using this system. In fact I am/was > under the impression that one of the members of SBYC was responsible for > creating the program or algorithm, as I have heard it referred to as. I am > pretty sure they have tweaked it over the years to get it where it is today. > David Owen may know more on this as I believe Mariposa revealed a flaw in > the algorithm. > Another interesting aspect of CHRF is that you do not need a PHRF > certificate, which means you can do any modification, fly any sail, or > virtually anything else which would be considered non-conforming in PHRF. > Being that your rating is always changing, you never know how you were > scored until posted sometime later at the Yacht Club. Regardless of how your > scored it still comes down to who are your real competitors. We know which > boats we need to beat to know we had a good race. > If you have any specific questions, I will be happy to give you my opinion. > Also I am sure you can get in contact with the SBYC Race Director Dana > Jones; ra… [at] sbyc.org if you have any more questions. > Cheers; > > > Daniel Casey > "AirTime" > Cal 9.2R #75 > Santa Barbara > > >