Universal 5432 replacement

OK. It seems that it's still too early to replace our engine with an electric as the batteries are not sufficient for true cruising range. Sooooooooooo, what would the best replacement be for a Universal 5432 in a Cal 35?? I think it is going to be easier to replace rather than rebuild this one. Sad. Has anyone put a Yanmar in a Cal 35? Does anyone know who makes the Westerbeke 35? Thanks, Phileta

Phileta, Consider a BetaMarine diesel. See http://www.betamarinenc.com/index.html They are marinized Kubota engines. We repowered with a BZ482. You'll need more HP. I'm sure Joe DeMers can advise. Michael s/v Magic, Cal 2-27 Pompano Beach, FL From: phibobear <ph… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 10:57:41 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Universal 5432 replacement OK. It seems that it's still too early to replace our engine with an electric as the batteries are not sufficient for true cruising range. Sooooooooooo, what would the best replacement be for a Universal 5432 in a Cal 35?? I think it is going to be easier to replace rather than rebuild this one. Sad. Has anyone put a Yanmar in a Cal 35? Does anyone know who makes the Westerbeke 35? Thanks, Phileta

Have you considered a Beta Marine engine? They are based on Kubota diesels. Please contact me off list for details. [ I am a Beta Marine dealer ] *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* On 9/1/2010 10:57 AM, phibobear wrote: > OK. It seems that it's still too early to replace our engine with an electric as the batteries are not sufficient for true cruising range. Sooooooooooo, what would the best replacement be for a Universal 5432 in a Cal 35?? I think it is going to be easier to replace rather than rebuild this one. Sad. Has anyone put a Yanmar in a Cal 35? Does anyone know who makes the Westerbeke 35? > > Thanks, > Phileta > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3106 - Release Date: 09/01/10 02:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

Greetings Phileta,, I was crewing last night on a two masted Brig on Lake Ontario last night and got into discussing diesel engines for sailboats with the skipper. I am in the process of re-powering a Cal 2-29 and have currently have a Yanmar single cylinder (8hp) diesel. I am trying to decide as well what type of engine to re-power with. When discussing diesel engines, the Westerbeke came up. He has one in his two masted schooner which is currently on the hard. The skipper mentioned in our discussion, that the Westerbeke and Volvo are the same block. So, I'm assuming that Volvo produces them. I will be putting my Yanmar (35hrs total time) up for sale to help reduce the cost of re-powering the Cal. Hope this helps! Jim Ives Rochester, NY To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ph… [at] gmail.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:57:41 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Universal 5432 replacement OK. It seems that it's still too early to replace our engine with an electric as the batteries are not sufficient for true cruising range. Sooooooooooo, what would the best replacement be for a Universal 5432 in a Cal 35?? I think it is going to be easier to replace rather than rebuild this one. Sad. Has anyone put a Yanmar in a Cal 35? Does anyone know who makes the Westerbeke 35? Thanks, Phileta

On 9/1/2010 1:14 PM, Jim Ives wrote: > > > Greetings Phileta,, > > I was crewing last night on a two masted Brig on Lake Ontario last > night and got into discussing diesel engines for sailboats with the > skipper. I am in the process of re-powering a Cal 2-29 and have > currently have a Yanmar single cylinder (8hp) diesel. I am trying to > decide as well what type of engine to re-power with. When discussing > diesel engines, the Westerbeke came up. He has one in his two masted > schooner which is currently on the hard. The skipper mentioned in our > discussion, that the Westerbeke and Volvo are the same block. ******** Volvo and Perkins use Shubura engines, Westerbeke uses Mitsubishi engines. > So, I'm assuming that Volvo produces them. ****** Shubura is made in Japan. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > I will be putting my Yanmar (35hrs total time) up for sale to help > reduce the cost of re-powering the Cal. > > Hope this helps! > > Jim Ives > Rochester, NY > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: ph… [at] gmail.com > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:57:41 +0000 > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Universal 5432 replacement > > OK. It seems that it's still too early to replace our engine with an > electric as the batteries are not sufficient for true cruising range. > Sooooooooooo, what would the best replacement be for a Universal 5432 > in a Cal 35?? I think it is going to be easier to replace rather than > rebuild this one. Sad. Has anyone put a Yanmar in a Cal 35? Does > anyone know who makes the Westerbeke 35? > > Thanks, > Phileta > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3106 - Release Date: 09/01/10 02:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

Be Careful with Westerbeke and Volvo. Anything "VOLVO PARTS" are priced like they are made of gold.. Westerbeke is old tech and before you buy a replacment engine, price common maintenance items, Fuel injector parts water pump etc. You may be in for a shock. I like 3 cyl Yanmars and Kubota diesels. Use due diligence before you decide. My Best, Mike From: Jim Ives <ne… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 10:14:41 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Universal 5432 replacement Greetings Phileta,, I was crewing last night on a two masted Brig on Lake Ontario last night and got into discussing diesel engines for sailboats with the skipper. I am in the process of re-powering a Cal 2-29 and have currently have a Yanmar single cylinder (8hp) diesel. I am trying to decide as well what type of engine to re-power with. When discussing diesel engines, the Westerbeke came up. He has one in his two masted schooner which is currently on the hard. The skipper mentioned in our discussion, that the Westerbeke and Volvo are the same block. So, I'm assuming that Volvo produces them. I will be putting my Yanmar (35hrs total time) up for sale to help reduce the cost of re-powering the Cal. Hope this helps! Jim Ives Rochester, NY To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ph… [at] gmail.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:57:41 +0000 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Universal 5432 replacement OK. It seems that it's still too early to replace our engine with an electric as the batteries are not sufficient for true cruising range. Sooooooooooo, what would the best replacement be for a Universal 5432 in a Cal 35?? I think it is going to be easier to replace rather than rebuild this one. Sad. Has anyone put a Yanmar in a Cal 35? Does anyone know who makes the Westerbeke 35? Thanks, Phileta

I have a Beta in my WS32, it's great! I wish I had put one on my Cal when I repowered her a couple years ago. Tom --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> wrote: From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Universal 5432 replacement To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 8:09 AM Have you considered a Beta Marine engine? They are based on Kubota diesels. Please contact me off list for details. [ I am a Beta Marine dealer ] Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184 On 9/1/2010 10:57 AM, phibobear wrote: OK. It seems that it's still too early to replace our engine with an electric as the batteries are not sufficient for true cruising range. Sooooooooooo, what would the best replacement be for a Universal 5432 in a Cal 35?? I think it is going to be easier to replace rather than rebuild this one. Sad. Has anyone put a Yanmar in a Cal 35? Does anyone know who makes the Westerbeke 35? Thanks, Phileta ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3106 - Release Date: 09/01/10 02:34:00 -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184

Actually, having owned a Universal (actually 2), a Volvo and now a Yanmar, I think it's the Yanmar that's overpriced. $75 for a thermostat??? And Yanmar is very pedantic about "dealers" - you CANNOT get Yanmar parts from anywhere but an Authorized Dealer. As for the replacement - one of my main determining factors was what side the exhaust come out - so be aware of those kind of things while you're looking at replacements. druid www.bcboatnet.org On 10-09-01 01:59 PM, mike farrell wrote: > Be Careful with Westerbeke and Volvo. Anything "VOLVO PARTS" are > priced like they are made of gold.. Westerbeke is old tech and > before you buy a replacment engine, price common maintenance items, > Fuel injector parts water pump etc. You may be in for a shock. > I like 3 cyl Yanmars and Kubota diesels. Use due diligence > before you decide. > My Best, Mike >

why must most marine engines be set up with horizontal or upside down oil filters? Reggie

Grasshopper, grasshopper, for these are things about which we are not supposed to know. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:42 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] marine engines why must most marine engines be set up with horizontal or upside down oil filters? Reggie

Good question Reggie. Most marine diesels are actually industrial engines that have been marinized for marine use. Most industrial applications [ forklifts, fans, light towers, gensets, sludge pumps, etc ] only require a horizontally mounted oil filter. Just put an oil pan under the filter when changing it, no bilge to be bothered with. There are kits available for most engines to install a remote mounted oil filter. On boats, this filter is usually bulkhead mounted, with the filter in an upright position, making oil changes easy and drip free. Also, when installing the new filter, one should first fill the filter with oil. This avoids "dry starts", meaning the engine receives oil pressure immediately. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* On 9/3/2010 10:42 AM, r good wrote: > > > why must most marine engines be set up with horizontal or upside down > oil filters? > Reggie > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3111 - Release Date: 09/03/10 02:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

Reggie, They are set up that way in order to 1. assure getting your hands oily when you change filters 2. make a mess in the bilge 3. sell after-market gadgets to alleviate #1 & #2 above. :) Michael From: r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 10:42:17 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] marine engines why must most marine engines be set up with horizontal or upside down oil filters? Reggie

Are these available for the A-4 Joe? Secondly, is there any merit to doing the water cooling mod on the A-4 from freshwater to rad and prestone..:) Me thinks there is but not sure if its worth the cost. Regards and thanks /ch On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> wrote: > > > Good question Reggie. > > Most marine diesels are actually industrial engines that have been > marinized for marine use. Most industrial applications [ forklifts, fans, > light towers, gensets, sludge pumps, etc ] only require a horizontally > mounted oil filter. Just put an oil pan under the filter when changing it, > no bilge to be bothered with. > > There are kits available for most engines to install a remote mounted oil > filter. On boats, this filter is usually bulkhead mounted, with the filter > in an upright position, making oil changes easy and drip free. Also, when > installing the new filter, one should first fill the filter with oil. This > avoids "dry starts", meaning the engine receives oil pressure immediately. > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > On 9/3/2010 10:42 AM, r good wrote: > > > > why must most marine engines be set up with horizontal or upside down oil > filters? > Reggie > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3111 - Release Date: 09/03/10 02:34:00 > > > > > -- > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > -- /ch

On 9/3/2010 3:59 PM, chris123 wrote: > > > Are these available for the A-4 Joe? ****** Don't know if there is a remote oil filter kit for the A4, however, I currently have an A4 with an apparently factory installed bypass oil filter, mounted over the transmission. This arrangement would be easy to install. > > Secondly, is there any merit to doing the water cooling mod on the A-4 > from freshwater to rad and prestone..:) Me thinks there is but not > sure if its worth the cost. ****** Adding fresh water cooling to any old salt water cooled engine MAY prolong it's life, however, it obviously cannot repair decades of internal rust. * Joe DeMers - owner * Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> * phone & fax (860) 666-2184 * > > Regards and thanks > > /ch > > > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com > <mailto:je… [at] mindspring.com>> wrote: > > Good question Reggie. > > Most marine diesels are actually industrial engines that have been > marinized for marine use. Most industrial applications [ > forklifts, fans, light towers, gensets, sludge pumps, etc ] only > require a horizontally mounted oil filter. Just put an oil pan > under the filter when changing it, no bilge to be bothered with. > > There are kits available for most engines to install a remote > mounted oil filter. On boats, this filter is usually bulkhead > mounted, with the filter in an upright position, making oil > changes easy and drip free. Also, when installing the new filter, > one should first fill the filter with oil. This avoids "dry > starts", meaning the engine receives oil pressure immediately. > > * Joe DeMers - owner * > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > * phone & fax (860) 666-2184 * > > > > On 9/3/2010 10:42 AM, r good wrote: >> >> >> why must most marine engines be set up with horizontal or upside >> down oil filters? >> Reggie >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG -www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> >> Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3111 - Release Date: 09/03/10 02:34:00 >> >> > > -- > > * Joe DeMers - owner * > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > * phone & fax (860) 666-2184 * > > > > > -- > /ch > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3111 - Release Date: 09/03/10 02:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

Ah so wise one! If an external filter is desired then hoses must be used to connect. Hoses are a source of failure, chafe and more connections to leak and fail. Just drop a diaper or lootsa paper towles in the bilge. Now--- How often do you really change your oil? I'm askin you. Don't complain, don't explain. Advice given to subaltrans, UK army, 1899, Boer War. Still damn true T'day. my best, Mike From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 7:50:24 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] marine engines Grasshopper, grasshopper, for these are things about which we are not supposed to know. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:42 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] marine engines why must most marine engines be set up with horizontal or upside down oil filters? Reggie

Mike Mike Mike...... Never drop paper towels in the bilge, it will clog the pump when you need it. Rather get a simple round aborbant thingy that comes in a net in the fore compartment of the bidlge like on the 29 (two compartment) It will collect the oil and when tied off will never interfere with the pump. Secondly, put down some aborbant pads under the engine. When they get dirty, fix the *&^&% leak next time your in port. Your wallet will thank you the sooner you fix it. As far as changing the oil. that all depends on hrs. Last year I changed it twice based on hrs, and six times to get the water out from a failed water pump, including removing the transmission cover and sucking it all out of there six times. As said if you see a leak, fix it. You wallet will thank you. My downtime in mooring fees alone were 1.2 boat bucks. Thats 6 month in Marathon on a mooring. My new metric...:) My best..(grasshopper in training) /ch On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:48 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Ah so wise one! > If an external filter is desired then hoses must be used to connect. > Hoses are a source of failure, chafe and more connections to leak and > fail. Just drop a diaper or lootsa paper towles in the bilge. Now--- How > often do you really change your oil? I'm askin you. > Don't complain, don't explain. Advice given to subaltrans, UK army, > 1899, Boer War. Still damn true T'day. > my best, Mike > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Fri, September 3, 2010 7:50:24 AM > *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] marine engines > > > > Grasshopper, grasshopper, for these are things about which we are not > supposed to know. > > Cheers > Charlie > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *r good > *Sent:* Friday, September 03, 2010 10:42 AM > *To:* ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] marine engines > > why must most marine engines be set up with horizontal or upside down oil > filters? > Reggie > > > > > -- /ch

> ****** Don't know if there is a remote oil filter kit for the A4, however, I currently have an >A4 with an apparently factory installed bypass oil filter, mounted over the transmission. >This arrangement would be easy to install. Interesting. This would be on your Catalina right? > ****** Adding fresh water cooling to any old salt water cooled engine MAY prolong it's >life, >however, it obviously cannot repair decades of internal rust. Agreed. Moyer's Manual recommends it every three to five years. How many people follow that spec. I was thinking that as it got recently flushed with acid, the next time it gets done pending on the engine status at that point, it may be a worthwhile addition. Best regards /ch

Let me clarify... IF, big if. A boat is constructed right, the engine bilge is seperate or a pan has been installed so that whatever oil, fuel, coolent gets loose it can be contained, not pumped overboard by the bilge pump. Whatever absorbent material (paper towels, in a pinch) can be removed from the pan and disposed of properly ashore. You are right, stop small leaks before they become big leaks. You change your oil more often than many other owners do, your engine must be grateful. My Best, Mike From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 5:40:01 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] marine engines Mike Mike Mike...... Never drop paper towels in the bilge, it will clog the pump when you need it. Rather get a simple round aborbant thingy that comes in a net in the fore compartment of the bidlge like on the 29 (two compartment) It will collect the oil and when tied off will never interfere with the pump. Secondly, put down some aborbant pads under the engine. When they get dirty, fix the *&^&% leak next time your in port. Your wallet will thank you the sooner you fix it. As far as changing the oil. that all depends on hrs. Last year I changed it twice based on hrs, and six times to get the water out from a failed water pump, including removing the transmission cover and sucking it all out of there six times. As said if you see a leak, fix it. You wallet will thank you. My downtime in mooring fees alone were 1.2 boat bucks. Thats 6 month in Marathon on a mooring. My new metric...:) My best..(grasshopper in training) /ch On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:48 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >Ah so wise one! > If an external filter is desired then hoses must be used to connect. Hoses >are a source of failure, chafe and more connections to leak and fail. Just >drop a diaper or lootsa paper towles in the bilge. Now--- How often do you >really change your oil? I'm askin you. > Don't complain, don't explain. Advice given to subaltrans, UK army, 1899, >Boer War. Still damn true T'day. > my best, Mike > > > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> >To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 7:50:24 AM >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] marine engines > > > > > >Grasshopper, grasshopper, for these are things about which we are not supposed >to know. > >Cheers >Charlie > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good >Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:42 AM >To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] marine engines > >why must most marine engines be set up with horizontal or upside down oil >filters? >Reggie > > > > -- /ch

I get a kick out of your comments Mike> I just jumped in as there are several nubies like myself on the list. Cal bilges are all different. Mine has three compartments for example (3-29) IMHO nothing should go into the bilge that is not solid (beer wine in bottles, cans etc) or that cannot be tied off or held in place and you should have at least two ways to empty the bilge. My final backup method is to run an engine intake into the bilge so if all else fails you can use the engine to assist in clearing water. Hence I put nothing in the bilge. We needed this later method once due to poor setup by a PO on an Ericson 35. It was the only thing that kept us floating. The yard had but a drain hole in the keel and an air hole in the bilge then covered it with an epoxy patch on an oil surface. Once the keel was cracked due to a collision with a friggen rock in the middle of an entrance channel in a storm on Lake Erie the water pressure popped the patch. A quick fix with a sharp knife and the engine running kept us above the water line. After a lengthy discussion on the oil change frequency with Ken from Moyers and on the forum list, its strictly dependent on the hrs that you run the engine. The A-4 manual calls for 50 hr intervals. But that is setup for the average day sailor so it once a year. If you are cruising and assuming a daily 8 hr run depending on the weather you should check you oil quality on a weekly basis (and oil levels daily, once prior to start, and once the engine is shutdown and cooled off....to determine if there is any leakage or burning off) It may or may not need changing based on how well the engine is setup. The 50 hr manual metric is simply a baseline. But I think you understand what I am getting at. /ch On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 4:46 AM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Let me clarify... IF, big if. A boat is constructed right, the > engine bilge is seperate or a pan has been installed so that whatever oil, > fuel, coolent gets loose it can be contained, not pumped overboard by the > bilge pump. Whatever absorbent material (paper towels, in a pinch) can be > removed from the pan and disposed of properly ashore. > You are right, stop small leaks before they become big leaks. You > change your oil more often than many other owners do, your engine must be > grateful. > My Best, Mike > > ------------------------------ > *From:* chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Fri, September 3, 2010 5:40:01 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] marine engines > > > > Mike Mike Mike...... > > Never drop paper towels in the bilge, it will clog the pump when you need > it. Rather get a simple round aborbant thingy that comes in a net in the > fore compartment of the bidlge like on the 29 (two compartment) It will > collect the oil and when tied off will never interfere with the pump. > Secondly, put down some aborbant pads under the engine. When they get dirty, > fix the *&^&% leak next time your in port. Your wallet will thank you the > sooner you fix it. > > As far as changing the oil. that all depends on hrs. Last year I changed it > twice based on hrs, and six times to get the water out from a failed water > pump, including removing the transmission cover and sucking it all out of > there six times. > > As said if you see a leak, fix it. You wallet will thank you. My downtime > in mooring fees alone were 1.2 boat bucks. Thats 6 month in Marathon on a > mooring. My new metric...:) > > My best..(grasshopper in training) > > /ch > > > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:48 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > >> >> >> Ah so wise one! >> If an external filter is desired then hoses must be used to connect. >> Hoses are a source of failure, chafe and more connections to leak and >> fail. Just drop a diaper or lootsa paper towles in the bilge. Now--- How >> often do you really change your oil? I'm askin you. >> Don't complain, don't explain. Advice given to subaltrans, UK army, >> 1899, Boer War. Still damn true T'day. >> my best, Mike >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> >> *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Fri, September 3, 2010 7:50:24 AM >> *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] marine engines >> >> >> >> Grasshopper, grasshopper, for these are things about which we are not >> supposed to know. >> >> Cheers >> Charlie >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *r good >> *Sent:* Friday, September 03, 2010 10:42 AM >> *To:* ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] marine engines >> >> why must most marine engines be set up with horizontal or upside down oil >> filters? >> Reggie >> >> >> >> > > > -- > /ch > > > > -- /ch

I once delivered a Lancer motorsailor up the California coast. It had 2 pathfinder engines with a diverter valve that would bypass raw water intake and take bilge suction. The new owner tried this feature which promptly disabled both engines raw water pump impellers because as you know there is no such a thing as a really debris free bilge Pathfinder diesels had the raw water pump installed so that the pump had to be removed before the impellers could be changed and each engine was installed up against a bulkhead, Not a job to be taken lightly off the California coast in May. If I am in enough trouble to rely on what a raw water pump will clear in addition to scared sailors with buckets and manual pumps can do, I believe I will make ready the liferaft instead and keep my 406 close by along with the ditch bag. I'm glad it worked in the Ericson for you, My Best, Mike From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 4:55:29 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] marine engines I get a kick out of your comments Mike> I just jumped in as there are several nubies like myself on the list. Cal bilges are all different. Mine has three compartments for example (3-29) IMHO nothing should go into the bilge that is not solid (beer wine in bottles, cans etc) or that cannot be tied off or held in place and you should have at least two ways to empty the bilge. My final backup method is to run an engine intake into the bilge so if all else fails you can use the engine to assist in clearing water. Hence I put nothing in the bilge. We needed this later method once due to poor setup by a PO on an Ericson 35. It was the only thing that kept us floating. The yard had but a drain hole in the keel and an air hole in the bilge then covered it with an epoxy patch on an oil surface. Once the keel was cracked due to a collision with a friggen rock in the middle of an entrance channel in a storm on Lake Erie the water pressure popped the patch. A quick fix with a sharp knife and the engine running kept us above the water line. After a lengthy discussion on the oil change frequency with Ken from Moyers and on the forum list, its strictly dependent on the hrs that you run the engine. The A-4 manual calls for 50 hr intervals. But that is setup for the average day sailor so it once a year. If you are cruising and assuming a daily 8 hr run depending on the weather you should check you oil quality on a weekly basis (and oil levels daily, once prior to start, and once the engine is shutdown and cooled off....to determine if there is any leakage or burning off) It may or may not need changing based on how well the engine is setup. The 50 hr manual metric is simply a baseline. But I think you understand what I am getting at. /ch On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 4:46 AM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Let me clarify... IF, big if. A boat is constructed right, the engine >bilge is seperate or a pan has been installed so that whatever oil, fuel, >coolent gets loose it can be contained, not pumped overboard by the bilge pump. >Whatever absorbent material (paper towels, in a pinch) can be removed from the >pan and disposed of properly ashore. > You are right, stop small leaks before they become big leaks. You >change your oil more often than many other owners do, your engine must be >grateful. > My Best, Mike > > > > From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 5:40:01 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] marine engines > > > > >Mike Mike Mike...... > >Never drop paper towels in the bilge, it will clog the pump when you need it. >Rather get a simple round aborbant thingy that comes in a net in the fore >compartment of the bidlge like on the 29 (two compartment) It will collect the >oil and when tied off will never interfere with the pump. Secondly, put down >some aborbant pads under the engine. When they get dirty, fix the *&^&% leak >next time your in port. Your wallet will thank you the sooner you fix it. > > >As far as changing the oil. that all depends on hrs. Last year I changed it >twice based on hrs, and six times to get the water out from a failed water pump, >including removing the transmission cover and sucking it all out of there six >times. > > >As said if you see a leak, fix it. You wallet will thank you. My downtime in >mooring fees alone were 1.2 boat bucks. Thats 6 month in Marathon on a mooring. >My new metric...:) > > >My best..(grasshopper in training) > >/ch > > > >On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:48 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>Ah so wise one! >> If an external filter is desired then hoses must be used to connect. Hoses >>are a source of failure, chafe and more connections to leak and fail. Just >>drop a diaper or lootsa paper towles in the bilge.. Now--- How often do you >>really change your oil? I'm askin you. >> Don't complain, don't explain. Advice given to subaltrans, UK army, 1899, >>Boer War. Still damn true T'day. >> my best, Mike >> >> >> From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> >>To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 7:50:24 AM >>Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] marine engines >> >> >> >> >> >>Grasshopper, grasshopper, for these are things about which we are not supposed >>to know. >> >>Cheers >>Charlie >> >> >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good >>Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:42 AM >>To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Subject: [Cal_Boats] marine engines >> >>why must most marine engines be set up with horizontal or upside down oil >>filters? >>Reggie >> >> >> >> > > >-- >/ch > > > -- /ch

At the recommendation of my engine guy, I removed the filter from my Grey marine engine. He said they were not necessary. As I change my engine about every 20 hours (once a year) and aircraft engines which also have no filter change at 50 hours, I went and took the damn thing out. My goal was to increase oil pressure and I gained 5 pounds cold. Looking forward to seeing if I gained hot. Obviously, I just use the engine to get our of the harbor and only occasionally when I am somewhere and need to get back without wind. Otherwise, I sail. Allen On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 5:44 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > > ****** Don't know if there is a remote oil filter kit for the A4, > however, I currently have an >A4 with an apparently factory installed bypass > oil filter, mounted over the transmission. >This arrangement would be easy > to install. > > Interesting. This would be on your Catalina right? > > > > ****** Adding fresh water cooling to any old salt water cooled engine MAY > prolong it's >life, >however, it obviously cannot repair decades of internal > rust. > > Agreed. Moyer's Manual recommends it every three to five years. How > many people follow that spec. I was thinking that as it got recently > flushed with acid, the next time it gets done pending on the engine > status at that point, it may be a worthwhile addition. > > Best regards > > /ch > > >

I should have added you need a good quality strainer for this to be effective, these come standard on the A-4 as well as on the Ericson (diesel Yanmar 3GM) we delivered. And keep the bilge clean. Hence I put nothing in there at all, and clean it regularly. In our situation we could not abandon the boat as we were only 60 meters from the dock...now that would have been lame and too funny. We had a good laugh over it after a few too many beers once secured at doc side with the engine running. It happened at 0500 in the morning so we just waited till the local security staff could raise the hoist operator who showed up an hr later. When we pulled the boat, the keel was split at the tail end from top to bottom due a bad repair job and how these are designed. Two halves seemed together. I suppose we could have gone to buckets but that would have done damage to the teak and holly sole plate as well as the nice teak on the settee bottom sections. Teak is nice but it doesn't like water nor mold. later Mike /ch

When we did it it was 25 miles east of Tortola when the hose disintegrated that held the stuffing box onto the stern tube in a C&C 48. A V drive deep in the bilge complicated the problem. We sailed and bailed with buckets, hand pumps(the helmsman) and the dc pump too. With everything going we could keep just ahead of it but when the whale clogged, I would crawl thru the steering cables and the quadrant to remove whatever had gotten to the flappers. When we got it back to Tortola about 5 hours later we put on a gas pump and waited to haul just after dawn in a few hours or so. The straps on the lift were off position and we crushed the hull bottom at the base of the keel. When I returned to San Rafael after nearly a month's absence, I went to hug my 13 month old son, he screamed and backed away. I was a stranger. I think my wife at the time was a bit happier to have me home at last. What an excellent adventure. Sailing story. We were sinking on the same day in January 1991 the Challenger exploded at Kennedy Space Center. Perhaps that is why we sailors are superstitious. My Best, Mike From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 11:47:50 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] marine engines I should have added you need a good quality strainer for this to be effective, these come standard on the A-4 as well as on the Ericson (diesel Yanmar 3GM) we delivered. And keep the bilge clean. Hence I put nothing in there at all, and clean it regularly. In our situation we could not abandon the boat as we were only 60 meters from the dock...now that would have been lame and too funny. We had a good laugh over it after a few too many beers once secured at doc side with the engine running. It happened at 0500 in the morning so we just waited till the local security staff could raise the hoist operator who showed up an hr later. When we pulled the boat, the keel was split at the tail end from top to bottom due a bad repair job and how these are designed. Two halves seemed together. I suppose we could have gone to buckets but that would have done damage to the teak and holly sole plate as well as the nice teak on the settee bottom sections. Teak is nice but it doesn't like water nor mold. later Mike /ch

> Perhaps that is why we sailors are superstitious. > My Best, Mike There is a lot to be said for superstition. Later.... /ch

WE, man that is has only been on earth as we now know it for about 20k years or so. We do things that our ancestors 400 years ago could not even dream of. I believe that superstition and ESP if you choose to call it that is our predecessors communicating. Although raised in the Roman Catholic faith of my father I carry the genes of my Great Grand Mother a Shawnee Indian from Greenup KY. Native Americans believed that god was in things such as trees, rivers and as I believe some objects made by man. I know that god has talked to me while at sea. God has blessed the boat I now sail, Coyote, named after the mystical creature so dear to native Americans. She has protected me and tells me of her needs. My best, Mike From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 3:24:56 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] marine engines > Perhaps that is why we sailors are superstitious. > My Best, Mike There is a lot to be said for superstition. Later.... /ch ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

I'm not going to bother with using my engine for a bilge pump. My Yanmar 3GM30F pumps 2 gallons per minute at idle. If it's linear with rpm that's about 8 gpm at speed. Not exactly a big pump. I'm sure there are other engines that pump a lot more. John --- On Sat, 9/4/10, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] marine engines To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 11:47 AM I should have added you need a good quality strainer for this to be effective, these come standard on the A-4 as well as on the Ericson (diesel Yanmar 3GM) we delivered. And keep the bilge clean. Hence I put nothing in there at all, and clean it regularly. In our situation we could not abandon the boat as we were only 60 meters from the dock...now that would have been lame and too funny. We had a good laugh over it after a few too many beers once secured at doc side with the engine running. It happened at 0500 in the morning so we just waited till the local security staff could raise the hoist operator who showed up an hr later. When we pulled the boat, the keel was split at the tail end from top to bottom due a bad repair job and how these are designed. Two halves seemed together. I suppose we could have gone to buckets but that would have done damage to the teak and holly sole plate as well as the nice teak on the settee bottom sections. Teak is nice but it doesn't like water nor mold. later Mike /ch

Ok, I know it's old, but so is the owner and the boat! (G) Standard Horizon no longer supports their discontinued products. They are more into the electronics, GPS, Radios etc. I think the diver cleaning the bottom inadvertently removed two of the 4 paddles scraping for barnicles. Now I need a replacement paddlewheel. I found a website that sells the Airmar parts, but it looks like there are several possible parts. http://www.blueheronmarine.com/Airmar-Parts/Inserts-Paddlewheels/ Does anyone know which part number will provide a replacement. I am sure the shipping cost will be a third of the price, so ordering the correct part the first time will be a money saver. Thanks John

I'm not at home, but for the longest time I had a spare paddle wheel assembly for the Horizon knot log. It is new. I also have the Standard tri-data head and the new depth transducer... Remind me off-list to look for it. Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless From: john raxter <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Sep 6, 2010 22:26:05 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Cal_Boats] Standard Horizon SL-1 Ok, I know it's old, but so is the owner and the boat! (G) Standard Horizon no longer supports their discontinued products. They are more into the electronics, GPS, Radios etc. I think the diver cleaning the bottom inadvertently removed two of the 4 paddles scraping for barnicles. Now I need a replacement paddlewheel. I found a website that sells the Airmar parts, but it looks like there are several possible parts. http://www.blueheronmarine.com/Airmar-Parts/Inserts-Paddlewheels/ Does anyone know which part number will provide a replacement. I am sure the shipping cost will be a third of the price, so ordering the correct part the first time will be a money saver. Thanks John