Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing

A friend of mine who has an old Cal 33 "Big Time" did the NASS race 4 or 5 years ago between Annapolis and Oxford, MD which I believe is about 30 miles +/-. The wind picked up right after the start out of the NW to 40-45kts sustained. While everyone was dropping out, or flying a jib or main only he ran with a full main and a #2 as he did not have any of his reefing lines tied on either. Eventually they decided they had to reef and tied a halyard onto Doug Jurrius (Owner of Belle Aurore, the Cal 40 who won his class in the Bermuda race this year) and he walked out the boom to tie on the reefing line. They finished the race in 4 hours +/- and only a J-something beat them. Mike, the owner of the Cal, said that they'd surf down a wave and when they'd hit the wave in front of them and the main loaded up his backstay would slap him in the head! Another friend of mine who was 65 at the time in a 40 yr old C&C Redwing 30 with his wife who is a decent sailor, another lady who'd never sailed before and one other crewman finished the race under jib only and bent his rudder shaft w/o hitting anything! Paul In a message dated 9/13/2010 2:27:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mi… [at] mac.com writes: Speaking of reefing, I don't know how many of you have read John Rousmanier's book "Fastnet Force 10." If you haven't I recommend it right up there with Adlard Coles. He was crewing on a Swan 47 in the 1979 Fastnet when it came time to tie in the third reef. They had not run a messenger through that cringle and so he had to climb out on the boom to pass the third reef (really the first) line through the cringle. It was blowing 50 with 50 foot seas. Great story including an explanation of what happened. I'm reading it for maybe the 50th time. Mike Kennedy Conquest Cal 40 # 96 (now somebody else's)

Life is Messy. Sailing offshore is a challenge! There are lots of TV Programs for those who would live life vicariously. god bless this mess! My Best, Mike From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 11:50:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing A friend of mine who has an old Cal 33 "Big Time" did the NASS race 4 or 5 years ago between Annapolis and Oxford, MD which I believe is about 30 miles +/-. The wind picked up right after the start out of the NW to 40-45kts sustained. While everyone was dropping out, or flying a jib or main only he ran with a full main and a #2 as he did not have any of his reefing lines tied on either. Eventually they decided they had to reef and tied a halyard onto Doug Jurrius (Owner of Belle Aurore, the Cal 40 who won his class in the Bermuda race this year) and he walked out the boom to tie on the reefing line. They finished the race in 4 hours +/- and only a J-something beat them. Mike, the owner of the Cal, said that they'd surf down a wave and when they'd hit the wave in front of them and the main loaded up his backstay would slap him in the head! Another friend of mine who was 65 at the time in a 40 yr old C&C Redwing 30 with his wife who is a decent sailor, another lady who'd never sailed before and one other crewman finished the race under jib only and bent his rudder shaft w/o hitting anything! Paul In a message dated 9/13/2010 2:27:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mi… [at] mac.com writes: >Speaking of reefing, I don't know how many of you have read John >Rousmanier's book "Fastnet Force 10." If you haven't I recommend it >right up there with Adlard Coles. He was crewing on a Swan 47 in the >1979 Fastnet when it came time to tie in the third reef. They had not >run a messenger through that cringle and so he had to climb out on the >boom to pass the third reef (really the first) line through the >cringle. It was blowing 50 with 50 foot seas. Great story including an >explanation of what happened. > >I'm reading it for maybe the 50th time. > >Mike Kennedy >Conquest Cal 40 # 96 (now somebody else's) >

On 9/13/2010 4:29 PM, mike farrell wrote: > Life is Messy. Sailing offshore is a challenge! > There are lots of TV Programs for those who would live life > vicariously. One of my work responsibilities is going to the places where they feed senior citizens to talk about legal issues. I'm always struck by the difference between those seniors who don't have anything better to do than go to the senior feeding station, and those who are active in things they enjoy and find challenging and are elsewhere doing those things. Those of us who have found an activity that we like should be very grateful. I'm willing to bet that most sailors have a number of other interests as well that will keep them busy, even if age limits their sailing. Chris Campbell >

You're so right, I think our "side jobs" keep us from getting feeble. As a cabinet maker, woodworker (this and boatwork is my retirement activity) I figured as I got to where I could no longer run a sheet of plywood through my saw (I already cut them in half before they get off my truck) I would downsize to dremel tools and little pieces of wood. There's always something to create the challenge no matter what I do. I do upholstery and other soft construction also. I watched my grandmother get arthritic watching too much TV and from then on decided I would only sit down when I was eating dinner or getting ready to sleep. (Doggone computers, gotta watch that too.) I know lots of people on this list are defying aging, the adrenaline you pump when things get going on the water has to be "better than botox." Helen From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 2:01:47 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing On 9/13/2010 4:29 PM, mike farrell wrote: >Life is Messy. Sailing offshore is a challenge! > There are lots of TV Programs for those who would live >life vicariously. > One of my work responsibilities is going to the places where they feed senior citizens to talk about legal issues. I'm always struck by the difference between those seniors who don't have anything better to do than go to the senior feeding station, and those who are active in things they enjoy and find challenging and are elsewhere doing those things. Those of us who have found an activity that we like should be very grateful. I'm willing to bet that most sailors have a number of other interests as well that will keep them busy, even if age limits their sailing. Chris Campbell >

You crack me up Helen....keep it coming..:) /ch I know lots of people on this list are defying aging, the adrenaline you pump when things get going on the water has to be "better than botox." > Helen > >

Helen, You are right on, I need to get back in the gym, my xc ski club has a tough trip planned for January that I plan to do this year. I am busier now than I ever thought I would be. I don't know what's on TV because this damn list keeps me on the computer! Regards, David Dobbs --- On Mon, 9/13/10, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 6:17 PM You're so right, I think our "side jobs" keep us from getting feeble. As a cabinet maker, woodworker (this and boatwork is my retirement activity) I figured as I got to where I could no longer run a sheet of plywood through my saw (I already cut them in half before they get off my truck) I would downsize to dremel tools and little pieces of wood. There's always something to create the challenge no matter what I do. I do upholstery and other soft construction also. I watched my grandmother get arthritic watching too much TV and from then on decided I would only sit down when I was eating dinner or getting ready to sleep. (Doggone computers, gotta watch that too.) I know lots of people on this list are defying aging, the adrenaline you pump when things get going on the water has to be "better than botox." Helen From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 2:01:47 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing On 9/13/2010 4:29 PM, mike farrell wrote: Life is Messy. Sailing offshore is a challenge! There are lots of TV Programs for those who would live life vicariously. One of my work responsibilities is going to the places where they feed senior citizens to talk about legal issues. I'm always struck by the difference between those seniors who don't have anything better to do than go to the senior feeding station, and those who are active in things they enjoy and find challenging and are elsewhere doing those things. Those of us who have found an activity that we like should be very grateful. I'm willing to bet that most sailors have a number of other interests as well that will keep them busy, even if age limits their sailing. Chris Campbell

David, Right on, bro. I dragged my sorry, tired, aching body and tuchas over to the Santa Monica College Aquatics Center yesterday evening and got in a few laps, finishing off with 50 yard sprints--it felt great cutting through the water, at least for the first lap and a half, anyway. It feels sssooooo good when I finish these work outs, and my muscles, bones, and joints are so happy to feel like an important part of the organism again that it tells the brain so. All I know is I fell happy, alive, ecstatic...better than any drug. Jerry. --- On Mon, 9/13/10, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] retirement(Helen) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 5:29 PM Helen, You are right on, I need to get back in the gym, my xc ski club has a tough trip planned for January that I plan to do this year. I am busier now than I ever thought I would be. I don't know what's on TV because this damn list keeps me on the computer! Regards, David Dobbs --- On Mon, 9/13/10, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 6:17 PM You're so right, I think our "side jobs" keep us from getting feeble. As a cabinet maker, woodworker (this and boatwork is my retirement activity) I figured as I got to where I could no longer run a sheet of plywood through my saw (I already cut them in half before they get off my truck) I would downsize to dremel tools and little pieces of wood. There's always something to create the challenge no matter what I do. I do upholstery and other soft construction also. I watched my grandmother get arthritic watching too much TV and from then on decided I would only sit down when I was eating dinner or getting ready to sleep. (Doggone computers, gotta watch that too.) I know lots of people on this list are defying aging, the adrenaline you pump when things get going on the water has to be "better than botox." Helen From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 2:01:47 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing On 9/13/2010 4:29 PM, mike farrell wrote: Life is Messy. Sailing offshore is a challenge! There are lots of TV Programs for those who would live life vicariously. One of my work responsibilities is going to the places where they feed senior citizens to talk about legal issues. I'm always struck by the difference between those seniors who don't have anything better to do than go to the senior feeding station, and those who are active in things they enjoy and find challenging and are elsewhere doing those things. Those of us who have found an activity that we like should be very grateful. I'm willing to bet that most sailors have a number of other interests as well that will keep them busy, even if age limits their sailing. Chris Campbell

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > David, > Right on, bro. I dragged my sorry, tired, aching body and tuchas over to > the Santa Monica College Aquatics Center yesterday evening and got in a few > laps, finishing off with 50 yard sprints--it felt great cutting through the > water, at least for the first lap and a half, anyway. It feels sssooooo good > when I finish these work outs, and my muscles, bones, and joints are so > happy to feel like an important part of the organism again that it tells the > brain so. All I know is I fell happy, alive, ecstatic...better than any > drug. > Jerry. > > I feel the same way after a couple beers. Way easier. Allen

Best Beer T shirt I ever saw was on the guy who works at the 7-11 last night. It read; "Beer Does not make you fat" "It make you lean" and then in very small print. "against tables, doors, chairs and sometime if you really lucky...something soft" Well I just could not help myself....were did you get that I asked...as I was laughing my head off. Oh at the truck stop just outside of town. On the weekend, Im getting that shirt..and I dont drink....much..:) /ch On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Allen Edwards < al… [at] paloaltophoto.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > >> >> >> David, >> Right on, bro. I dragged my sorry, tired, aching body and tuchas over to >> the Santa Monica College Aquatics Center yesterday evening and got in a few >> laps, finishing off with 50 yard sprints--it felt great cutting through the >> water, at least for the first lap and a half, anyway. It feels sssooooo good >> when I finish these work outs, and my muscles, bones, and joints are so >> happy to feel like an important part of the organism again that it tells the >> brain so. All I know is I fell happy, alive, ecstatic...better than any >> drug. >> Jerry. >> >> > I feel the same way after a couple beers. Way easier. > > Allen > > -- /ch

On 9/13/2010 7:17 PM, Helen Horn wrote: > I know lots of people on this list are defying aging, the adrenaline > you pump when things get going on the water has to be "better than botox." Well, maybe, but the sun doesn't do any favors to our skin. My Dad, a physician, covered up pretty well in his later years on the boat: broad-brimmed hat, long pants, long sleeves, cotton work gloves protecting his hands. I found it mildly amusing as a younger person but now, having made the acquaintance of the dermatologist myself, I find myself doing the same thing. One more of those shocks at finding I have become my parents.... Chris Campbell

I did not truly appreciate my Dad until He passed from this life. We can only pass forward what we value. To set an example, to do our best and to never give in. Our values are instilled at a early age. Some are fortunate to have role models that are substantial.. When I started sailing about the last quarter of the 20th century, my sailing gods wore white big floppy hats that afforded protection from the deleterious effects of the sun. Some have since passed from skin cancer, they sail with me today. My Maternal grandmother was 1/2 Shawnee (INDIAN, Native American, to be P. Correct) so I'll take a pass on sunblock 52.. I started saying " Mike Speaking" on the phone. My high school companions could not tell my voice from my father's voice. I am sure you can imagine telling my Dad our Friday nite plans was something that I would have not wished to do. To his credit (He was an Honest man. One of few.) He told my classmates that they were speaking to Mike's Dad. He did not judge me, He loved me. Thanks, Mike From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 5:50:16 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing On 9/13/2010 7:17 PM, Helen Horn wrote: >I know lots of people on this list are defying aging, the adrenaline you pump >when things get going on the water has to be "better than botox." > Well, maybe, but the sun doesn't do any favors to our skin. My Dad, a physician, covered up pretty well in his later years on the boat: broad-brimmed hat, long pants, long sleeves, cotton work gloves protecting his hands. I found it mildly amusing as a younger person but now, having made the acquaintance of the dermatologist myself, I find myself doing the same thing. One more of those shocks at finding I have become my parents.... Chris Campbell

I didn't think about it but as fair as I am, I always have worn as much white cover-up clothes on the boat because I hate odd sunburns. Not too often would anyone sail sf bay in a swimsuit. Plus you can get those unexpected burns from reflection as well. Sunscreen on the face is probably the best thing here. And sunglasses to protect your eyes. Helen From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 5:50:16 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing On 9/13/2010 7:17 PM, Helen Horn wrote: >I know lots of people on this list are defying aging, the >adrenaline you pump when things get going on the water has to be >"better than botox." > Well, maybe, but the sun doesn't do any favors to our skin. My Dad, a physician, covered up pretty well in his later years on the boat: broad-brimmed hat, long pants, long sleeves, cotton work gloves protecting his hands. I found it mildly amusing as a younger person but now, having made the acquaintance of the dermatologist myself, I find myself doing the same thing. One more of those shocks at finding I have become my parents.... Chris Campbell

Helen, My eye doc stressed that I need to wear sg when on the water. I have prescription ones, very dark. I also wear them while driving, until sundown. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Tue, 9/14/10, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 8:37 PM I didn't think about it but as fair as I am, I always have worn as much white cover-up clothes on the boat because I hate odd sunburns. Not too often would anyone sail sf bay in a swimsuit. Plus you can get those unexpected burns from reflection as well. Sunscreen on the face is probably the best thing here. And sunglasses to protect your eyes. Helen From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 5:50:16 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing On 9/13/2010 7:17 PM, Helen Horn wrote: I know lots of people on this list are defying aging, the adrenaline you pump when things get going on the water has to be "better than botox." Well, maybe, but the sun doesn't do any favors to our skin. My Dad, a physician, covered up pretty well in his later years on the boat: broad-brimmed hat, long pants, long sleeves, cotton work gloves protecting his hands. I found it mildly amusing as a younger person but now, having made the acquaintance of the dermatologist myself, I find myself doing the same thing. One more of those shocks at finding I have become my parents.... Chris Campbell

On 9/14/2010 7:49 PM, mike farrell wrote: > I did not truly appreciate my Dad until He passed from this life. > We can only pass forward what we value. To set an example, to do our > best and to never give in. Our values are instilled at a early age. > Some are fortunate to have role models that are substantial.. When I > started sailing about the last quarter of the 20th century, my > sailing gods wore white big floppy hats that afforded protection from > the deleterious effects of the sun. Some have since passed from skin > cancer, they sail with me today. My Maternal grandmother was 1/2 > Shawnee (INDIAN, Native American, to be P. Correct) so I'll take a > pass on sunblock 52.. I started saying " Mike Speaking" on the > phone. My high school companions could not tell my voice from my > father's voice. I am sure you can imagine telling my Dad our Friday > nite plans was something that I would have not wished to do. To his > credit (He was an Honest man. One of few.) He told my classmates that > they were speaking to Mike's Dad. > He did not judge me, He loved me. > Thanks, Mike What a nice tribute. Some of us are lucky enough to have had the same kind of experience. I did not fully appreciate it until I started doing domestic violence divorce cases and heard tales of parents who demean and abuse their children. It was a foreign world, this place where parents did not value their children. My father taught by example: duty, integrity, devotion, appreciating the natural world, and never leaving the fenders overboard when the boat was under way. Like Mike, we male siblings all picked up his voice inflections and confused callers on the telephone. Somewhere I have saved a quotation that fits my father perfectly, but I can't find it right now so I can't attribute it. It goes like this: he supported me in all my endeavors, no matter how foolish or misconceived. When I read that, I broke out in a huge grin of recognition. He might have offered some suggestions, commonly ignored, but he didn't pronounce judgments. We all need good examples. Chris Campbell > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > **

I would strongly encourage everyone to wear sunglasses all the time when out side and make sure they are the type that screens UV. I think that is why I do not have cataracts at age 72. I have spent a lot of my life outside with sailing and golf. Few of my friends in those endeavors got by without cataracts. Mike Kennedy On Sep 14, 2010, at 6:56 PM, david dobbs wrote: > > Helen, > My eye doc stressed that I need to wear sg when on the water. I > have prescription ones, very dark. I also wear them while driving, > until sundown. > Regards, > David Dobbs > > > --- On Tue, 9/14/10, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 8:37 PM > > > I didn't think about it but as fair as I am, I always have worn as > much white cover-up clothes on the boat because I hate odd sunburns. > Not too often would anyone sail sf bay in a swimsuit. Plus you can > get those unexpected burns from reflection as well. Sunscreen on the > face is probably the best thing here. And sunglasses to protect your > eyes. Helen > > > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 5:50:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing > > > On 9/13/2010 7:17 PM, Helen Horn wrote: >> >> I know lots of people on this list are defying aging, the >> adrenaline you pump when things get going on the water has to be >> "better than botox." > > Well, maybe, but the sun doesn't do any favors to our skin. My Dad, > a physician, covered up pretty well in his later years on the boat: > broad-brimmed hat, long pants, long sleeves, cotton work gloves > protecting his hands. I found it mildly amusing as a younger person > but now, having made the acquaintance of the dermatologist myself, I > find myself doing the same thing. One more of those shocks at > finding I have become my parents.... > > Chris Campbell > > > >

2 sunglasses for about $25 with free shipping. They come in just a couple days. They are made just as cheaply as their price implies but you can't really tell for a while. By then they are overboad or lost. (I have no connection with them) http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/<http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/?gclid=CMObwdeTiqQCFQImbAodoRETIg> <http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/?gclid=CMObwdeTiqQCFQImbAodoRETIg> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com>wrote: > I would strongly encourage everyone to wear sunglasses all the time > when out side and make sure they are the type that screens UV. I think > that is why I do not have cataracts at age 72. I have spent a lot of > my life outside with sailing and golf. Few of my friends in those > endeavors got by without cataracts. > > Mike Kennedy > > > On Sep 14, 2010, at 6:56 PM, david dobbs wrote: > > > > > Helen, > > My eye doc stressed that I need to wear sg when on the water. I > > have prescription ones, very dark. I also wear them while driving, > > until sundown. > > Regards, > > David Dobbs > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/14/10, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 8:37 PM > > > > > > I didn't think about it but as fair as I am, I always have worn as > > much white cover-up clothes on the boat because I hate odd sunburns. > > Not too often would anyone sail sf bay in a swimsuit. Plus you can > > get those unexpected burns from reflection as well. Sunscreen on the > > face is probably the best thing here. And sunglasses to protect your > > eyes. Helen > > > > > > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 5:50:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing > > > > > > On 9/13/2010 7:17 PM, Helen Horn wrote: > >> > >> I know lots of people on this list are defying aging, the > >> adrenaline you pump when things get going on the water has to be > >> "better than botox." > > > > Well, maybe, but the sun doesn't do any favors to our skin. My Dad, > > a physician, covered up pretty well in his later years on the boat: > > broad-brimmed hat, long pants, long sleeves, cotton work gloves > > protecting his hands. I found it mildly amusing as a younger person > > but now, having made the acquaintance of the dermatologist myself, I > > find myself doing the same thing. One more of those shocks at > > finding I have become my parents.... > > > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover "goggles" the Amber is perfect for the blue light off water. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses 2 sunglasses for about $25 with free shipping. They come in just a couple days. They are made just as cheaply as their price implies but you can't really tell for a while. By then they are overboad or lost. (I have no connection with them) http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/<http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/?gclid=CMObwdeTiqQCFQImbAodoRETIg> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com<mailto:mi… [at] mac.com>> wrote: I would strongly encourage everyone to wear sunglasses all the time when out side and make sure they are the type that screens UV. I think that is why I do not have cataracts at age 72. I have spent a lot of my life outside with sailing and golf. Few of my friends in those endeavors got by without cataracts. Mike Kennedy On Sep 14, 2010, at 6:56 PM, david dobbs wrote: > > Helen, > My eye doc stressed that I need to wear sg when on the water. I > have prescription ones, very dark. I also wear them while driving, > until sundown. > Regards, > David Dobbs > > > --- On Tue, 9/14/10, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net<mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net>> wrote: > > From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net<mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net>> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 8:37 PM > > > I didn't think about it but as fair as I am, I always have worn as > much white cover-up clothes on the boat because I hate odd sunburns. > Not too often would anyone sail sf bay in a swimsuit. Plus you can > get those unexpected burns from reflection as well. Sunscreen on the > face is probably the best thing here. And sunglasses to protect your > eyes. Helen > > > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com<mailto:cl… [at] charterinternet.com>> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 5:50:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing > > > On 9/13/2010 7:17 PM, Helen Horn wrote: >> >> I know lots of people on this list are defying aging, the >> adrenaline you pump when things get going on the water has to be >> "better than botox." > > Well, maybe, but the sun doesn't do any favors to our skin. My Dad, > a physician, covered up pretty well in his later years on the boat: > broad-brimmed hat, long pants, long sleeves, cotton work gloves > protecting his hands. I found it mildly amusing as a younger person > but now, having made the acquaintance of the dermatologist myself, I > find myself doing the same thing. One more of those shocks at > finding I have become my parents.... > > Chris Campbell > > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

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The Polaré lens is recognized by eyecare professionals and eyewear specialists around the world as the leader in OveRx sunwear lens technology. All Cocoons sunglasses<http://www.cocoonseyewear.com/sunwear/category.php?id=1> utilize the Polaré lens system and are backed by a manufacturer's one year scratch resistance warranty. Click here<http://www.cocoonseyewear.com/files/Polare%20Lens%20Comparison.pdf> for details on how Polaré lenses outperform standard lenses. Live Eyewear offers replacement Polaré lenses for all Cocoons OveRx sunglasses. Lenses are availabe in Polaré polarized amber, copper, yellow and gray tints. Non-polarized polycarbonate lenses (Low Vision Cocoons) are available in Hazelnut, Boysenberry, Lemon and Orange tints. To purchase replacement lenses simply visit your local Cocoons Authorized Dealer. If the dealer does not stock the lenses, they can order them for you. Lenses are easily snapped in and out due to the pliable nature of the Ballistic Nylon(tm) frames. We recommend that your local authorized dealer install your lenses, but it is a relatively simple process that can be performed by anyone with sufficient strength. Replacement lens sets usually retail for approximately $20 per pair. Prices may vary dependent upon geographic location and current foreign exchange rates. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:29 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover "goggles" the Amber is perfect for the blue light off water. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses 2 sunglasses for about $25 with free shipping. They come in just a couple days. They are made just as cheaply as their price implies but you can't really tell for a while. By then they are overboad or lost. (I have no connection with them) http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/<http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/?gclid=CMObwdeTiqQCFQImbAodoRETIg> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com<mailto:mi… [at] mac.com>> wrote: I would strongly encourage everyone to wear sunglasses all the time when out side and make sure they are the type that screens UV. I think that is why I do not have cataracts at age 72. I have spent a lot of my life outside with sailing and golf. Few of my friends in those endeavors got by without cataracts. Mike Kennedy On Sep 14, 2010, at 6:56 PM, david dobbs wrote: > > Helen, > My eye doc stressed that I need to wear sg when on the water. I > have prescription ones, very dark. I also wear them while driving, > until sundown. > Regards, > David Dobbs > > > --- On Tue, 9/14/10, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net<mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net>> wrote: > > From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net<mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net>> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 8:37 PM > > > I didn't think about it but as fair as I am, I always have worn as > much white cover-up clothes on the boat because I hate odd sunburns. > Not too often would anyone sail sf bay in a swimsuit. Plus you can > get those unexpected burns from reflection as well. Sunscreen on the > face is probably the best thing here. And sunglasses to protect your > eyes. Helen > > > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com<mailto:cl… [at] charterinternet.com>> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 5:50:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing > > > On 9/13/2010 7:17 PM, Helen Horn wrote: >> >> I know lots of people on this list are defying aging, the >> adrenaline you pump when things get going on the water has to be >> "better than botox." > > Well, maybe, but the sun doesn't do any favors to our skin. My Dad, > a physician, covered up pretty well in his later years on the boat: > broad-brimmed hat, long pants, long sleeves, cotton work gloves > protecting his hands. I found it mildly amusing as a younger person > but now, having made the acquaintance of the dermatologist myself, I > find myself doing the same thing. One more of those shocks at > finding I have become my parents.... > > Chris Campbell > > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

I like those and perhaps will get a pair someday. For now, I've always worn UV and polarized sunglasses since a kid. Now that I have a sailboat, well a real boat, I keep three cheap pairs with me on board at all times. The nice expensive ones went overboard the first day and down down they went. So, its cheap polorized UV protectent 25/pair brand in amber, green and gray. They all float..:) /ch On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > > > I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover “goggles” the > Amber is perfect for the blue light off water. >

These are @ $30. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses I like those and perhaps will get a pair someday. For now, I've always worn UV and polarized sunglasses since a kid. Now that I have a sailboat, well a real boat, I keep three cheap pairs with me on board at all times. The nice expensive ones went overboard the first day and down down they went. So, its cheap polorized UV protectent 25/pair brand in amber, green and gray. They all float..:) /ch On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover "goggles" the Amber is perfect for the blue light off water.

I love polarized glasses but had to buy a couple of non polarized after I got my digital knot meter. Something to consider. Allen On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > > > I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover “goggles” the > Amber is perfect for the blue light off water. > > > > > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Allen Edwards > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:23 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses > > > > > > 2 sunglasses for about $25 with free shipping. They come in just a couple > days. They are made just as cheaply as their price implies but you can't > really tell for a while. By then they are overboad or lost. (I have no > connection with them) > > > > http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/<http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/?gclid=CMObwdeTiqQCFQImbAodoRETIg> > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com> > wrote: > > I would strongly encourage everyone to wear sunglasses all the time > when out side and make sure they are the type that screens UV. I think > that is why I do not have cataracts at age 72. I have spent a lot of > my life outside with sailing and golf. Few of my friends in those > endeavors got by without cataracts. > > Mike Kennedy > > > On Sep 14, 2010, at 6:56 PM, david dobbs wrote: > > > > > Helen, > > My eye doc stressed that I need to wear sg when on the water. I > > have prescription ones, very dark. I also wear them while driving, > > until sundown. > > Regards, > > David Dobbs > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/14/10, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 8:37 PM > > > > > > I didn't think about it but as fair as I am, I always have worn as > > much white cover-up clothes on the boat because I hate odd sunburns. > > Not too often would anyone sail sf bay in a swimsuit. Plus you can > > get those unexpected burns from reflection as well. Sunscreen on the > > face is probably the best thing here. And sunglasses to protect your > > eyes. Helen > > > > > > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 5:50:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing > > > > > > On 9/13/2010 7:17 PM, Helen Horn wrote: > >> > >> I know lots of people on this list are defying aging, the > >> adrenaline you pump when things get going on the water has to be > >> "better than botox." > > > > Well, maybe, but the sun doesn't do any favors to our skin. My Dad, > > a physician, covered up pretty well in his later years on the boat: > > broad-brimmed hat, long pants, long sleeves, cotton work gloves > > protecting his hands. I found it mildly amusing as a younger person > > but now, having made the acquaintance of the dermatologist myself, I > > find myself doing the same thing. One more of those shocks at > > finding I have become my parents.... > > > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

You always find the best stuff.....ais, sun glasses....whats next.? What ever it is keep it coming. For sure I will get a pair at that price as it eliminates the need to have my 1.5+ non prescription glasses hanging around my neck. Best and thanks /ch On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:17 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > > > These are @ $30. > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *chris123 > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:16 PM > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses > > > > > > I like those and perhaps will get a pair someday. For now, I've always worn > UV and polarized sunglasses since a kid. Now that I have a sailboat, well a > real boat, I keep three cheap pairs with me on board at all times. The nice > expensive ones went overboard the first day and down down they went. So, its > cheap polorized UV protectent 25/pair brand in amber, green and gray. They > all float..:) > > /ch > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > > > > I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover “goggles” the > Amber is perfect for the blue light off water. > > > -- /ch

I just rotate my head, or look over the top. The blocking of the LCD seems strongest at oblique angles. Okay nothing's perfect.. crap - sometimes my waterproof boots are full of water!??!! And I've noticed lately the popular brand of waterproof sandals... waazzuup wid that? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses I love polarized glasses but had to buy a couple of non polarized after I got my digital knot meter. Something to consider. Allen On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover "goggles" the Amber is perfect for the blue light off water. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:23 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses 2 sunglasses for about $25 with free shipping. They come in just a couple days. They are made just as cheaply as their price implies but you can't really tell for a while. By then they are overboad or lost. (I have no connection with them) http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/<http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/?gclid=CMObwdeTiqQCFQImbAodoRETIg> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com<mailto:mi… [at] mac.com>> wrote: I would strongly encourage everyone to wear sunglasses all the time when out side and make sure they are the type that screens UV. I think that is why I do not have cataracts at age 72. I have spent a lot of my life outside with sailing and golf. Few of my friends in those endeavors got by without cataracts. Mike Kennedy On Sep 14, 2010, at 6:56 PM, david dobbs wrote: > > Helen, > My eye doc stressed that I need to wear sg when on the water. I > have prescription ones, very dark. I also wear them while driving, > until sundown. > Regards, > David Dobbs > > > --- On Tue, 9/14/10, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net<mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net>> wrote: > > From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net<mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net>> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 8:37 PM > > > I didn't think about it but as fair as I am, I always have worn as > much white cover-up clothes on the boat because I hate odd sunburns. > Not too often would anyone sail sf bay in a swimsuit. Plus you can > get those unexpected burns from reflection as well. Sunscreen on the > face is probably the best thing here. And sunglasses to protect your > eyes. Helen > > > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com<mailto:cl… [at] charterinternet.com>> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 5:50:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] reefing > > > On 9/13/2010 7:17 PM, Helen Horn wrote: >> >> I know lots of people on this list are defying aging, the >> adrenaline you pump when things get going on the water has to be >> "better than botox." > > Well, maybe, but the sun doesn't do any favors to our skin. My Dad, > a physician, covered up pretty well in his later years on the boat: > broad-brimmed hat, long pants, long sleeves, cotton work gloves > protecting his hands. I found it mildly amusing as a younger person > but now, having made the acquaintance of the dermatologist myself, I > find myself doing the same thing. One more of those shocks at > finding I have become my parents.... > > Chris Campbell > > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

On 9/15/2010 6:16 PM, chris123 wrote: > > I like those and perhaps will get a pair someday. For now, I've always > worn UV and polarized sunglasses since a kid. Now that I have a > sailboat, well a real boat, I keep three cheap pairs with me on board > at all times. The nice expensive ones went overboard the first day and > down down they went. So, its cheap polorized UV protectent 25/pair > brand in amber, green and gray. They all float..:) > You folks are all lucky. Some of us wear corrective lenses so we've got to have prescription sunglasses. $$$. Where are those sunglasses; oh shoot, they're in the truck/at home/lost. Chris Campbell

I'm in the optical industry. LCD displays function on a polarizing light principle-generally at a 45 degree from horizontal. Polarized sunglasses block any light reflected from a horizontal surface. Cock your head a bit and the displays will clear up. You will notice a change in intensity of the reflections off the water as well. I sell a fair amount of Cocoons and I think they are a good deal. Color wise I have worn both grey and brown. I prefer the brown because it blocks the same amount of light as the grey but warms things up on an overcast day. Blocks most of the blue light as well. The blue blockers work well but they give a dramatic color shift that people either love or hate. Kevin On 9/15/2010 7:54 PM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: > > I just rotate my head, or look over the top. The blocking of the LCD > seems strongest at oblique angles. > > Okay nothing's perfect.. crap - sometimes my waterproof boots are full > of water!??!! And I've noticed lately the popular brand of waterproof > sandals... waazzuup wid that? > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *Allen Edwards > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:30 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses > > I love polarized glasses but had to buy a couple of > non polarized after I got my digital knot meter. Something to consider. > > Allen > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com > <mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: > > I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover "goggles" the > Amber is perfect for the blue light off water. > > >

Folks, it's great that we have so many different lines of work and areas of expertise represented on this list. Always informative - even Timm. :- ] Thanks, Kevin. What do you think of E-Ink? Timm, does it take special fabs to make that stuff? Four weeks after the titanium hip, I am driving a car again. Be a while before boats, though. Balance and a fall could be a problem at this point. Any experience around with airlines and gate checks with artificial body parts? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Swart Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:33 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] was Helen Sunglasses now just sunglasses I'm in the optical industry. LCD displays function on a polarizing light principle-generally at a 45 degree from horizontal. Polarized sunglasses block any light reflected from a horizontal surface. Cock your head a bit and the displays will clear up. You will notice a change in intensity of the reflections off the water as well. I sell a fair amount of Cocoons and I think they are a good deal. Color wise I have worn both grey and brown. I prefer the brown because it blocks the same amount of light as the grey but warms things up on an overcast day. Blocks most of the blue light as well. The blue blockers work well but they give a dramatic color shift that people either love or hate. Kevin On 9/15/2010 7:54 PM, ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: I just rotate my head, or look over the top. The blocking of the LCD seems strongest at oblique angles. Okay nothing's perfect.. crap - sometimes my waterproof boots are full of water!??!! And I've noticed lately the popular brand of waterproof sandals... waazzuup wid that? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses I love polarized glasses but had to buy a couple of non polarized after I got my digital knot meter. Something to consider. Allen On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover "goggles" the Amber is perfect for the blue light off water.

Good on you Charlie...I would cross borders only in things that float given the hip..its less confrontational...:) Im amused at the conversation that could transpire at an airline security gate..... All jesting aside, its probably prudent to identify the situation at the time of booking but have _no_actual experience with this issue. Recover well and soon. /ch

My 7-year-old knee sets off the metal detector. Since 2 years ago, my pacemaker/defibrillator is not even supposed to go through a metal detector, so I get a pat-down each time. No big deal. Harleigh From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:06 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Optics and a Few Other Things Folks, it's great that we have so many different lines of work and areas of expertise represented on this list. Always informative - even Timm. :- ] Thanks, Kevin. What do you think of E-Ink? Timm, does it take special fabs to make that stuff? Four weeks after the titanium hip, I am driving a car again. Be a while before boats, though. Balance and a fall could be a problem at this point. Any experience around with airlines and gate checks with artificial body parts? Cheers Charlie _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Swart Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:33 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] was Helen Sunglasses now just sunglasses I'm in the optical industry. LCD displays function on a polarizing light principle-generally at a 45 degree from horizontal. Polarized sunglasses block any light reflected from a horizontal surface. Cock your head a bit and the displays will clear up. You will notice a change in intensity of the reflections off the water as well. I sell a fair amount of Cocoons and I think they are a good deal. Color wise I have worn both grey and brown. I prefer the brown because it blocks the same amount of light as the grey but warms things up on an overcast day. Blocks most of the blue light as well. The blue blockers work well but they give a dramatic color shift that people either love or hate. Kevin On 9/15/2010 7:54 PM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: I just rotate my head, or look over the top. The blocking of the LCD seems strongest at oblique angles. Okay nothing's perfect.. crap - sometimes my waterproof boots are full of water!??!! And I've noticed lately the popular brand of waterproof sandals. waazzuup wid that? From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses I love polarized glasses but had to buy a couple of non polarized after I got my digital knot meter. Something to consider. Allen On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover "goggles" the Amber is perfect for the blue light off water. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5453 (20100915) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I didn't bother looking at the E-link until you asked. It looks to me like it is all knock off stuff of branded products. That is perfectly ok as long as you are not expecting the world. I'm kind of jaded because I get the real stuff for myself. the good stuff is still pricey but the devil's in the details. You do pay for quality. But balance that with losing them overboard I wouldn't hesitate to have an inexpensive pair for backup. Kevin

Kevin, I was thinking of E-Ink display technology. LCD displays really bother me on a boat in the sun. http://www.eink.com/technology/howitworks.html Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Swart Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:14 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Optics and a Few Other Things I didn't bother looking at the E-link until you asked. It looks to me like it is all knock off stuff of branded products. That is perfectly ok as long as you are not expecting the world. I'm kind of jaded because I get the real stuff for myself. the good stuff is still pricey but the devil's in the details. You do pay for quality. But balance that with losing them overboard I wouldn't hesitate to have an inexpensive pair for backup. Kevin ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Chris: I think you missed Tim's point. The sun glasses he demo'd are fit over your prescription glasses with the bonus of looking cool. I ware 1.5 dollar store reading glasses at this point to read data sources (three pairs on board and three pairs of sunglasses) . So its a constant on off with the sun glasses as I wont wear the other kind that make you look like some Miami senior citizen on a park bench. You know, the guys we used to make fun of in the commercials and are now getting closer to that bench mark. Pun intentional. Tim was kind enough to send through a source....Cabella's Enjoy /ch On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Chris Campbell < cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: > > You folks are all lucky. Some of us wear corrective lenses so we've got > to have prescription sunglasses. $$$. Where are those sunglasses; oh > shoot, they're in the truck/at home/lost. > > Chris Campbell > > > -- /ch

Charlie: My wife broke her ankle a few years back and still sports two plates and several screws. Her doc gave her a card to show if she was to set off the alarm at security. She never has had to use it. See you at the GOBR in 3 weeks. Les Hester t34c #198 Sable Swan Creen, Md From: Charlie Husar [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 02:05:41 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Cal_Boats] Optics and a Few Other Things Folks, it's great that we have so many different lines of work and areas of expertise represented on this list. Always informative - even Timm. :- ] Thanks, Kevin. What do you think of E-Ink? Timm, does it take special fabs to make that stuff? Four weeks after the titanium hip, I am driving a car again. Be a while before boats, though. Balance and a fall could be a problem at this point. Any experience around with airlines and gate checks with artificial body parts? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Swart Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:33 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] was Helen Sunglasses now just sunglasses I'm in the optical industry. LCD displays function on a polarizing light principle-generally at a 45 degree from horizontal. Polarized sunglasses block any light reflected from a horizontal surface. Cock your head a bit and the displays will clear up. You will notice a change in intensity of the reflections off the water as well. I sell a fair amount of Cocoons and I think they are a good deal. Color wise I have worn both grey and brown. I prefer the brown because it blocks the same amount of light as the grey but warms things up on an overcast day. Blocks most of the blue light as well. The blue blockers work well but they give a dramatic color shift that people either love or hate. Kevin On 9/15/2010 7:54 PM, ti… [at] ch2m.com wrote: I just rotate my head, or look over the top. The blocking of the LCD seems strongest at oblique angles. Okay nothing’s perfect.. crap - sometimes my waterproof boots are full of water!??!! And I’ve noticed lately the popular brand of waterproof sandals… waazzuup wid that? From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:30 PM To:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses I love polarized glasses but had to buy a couple of non polarized after I got my digital knot meter. Something to consider. Allen On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover “goggles” the Amber is perfect for the blue light off water.

you folks are really wealthy! $25 to $30 for sunglasses - That's way too rich for my blood. I never spend more than $8 or $10 for UV400, polarized sunglasses. That way when they fall overboard I don't feel compelled to dive in after them. Regards, Wayne From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 6:17:15 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses These are @ $30. From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses I like those and perhaps will get a pair someday. For now, I've always worn UV and polarized sunglasses since a kid. Now that I have a sailboat, well a real boat, I keep three cheap pairs with me on board at all times. The nice expensive ones went overboard the first day and down down they went. So, its cheap polorized UV protectent 25/pair brand in amber, green and gray. They all float..:) /ch On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover “goggles” the Amber is perfect for the blue light off water.

Heck, you can use a piece of paper and put a few pin holes in it, that will work for sunglasses and prescription glasses for free. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Gillikin Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:00 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses you folks are really wealthy! $25 to $30 for sunglasses - That's way too rich for my blood. I never spend more than $8 or $10 for UV400, polarized sunglasses. That way when they fall overboard I don't feel compelled to dive in after them. Regards, Wayne From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 6:17:15 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses These are @ $30. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses I like those and perhaps will get a pair someday. For now, I've always worn UV and polarized sunglasses since a kid. Now that I have a sailboat, well a real boat, I keep three cheap pairs with me on board at all times. The nice expensive ones went overboard the first day and down down they went. So, its cheap polorized UV protectent 25/pair brand in amber, green and gray. They all float..:) /ch On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com<mailto:ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover “goggles” the Amber is perfect for the blue light off water.

But you got 2 pair for $25 to $30 from the link I gave. They have some that look similar to Tim's for $17. They have them in 3 sizes plus another style in a 4th size. http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/fit-over-sunglasses.html Allen (I am only a customer, no connection to that site) On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Wayne Gillikin <wa… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > > > you folks are really wealthy! $25 to $30 for sunglasses - That's way too > rich for my blood. I never spend more than $8 or $10 for UV400, polarized > sunglasses. That way when they fall overboard I don't feel compelled to > dive in after them. > > Regards, > Wayne > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wed, September 15, 2010 6:17:15 PM > *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses > > > > These are @ $30. > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *chris123 > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:16 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses > > > > > > I like those and perhaps will get a pair someday. For now, I've always worn > UV and polarized sunglasses since a kid. Now that I have a sailboat, well a > real boat, I keep three cheap pairs with me on board at all times. The nice > expensive ones went overboard the first day and down down they went. So, its > cheap polorized UV protectent 25/pair brand in amber, green and gray. They > all float..:) > > /ch > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: > > > > I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover “goggles” the > Amber is perfect for the blue light off water. > > > >

I get my sunglasses at the drug chains. They are designed to resist all kinds of abuse. If you put them in your pockets and bump into something, or put them in the pants pockets and sit down the only thing that happens to them is the lenses fall out or shatter, the frames snap, and the hinges break in half. Thank you, Richard M. Nixon. Jerry --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 9:25 AM But you got 2 pair for $25 to $30 from the link I gave. They have some that look similar to Tim's for $17. They have them in 3 sizes plus another style in a 4th size.http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/fit-over-sunglasses.html Allen (I am only a customer, no connection to that site) On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Wayne Gillikin <wa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: you folks are really wealthy! $25 to $30 for sunglasses - That's way too rich for my blood. I never spend more than $8 or $10 for UV400, polarized sunglasses. That way when they fall overboard I don't feel compelled to dive in after them. Regards,Wayne From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com" <ti… [at] ch2m.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 6:17:15 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses These are @ $30. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses I like those and perhaps will get a pair someday. For now, I've always worn UV and polarized sunglasses since a kid. Now that I have a sailboat, well a real boat, I keep three cheap pairs with me on board at all times. The nice expensive ones went overboard the first day and down down they went. So, its cheap polorized UV protectent 25/pair brand in amber, green and gray. They all float..:) /ch On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover “goggles” the Amber is perfect for the blue light off water.

My dilemma with the cheaper disintegrating / disposable glasses is that the supply barge ½ way to Hawaii only has the older pink cats eye glasses left over from their last supply run in the 1960’s and eye patches left over from the 1800’s booty runs. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:36 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses I get my sunglasses at the drug chains. They are designed to resist all kinds of abuse. If you put them in your pockets and bump into something, or put them in the pants pockets and sit down the only thing that happens to them is the lenses fall out or shatter, the frames snap, and the hinges break in half. Thank you, Richard M. Nixon. Jerry --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 9:25 AM But you got 2 pair for $25 to $30 from the link I gave. They have some that look similar to Tim's for $17. They have them in 3 sizes plus another style in a 4th size. http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/fit-over-sunglasses.html Allen (I am only a customer, no connection to that site) On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Wayne Gillikin <wa… [at] yahoo.com</mc/compose?to=wa… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: you folks are really wealthy! $25 to $30 for sunglasses - That's way too rich for my blood. I never spend more than $8 or $10 for UV400, polarized sunglasses. That way when they fall overboard I don't feel compelled to dive in after them. Regards, Wayne From: "ti… [at] ch2m.com</mc/compose?to=ti… [at] ch2m.com>" <ti… [at] ch2m.com</mc/compose?to=ti… [at] ch2m.com>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com</mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 6:17:15 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses These are @ $30. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com</mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com</mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com</mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses I like those and perhaps will get a pair someday. For now, I've always worn UV and polarized sunglasses since a kid. Now that I have a sailboat, well a real boat, I keep three cheap pairs with me on board at all times. The nice expensive ones went overboard the first day and down down they went. So, its cheap polorized UV protectent 25/pair brand in amber, green and gray. They all float..:) /ch On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, <ti… [at] ch2m.com</mc/compose?to=ti… [at] ch2m.com>> wrote: I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover “goggles” the Amber is perfect for the blue light off water.

I was thinking the same thing from a different perspective. I bought a $300 pair if prescription Maui Jim's just before a delivery from Seattle to San Fran last month. I promptly dropped them overboard on day 3. Gales have a way of dislodging everything. I bought a pair of $25 cheapies once in Alameda at Pest Marine and they seem to block UV and that bright thing in the sky just as well as Maui Jim did. Never again. Danny --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Wayne Gillikin <waynegillikin@...> wrote: > > you folks are really wealthy! $25 to $30 for sunglasses - That's way too rich > for my blood. I never spend more than $8 or $10 for UV400, polarized > sunglasses. That way when they fall overboard I don't feel compelled to dive in > after them. > > Regards, > Wayne > > > > ________________________________ > From: "timmothy.lessley@..." <timmothy.lessley@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 6:17:15 PM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses > > > These are @ $30. > > From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > chris123 > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:16 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses > > > I like those and perhaps will get a pair someday. For now, I've always worn UV > and polarized sunglasses since a kid. Now that I have a sailboat, well a real > boat, I keep three cheap pairs with me on board at all times. The nice expensive > ones went overboard the first day and down down they went. So, its cheap > polorized UV protectent 25/pair brand in amber, green and gray. They all > float..:) > > > /ch > > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, <timmothy.lessley@...> wrote: > > I only recommend Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover “goggles” the Amber is > perfect for the blue light off water. >

What does Tricky Dick have to do with cheap sunglasses???? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > I get my sunglasses at the drug chains. They are designed to resist all kinds of abuse. > >  If you put them in your pockets and bump into something, or put them in the pants pockets and sit down the only thing that happens to them is > > the lenses fall out or shatter, the frames snap, > and the hinges break in half. > Thank you, Richard M. Nixon. > Jerry > > --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@...> wrote: > > From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@...> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 9:25 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > But you got 2 pair for $25 to $30 from the link I gave.  > They have some that look similar to Tim's for $17.  They have them in 3 sizes plus another style in a 4th size.http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/fit-over-sunglasses.html > > > > Allen > (I am only a customer, no connection to that site) > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Wayne Gillikin <waynegillikin@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > you folks are really wealthy!  $25 to $30 for sunglasses - That's way too rich for my blood.  I never spend more than $8 or $10 for UV400, polarized sunglasses.  That way when they fall overboard I don't feel compelled to dive in after them. > > > Regards,Wayne > > > From: "timmothy.lessley@..." <timmothy.lessley@...> > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 6:17:15 PM > > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are @ $30. > >  > > > > > > From: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:16 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses > > > > > >  > >  > > > > > > > > I like those and perhaps will get a pair > someday. For now, I've always worn UV and polarized sunglasses since a > kid. Now that I have a sailboat, well a real boat, I keep three cheap pairs > with me on board at all times. The nice expensive ones went overboard the first > day and down down they went. So, its cheap polorized UV protectent 25/pair > brand in amber, green and gray. They all float..:) > > > > /ch > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, <timmothy.lessley@...> > wrote: > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I only recommend > Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover “goggles” the Amber is > perfect for the blue light off water. >

Isn’t he the lead guitar in zztop? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9WTlP08LEg From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danny Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:52 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Helen Sunglasses What does Tricky Dick have to do with cheap sunglasses????

He restored relations with China!!! Now we can have all the cheap crap that breaks the first time we use it -- For Less! There have been issues with this on boats ie recent problems with anchor shackles that failed. Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Danny <db… [at] easystreet.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 7:51:37 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Helen Sunglasses What does Tricky Dick have to do with cheap sunglasses???? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > I get my sunglasses at the drug chains. They are designed to resist all kinds >of abuse. > > If you put them in your pockets and bump into something, or put them in the >pants pockets and sit down the only thing that happens to them is > > > the lenses fall out or shatter, the frames snap, > and the hinges break in half. > Thank you, Richard M. Nixon. > Jerry > > --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@...> wrote: > > From: Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@...> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 9:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you got 2 pair for $25 to $30 from the link I gave. > They have some that look similar to Tim's for $17. They have them in 3 sizes >plus another style in a 4th >size.http://www.sunglasswarehouse.com/fit-over-sunglasses.html > > > > Allen > (I am only a customer, no connection to that site) > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Wayne Gillikin <waynegillikin@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you folks are really wealthy! $25 to $30 for sunglasses - That's way too >rich for my blood. I never spend more than $8 or $10 for UV400, polarized >sunglasses. That way when they fall overboard I don't feel compelled to dive in >after them. > > > Regards,Wayne > > > From: "timmothy.lessley@..." <timmothy.lessley@...> > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 6:17:15 PM > > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are @ $30. > > > > > > > > From: > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of >chris123 > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:16 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Helen Sunglasses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like those and perhaps will get a pair > someday. For now, I've always worn UV and polarized sunglasses since a > kid. Now that I have a sailboat, well a real boat, I keep three cheap pairs > with me on board at all times. The nice expensive ones went overboard the first > day and down down they went. So, its cheap polorized UV protectent 25/pair > brand in amber, green and gray. They all float..:) > > > > /ch > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, <timmothy.lessley@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I only recommend > Cocoons, prescription glasses overcover “goggles” the Amber is > perfect for the blue light off water. >

On 9/17/2010 11:57 AM, Donald Dutton wrote: > He restored relations with China!!! Now we can have all the cheap > crap that breaks the first time we use it -- For Less! There have > been issues with this on boats ie recent problems with anchor shackles > that failed. I'm always leery of "Made in China" on things that really matter, like shackles. I recently read a comment about Chinese business practices that suggested that the Chinese are _capable_ of producing high-quality goods and doing quality control, but they have not yet learned that to maintain the market position of certain goods, they _must_ do it. That is, they always try to cut costs (and quality) because they have not learned that reputation matters and is affected by quality of the product. Now, few of us buy shackles to gain prestige from the fancy names on them. It's not like designer clothing or handbags (items that have always puzzled a frugal guy like me). We buy shackles because we really need them to work. Nobody really depends on a designer-name shirt, but lots of us depend on shackles for our personal safety and protection of our vessels. The galvanized steel shackle that I used last night to secure the new mooring line on my boat said "Made in China." It's what was available, a hardware store item that had been in service for several seasons before I improved my mooring. I'm hoping it will continue to serve. But for so long as Chinese quality control is dubious, I'll be nervous about trusting their stuff. Would you rather stand under a mast on a crane when it's secured by a "Made in USA" or a "Made in China" shackle? I'm pretty sure we'd all choose the former, and (shameless plug for my profession) it's due in part to our liability litigation system that creates consequences for shoddy manufacturing practices that cause harm to people. Chris Campbell >

I don't think so, Timm, but "Magic Dick" was the harmonica player for the J. Geils Band. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ti… [at] ch2m.com Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:03 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Re: Helen Sunglasses Isn't he the lead guitar in zztop? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9WTlP08LEg From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danny Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:52 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Helen Sunglasses What does Tricky Dick have to do with cheap sunglasses????

When storing mast up, do you loosen your shrouds & stays? If so, how many turns? David Cal 27 Mark III Latitude Changer

You should always loosen your backstay when you are not sailing. A far as I'm concerned, with these old boats, it should be sloppy loose. Shrouds usually aren't that tight when not sailing anyway. Just enough to keep the mast straight when sailing. Mike Kennedy On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:23 PM, David Field wrote: > > When storing mast up, do you loosen your shrouds & stays? If so, > how many turns? > David > Cal 27 Mark III > Latitude Changer > > > >

Many people keep the shrouds tight as well in which case they should be loosened. I take 1 inch off my backstay when I am not sailing. The guy I race against has an aluminum rig and takes 5 inches off. My mast is wood so I can't tension it as much as he does. Allen On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com>wrote: > You should always loosen your backstay when you are not sailing. A far > as I'm concerned, with these old boats, it should be sloppy loose. > Shrouds usually aren't that tight when not sailing anyway. Just enough > to keep the mast straight when sailing. > > Mike Kennedy > > > On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:23 PM, David Field wrote: > > > > > When storing mast up, do you loosen your shrouds & stays? If so, > > how many turns? > > David > > Cal 27 Mark III > > Latitude Changer > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >