Re: [Cal_Boats] made in china

The problem as I see it is rampant fanatacism and sense of entitlement All stuff made in the USA is not great. All stuff made in China is not crap. All CEO's are not greedy bastards. Not all unions are over the top with their demands. Everyone is not entitled to the American dream only the pursuit of it ie: happiness People who seek a middle ground are not wusses but can merely see good and bad in both side of an issue. Money is not the root of all evil, the excessive love of money is. Stereotypes are there for a reason but not everyone fits their stereotype. Learn from other peoples mistakes as you don't live long enough to make them all yourself There are minimum job qualifications to flip burgers at Wendy's but to be President you only have to be born here and live to be 40. WTF? There is not enough real news to fill 3 or 4 channels with news 24/7 Not all Democrats are __________? Not all Republicans are _________? I say we put Rush Limbaugh and Keith Olberman in a no holds barred cage match and use the proceeds to pay off the national debt and start all over. Sailing content - Not all sailors are cheap, rag haulin', rum drinkin, free spirited individualists . . . well okay, maybe that one is true ;-). Paul In a message dated 9/18/2010 8:46:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ch… [at] gmail.com writes: > Canada and the Europeans have been better than we are at controlling sprawl, and they >have been better at maintaining vigorous and vibrant cities. Exhibit B: Canada population is the size of New York on a territory that is almost twice the size of continental USA. All major cities except for a few are within a 200 mile strip of the US border. Put differently, the majority of the population is along a band of 500 miles from the 49th parallel. Out cities are no different then yours except for one factor. We did not have the same housing boom and crash and associated financial structures to support this with the concurrent collapse of same financial intuitions. With respect to urban planning and the value associated with natural spaces within those limits I would argue there is no difference. The main difference is that we have much more of the wide open spaces that everyone craves and we market it a tourist play. Example: I grew up in Hamilton. Great town to grow up in great town to leave. On Sundays we would go out into the country for a drive and then walk/hike what ever. Today, from Oshawa to St. Catherines is one urban corridor. The area known as the gold horseshoe as it supplied all the fruits and vegetables for the province is now an urban corridor some 300 miles long and approx 100 miles deep at its deepest part..sound familiar. Exhibit C: When Canada and the US moved off the gold standard, and I don't mean to be offensive here, China bought up most of the US assets, dollars and bonds....I'm not sure of the amount so wont state it to be safe. Lets just say its huge. In fact the largest holder of US currency is China. The estimate is that it will take 15 years for them to unload it. Most of our currency is floated internationally and randomly as our dollar is also no longer backed by the gold standard. Checked the price of gold this week. Foreign countries are buying as they are nervous. This impact urban development directly. Exhibit C: Most of Europe was destroyed. Thanks to the Marshall plan continental Europe was stabilized. I don't think most people understand how significant the effort and input of that plan was. Yes most German industries and technologies were imported to the States and Russia however Europe had a chance and took it to rebuild. So most major European cities are rebuilds with what remained of the historical settlements in its core. Then again, somethings don't change. Traffic is a mess in most European cities as they were simply not planned for vehicles. ie: Paris, London, Amsterdam, Venice, Berlin etc. Its a mess if you own a car. Wrt to vibrancy of cities..absolutely agree. Two main reasons. They've been at it a lot longer then we in the new world hence the value of culture is not displaced. Secondly most of the populations in Europe is urban as there is no space left. So cities are maturing and adapting at a far greater pace out of need not as we do it in NA based on profit. That is the key difference. In NA we approach urban planning from a capitalist bases where profitability is a major component. In Europe stuff needs to be paid for but it is not the driving factor in the design component nor planning phases. Its the opposite in NA. Wrt to farmlands, most are abandoning them as the last generation has no interest, selling off the land for huge amounts of money and coming to Canada and buying up the east and west coasts. At least they buy sailboats as well. Interestingly enough guess who outproduces both Canada and the US in terms of wheat production? France at a rate of 2:1 Blew me away when I read that. Sailing content: losts of good sailboats to be had as a result. Its a buyers market something that silly CDN owners have not figured out yet and asking silly prices for classic plastic. So they sit for three to four years till they sell if at all. Ain't seen nothing interesting from China....yet and hope I never do in the classic segment. /ch

I could not agree more. This shows you are definitely not a useful idiot. You are not a useless idiot either. In fact, you are probably not any kind of idiot. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BE%D1%82 However, there are enough idiots voting lately to cover for you. <http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BE%D1%82> Allen On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:37 AM, <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > > The problem as I see it is rampant fanatacism and sense of entitlement > > All stuff made in the USA is not great. > All stuff made in China is not crap. > All CEO's are not greedy bastards. > Not all unions are over the top with their demands. > Everyone is not entitled to the American dream only the pursuit of it ie: > happiness > People who seek a middle ground are not wusses but can merely see good and > bad in both side of an issue. > Money is not the root of all evil, the excessive love of money is. > Stereotypes are there for a reason but not everyone fits their stereotype. > Learn from other peoples mistakes as you don't live long enough to make > them all yourself > There are minimum job qualifications to flip burgers at Wendy's but to be > President you only have to be born here and live to be 40. WTF? > There is not enough real news to fill 3 or 4 channels with news 24/7 > Not all Democrats are __________? > Not all Republicans are _________? > > I say we put Rush Limbaugh and Keith Olberman in a no holds barred cage > match and use the proceeds to pay off the national debt and start all over. > > Sailing content - > > Not all sailors are cheap, rag haulin', rum drinkin, free spirited > individualists . . . well okay, maybe that one is true ;-). > > Paul > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/18/2010 8:46:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ch… [at] gmail.com writes: > > > > > Canada and the Europeans have been better than we are at controlling > sprawl, and they >have been better at maintaining vigorous and vibrant > cities. > > Exhibit B: Canada population is the size of New York on a territory that is > almost twice the size of continental USA. All major cities except for a few > are within a 200 mile strip of the US border. Put differently, the majority > of the population is along a band of 500 miles from the 49th parallel. Out > cities are no different then yours except for one factor. We did not have > the same housing boom and crash and associated financial structures to > support this with the concurrent collapse of same financial intuitions. With > respect to urban planning and the value associated with natural spaces > within those limits I would argue there is no difference. The main > difference is that we have much more of the wide open spaces that everyone > craves and we market it a tourist play. > > Example: I grew up in Hamilton. Great town to grow up in great town to > leave. On Sundays we would go out into the country for a drive and then > walk/hike what ever. Today, from Oshawa to St. Catherines is one urban > corridor. The area known as the gold horseshoe as it supplied all the fruits > and vegetables for the province is now an urban corridor some 300 miles long > and approx 100 miles deep at its deepest part..sound familiar. > > > Exhibit C: When Canada and the US moved off the gold standard, and I don't > mean to be offensive here, China bought up most of the US assets, dollars > and bonds....I'm not sure of the amount so wont state it to be safe. Lets > just say its huge. In fact the largest holder of US currency is China. The > estimate is that it will take 15 years for them to unload it. Most of our > currency is floated internationally and randomly as our dollar is also no > longer backed by the gold standard. Checked the price of gold this week. > Foreign countries are buying as they are nervous. This impact urban > development directly. > > Exhibit C: Most of Europe was destroyed. Thanks to the Marshall plan > continental Europe was stabilized. I don't think most people understand how > significant the effort and input of that plan was. Yes most German > industries and technologies were imported to the States and Russia however > Europe had a chance and took it to rebuild. So most major European cities > are rebuilds with what remained of the historical settlements in its core. > Then again, somethings don't change. Traffic is a mess in most European > cities as they were simply not planned for vehicles. ie: Paris, London, > Amsterdam, Venice, Berlin etc. Its a mess if you own a car. > > Wrt to vibrancy of cities..absolutely agree. Two main reasons. They've been > at it a lot longer then we in the new world hence the value of culture is > not displaced. Secondly most of the populations in Europe is urban as there > is no space left. So cities are maturing and adapting at a far greater pace > out of need not as we do it in NA based on profit. That is the key > difference. In NA we approach urban planning from a capitalist bases where > profitability is a major component. In Europe stuff needs to be paid for but > it is not the driving factor in the design component nor planning phases. > Its the opposite in NA. > > Wrt to farmlands, most are abandoning them as the last generation has no > interest, selling off the land for huge amounts of money and coming to > Canada and buying up the east and west coasts. At least they buy sailboats > as well. Interestingly enough guess who outproduces both Canada and the US > in terms of wheat production? France at a rate of 2:1 Blew me away when I > read that. > > > Sailing content: losts of good sailboats to be had as a result. Its a > buyers market something that silly CDN owners have not figured out yet and > asking silly prices for classic plastic. So they sit for three to four years > till they sell if at all. Ain't seen nothing interesting from China....yet > and hope I never do in the classic segment. > > /ch > > > >

we must look deeply for sailing content..which one of these types of people/organizations/countries wants to deprive us of our harbors, our right to sail in our own publicly/nationally funded waters (in the interest of building on shorelines, "one should be able to do what they want with their property", including block your view, access to and use of the water)(or in the new interest of homeland security, whatever you do, do NOT come with 100 yards of a US Naval vessel without first getting the OK from them or the coast guard vessel attending them, nevermind some delta channels aren't even that wide, and DEFINITELY slow to minimum steerage when approaching any police boat with blue lights on, any aforementioned naval or coastal vessel within 500 yards.) How does one do this with a sailboat? to get back to sailing content. Helen From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, September 18, 2010 11:37:19 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] made in china The problem as I see it is rampant fanatacism and sense of entitlement All stuff made in the USA is not great. All stuff made in China is not crap. All CEO's are not greedy bastards. Not all unions are over the top with their demands. Everyone is not entitled to the American dream only the pursuit of it ie: happiness People who seek a middle ground are not wusses but can merely see good and bad in both side of an issue. Money is not the root of all evil, the excessive love of money is. Stereotypes are there for a reason but not everyone fits their stereotype. Learn from other peoples mistakes as you don't live long enough to make them all yourself There are minimum job qualifications to flip burgers at Wendy's but to be President you only have to be born here and live to be 40. WTF? There is not enough real news to fill 3 or 4 channels with news 24/7 Not all Democrats are __________? Not all Republicans are _________? I say we put Rush Limbaugh and Keith Olberman in a no holds barred cage match and use the proceeds to pay off the national debt and start all over. Sailing content - Not all sailors are cheap, rag haulin', rum drinkin, free spirited individualists . . . well okay, maybe that one is true ;-). Paul In a message dated 9/18/2010 8:46:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ch… [at] gmail.com writes: >> Canada and the Europeans have been better than we are at controlling >>sprawl, and they >have been better at maintaining vigorous and vibrant >>cities. >> > >Exhibit B: Canada population is the size of New York on a territory that is >almost twice the size of continental USA. All major cities except for a few >are within a 200 mile strip of the US border. Put differently, the majority >of the population is along a band of 500 miles from the 49th parallel. Out >cities are no different then yours except for one factor. We did not have the >same housing boom and crash and associated financial structures to support >this with the concurrent collapse of same financial intuitions. With respect >to urban planning and the value associated with natural spaces within those >limits I would argue there is no difference. The main difference is that we >have much more of the wide open spaces that everyone craves and we market it >a tourist play. > > >Example: I grew up in Hamilton. Great town to grow up in great town to leave. >On Sundays we would go out into the country for a drive and then walk/hike >what ever. Today, from Oshawa to St. Catherines is one urban corridor. The >area known as the gold horseshoe as it supplied all the fruits and vegetables >for the province is now an urban corridor some 300 miles long and approx 100 >miles deep at its deepest part..sound familiar. > > > >Exhibit C: When Canada and the US moved off the gold standard, and I don't >mean to be offensive here, China bought up most of the US assets, dollars and >bonds....I'm not sure of the amount so wont state it to be safe. Lets just >say its huge. In fact the largest holder of US currency is China. The >estimate is that it will take 15 years for them to unload it. Most of our >currency is floated internationally and randomly as our dollar is also no >longer backed by the gold standard. Checked the price of gold this week. >Foreign countries are buying as they are nervous. This impact urban >development directly. > > >Exhibit C: Most of Europe was destroyed. Thanks to the Marshall plan >continental Europe was stabilized. I don't think most people understand how >significant the effort and input of that plan was. Yes most German >industries and technologies were imported to the States and Russia however >Europe had a chance and took it to rebuild. So most major European cities are >rebuilds with what remained of the historical settlements in its core. Then >again, somethings don't change. Traffic is a mess in most European cities as >they were simply not planned for vehicles. ie: Paris, London, Amsterdam, >Venice, Berlin etc. Its a mess if you own a car. > >Wrt to vibrancy of cities..absolutely agree. Two main reasons. They've been >at it a lot longer then we in the new world hence the value of culture is not >displaced. Secondly most of the populations in Europe is urban as there is no >space left. So cities are maturing and adapting at a far greater pace out of >need not as we do it in NA based on profit. That is the key difference. In NA >we approach urban planning from a capitalist bases where profitability is a >major component. In Europe stuff needs to be paid for but it is not the >driving factor in the design component nor planning phases. Its the opposite >in NA. > > > Wrt to farmlands, most are abandoning them as the last generation has no >interest, selling off the land for huge amounts of money and coming to Canada >and buying up the east and west coasts. At least they buy sailboats as well. >Interestingly enough guess who outproduces both Canada and the US in terms of >wheat production? France at a rate of 2:1 Blew me away when I read that. > > > >Sailing content: losts of good sailboats to be had as a result. Its a buyers >market something that silly CDN owners have not figured out yet and asking >silly prices for classic plastic. So they sit for three to four years till >they sell if at all. Ain't seen nothing interesting from China....yet and >hope I never do in the classic segment. > > >/ch > > >

My rule of thumb is that when approached by a small inflatable with a machine gun mounted on the bow, do what they tell you to do. Works for me. Allen On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net>wrote: > > > we must look deeply for sailing content..which one of these types of > people/organizations/countries wants to deprive us of our harbors, our right > to sail in our own publicly/nationally funded waters (in the interest of > building on shorelines, "one should be able to do what they want with their > property", including block your view, access to and use of the water)(or in > the new interest of homeland security, whatever you do, do NOT come with 100 > yards of a US Naval vessel without first getting the OK from them or the > coast guard vessel attending them, nevermind some delta channels aren't even > that wide, and DEFINITELY slow to minimum steerage when approaching any > police boat with blue lights on, any aforementioned naval or coastal vessel > within 500 yards.) How does one do this with a sailboat? to get back to > sailing content. Helen > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Sat, September 18, 2010 11:37:19 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] made in china > > > > The problem as I see it is rampant fanatacism and sense of entitlement > > All stuff made in the USA is not great. > All stuff made in China is not crap. > All CEO's are not greedy bastards. > Not all unions are over the top with their demands. > Everyone is not entitled to the American dream only the pursuit of it ie: > happiness > People who seek a middle ground are not wusses but can merely see good and > bad in both side of an issue. > Money is not the root of all evil, the excessive love of money is. > Stereotypes are there for a reason but not everyone fits their stereotype. > Learn from other peoples mistakes as you don't live long enough to make > them all yourself > There are minimum job qualifications to flip burgers at Wendy's but to be > President you only have to be born here and live to be 40. WTF? > There is not enough real news to fill 3 or 4 channels with news 24/7 > Not all Democrats are __________? > Not all Republicans are _________? > > I say we put Rush Limbaugh and Keith Olberman in a no holds barred cage > match and use the proceeds to pay off the national debt and start all over. > > Sailing content - > > Not all sailors are cheap, rag haulin', rum drinkin, free spirited > individualists . . . well okay, maybe that one is true ;-). > > Paul > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/18/2010 8:46:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ch… [at] gmail.com writes: > > > > > Canada and the Europeans have been better than we are at controlling > sprawl, and they >have been better at maintaining vigorous and vibrant > cities. > > Exhibit B: Canada population is the size of New York on a territory that is > almost twice the size of continental USA. All major cities except for a few > are within a 200 mile strip of the US border. Put differently, the majority > of the population is along a band of 500 miles from the 49th parallel. Out > cities are no different then yours except for one factor. We did not have > the same housing boom and crash and associated financial structures to > support this with the concurrent collapse of same financial intuitions. With > respect to urban planning and the value associated with natural spaces > within those limits I would argue there is no difference. The main > difference is that we have much more of the wide open spaces that everyone > craves and we market it a tourist play. > > Example: I grew up in Hamilton. Great town to grow up in great town to > leave. On Sundays we would go out into the country for a drive and then > walk/hike what ever. Today, from Oshawa to St. Catherines is one urban > corridor. The area known as the gold horseshoe as it supplied all the fruits > and vegetables for the province is now an urban corridor some 300 miles long > and approx 100 miles deep at its deepest part..sound familiar. > > > Exhibit C: When Canada and the US moved off the gold standard, and I don't > mean to be offensive here, China bought up most of the US assets, dollars > and bonds....I'm not sure of the amount so wont state it to be safe. Lets > just say its huge. In fact the largest holder of US currency is China. The > estimate is that it will take 15 years for them to unload it. Most of our > currency is floated internationally and randomly as our dollar is also no > longer backed by the gold standard. Checked the price of gold this week. > Foreign countries are buying as they are nervous. This impact urban > development directly. > > Exhibit C: Most of Europe was destroyed. Thanks to the Marshall plan > continental Europe was stabilized. I don't think most people understand how > significant the effort and input of that plan was. Yes most German > industries and technologies were imported to the States and Russia however > Europe had a chance and took it to rebuild. So most major European cities > are rebuilds with what remained of the historical settlements in its core. > Then again, somethings don't change. Traffic is a mess in most European > cities as they were simply not planned for vehicles. ie: Paris, London, > Amsterdam, Venice, Berlin etc. Its a mess if you own a car. > > Wrt to vibrancy of cities..absolutely agree. Two main reasons. They've been > at it a lot longer then we in the new world hence the value of culture is > not displaced. Secondly most of the populations in Europe is urban as there > is no space left. So cities are maturing and adapting at a far greater pace > out of need not as we do it in NA based on profit. That is the key > difference. In NA we approach urban planning from a capitalist bases where > profitability is a major component. In Europe stuff needs to be paid for but > it is not the driving factor in the design component nor planning phases. > Its the opposite in NA. > > Wrt to farmlands, most are abandoning them as the last generation has no > interest, selling off the land for huge amounts of money and coming to > Canada and buying up the east and west coasts. At least they buy sailboats > as well. Interestingly enough guess who outproduces both Canada and the US > in terms of wheat production? France at a rate of 2:1 Blew me away when I > read that. > > > Sailing content: losts of good sailboats to be had as a result. Its a > buyers market something that silly CDN owners have not figured out yet and > asking silly prices for classic plastic. So they sit for three to four years > till they sell if at all. Ain't seen nothing interesting from China....yet > and hope I never do in the classic segment. > > /ch > > > >

With tongue in cheek....only if they are flying a NA flag...:) Then again in foreign waters nooniste reports the same course of action while someone else is on the SSB or vhf "below decks" /ch On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Allen Edwards < al… [at] paloaltophoto.com> wrote: > > > My rule of thumb is that when approached by a small inflatable with a > machine gun mounted on the bow, do what they tell you to do. Works for me. > > Allen > >