Re: [Cal_Boats] : - More Sailing content

<There is a hearty group of sailors in Annapolis as well who sail all winter weather permitting.> My wife used to do that before I met her. They raced out of the Annapolis Yacht Club. They'd do a race, come back in for a bowl of chili and a beer and then go out and do another race. No spinnakers and no one was supposed to get out of the cockpit. The only thing that would keep them in port was an iced over Bay. Spetember and October are the best times to sail on the Chesapeake and occasionally there is a Bermuda high that will drift over the area in January and give us some nice 50 degree weather for a week or two. Paul

I admit it. I think the spelling is "stoopid". I have not missed a Frostbite series in Annapolis since I started in the 73-74 season. A few memories. Sailing while it is snowing is a gas. It muffles sounds, and you can watch the wind vortices coming off the sails. Only downside is that a bunch of snow builds up in the belly of the main. When you tack, the whole load dumps right down your neck. We have had days blowing 20 at less than 20 degrees. The spray forms a thick ice sheet on the foredeck. A lot of caution when setting and dumping the sails. We dress in layers, and nautical appearance is definitely not part of that gig. On a light air day we get very flat water. No power boats running around. The boat can really surge in light air when the water looks almost like glass. It is an amazing effect. The races run primarily in the Severn River (right next to the Naval Academy) so space is limited. We have about 100 boats in 6 classes. There is more close quarters work in one Frostbite season than you would find in 3-5 years of regular racing. The total number of scheduled Frostbite races for a season is typically 24-30. They are short, but they are intense. Rule is that if anybody goes overboard, the race is cancelled for that class. Everybody goes and helps if needed. We have chase boats around us for safety. Overboards are rare. Need lass to say, we are quite careful. Depending on the winter, we will lose from 0 to 6 days of racing due to iceout or blizzards. I have some great photos of people snow shoveling their boats so they can go race. Rules say nobody on the foredeck from Prep Signal to finish. Ergo, no sail changes (and no spinnakers). That is why I have every possible halyard/control line feeding back to the cockpit. If a radical wind speed change, only option is to drop the jib and do the best you can that way. We have been putting 15 to 18 CAL 25s on the line for these events, so we get our own start. It is one of the highlights of our season. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:42 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] : - More Sailing content <There is a hearty group of sailors in Annapolis as well who sail all winter weather permitting.> My wife used to do that before I met her. They raced out of the Annapolis Yacht Club. They'd do a race, come back in for a bowl of chili and a beer and then go out and do another race. No spinnakers and no one was supposed to get out of the cockpit. The only thing that would keep them in port was an iced over Bay. Spetember and October are the best times to sail on the Chesapeake and occasionally there is a Bermuda high that will drift over the area in January and give us some nice 50 degree weather for a week or two. Paul

On 9/21/2010 10:42 AM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > <There is a hearty group of sailors in Annapolis as well who sail > all winter weather permitting.> > > My wife used to do that before I met her. They raced out of the > Annapolis Yacht Club. > So she turned into a wimp after she married you?? Chris Campbell

LOL yeah actually she did! We went out one day in November for about 30 min and she wanted to turn back so I reminded her about her Frostbite days and she said "I never got cold racing" (we were just out for a daysail). Adrenaline is a great antifreeze apparently ;-) Paul In a message dated 9/21/2010 1:56:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cl… [at] charterinternet.com writes: My wife used to do that before I met her. They raced out of the Annapolis Yacht Club. So she turned into a wimp after she married you??

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] < hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > > > Rules say nobody on the foredeck from Prep Signal to finish. Ergo, no sail > changes (and no spinnakers). That is why I have every possible > halyard/control line feeding back to the cockpit. If a radical wind speed > change, only option is to drop the jib and do the best you can that way. > > Always wondered what is the best way to drop a hanked on jib in a hurry and _not_ have it spill into the water. Some form of collection system is needed. Any tips or advice.? Everything I've tried on my CS-22's never worked. The 29 has a furler so non issue however considering the 20 this where I would like to implement something eventually. -- /ch

Sounds like FUN!!! From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 8:54:31 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing I admit it. I think the spelling is "stoopid". I have not missed a Frostbite series in Annapolis since I started in the 73-74 season. A few memories. Sailing while it is snowing is a gas. It muffles sounds, and you can watch the wind vortices coming off the sails. Only downside is that a bunch of snow builds up in the belly of the main. When you tack, the whole load dumps right down your neck. We have had days blowing 20 at less than 20 degrees. The spray forms a thick ice sheet on the foredeck. A lot of caution when setting and dumping the sails. We dress in layers, and nautical appearance is definitely not part of that gig. On a light air day we get very flat water. No power boats running around. The boat can really surge in light air when the water looks almost like glass. It is an amazing effect. The races run primarily in the Severn River (right next to the Naval Academy) so space is limited. We have about 100 boats in 6 classes. There is more close quarters work in one Frostbite season than you would find in 3-5 years of regular racing. The total number of scheduled Frostbite races for a season is typically 24-30. They are short, but they are intense. Rule is that if anybody goes overboard, the race is cancelled for that class. Everybody goes and helps if needed. We have chase boats around us for safety. Overboards are rare. Need lass to say, we are quite careful. Depending on the winter, we will lose from 0 to 6 days of racing due to iceout or blizzards. I have some great photos of people snow shoveling their boats so they can go race. Rules say nobody on the foredeck from Prep Signal to finish. Ergo, no sail changes (and no spinnakers). That is why I have every possible halyard/control line feeding back to the cockpit. If a radical wind speed change, only option is to drop the jib and do the best you can that way. We have been putting 15 to 18 CAL 25s on the line for these events, so we get our own start. It is one of the highlights of our season. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:42 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] : - More Sailing content <There is a hearty group of sailors in Annapolis as well who sail all winter weather permitting.> My wife used to do that before I met her. They raced out of the Annapolis Yacht Club. They'd do a race, come back in for a bowl of chili and a beer and then go out and do another race. No spinnakers and no one was supposed to get out of the cockpit. The only thing that would keep them in port was an iced over Bay. Spetember and October are the best times to sail on the Chesapeake and occasionally there is a Bermuda high that will drift over the area in January and give us some nice 50 degree weather for a week or two. Paul

Hi, Chris. It ain't pretty, but we send someone to the forehatch (they can stick out to the waist) and have them yank back on the clew of the sail as far as possible into the hatch, and then slam the forehatch down on it. As noted, not pretty, but survivable. Thoughts meandering. Let's suppose you attach a slim line to the head cringle on the jib, and have it string through all the hanks. This line would want to stay in the hanks as the sail is attached. The line comes down to a small block at the base of the forestay, and then feed it on back. It is like a jib cunningham, but it goes all the way up. As you are pulling the sail down, flip the jib sheets inside the lifelines, and hopefully the whole thing falls on the deck. US Patent 5763291 - just looking for a name. My other trademark is for roll-up screens that cram into the scuppers to prevent crud from blocking the water flow. I am calling these "Nongs". That's right, ScupperNongs. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:08 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com<mailto:hu… [at] bah.com>> wrote: Rules say nobody on the foredeck from Prep Signal to finish. Ergo, no sail changes (and no spinnakers). That is why I have every possible halyard/control line feeding back to the cockpit. If a radical wind speed change, only option is to drop the jib and do the best you can that way. Always wondered what is the best way to drop a hanked on jib in a hurry and _not_ have it spill into the water. Some form of collection system is needed. Any tips or advice.? Everything I've tried on my CS-22's never worked. The 29 has a furler so non issue however considering the 20 this where I would like to implement something eventually. -- /ch

Comments in line..... On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com > wrote: > > > Hi, Chris. It ain't pretty, but we send someone to the forehatch (they can > stick out to the waist) and have them yank back on the clew of the sail as > far as possible into the hatch, and then slam the forehatch down on it. As > noted, not pretty, but survivable. > That works great if you are two on board. Single handed is different. > > Thoughts meandering. Let's suppose you attach a slim line to the head > cringle on the jib, and have it string through all the hanks. This line > would want to stay in the hanks as the sail is attached. The line comes > down to a small block at the base of the forestay, and then feed it on > back. It is like a jib cunningham, but it goes all the way up. As you are > pulling the sail down, flip the jib sheets inside the lifelines, and > hopefully the whole thing falls on the deck. US Patent 5763291 - just > looking for a name. > Hay I tried that, Patent Infringement...I owe you a beer, Works as long as there is no wind...ya right...then its in the water even if the sheets are tight as there is simply too much material on the foredeck..if you have no forward hatch which I dont. The only thing I have not tried is placing some netting from the pullpit to the stantion even with the mast. Ugly but may work if you have no forward hatch and are soloing the boat. Thoughts? > > My other trademark is for roll-up screens that cram into the scuppers to > prevent crud from blocking the water flow. I am calling these "Nongs". > That's right, ScupperNongs. > Too funny... -- /ch

Chris, I've seen a number of boats with the netting or stringing up forward. I don't think it looks untoward. Cross hatched fine line between deck and lifelines appears to be effective. Of course, that is more holes in the deck for padeyes. Oh, and I don't have lifelines on my 25. Trade you for a forehatch? Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:59 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing Comments in line..... On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com<mailto:hu… [at] bah.com>> wrote: Hi, Chris. It ain't pretty, but we send someone to the forehatch (they can stick out to the waist) and have them yank back on the clew of the sail as far as possible into the hatch, and then slam the forehatch down on it. As noted, not pretty, but survivable. That works great if you are two on board. Single handed is different. Thoughts meandering. Let's suppose you attach a slim line to the head cringle on the jib, and have it string through all the hanks. This line would want to stay in the hanks as the sail is attached. The line comes down to a small block at the base of the forestay, and then feed it on back. It is like a jib cunningham, but it goes all the way up. As you are pulling the sail down, flip the jib sheets inside the lifelines, and hopefully the whole thing falls on the deck. US Patent 5763291 - just looking for a name. Hay I tried that, Patent Infringement...I owe you a beer, Works as long as there is no wind...ya right...then its in the water even if the sheets are tight as there is simply too much material on the foredeck..if you have no forward hatch which I dont. The only thing I have not tried is placing some netting from the pullpit to the stantion even with the mast. Ugly but may work if you have no forward hatch and are soloing the boat. Thoughts? My other trademark is for roll-up screens that cram into the scuppers to prevent crud from blocking the water flow. I am calling these "Nongs". That's right, ScupperNongs. Too funny... -- /ch

My other trademark is for roll-up screens that cram into the scuppers to prevent crud from blocking the water flow Good one. My Cal25 came w/ hair rollers in the cockpit scuppers. Not perfect, but they block most of the big stuff yet still let water pass when, not if, they clog. From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 7:22:55 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing Hi, Chris. It ain't pretty, but we send someone to the forehatch (they can stick out to the waist) and have them yank back on the clew of the sail as far as possible into the hatch, and then slam the forehatch down on it. As noted, not pretty, but survivable. Thoughts meandering. Let's suppose you attach a slim line to the head cringle on the jib, and have it string through all the hanks. This line would want to stay in the hanks as the sail is attached. The line comes down to a small block at the base of the forestay, and then feed it on back. It is like a jib cunningham, but it goes all the way up. As you are pulling the sail down, flip the jib sheets inside the lifelines, and hopefully the whole thing falls on the deck. US Patent 5763291 - just looking for a name. My other trademark is for roll-up screens that cram into the scuppers to prevent crud from blocking the water flow. I am calling these "Nongs". That's right, ScupperNongs. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:08 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > >Rules say nobody on the foredeck from Prep Signal to finish. Ergo, no sail >changes (and no spinnakers). That is why I have every possible halyard/control >line feeding back to the cockpit. If a radical wind speed change, only option >is to drop the jib and do the best you can that way. > Always wondered what is the best way to drop a hanked on jib in a hurry and _not_ have it spill into the water. Some form of collection system is needed. Any tips or advice.? Everything I've tried on my CS-22's never worked. The 29 has a furler so non issue however considering the 20 this where I would like to implement something eventually. -- /ch

Brain fart....no stanchions on the 20. Twas thinking CS-22's which are no more. Dang. But then again if you look at Blackfeathers they were added as a rule requirement. Perhaps there is a solution there implementing that requirement in part. For example a set of two on both sides from the pulpit parallel to the mast, and then net them out. /ch On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com > wrote: > > > Chris, I've seen a number of boats with the netting or stringing up > forward. I don't think it looks untoward. Cross hatched fine line between > deck and lifelines appears to be effective. Of course, that is more holes > in the deck for padeyes. Oh, and I don't have lifelines on my 25. Trade > you for a forehatch? >

My Present wife says she will sail with me 2 hours a month. But not this month! My Best, Mike I singlehand a lot! From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 10:30:27 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] : - More Sailing content On 9/21/2010 10:42 AM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > ><There is a hearty group of sailors in Annapolis as well who sail all winter >weather permitting.> My wife used to do that before I met her. They raced out of the Annapolis Yacht Club. So she turned into a wimp after she married you?? Chris Campbell

Leave it sheeted in as if it were a close reach, drop it as you tack leaving enough slack so it does not bind on the stay. This will give you time to dart forward to secure it on deck. My Best, Mike From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 3:07:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > >Rules say nobody on the foredeck from Prep Signal to finish. Ergo, no sail >changes (and no spinnakers). That is why I have every possible halyard/control >line feeding back to the cockpit. If a radical wind speed change, only option >is to drop the jib and do the best you can that way. > Always wondered what is the best way to drop a hanked on jib in a hurry and _not_ have it spill into the water. Some form of collection system is needed. Any tips or advice.? Everything I've tried on my CS-22's never worked. The 29 has a furler so non issue however considering the 20 this where I would like to implement something eventually. -- /ch

how about a netting attached to both forward rails about 6 feet back that lays flat (threads?) and then as you drop your jib with the suggested cunningham, use your spin halyard to hoist the peak of the triangle shape ahead of the stay (halyard attached to this peak lays on deck (thread-tied or with a shackle on it guided through a block that has extra line to ride the halyard up, to base of mast so as not to deploy or foul sailing) with netting so it pulls up a "wing" on either side of the dropping sail? another cunningham to the peak from a block in front of the tack could bring it back down in concert with the mast-base block. this means 3 lines = 1halyard, 1 cunningham, and the halyard cunningham led to the cockpit. no hatch needed. dinghy size blocks and line would be adequate. it would be almost invisible. HH From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 4:35:59 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Was Annapolis Frostbite Racing - Now Jib on Foredeck Brain fart....no stanchions on the 20. Twas thinking CS-22's which are no more. Dang. But then again if you look at Blackfeathers they were added as a rule requirement. Perhaps there is a solution there implementing that requirement in part. For example a set of two on both sides from the pulpit parallel to the mast, and then net them out. /ch On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: >Chris, I've seen a number of boats with the netting or stringing up forward. I >don't think it looks untoward. Cross hatched fine line between deck and >lifelines appears to be effective. Of course, that is more holes in the deck >for padeyes. Oh, and I don't have lifelines on my 25. Trade you for a >forehatch? >

Maybe you next wife will give you more time. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:56 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > My Present wife says she will sail with me 2 hours a month. But not this > month! > My Best, Mike > I singlehand a lot! > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tue, September 21, 2010 10:30:27 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] : - More Sailing content > > > > On 9/21/2010 10:42 AM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > > > > > <There is a hearty group of sailors in Annapolis as well who sail all > winter weather permitting.> > > > My wife used to do that before I met her. They raced out of the Annapolis > Yacht Club. > > > So she turned into a wimp after she married you?? > > Chris Campbell > > > > >

Now this sounds interesting...thanks Helen /ch On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > how about a netting attached to both forward rails about 6 feet back that > lays flat (threads?) and then as you drop your jib with the suggested > cunningham, use your spin halyard to hoist the peak of the triangle shape > ahead of the stay (halyard attached to this peak lays on deck (thread-tied > or with a shackle on it guided through a block that has extra line to ride > the halyard up, to base of mast so as not to deploy or foul sailing) with > netting so it pulls up a "wing" on either side of the dropping sail? >

Ouch........:) /ch On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Allen Edwards < al… [at] paloaltophoto.com> wrote: > > > Maybe you next wife will give you more time. > >

Yup tried that. Its the darting forward part that can be a bugger and or a hazard to your health in good blow or close quarters where you never want to be. Why is it that you have to dowse that sail always at the most inconvenient time....:) Thanks Mike /ch On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:07 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Leave it sheeted in as if it were a close reach, drop it as you tack > leaving enough slack so it does not bind on the stay. This will give you > time to dart forward to secure it on deck. > My Best, Mike >

By singlehanding, you are still talking about sailing correct? ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist. Paul In a message dated 9/22/2010 8:44:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com writes: Maybe you next wife will give you more time. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:56 PM, mike farrell <_v… [at] yahoo.com_ (mailto:ve… [at] yahoo.com) > wrote: My Present wife says she will sail with me 2 hours a month. But not this month! My Best, Mike I singlehand a lot! From: Chris Campbell <_c… [at] charterinternet.com_ (mailto:cl… [at] charterinternet.com) > To: _C… [at] yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com) Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 10:30:27 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] : - More Sailing content On 9/21/2010 10:42 AM, _p… [at] aol.com_ (mailto:pw… [at] aol.com) wrote: <There is a hearty group of sailors in Annapolis as well who sail all winter weather permitting.> My wife used to do that before I met her. They raced out of the Annapolis Yacht Club. So she turned into a wimp after she married you?? Chris Campbell

Mike, lucky you, I get exactly zero hours a month with my girlfriend of 23 years. But the crew of three women who walked off with a silver Manhattan Jigger (Women at the Helm race last Sat. and Sun., our driver was ecstatic, but the poor gal is a member of AA) Her older sister helmed the Ranger 23 last night/Tuesday, her first time driving in a sailboat race, went ga ga over the experience. Jerry --- On Wed, 9/22/10, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] : - More Sailing content To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 3:56 PM My Present wife says she will sail with me 2 hours a month. But not this month! My Best, Mike I singlehand a lot! From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 10:30:27 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] : - More Sailing content On 9/21/2010 10:42 AM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: <There is a hearty group of sailors in Annapolis as well who sail all winter weather permitting.> My wife used to do that before I met her. They raced out of the Annapolis Yacht Club. So she turned into a wimp after she married you?? Chris Campbell

Sounds like lazy jacks for a jib, Helen. In my mind's eye, I can visualize Chris going forward and getting trapped in the net - flopping around like a seined halibut. :- ] Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Helen Horn Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:48 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Was Annapolis Frostbite Racing - Now Jib on Foredeck how about a netting attached to both forward rails about 6 feet back that lays flat (threads?) and then as you drop your jib with the suggested cunningham, use your spin halyard to hoist the peak of the triangle shape ahead of the stay (halyard attached to this peak lays on deck (thread-tied or with a shackle on it guided through a block that has extra line to ride the halyard up, to base of mast so as not to deploy or foul sailing) with netting so it pulls up a "wing" on either side of the dropping sail? another cunningham to the peak from a block in front of the tack could bring it back down in concert with the mast-base block. this means 3 lines = 1halyard, 1 cunningham, and the halyard cunningham led to the cockpit. no hatch needed. dinghy size blocks and line would be adequate. it would be almost invisible. HH From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 4:35:59 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Was Annapolis Frostbite Racing - Now Jib on Foredeck Brain fart....no stanchions on the 20. Twas thinking CS-22's which are no more. Dang. But then again if you look at Blackfeathers they were added as a rule requirement. Perhaps there is a solution there implementing that requirement in part. For example a set of two on both sides from the pulpit parallel to the mast, and then net them out. /ch On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com<mailto:hu… [at] bah.com>> wrote: Chris, I've seen a number of boats with the netting or stringing up forward. I don't think it looks untoward. Cross hatched fine line between deck and lifelines appears to be effective. Of course, that is more holes in the deck for padeyes. Oh, and I don't have lifelines on my 25. Trade you for a forehatch?

I would like to conduct a poll of the our list members to see who is still capable of "darting". On a good day, I "lumber". Not like my 10 years of racing foredeck in the 70s. Sigh... Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:07 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing Yup tried that. Its the darting forward part that can be a bugger and or a hazard to your health in good blow or close quarters where you never want to be. Why is it that you have to dowse that sail always at the most inconvenient time....:) Thanks Mike /ch On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:07 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:ve… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: Leave it sheeted in as if it were a close reach, drop it as you tack leaving enough slack so it does not bind on the stay. This will give you time to dart forward to secure it on deck. My Best, Mike

Except it could be a rectangular piece about 6feet by30, peaking at 15 feet, and he could go through the middle to get to the anchor or mooring?It probably could be done with one of the premade lifeline netting shapes from westmarine. does sound like a lazy jack system but on second thought, if he lost his footing, a net catch might not be so bad. The picture of it sounds pretty comical. (Wonder where the man overboard is most likely to occur statistically, other than the cockpit.) I believe he premises no-one leaves the cockpit during the race with no stanchions or life lines on the boat. I would hate to put a sail away after dragging it in icy waters.HH From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 7:57:35 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Was Annapolis Frostbite Racing - Now Jib on Foredeck Sounds like lazy jacks for a jib, Helen. In my mind's eye, I can visualize Chris going forward and getting trapped in the net - flopping around like a seined halibut. :- ] Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Helen Horn Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:48 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Was Annapolis Frostbite Racing - Now Jib on Foredeck how about a netting attached to both forward rails about 6 feet back that lays flat (threads?) and then as you drop your jib with the suggested cunningham, use your spin halyard to hoist the peak of the triangle shape ahead of the stay (halyard attached to this peak lays on deck (thread-tied or with a shackle on it guided through a block that has extra line to ride the halyard up, to base of mast so as not to deploy or foul sailing) with netting so it pulls up a "wing" on either side of the dropping sail? another cunningham to the peak from a block in front of the tack could bring it back down in concert with the mast-base block. this means 3 lines = 1halyard, 1 cunningham, and the halyard cunningham led to the cockpit. no hatch needed. dinghy size blocks and line would be adequate. it would be almost invisible. HH From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 4:35:59 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Was Annapolis Frostbite Racing - Now Jib on Foredeck Brain fart....no stanchions on the 20. Twas thinking CS-22's which are no more. Dang. But then again if you look at Blackfeathers they were added as a rule requirement. Perhaps there is a solution there implementing that requirement in part. For example a set of two on both sides from the pulpit parallel to the mast, and then net them out. /ch On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: >Chris, I've seen a number of boats with the netting or stringing up forward. >I don't think it looks untoward. Cross hatched fine line between deck and >lifelines appears to be effective. Of course, that is more holes in the deck >for padeyes. Oh, and I don't have lifelines on my 25. Trade you for a >forehatch? >

well my answer is if I was to "dart" and succeeded without crashing into a winch or cleat with a knee or elbow, I would be just as likely to overshoot my mark or land on it, a lot like a saint bernard once it gets going. From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 8:11:05 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing I would like to conduct a poll of the our list members to see who is still capable of "darting". On a good day, I "lumber". Not like my 10 years of racing foredeck in the 70s. Sigh... Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:07 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing Yup tried that. Its the darting forward part that can be a bugger and or a hazard to your health in good blow or close quarters where you never want to be. Why is it that you have to dowse that sail always at the most inconvenient time....:) Thanks Mike /ch On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:07 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Leave it sheeted in as if it were a close reach, drop it as you tack >leaving enough slack so it does not bind on the stay. This will give you >time to dart forward to secure it on deck. > My Best, Mike >

Teeter. Harleigh From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:11 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing I would like to conduct a poll of the our list members to see who is still capable of "darting". On a good day, I "lumber". Not like my 10 years of racing foredeck in the 70s. Sigh... Cheers Charlie _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:07 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing Yup tried that. Its the darting forward part that can be a bugger and or a hazard to your health in good blow or close quarters where you never want to be. Why is it that you have to dowse that sail always at the most inconvenient time....:) Thanks Mike /ch On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:07 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Leave it sheeted in as if it were a close reach, drop it as you tack leaving enough slack so it does not bind on the stay. This will give you time to dart forward to secure it on deck. My Best, Mike __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5471 (20100922) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I wish....stumble is more appropriate...knees are getting weak. /ch On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Harleigh Ewell <he… [at] comcast.net> wrote: > > > Teeter. > > > > Harleigh >

It would be enough to have netting to the height of the pulpit to a station as its the excess material that slides off the deck and lands in the brink. The simplest way I have found to dowse this sail is not pointed into the wind, as it flutters all over the place and the boat does not want to stay pointed that way as soon as you move forward. Rather running dead down wind using a down haul line. The part that is missing is a a collection system just behind the pulpit as this is where she will slide off the deck on either side. Pointed down wind you can now control the spillage with the sheets to a degree and less of a need to dart, more a slow stumble forward and back on the same side. A preventer on the main is your friend. Its the change in weight distribution on small boats that tends to get them off the intended course that is the real issue. Once your sideways and stuck at the front, well its game over. /ch On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sthbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > Except it could be a rectangular piece about 6feet by30, peaking at 15 feet,

On 9/21/2010 11:54 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > > Sailing while it is snowing is a gas. It muffles sounds, and you can > watch the wind vortices coming off the sails. Only downside is that a > bunch of snow builds up in the belly of the main. When you tack, the > whole load dumps right down your neck. > We have had days blowing 20 at less than 20 degrees. The spray forms > a thick ice sheet on the foredeck. A lot of caution when setting and > dumping the sails. We dress in layers, and nautical appearance is > definitely not part of that gig. Long ago when I was young and foolish, I was a dinghy racing crew in the Univ. of Michigan sailing club. We raced Int'l 470s on an inland lake. I don't recall exactly how we selected the final sailing dates, but I can remember sailing into November and having the sheets ice up so they wouldn't run through the blocks one year. Now it would be tolerable, because we have all manner of wonderful cold-weather clothing--fleece, windproof fabrics, Gore-Tex breathing fabrics, all that cool stuff. Then I was a poor student and could not afford even the less-sophisticated protective clothing that was available then. My uniform was my Dad's old WW II field jacket (cotton) with a wool sweater under it and jeans. On my hands, I wore some leather work gloves. They had negative insulation qualities when wet. But of course, it was fun, even if the fingers were painful and the body cold. Now I'm a bit more relaxed about seasonal changes, recognizing that it's going to become winter whether I like it or not. Last night we dropped the masts on the two local Cal 20s, and today (during a break in our torrential rains) I hauled mine for the season. It's safer for the boat, because this is when we get some wicked storms that blow in on the mooring field. It's safer for the skipper, too, not to have to do the hauling when it's too late (kind of like reefing, isn't it? ). My other boat is snug in her marina slip and she stays in until mid-October, getting sailed weekends. Last night after we dropped the sticks I sailed on our marine history group's Concordia-built gaff-rigged sloop for the first time. It's time to get the kayak out. I paddled that for 139 consecutive months on the Great Lakes, quitting a couple years back when we had such a harsh winter that I couldn't find a launch point. Maybe that just proves that now I'm old & foolish. Ain't consistency wonderful.... Chris Campbell >

On 9/21/2010 6:07 PM, chris123 wrote: > > > > > Always wondered what is the best way to drop a hanked on jib in a > hurry and _not_ have it spill into the water. Some form of collection > system is needed. Any tips or advice.? The gaff-rigger I sailed on last night had buntlines to gather and furl the main topsail. You could rig a similar system to down-haul and gather a jib, althgough it would add some new rigging complexity. Chris Campbell

On 9/21/2010 7:22 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > > My other trademark is for roll-up screens that cram into the scuppers > to prevent crud from blocking the water flow. I am calling these > "Nongs". That's right, ScupperNongs. > There's a regionalism for you. My mom, an Alabama native, always talks about scuppernongs, drawing stares from the locals. They figure, given her accent, that they're probably just mis-hearing some common English word. It's not a species that they recognize around here. Chris Campbell

On 9/23/2010 12:45 AM, Helen Horn wrote: > well my answer is if I was to "dart" and succeeded without crashing > into a winch or cleat with a knee or elbow, I would be just as likely > to overshoot my mark or land on it, a lot like a saint bernard once it > gets going. OK, I'll get preachy on this point. There are some limitations that come with age or bad luck, like severe arthritis or other kids of disorders, but there are lots of self-inflicted impairments that come from too much eating and too little exercise. You can't change your genes but you can avoid practices that exacerbate the effects of aging. Not too long ago, it was expected that people over 60 or so were simply incapable of exertion. They were expected to sit on the front porch in a rocking chair and wait for death. (My dad, a physician, talked about how pneumonia was sometimes called the "old man's friend." An old guy would fall and break his hip, a permanently disabling injury back then, and the resulting inactivity led to pneumonia, not effectively treatable before penicillin, and the relief of death would follow). Now we can conceive of active old age and most of us hope for it. Use it or lose it is accurate for the self-inflicted harms. Get off your butt, throw away the TV, and do stuff. Recognize your real limitations but don't create a bunch of avoidable ones. Think about Olin Stephens, who still sailed (albeit without much darting around) at 100. The gaff schooner I sailed on last night was donated by a couple who sailed into their 90s. I make the usual old-fart jokes about myself but I also try hard to keep things functioning. When we had a topsail problem on the gaffer last night, I was the one who was asked to climb the ratlines and check it out. Chris Campbell

Speaking of scupper fittings, are they simply 2" barsink drain with cross bars? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Campbell To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing On 9/21/2010 7:22 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: My other trademark is for roll-up screens that cram into the scuppers to prevent crud from blocking the water flow. I am calling these "Nongs". That's right, ScupperNongs. There's a regionalism for you. My mom, an Alabama native, always talks about scuppernongs, drawing stares from the locals. They figure, given her accent, that they're probably just mis-hearing some common English word. It's not a species that they recognize around here. Chris Campbell __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5474 (20100923) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5474 (20100923) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Mark, that is what I used last time I dealt with them. Hard part anymore is finding parts that fit the exterior countersink in the fiberglas and the hole size. Don't like to have an exterior lip that traps crud. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:49 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing Speaking of scupper fittings, are they simply 2" barsink drain with cross bars? Mark From: Chris Campbell<mailto:cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing On 9/21/2010 7:22 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: My other trademark is for roll-up screens that cram into the scuppers to prevent crud from blocking the water flow. I am calling these "Nongs". That's right, ScupperNongs. There's a regionalism for you. My mom, an Alabama native, always talks about scuppernongs, drawing stares from the locals. They figure, given her accent, that they're probably just mis-hearing some common English word. It's not a species that they recognize around here. Chris Campbell __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5474 (20100923) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5474 (20100923) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Scuppernong wine was a treat every year when we vacationed in the Outer Banks of North Carolina. The kids got a sip from mom and dad's glass if they were behaving well. Were I to travel the intracoastal through the Dismal Swamp I would look for it for nostalgia's sake! Don Dutton, Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 1:20:34 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing On 9/21/2010 7:22 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > > >My other trademark is for roll-up screens that cram into the >scuppers to prevent crud from blocking the water flow. I am >calling these "Nongs". That's right, ScupperNongs. > > There's a regionalism for you. My mom, an Alabama native, always talks about scuppernongs, drawing stares from the locals. They figure, given her accent, that they're probably just mis-hearing some common English word. It's not a species that they recognize around here. Chris Campbell

YUP!!!, Mike F, I concur! From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 1:35:38 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing On 9/23/2010 12:45 AM, Helen Horn wrote: >well my answer is if I was to "dart" and succeeded without crashing into a winch >or cleat with a knee or elbow, I would be just as likely to overshoot my mark or >land on it, a lot like a saint bernard once it gets going. > > OK, I'll get preachy on this point. There are some limitations that come with age or bad luck, like severe arthritis or other kids of disorders, but there are lots of self-inflicted impairments that come from too much eating and too little exercise. You can't change your genes but you can avoid practices that exacerbate the effects of aging. Not too long ago, it was expected that people over 60 or so were simply incapable of exertion. They were expected to sit on the front porch in a rocking chair and wait for death. (My dad, a physician, talked about how pneumonia was sometimes called the "old man's friend." An old guy would fall and break his hip, a permanently disabling injury back then, and the resulting inactivity led to pneumonia, not effectively treatable before penicillin, and the relief of death would follow). Now we can conceive of active old age and most of us hope for it. Use it or lose it is accurate for the self-inflicted harms. Get off your butt, throw away the TV, and do stuff. Recognize your real limitations but don't create a bunch of avoidable ones. Think about Olin Stephens, who still sailed (albeit without much darting around) at 100. The gaff schooner I sailed on last night was donated by a couple who sailed into their 90s. I make the usual old-fart jokes about myself but I also try hard to keep things functioning. When we had a topsail problem on the gaffer last night, I was the one who was asked to climb the ratlines and check it out. Chris Campbell

Perhaps a clarification of my use of the word "dart" Dictionary def, "a sudden quick movement" This is possible on a cal20 with it's flat unobstructed deck, one step up 3 steps forward to where a length of shock cord runs from the bow to the unused forward lower chainplate P&S. The class jib can be secured this way and it will not blow into the water or fly back up the stay. I put my tiller extension against the side of the cockpit and let her jog along on a close reach. I don't have the speed I had in the backfield in high school and my crew,50 years my junior can do the job. I sail singlehanded most of the time and I have developed ways to do a lot of things alone. I would love to have critique on my whisker pole evolutions. I have no system yet for takedown alone in 15k true that is hazard free. From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 9:45:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing well my answer is if I was to "dart" and succeeded without crashing into a winch or cleat with a knee or elbow, I would be just as likely to overshoot my mark or land on it, a lot like a saint Bernard once it gets going. From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 8:11:05 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing I would like to conduct a poll of the our list members to see who is still capable of "darting". On a good day, I "lumber". Not like my 10 years of racing foredeck in the 70s. Sigh... Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris123 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:07 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing Yup tried that. Its the darting forward part that can be a bugger and or a hazard to your health in good blow or close quarters where you never want to be. Why is it that you have to dowse that sail always at the most inconvenient time....:) Thanks Mike /ch On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:07 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Leave it sheeted in as if it were a close reach, drop it as you tack >leaving enough slack so it does not bind on the stay. This will give you time >to dart forward to secure it on deck. > My Best, Mike >

YUP! All the above applies! She sailed with me a lot more often before we got hitched. And yes Allen, I have asked. I am still my best crew. My Best, Mike From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:43:20 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] : - More Sailing content By singlehanding, you are still talking about sailing correct? ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist. Paul In a message dated 9/22/2010 8:44:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com writes: >Maybe you next wife will give you more time. > > >On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:56 PM, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>My Present wife says she will sail with me 2 hours a month. But not this >month! >> >> My Best, Mike >> I singlehand a lot! >> >> >> From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 10:30:27 AM >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] : - More Sailing content >> >> >> >>On 9/21/2010 10:42 AM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: >> >>> >>> >>><There is a hearty group of sailors in Annapolis as well who sail all winter >>>weather permitting.> >> >>My wife used to do that before I met her. They raced out of the Annapolis Yacht >>Club. >> >> >So she turned into a wimp after she married you?? > >Chris Campbell > > > > >

I know of a place in Wisconsin, in the Kettle Moraine State Forest, where there is a cross country ski area called, Scuppernong. Some tough trails. Hilly with curves. I did it once. David Dobbs --- On Thu, 9/23/10, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing (Chris) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 6:21 PM Scuppernong wine was a treat every year when we vacationed in the Outer Banks of North Carolina. The kids got a sip from mom and dad's glass if they were behaving well. Were I to travel the intracoastal through the Dismal Swamp I would look for it for nostalgia's sake! Don Dutton, Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 1:20:34 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Annapolis Frostbite Racing On 9/21/2010 7:22 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: My other trademark is for roll-up screens that cram into the scuppers to prevent crud from blocking the water flow. I am calling these "Nongs". That's right, ScupperNongs. There's a regionalism for you. My mom, an Alabama native, always talks about scuppernongs, drawing stares from the locals. They figure, given her accent, that they're probably just mis-hearing some common English word. It's not a species that they recognize around here. Chris Campbell

She says she will sail with me tomorrow if I can't sail ith anyone else! "yes dear' was my reply. Never give in! My Best, Mike From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 7:25:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] : - More Sailing content Mike, lucky you, I get exactly zero hours a month with my girlfriend of 23 years. But the crew of three women who walked off with a silver Manhattan Jigger (Women at the Helm race last Sat. and Sun., our driver was ecstatic, but the poor gal is a member of AA) Her older sister helmed the Ranger 23 last night/Tuesday, her first time driving in a sailboat race, went ga ga over the experience. Jerry --- On Wed, 9/22/10, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] : - More Sailing content >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 3:56 PM > > > >My Present wife says she will sail with me 2 hours a month. But not this month! > > My Best, Mike > I singlehand a lot! > > > From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 10:30:27 AM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] : - More Sailing content > > > >On 9/21/2010 10:42 AM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > >> >> >><There is a hearty group of sailors in Annapolis as well who sail all winter >>weather permitting.> > >My wife used to do that before I met her. They raced out of the Annapolis Yacht >Club. > > So she turned into a wimp after she married you?? Chris Campbell