When to reef

1) As soon as you wonder when it will be time to reef. 2) When sailing, let the main out to keep the boat at less than the target heal. When the main is flogging so bad you think it will be ripped to shreds, reef. 3) Don't reef, just turn around and down wind. For a long time I did number 1. That is the advice most people will give. Now I mainly do #2 followed by #3. If racing, the decision to reef is made before the race starts when selecting headsails. Then we live with it using #2. I only reefed once this season. It was blowing over 30kt. One of the boats was trying a port start, got out of control, and was t-boned and totaled. They were not reefed. Allen

When racing In the 29 if the wind is 18- 20+ we will reef just before the start and keep the 155. When we get to the weather mark we set the pole and shake the reef round the leeward if wind same we reef again and keep shaking it as needed. This method has proven out well plus its easier on the rigging and sail than flogging. Additionally, reefing is not all that hard to do and its good to practice and get the bugs out of ones systems. Mark Cal 2-29 Races on Stan Lewis's Cal 29 "Neffertiti" 2x national cup winner and last to win the cup! Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] When to reef 1) As soon as you wonder when it will be time to reef. 2) When sailing, let the main out to keep the boat at less than the target heal. When the main is flogging so bad you think it will be ripped to shreds, reef. 3) Don't reef, just turn around and down wind. For a long time I did number 1. That is the advice most people will give. Now I mainly do #2 followed by #3. If racing, the decision to reef is made before the race starts when selecting headsails. Then we live with it using #2. I only reefed once this season. It was blowing over 30kt. One of the boats was trying a port start, got out of control, and was t-boned and totaled. They were not reefed. Allen __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5525 (20101012) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5525 (20101012) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I keep the boat flat, change head sails over 25 degrees, reef when yu can"t stand up to the mark. I have a 155, 135 and a full hoist 90% head sail. Need a CAl 29 class to see what I can improve on. Randy From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 1:06:48 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] When to reef When racing In the 29 if the wind is 18- 20+ we will reef just before the start and keep the 155. When we get to the weather mark we set the pole and shake the reef round the leeward if wind same we reef again and keep shaking it as needed. This method has proven out well plus its easier on the rigging and sail than flogging. Additionally, reefing is not all that hard to do and its good to practice and get the bugs out of ones systems. Mark Cal 2-29 Races on Stan Lewis's Cal 29 "Neffertiti" 2x national cup winner and last to win the cup! Mark >From: Allen Edwards >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:27 AM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] When to reef > > >1) As soon as you wonder when it will be time to reef. >2) When sailing, let the main out to keep the boat at less than the target heal. > When the main is flogging so bad you think it will be ripped to shreds, reef. >3) Don't reef, just turn around and down wind. > > >For a long time I did number 1. That is the advice most people will give. Now >I mainly do #2 followed by #3. If racing, the decision to reef is made before >the race starts when selecting headsails. Then we live with it using #2. I >only reefed once this season. It was blowing over 30kt. One of the boats was >trying a port start, got out of control, and was t-boned and totaled. They were >not reefed. > > >Allen > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 5525 (20101012) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5525 (20101012) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

The L-36 I race against is well sailed. I was talking to the owner and he was talking about a race he was in. 155 jib and 40 kt winds, ocean race out the Golden Gate and back. He said he just flogged the main the entire way. He won by over 1/2 hour. When that happens to us, I tell the crew we picked the wrong sail. But we don't change sails in a race. If not racing, I change sails and reef. On the race this year that we did reef we did so before the start with a 90 jib. The point is, there are lots of way to go about it but letting your boat heal over 45 degrees should not be one of the options if you want to go fast. Flogging the main is an option although not good for the sail at all. My recommendation is to pick the right sail and not to flog the main ;-) On the one race where we did reef, we set the reef before the start and shook it for the downwind leg just as you describe. We use an unhanked 150 instead of a spinnaker. I can't remember what sails we ended up using but I do remember that the wind quit right between us and the boat we try and beat. The entire fleet (except that one boat) caught us and we sat there for some time. The wind came up eventually and the light 150 gave us a jump on the rest of the boats. The winning boat finished in about an hour. We took 2nd, 45 minutes back. Pretty strange. If there had not been a delay in the start because of the crash, we would have won that race for sure maybe even being first to finish as we have an advantage in heavy air over the T-10s. Allen On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I keep the boat flat, change head sails over 25 degrees, reef when yu can"t > stand up to the mark. I have a 155, 135 and a full hoist 90% head sail. > > Need a CAl 29 class to see what I can improve on. > > Randy > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tue, October 12, 2010 1:06:48 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] When to reef > > > > When racing In the 29 if the wind is 18- 20+ we will reef just before the > start and keep the 155. When we get to the weather mark we set the pole and > shake the reef round the leeward if wind same we reef again and keep shaking > it as needed. This method has proven out well plus its easier on the rigging > and sail than flogging. Additionally, reefing is not all that hard to do and > its good to practice and get the bugs out of ones systems. > Mark > Cal 2-29 > Races on Stan Lewis's Cal 29 "Neffertiti" 2x national cup winner and last > to win the cup! > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:27 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] When to reef > > > > 1) As soon as you wonder when it will be time to reef. > 2) When sailing, let the main out to keep the boat at less than the target > heal. When the main is flogging so bad you think it will be ripped > to shreds, reef. > 3) Don't reef, just turn around and down wind. > > For a long time I did number 1. That is the advice most people will give. > Now I mainly do #2 followed by #3. If racing, the decision to reef is made > before the race starts when selecting headsails. Then we live with it using > #2. I only reefed once this season. It was blowing over 30kt. One of the > boats was trying a port start, got out of control, and was t-boned and > totaled. They were not reefed. > > Allen > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5525 (20101012) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5525 (20101012) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > >

Rand;y, do you reef first then change headsail? We seem to always live with the headsail choice...a 155 upto about 28knots and flogging a reefed main. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] When to reef The L-36 I race against is well sailed. I was talking to the owner and he was talking about a race he was in. 155 jib and 40 kt winds, ocean race out the Golden Gate and back. He said he just flogged the main the entire way. He won by over 1/2 hour. When that happens to us, I tell the crew we picked the wrong sail. But we don't change sails in a race. If not racing, I change sails and reef. On the race this year that we did reef we did so before the start with a 90 jib. The point is, there are lots of way to go about it but letting your boat heal over 45 degrees should not be one of the options if you want to go fast. Flogging the main is an option although not good for the sail at all. My recommendation is to pick the right sail and not to flog the main ;-) On the one race where we did reef, we set the reef before the start and shook it for the downwind leg just as you describe. We use an unhanked 150 instead of a spinnaker. I can't remember what sails we ended up using but I do remember that the wind quit right between us and the boat we try and beat. The entire fleet (except that one boat) caught us and we sat there for some time. The wind came up eventually and the light 150 gave us a jump on the rest of the boats. The winning boat finished in about an hour. We took 2nd, 45 minutes back. Pretty strange. If there had not been a delay in the start because of the crash, we would have won that race for sure maybe even being first to finish as we have an advantage in heavy air over the T-10s. Allen On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Randy Alcorn <sa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: I keep the boat flat, change head sails over 25 degrees, reef when yu can"t stand up to the mark. I have a 155, 135 and a full hoist 90% head sail. Need a CAl 29 class to see what I can improve on. Randy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 1:06:48 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] When to reef When racing In the 29 if the wind is 18- 20+ we will reef just before the start and keep the 155. When we get to the weather mark we set the pole and shake the reef round the leeward if wind same we reef again and keep shaking it as needed. This method has proven out well plus its easier on the rigging and sail than flogging. Additionally, reefing is not all that hard to do and its good to practice and get the bugs out of ones systems. Mark Cal 2-29 Races on Stan Lewis's Cal 29 "Neffertiti" 2x national cup winner and last to win the cup! Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] When to reef 1) As soon as you wonder when it will be time to reef. 2) When sailing, let the main out to keep the boat at less than the target heal. When the main is flogging so bad you think it will be ripped to shreds, reef. 3) Don't reef, just turn around and down wind. For a long time I did number 1. That is the advice most people will give. Now I mainly do #2 followed by #3. If racing, the decision to reef is made before the race starts when selecting headsails. Then we live with it using #2. I only reefed once this season. It was blowing over 30kt. One of the boats was trying a port start, got out of control, and was t-boned and totaled. They were not reefed. Allen __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5525 (20101012) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5525 (20101012) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5528 (20101013) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5528 (20101013) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I change head sails to a #2 then reef. I just bought the #3, it is a blade, so I haven't had a chance to figure out if I can still carry a full main. &nbsp;My old #3 was a short hoist with a high clew and it attached to my genoa track further back. So you were reefed when you changed to the 3. I sail against a Cal 25 and a couple of Catalina 27s. ...&nbsp;"Sailing to weather. " They will always leave the #1 up and reef. I will change head sails and out point them by 20-30 degrees and sail to the mark.&nbsp; I throw in the sailing to weather and add if we are close to the mark we may just feather it up till we round the mark and then change sails before the next upwind leg. I carry the #1 lin higher pressure on a reach. Definitely down wind in higher winds. Like Alfred pointed out, if my wheel is over 5 degrees weather helm and we are dragging the rudder. Or we have 5 degrees lee&nbsp;helm. It&nbsp;is time to make a decission. I just put insturments on Out Patient for the 1st time. &nbsp;So I could never tell you how much wind we had. Or what the wind shifts were. I just knew the boat was slow or didn't have enough power, or if we were not heading in the direction of the mark. I always made decissions by how the boat felt. &nbsp;Now I am learning to sail all over again. Randy -- Sent from my Palm Pixi On Oct 13, 2010 8:45, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) &lt;ma… [at] cox.net&gt; wrote: &nbsp; Rand;y, do you reef first then&nbsp;change headsail? We seem to always live with the headsail choice...a 155 upto about 28knots and flogging a reefed main. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] When to reef &nbsp; The L-36 I race against is well sailed. &nbsp;I was talking to the owner and he was talking about a race he was in. 155 &nbsp;jib and 40 kt winds, ocean race out the Golden Gate and back. &nbsp;He said he just flogged the main the entire way. &nbsp;He won by over 1/2 hour. &nbsp;When that happens to us, I tell the crew we picked the wrong sail. &nbsp;But we don't change sails in a race. &nbsp;If not racing, I change sails and reef. &nbsp;On the race this year that we did reef we did so before the start with a 90 jib. &nbsp; The point is, there are lots of way to go about it but letting your boat heal over 45 degrees should not be one of the options if you want to go fast. &nbsp;Flogging the main is an option although not good for the sail at all. &nbsp;My recommendation is to pick the right sail and not to flog the main ;-) On the one race where we did reef, we set the reef before the start and shook it for the downwind leg just as you&nbsp;describe. &nbsp;We use an unhanked 150 instead of a spinnaker. &nbsp;I can't remember what sails we ended up using but I do remember that the wind quit right between us and the boat we try and beat. &nbsp;The entire fleet (except that one boat) caught us and we sat there for some time. &nbsp;The wind came up eventually and the light 150 gave us a jump on the rest of the boats. &nbsp;The winning boat finished in about an hour. &nbsp;We took 2nd, 45 minutes back. &nbsp;Pretty strange. &nbsp;If there had not been a delay in the start because of the crash, we would have won that race for sure maybe even being first to finish as we have an advantage in heavy air over the T-10s. Allen On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Randy Alcorn &lt;sa… [at] yahoo.com&gt; wrote: &nbsp; I keep the boat flat, change head sails over 25 degrees, reef when yu can"t stand up to the mark. I have a 155, 135 and a full hoist 90% head sail. &nbsp; Need a CAl 29 class to see what I can improve on. &nbsp; Randy &nbsp; From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) &lt;ma… [at] cox.net&gt; To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 1:06:48 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] When to reef &nbsp; When racing In the 29 if the &nbsp;wind is 18- 20+ we will reef just before the start and keep the 155. When we get to the weather mark we set the pole and shake the reef round the leeward if wind same we reef again and keep shaking it as needed. This method has proven out well plus its easier on the rigging and sail than flogging. Additionally, reefing is not all that hard to do and its good to practice and get the bugs out of ones systems. Mark Cal 2-29 Races on Stan Lewis's Cal 29 "Neffertiti" 2x national cup winner and last to win the cup! Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Edwards To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] When to reef &nbsp; 1) As soon as you wonder when it will be time to reef. 2) When sailing, let the main out to keep the boat at less than the target heal. &nbsp;When the main is flogging so bad you think it will be ripped to&nbsp;shreds, &nbsp;reef. 3) Don't reef, just turn around and down wind. For a long time I did number 1. &nbsp;That is the advice most people will give. &nbsp;Now I mainly do #2 followed by #3. &nbsp;If racing, the decision to reef is made before the race starts when selecting headsails. &nbsp;Then we live with it using #2. &nbsp;I only reefed once this season. &nbsp;It was blowing over 30kt. &nbsp;One of the boats was trying a port start, got out of control, and was t-boned and totaled. &nbsp;They were not reefed. 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