lazy jacks

My bride has one request for our Cal.......lazy jacks. I've seen several pre built systems, but none of them excite me. Our Cal 27 would only need a simple system, probbly only one line at the boom, passing from the boom through the end of the upper line, then back to boom. Some lazy jack systems allow for retracting by easing the upper line and carrying the lines back to a hook at the mast. To deploy, go to mast, unhook lines, tension and cleat. I want something different. I envision a single control line in the cockpit via a line clutch. As the line runs forward it passes through a block at the base of the mast to turn vertical. Shortly above that block, it "splits" in two to run up each side of the mast, to a block on each side of the mast just above gooseneck level. from there, it runs to terminate at a small block. The loser line of the Lazy jacks attaches about 2/3 of the way out the boom. From there, it passes through the small block of teh controll line, through a small block on the upper line (which runs to the mast just below th espreaders) and then back to the boom near the gooseneck. the upper lazy jack line is fixed length line. The lower lazy jack line is bungee, perhaps 3/16. Tensioning the control line draws everything back to the mast. Easing the control line allows the bungee to re-deploy the system. Voila! and the control line could be used to adjust them in a little if there were problems. PLEASE critique this idea! Reggie-water off a duck- Good Cal 27 >From: SailboatOwners.com <ca… [at] lists.sailboatowners.com> >Reply-To: "Cal Sailboat Owners" <Ca… [at] lists.sailboatowners.com> >To: my… [at] hotmail.com >Subject: [Cal Owners] A new topic has been posted in the forum! >Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:11:49 -0700 > >A new topic has been added to the Cal forum: > >"using a lazy jack system" > >To read it, go to: > >http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/menunew.tpl?fno=499.9 > > >To see _all_ forum activity from the past 24 hours go to: > >http://www.sailboatowners.com/24/ > > >This is a notification email only. Please do not reply to this email. > > > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this notification list go here: > >http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/unsub.htm?fno=499.9 > >The Cal Forum is brought to you by: > >SailboatOwners.com * 1333 N. Northlake Way * Seattle, WA * 98103 * >877-932-7245 >

I am a pack rat - so I also pack messages from sites I like. I am going to paste below what I saved from a good lazy jack: From: Chris Floyd [cs… [at] yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 6:13 PM To: ca… [at] sailnet.net Subject: [cal-list] Homemade Lazy Jack setup? After wrestling with lowering my new fully battened main last weekend, it's become painfully obvious that I need a lazy jack system, but I can't rationalize spending $150 on a pre-made system. I'd like a system that allows the lazy jacks to either be slackened forward or easily removed (like a 'ring' configuration or 'bungee' jacks). I did lots of searching (including Sailnet archives) but haven't yet decided which way to go... I found this 'ring' configuration: http://www.slowflight.net/upgrades/lazyjacks.html And this 'bungee jack' setup: http://www.geocities.com/opahay/ideas.htm#lazy I'm leaning towards the latter, which seems to be the best of both worlds (as long as it works). Any other suggestions/diagrams/alternatives would be very welcome! The good news is that she did great on the 15 mile trip in 20+ knot winds in the Pamlico sound on the trip from Whittaker Creek to Point Marins (Whortonsville). We were on a broad reach pretty much the whole way, surfing down 3 foot waves. With the surfing action going on, the GPS clocked our sustained speed at over 7 knots for much of the trip! She handled beautifully! Stable as a rock... -Chris Floyd AND THIS: From: jo… [at] peco-energy.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:54 AM To: ca… [at] sailnet.net Subject: RE: [cal-list] Homemade Lazy Jack setup? John: Does this help explain your setup? http://mywebpage.netscape.com/TedsSailingPage/lazyjack.html In the words (ok, word) of the esteamed Charlie Husar: "Cheers!" Jon Myers -----Original Message----- From: JJ… [at] aol.com [mailto:JJ… [at] aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:49 AM To: ca… [at] sailnet.net Subject: Re: [cal-list] Homemade Lazy Jack setup? If you can get near Annapolis you can see my 'home-made' lazzy jacks...Picture two large circles of line under the boom;..bring the parts that are on the'side' up; then another line connecting the two loops'; now two lines to the spreaders and down to cleats. I wish I could draw on the computor. It really is a simple system that has faired well for about 7 years. I can fax a drawing if you send me your fax # (mine= 410.867.8372) John Berens Shady Side, MD 1970 Cal 34 KILLICK r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: My bride has one request for our Cal.......lazy jacks. I've seen several pre built systems, but none of them excite me. Our Cal 27 would only need a simple system, probbly only one line at the boom, passing from the boom through the end of the upper line, then back to boom. Some lazy jack systems allow for retracting by easing the upper line and carrying the lines back to a hook at the mast. To deploy, go to mast, unhook lines, tension and cleat. I want something different. I envision a single control line in the cockpit via a line clutch. As the line runs forward it passes through a block at the base of the mast to turn vertical. Shortly above that block, it "splits" in two to run up each side of the mast, to a block on each side of the mast just above gooseneck level. from there, it runs to terminate at a small block. The loser line of the Lazy jacks attaches about 2/3 of the way out the boom. From there, it passes through the small block of teh controll line, through a small block on the upper line (which runs to the mast just below th espreaders) and then back to the boom near the gooseneck. the upper lazy jack line is fixed length line. The lower lazy jack line is bungee, perhaps 3/16. Tensioning the control line draws everything back to the mast. Easing the control line allows the bungee to re-deploy the system. Voila! and the control line could be used to adjust them in a little if there were problems. PLEASE critique this idea! Reggie-water off a duck- Good Cal 27 >From: SailboatOwners.com <ca… [at] lists.sailboatowners.com> >Reply-To: "Cal Sailboat Owners" <Ca… [at] lists.sailboatowners.com> >To: my… [at] hotmail.com >Subject: [Cal Owners] A new topic has been posted in the forum! >Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:11:49 -0700 > >A new topic has been added to the Cal forum: > >"using a lazy jack system" > >To read it, go to: > >http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/menunew.tpl?fno=499.9 > > >To see _all_ forum activity from the past 24 hours go to: > >http://www.sailboatowners.com/24/ > > >This is a notification email only. Please do not reply to this email. > > > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this notification list go here: > >http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/unsub.htm?fno=499.9 > >The Cal Forum is brought to you by: > >SailboatOwners.com * 1333 N. Northlake Way * Seattle, WA * 98103 * >877-932-7245 > --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Although I hate to do it I am going to install some form of a lazy jack system on our Cal 39 this winter. My goal is to make the boat as easy to double hand as possible with kids on board. Right now we have no roller furler, no self tailing winches and no lazy jacks. I got the auto pilot working which is a big help but sail handling needs to be simplified. Roller furler is on order. If I have any money left I hope to find used self tailers to replace my Barient 28's or get winchmates for them. So, not ever having dealt with lazy jacks except on charter boats in the BVI's does anyone have any do's or don'ts or advice? We like to race so we want them retractable and if there is a way to make them easily removable that'd be the best. The potential issue with the retraction is that we have 3 halyard/lines exiting each side of the mast and will also be re-rigging the spin car to have a 2:1 purchase so the stbd side of the mast will have one more line to deal with. Thanks in advance - Paul West Adventure Kwest '80 Cal 39

Paul, I have installed a system on my Cal 43 (WindSwept) of my own design. To be honest, I simply saw how all the others were done, and put my own spin on it. Complete system for under $100, retractable, and unlike a lot of systems, mine will double as a topping lift in a pinch, as I looped under the boom on all legs. I'm sure there are drawbacks to this I've not encountered yet, but as you point out, handling these big sails can be a bear. We went from an hour and a half of swearing (and only getting a marginal flake) with two people, to ten minutes by my self, resulting in a sail that appeared to be put up quite professionally. I'd be happy to send pictures, and chat with you about what I was thinking as I laid it all out. You will have to take a little time to learn how to splice eyes if you want a nice looking installation, but it's not nearly as difficult as some of my friends made it out to be. Dan --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, pwestla@... wrote: > > Although I hate to do it I am going to install some form of a lazy jack > system on our Cal 39 this winter. My goal is to make the boat as easy to > double hand as possible with kids on board. Right now we have no roller > furler, no self tailing winches and no lazy jacks. I got the auto pilot working > which is a big help but sail handling needs to be simplified. Roller > furler is on order. If I have any money left I hope to find used self tailers > to replace my Barient 28's or get winchmates for them. > > So, not ever having dealt with lazy jacks except on charter boats in the > BVI's does anyone have any do's or don'ts or advice? We like to race so we > want them retractable and if there is a way to make them easily removable > that'd be the best. The potential issue with the retraction is that we have > 3 halyard/lines exiting each side of the mast and will also be re-rigging > the spin car to have a 2:1 purchase so the stbd side of the mast will have > one more line to deal with. > > Thanks in advance - > > Paul West > Adventure Kwest > '80 Cal 39 >

I would be very interested and am curious about your design as well for the 29. Considered making my own as it does not look that difficult to replicate what harken sells. Perhaps you could post to the list as I'm sure there are many here who are interested as well. The system I have which came with the boat are a set of bungee type cords that require you to put them in place prior to lowering the sail creating the needed web. Works, inexpensive but cumbersome as you need to hop around the mast and deploy them on both sides manually. Looking for a simple to deploy solution Best regards and thanks /ch

me, too, me too! Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: ch… [at] gmail.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:53:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Lazy Jacks I would be very interested and am curious about your design as well for the 29. Considered making my own as it does not look that difficult to replicate what harken sells. Perhaps you could post to the list as I'm sure there are many here who are interested as well. The system I have which came with the boat are a set of bungee type cords that require you to put them in place prior to lowering the sail creating the needed web. Works, inexpensive but cumbersome as you need to hop around the mast and deploy them on both sides manually. Looking for a simple to deploy solution Best regards and thanks /ch

Dan, I would like pic's and info on what you designed for your lazy jacks as well. I am considering doing the same to my 2-29 this winter. My crew is all off to college next year and the admiral doesn't really like to sail, so I will be doing a lot of solo from here on out. Thanks, in advance Rick Lobb Cal 2-29 "Rebecca Shea" Bellingham, Wa From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of daneasysailing Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 8:46 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Lazy Jacks Paul, I have installed a system on my Cal 43 (WindSwept) of my own design. To be honest, I simply saw how all the others were done, and put my own spin on it. Complete system for under $100, retractable, and unlike a lot of systems, mine will double as a topping lift in a pinch, as I looped under the boom on all legs. I'm sure there are drawbacks to this I've not encountered yet, but as you point out, handling these big sails can be a bear. We went from an hour and a half of swearing (and only getting a marginal flake) with two people, to ten minutes by my self, resulting in a sail that appeared to be put up quite professionally. I'd be happy to send pictures, and chat with you about what I was thinking as I laid it all out. You will have to take a little time to learn how to splice eyes if you want a nice looking installation, but it's not nearly as difficult as some of my friends made it out to be. Dan --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> , pwestla@... wrote: > > Although I hate to do it I am going to install some form of a lazy jack > system on our Cal 39 this winter. My goal is to make the boat as easy to > double hand as possible with kids on board. Right now we have no roller > furler, no self tailing winches and no lazy jacks. I got the auto pilot working > which is a big help but sail handling needs to be simplified. Roller > furler is on order. If I have any money left I hope to find used self tailers > to replace my Barient 28's or get winchmates for them. > > So, not ever having dealt with lazy jacks except on charter boats in the > BVI's does anyone have any do's or don'ts or advice? We like to race so we > want them retractable and if there is a way to make them easily removable > that'd be the best. The potential issue with the retraction is that we have > 3 halyard/lines exiting each side of the mast and will also be re-rigging > the spin car to have a 2:1 purchase so the stbd side of the mast will have > one more line to deal with. > > Thanks in advance - > > Paul West > Adventure Kwest > '80 Cal 39 >

Dan, please share this, our cal 36 boom is 16 feet long and makes for a wild ride for the short guys at the cockpit end of the boom. Helen From: daneasysailing <da… [at] hotmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 8:45:37 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Lazy Jacks Paul, I have installed a system on my Cal 43 (WindSwept) of my own design. To be honest, I simply saw how all the others were done, and put my own spin on it. Complete system for under $100, retractable, and unlike a lot of systems, mine will double as a topping lift in a pinch, as I looped under the boom on all legs. I'm sure there are drawbacks to this I've not encountered yet, but as you point out, handling these big sails can be a bear. We went from an hour and a half of swearing (and only getting a marginal flake) with two people, to ten minutes by my self, resulting in a sail that appeared to be put up quite professionally. I'd be happy to send pictures, and chat with you about what I was thinking as I laid it all out. You will have to take a little time to learn how to splice eyes if you want a nice looking installation, but it's not nearly as difficult as some of my friends made it out to be. Dan --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, pwestla@... wrote: > > Although I hate to do it I am going to install some form of a lazy jack > system on our Cal 39 this winter. My goal is to make the boat as easy to > double hand as possible with kids on board. Right now we have no roller > furler, no self tailing winches and no lazy jacks. I got the auto pilot >working > > which is a big help but sail handling needs to be simplified. Roller > furler is on order. If I have any money left I hope to find used self tailers > > to replace my Barient 28's or get winchmates for them. > > So, not ever having dealt with lazy jacks except on charter boats in the > BVI's does anyone have any do's or don'ts or advice? We like to race so we > want them retractable and if there is a way to make them easily removable > that'd be the best. The potential issue with the retraction is that we have > 3 halyard/lines exiting each side of the mast and will also be re-rigging > the spin car to have a 2:1 purchase so the stbd side of the mast will have > one more line to deal with. > > Thanks in advance - > > Paul West > Adventure Kwest > '80 Cal 39 >

Paul: Our 34 came with LazyJacks and they are one of the most valued pieces of equipment on board. They take out some of the dropping-the-sail-pucker-factor for us. It's nice to know we can drop the main in a pinch and know where it will fall. Mine is retractable and this prevents the sail from fouling the LazyJack during hoist. It's as simple as a couple bungies at the mast. I just want to add a boom brake and we'll be set. Lastly, I'm not as confident in the Winchmates as you. They are not a replacement for a self tailer as they don't arrest heavy drag as well. have you searched for good, used winches? Good luck, Danny --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, pwestla@... wrote: > > Although I hate to do it I am going to install some form of a lazy jack > system on our Cal 39 this winter. My goal is to make the boat as easy to > double hand as possible with kids on board. Right now we have no roller > furler, no self tailing winches and no lazy jacks. I got the auto pilot working > which is a big help but sail handling needs to be simplified. Roller > furler is on order. If I have any money left I hope to find used self tailers > to replace my Barient 28's or get winchmates for them. > > So, not ever having dealt with lazy jacks except on charter boats in the > BVI's does anyone have any do's or don'ts or advice? We like to race so we > want them retractable and if there is a way to make them easily removable > that'd be the best. The potential issue with the retraction is that we have > 3 halyard/lines exiting each side of the mast and will also be re-rigging > the spin car to have a 2:1 purchase so the stbd side of the mast will have > one more line to deal with. > > Thanks in advance - > > Paul West > Adventure Kwest > '80 Cal 39 >

Paul, There was an article in a recent Good Old Boat magazine on how to make your own, and they are retractable I am not a fan of lazyjacks; I have seen some that the battens get hung up on when raising the sail unless the boat is pointed dead into the wind I think I might give this design a try. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Fri, 10/15/10, pw… [at] aol.com <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: From: pw… [at] aol.com <pw… [at] aol.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Lazy Jacks To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 10:31 AM Although I hate to do it I am going to install some form of a lazy jack system on our Cal 39 this winter. My goal is to make the boat as easy to double hand as possible with kids on board. Right now we have no roller furler, no self tailing winches and no lazy jacks. I got the auto pilot working which is a big help but sail handling needs to be simplified. Roller furler is on order. If I have any money left I hope to find used self tailers to replace my Barient 28's or get winchmates for them. So, not ever having dealt with lazy jacks except on charter boats in the BVI's does anyone have any do's or don'ts or advice? We like to race so we want them retractable and if there is a way to make them easily removable that'd be the best. The potential issue with the retraction is that we have 3 halyard/lines exiting each side of the mast and will also be re-rigging the spin car to have a 2:1 purchase so the stbd side of the mast will have one more line to deal with. Thanks in advance - Paul West Adventure Kwest '80 Cal 39

When I got the 2-29, it had lazy jacks and I was planning on removing them at daybreak. But went sailing instead. Although they do help they do not replace sail ties when bringing her into the slip as I found out the hard way. A puff of wind caught enough sail within the lazy jacks to keep me a believer in sail ties. I like the idea of some bungie somewhere so I can keep it expandable as the sail drops in place and loose enough so I do not have to adjust it out each time I sail. Like the Hammock! Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: david dobbs To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Lazy Jacks(Paul) Paul, There was an article in a recent Good Old Boat magazine on how to make your own, and they are retractable I am not a fan of lazyjacks; I have seen some that the battens get hung up on when raising the sail unless the boat is pointed dead into the wind I think I might give this design a try. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Fri, 10/15/10, pw… [at] aol.com <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: From: pw… [at] aol.com <pw… [at] aol.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Lazy Jacks To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 10:31 AM Although I hate to do it I am going to install some form of a lazy jack system on our Cal 39 this winter. My goal is to make the boat as easy to double hand as possible with kids on board. Right now we have no roller furler, no self tailing winches and no lazy jacks. I got the auto pilot working which is a big help but sail handling needs to be simplified. Roller furler is on order. If I have any money left I hope to find used self tailers to replace my Barient 28's or get winchmates for them. So, not ever having dealt with lazy jacks except on charter boats in the BVI's does anyone have any do's or don'ts or advice? We like to race so we want them retractable and if there is a way to make them easily removable that'd be the best. The potential issue with the retraction is that we have 3 halyard/lines exiting each side of the mast and will also be re-rigging the spin car to have a 2:1 purchase so the stbd side of the mast will have one more line to deal with. Thanks in advance - Paul West Adventure Kwest '80 Cal 39 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5535 (20101015) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5535 (20101015) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Mark, Can't agree more. Must have the sail secured before attempting to dock. Lazy Jacks simply make securing a much more managable task, at least on the bigger sails. Never needed them much on my Cal 2-27, but simply indespenable on the 43 when short handed. Dan --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Mark Alan Stahnke \(MAS Consulting\)" <masconsult@...> wrote: > > When I got the 2-29, it had lazy jacks and I was planning on removing them at daybreak. But went sailing instead. Although they do help they do not replace sail ties when bringing her into the slip as I found out the hard way. A puff of wind caught enough sail within the lazy jacks to keep me a believer in sail ties. > I like the idea of some bungie somewhere so I can keep it expandable as the sail drops in place and loose enough so I do not have to adjust it out each time I sail. > Like the Hammock! > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: david dobbs > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Lazy Jacks(Paul) > > > > Paul, > There was an article in a recent Good Old Boat magazine on how to make your own, and they are retractable I am not a fan of lazyjacks; I have seen some that the battens get hung up on when raising the sail unless the boat is pointed dead into the wind I think I might give this design a try. > > Regards, > David Dobbs > > > --- On Fri, 10/15/10, pwestla@... <pwestla@...> wrote: > > > From: pwestla@... <pwestla@...> > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Lazy Jacks > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 10:31 AM > > > > Although I hate to do it I am going to install some form of a lazy jack system on our Cal 39 this winter. My goal is to make the boat as easy to double hand as possible with kids on board. Right now we have no roller furler, no self tailing winches and no lazy jacks. I got the auto pilot working which is a big help but sail handling needs to be simplified. Roller furler is on order. If I have any money left I hope to find used self tailers to replace my Barient 28's or get winchmates for them. > > So, not ever having dealt with lazy jacks except on charter boats in the BVI's does anyone have any do's or don'ts or advice? We like to race so we want them retractable and if there is a way to make them easily removable that'd be the best. The potential issue with the retraction is that we have 3 halyard/lines exiting each side of the mast and will also be re-rigging the spin car to have a 2:1 purchase so the stbd side of the mast will have one more line to deal with. > > Thanks in advance - > > Paul West > Adventure Kwest > '80 Cal 39 > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5535 (20101015) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5535 (20101015) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com >