Beta 14 repower

I have odered a new Beta 14 to repower Mariposa. While the engine is being produced, I am trying to get ready for the install. I know some of you have done this repower and would appreciate your suggestions. Where and how did you mount your control panels? If you have Yacht Specialties steering pedestal, it appears that both the speed and shift levers will push the control cables backwards of what the Beta requires. How do you deal with that? Wilkie

On wheel steered boats, we strongly suggest the control panel be mounted where it can be touched, and observed, while standing at the wheel. Generally, this means the panel should be recessed into the cockpit seatback, on port or starb'd. We can supply a recessed panel mount for this application. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* On 10/15/2010 11:54 AM, DavidOwen wrote: > > I have odered a new Beta 14 to repower Mariposa. While the engine is > being produced, I am trying to get ready for the install. I know some > of you have done this repower and would appreciate your suggestions. > > Where and how did you mount your control panels? > > If you have Yacht Specialties steering pedestal, it appears that both > the speed and shift levers will push the control cables backwards of > what the Beta requires. How do you deal with that? > > Wilkie > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3198 - Release Date: 10/15/10 02:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

You have any details on size of those panels (are they generic etc) as I need to relocate my controls for the A-4 from the cockpit well to the recommended position as well. Cant see a thing where they are currently located. Temp solution is to place a vehicle mirror on the opposite side, works but only if you reeeaaally squint..:) Best regards and thanks /ch

The recessed panel mounts [ to recessed your engine control panel ] are in the following sizes - 1] Hole cut out = 9" w x 3.5" high, Overall size is 11.5" w x 5.5" high. 2] Hole cut out = 10.25 x " w x 5" high, Overall size is 12" w x 7" high. 3] Hole cut out = 15" w x 6.75" high, Overall size is 17" w x 8.75" high. This is perfect for the Beta Marine "C" panel. Please contact me off list for pricing. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* On 10/15/2010 12:27 PM, chris123 wrote: > > > You have any details on size of those panels (are they generic etc) > as I need to relocate my controls for the A-4 from the cockpit well to > the recommended position as well. Cant see a thing where they are > currently located. Temp solution is to place a vehicle mirror on the > opposite side, works but only if you reeeaaally squint..:) > > Best regards and thanks > > /ch > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3198 - Release Date: 10/15/10 02:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

Wilkie, The repower is a slam dunk. My panel is located on the starboard side seat front, where the old one was for the farymann. For my cables, I fabricated a couple of brackets to run them two and looped them back to the brackets. I can take pic's and send them if you would like. Rick Lobb Cal 2-29 "Rebecca Shea" Bellingham, Wa. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DavidOwen Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 8:54 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower I have odered a new Beta 14 to repower Mariposa. While the engine is being produced, I am trying to get ready for the install. I know some of you have done this repower and would appreciate your suggestions. Where and how did you mount your control panels? If you have Yacht Specialties steering pedestal, it appears that both the speed and shift levers will push the control cables backwards of what the Beta requires. How do you deal with that? Wilkie

Rick, That would be great. I would appreciate your effort. Wilkie On Oct 15, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Rick Lobb wrote: > > Wilkie, > > > > The repower is a slam dunk. > > > > My panel is located on the starboard side seat front, where the old > one was for the farymann. > > > > For my cables, I fabricated a couple of brackets to run them two and > looped them back to the brackets. I can take pic’s and send them if > you would like. > > > > Rick Lobb > > Cal 2-29 “Rebecca Shea” > > Bellingham, Wa. > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of DavidOwen > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 8:54 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower > > > > > > > > I have odered a new Beta 14 to repower Mariposa. While the engine is > being produced, I am trying to get ready for the install. I know some > of you have done this repower and would appreciate your suggestions. > > Where and how did you mount your control panels? > > If you have Yacht Specialties steering pedestal, it appears that both > the speed and shift levers will push the control cables backwards of > what the Beta requires. How do you deal with that? > > Wilkie > > > >

Wilkie, I repowered my Cal 2-29 with a Beta 16 earlier this year. I modified 2 of the brackets that came with the engine along with fabricating one on my own just reversing the input/output of the throttle and transmission cables. They work like a charm, It looks really clean and it also enabled me to just use my old cables from the farymann along with the original pedestal. Let me know if you want me to send you a couple photos, Frans Cal 2-29 Hull #946 Seattle, WA From: Rick Lobb <lr… [at] qwest.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 9:45:53 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) Wilkie, The repower is a slam dunk. My panel is located on the starboard side seat front, where the old one was for the farymann. For my cables, I fabricated a couple of brackets to run them two and looped them back to the brackets. I can take pic’s and send them if you would like. Rick Lobb Cal 2-29 “Rebecca Shea” Bellingham, Wa. From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DavidOwen Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 8:54 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower I have odered a new Beta 14 to repower Mariposa. While the engine is being produced, I am trying to get ready for the install. I know some of you have done this repower and would appreciate your suggestions. Where and how did you mount your control panels? If you have Yacht Specialties steering pedestal, it appears that both the speed and shift levers will push the control cables backwards of what the Beta requires. How do you deal with that? Wilkie

Wilkie, Take a look here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 and sliding the BZ482 in easy. I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB drive at home. I'll be happy to share. My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for photos of that. --Michael-- From: DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 11:54:22 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower I have odered a new Beta 14 to repower Mariposa. While the engine is being produced, I am trying to get ready for the install. I know some of you have done this repower and would appreciate your suggestions. Where and how did you mount your control panels? If you have Yacht Specialties steering pedestal, it appears that both the speed and shift levers will push the control cables backwards of what the Beta requires. How do you deal with that? Wilkie

Michael, Thanks for the photo-link. Looks like a very clean install. I noticed that your morse cables run into the engine in a "normal" fashion. Do you have the side mounted control handles? Are your controls backwards? I have found a couple of guys who just adjusted to pulling back on the throttle to apply power. I will definitely copy your skid idea. I pulled the little BMW without one and had a couple of anxious moments as it hovered over my teak and holly cabin sole. :( I look forward to seeing any photos that you can send along. Wilkie On Oct 15, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Michael D wrote: > > Wilkie, > > Take a look here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 > Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 > and sliding the BZ482 in easy. > > I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB > drive at home. I'll be happy to share. > > My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for > photos of that. > > --Michael-- > From: DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 11:54:22 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower > > > > > I have odered a new Beta 14 to repower Mariposa. While the engine is > being produced, I am trying to get ready for the install. I know some > of you have done this repower and would appreciate your suggestions. > > Where and how did you mount your control panels? > > If you have Yacht Specialties steering pedestal, it appears that both > the speed and shift levers will push the control cables backwards of > what the Beta requires. How do you deal with that? > > Wilkie > > > >

Wilkie, Here is a photo I shot Saturday of the BetaMarine panel. You can see the toggle switches and splash cover. I highly recommend the "splash cover". Here in the south FL sun, the original gauge covers crazed and became difficult to read after about 5 years. I ended up having to replace them. --Michael-- From: DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 4:19:20 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) Michael, Thanks for the photo-link. Looks like a very clean install. I noticed that your morse cables run into the engine in a "normal" fashion. Do you have the side mounted control handles? Are your controls backwards? I have found a couple of guys who just adjusted to pulling back on the throttle to apply power. I will definitely copy your skid idea. I pulled the little BMW without one and had a couple of anxious moments as it hovered over my teak and holly cabin sole. :( I look forward to seeing any photos that you can send along. Wilkie On Oct 15, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Michael D wrote: > >Wilkie, > >Take a look >here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 >Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 and sliding >the BZ482 in easy. > > >I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB drive at >home. I'll be happy to share. > >My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for photos of >that. > >--Michael-- > > From: DavidOwen <wi… [at] mariposasailing.com> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 11:54:22 AM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower > > > > >I have odered a new Beta 14 to repower Mariposa. While the engine is >being produced, I am trying to get ready for the install. I know some >of you have done this repower and would appreciate your suggestions. > >Where and how did you mount your control panels? > >If you have Yacht Specialties steering pedestal, it appears that both >the speed and shift levers will push the control cables backwards of >what the Beta requires. How do you deal with that? > >Wilkie > > > >

May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as seen in the online pictures? Joe D >> Wilkie, >> >> Take a look here >> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 <http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66> >> Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 >> and sliding the BZ482 in easy. >> >> I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB >> drive at home. I'll be happy to share. >> >> My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for >> photos of that. >> >> --Michael-- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> **

Joe, Sure thing... I'm always willing to learn something new. Perhaps it's something I need to take a second look at and rectify it before it gets me into trouble. --Michael-- From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 12:01:42 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as seen in the online pictures? Joe D Wilkie, >> >>Take a look >>here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 >>Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 and sliding >>the BZ482 in easy. >> >> >>I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB drive at >>home. I'll be happy to share. >> >>My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for photos of >>that. >> >>--Michael-- >> >>

Don't know about anyone else, but constructive criticism and good discussion is one of my favorite things about this list. Joe, I used Fram filters my whole life and over 1,000,000 miles on automobiles. Since your discussion about oil filters, I haven't used another one. Have switched to Bosch on my automobiles and use the Yanmar on my boat. Having looked at those photos, I would be very curious to know what you would do differently. All of this becomes stored knowledge for that job I will have to do on my own boat some day in the future! Keep it coming. Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 9:01:42 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as seen in the online pictures? Joe D Wilkie, >> >>Take a look >>here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 >>Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 and sliding >>the BZ482 in easy. >> >> >>I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB drive at >>home. I'll be happy to share. >> >>My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for photos of >>that. >> >>--Michael-- >> >>

My installation comments are below . Joe DeMers Photo 19 = the raw water hose is putting a side load on the engine, and effecting engine alignment. The hose should be longer, and secured near the raw water pump, so no side load is produced. The engine bed shims should be made of epoxy laminated hardwood, or fiberglass , and should be thicker, so the engine flex mount studs are at the middle of their adjustment. [ the picture shows them at the top of the adjustment range ] Photo 22= the muffler must be 1 vertical foot below where the raw water enters the exhaust system. It also must be two horizontal feet from the water injection point, or the muffler may overheat. This installation apparently does not follow those guidelines. There should be a vent loop installed, to help prevent back siphoning of raw water into the engine. There should be a section of softwall hose from the exhaust elbow to the muffler, to remove any possible side load from the engine. The raw water hose exiting the muffler should be vertical, to the highest point possible, then downhill to the exhaust thru hull. On 10/18/2010 12:15 PM, Michael D wrote: > > > Joe, > > Sure thing... I'm always willing to learn something new. Perhaps > it's something I need to take a second look at and rectify it before > it gets me into trouble. > > --Michael-- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Mon, October 18, 2010 12:01:42 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) > > May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as > seen in the online pictures? > > Joe D > >>> Wilkie, >>> >>> Take a look here >>> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 >>> <http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66> >>> Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 >>> and sliding the BZ482 in easy. >>> >>> I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB >>> drive at home. I'll be happy to share. >>> >>> My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for >>> photos of that. >>> >>> --Michael-- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ** > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3204 - Release Date: 10/18/10 02:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

Thanks Don, will do ! *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* On 10/18/2010 12:41 PM, Donald Dutton wrote: > > > Don't know about anyone else, but constructive criticism and good > discussion is one of my favorite things about this list. Joe, I used > Fram filters my whole life and over 1,000,000 miles on automobiles. > Since your discussion about oil filters, I haven't used another one. > Have switched to Bosch on my automobiles and use the Yanmar on my boat. > > Having looked at those photos, I would be very curious to know what > you would do differently. All of this becomes stored knowledge for > that job I will have to do on my own boat some day in the future! > Keep it coming. > Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things > you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the > bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in > your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Mon, October 18, 2010 9:01:42 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) > > May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as > seen in the online pictures? > > Joe D > >>> Wilkie, >>> >>> Take a look here >>> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 >>> <http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66> >>> Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 >>> and sliding the BZ482 in easy. >>> >>> I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB >>> drive at home. I'll be happy to share. >>> >>> My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for >>> photos of that. >>> >>> --Michael-- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ** > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3204 - Release Date: 10/18/10 02:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

Joe, Thank you for your observations. Your comments are well noted and very appreciated. Some of what you see in the photos has been rectified since the repowering project. The shims used was made from Starboard... Although I have never had a problem with it, I have never been thrilled that the engine mounts are near the top of the flex mount studs. It definitely warrants thicker shimming. The muffler position has never posed an issue in nearly 1000 hours of engine operation. I did order the engine with the optional $175 high-rise exhaust elbow. The muffler's position was chosen for practicality. Getting it one foot below and two feet away from where the raw water enters the system would be impractical of not impossible without removing the icebox. Not visible in the photos is an inverted loop made from high-temp plastic piping at the stern that rises to top of the stern that prevents sea water from back flowing into the muffler. As for the vent-loop, it has been a thorn in my butt. The copper tubing that was delivered with the engine from BetaMarine, best seen in photo 20, was a novice's attempt at marine plumbing, IMHO. Vibrating against the exhaust elbow wore a small hole in it with an end result of sea water all over the rear of the engine. Diagnosis was not straight forward. Would I do the same again??? Not likely, it was a learning experience that, but while not perfect has proven to be reliable to date. Again, thanks for your critique!!! --Michael-- From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 12:42:39 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Installation comments [ was Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) My installation comments are below . Joe DeMers Photo 19 = the raw water hose is putting a side load on the engine, and effecting engine alignment. The hose should be longer, and secured near the raw water pump, so no side load is produced. The engine bed shims should be made of epoxy laminated hardwood, or fiberglass , and should be thicker, so the engine flex mount studs are at the middle of their adjustment. [ the picture shows them at the top of the adjustment range ] Photo 22= the muffler must be 1 vertical foot below where the raw water enters the exhaust system. It also must be two horizontal feet from the water injection point, or the muffler may overheat. This installation apparently does not follow those guidelines. There should be a vent loop installed, to help prevent back siphoning of raw water into the engine. There should be a section of softwall hose from the exhaust elbow to the muffler, to remove any possible side load from the engine. The raw water hose exiting the muffler should be vertical, to the highest point possible, then downhill to the exhaust thru hull. On 10/18/2010 12:15 PM, Michael D wrote: Joe, > >Sure thing... I'm always willing to learn something new. Perhaps it's >something I need to take a second look at and rectify it before it gets me into >trouble. > >--Michael-- > > > > > > From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 12:01:42 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) > > >May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as seen in the >online pictures? > > >Joe D > > >Wilkie, >>> >>>Take a look >>>here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 >>>Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 and sliding >>>the BZ482 in easy. >>> >>> >>>I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB drive at >>>home. I'll be happy to share. >>> >>>My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for photos of >>>that. >>> >>>--Michael-- >>> >>> > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3204 - Release Date: 10/18/10 >02:34:00 > -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184

On 10/18/2010 1:43 PM, Michael D wrote: > > > Joe, > > Thank you for your observations. Your comments are well noted and > very appreciated. > > Some of what you see in the photos has been rectified since the > repowering project. The shims used was made from Starboard... > Although I have never had a problem with it, I have never been > thrilled that the engine mounts are near the top of the flex mount > studs. It definitely warrants thicker shimming. > > The muffler position has never posed an issue in nearly 1000 hours of > engine operation. I did order the engine with the optional $175 > high-rise exhaust elbow. The muffler's position was chosen for > practicality. Getting it one foot below and two feet away from where > the raw water enters the system would be impractical of not impossible > without removing the icebox. ****** Just because it has worked fine for 1000 hours, is no guarantee that wit will not cause a problem in the future. The exhaust system still does not meet the standard. > > Not visible in the photos is an inverted loop made from high-temp > plastic piping at the stern that rises to top of the stern that > prevents sea water from back flowing into the muffler. ****** That's an excellent addition. However, I still think the system geometry should be improved. > > As for the vent-loop, it has been a thorn in my butt. The copper > tubing that was delivered with the engine from BetaMarine, best seen > in photo 20, was a novice's attempt at marine plumbing, IMHO. > Vibrating against the exhaust elbow wore a small hole in it with an > end result of sea water all over the rear of the engine. Diagnosis > was not straight forward. ****** That part should be removed, and a real vent loop installed. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > Would I do the same again??? Not likely, it was a learning experience > that, but while not perfect has proven to be reliable to date. > > Again, thanks for your critique!!! > > --Michael-- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Mon, October 18, 2010 12:42:39 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Installation comments [ was Beta 14 repower > (Wilkie) > > My installation comments are below . > Joe DeMers > > Photo 19 = the raw water hose is putting a side load on the engine, > and effecting engine alignment. The hose should be longer, and secured > near the raw water pump, so no side load is produced. The engine bed > shims should be made of epoxy laminated hardwood, or fiberglass , and > should be thicker, so the engine flex mount studs are at the middle of > their adjustment. [ the picture shows them at the top of the > adjustment range ] > > Photo 22= the muffler must be 1 vertical foot below where the raw > water enters the exhaust system. It also must be two horizontal feet > from the water injection point, or the muffler may overheat. This > installation apparently does not follow those guidelines. > > There should be a vent loop installed, to help prevent back siphoning > of raw water into the engine. > > There should be a section of softwall hose from the exhaust elbow to > the muffler, to remove any possible side load from the engine. > > The raw water hose exiting the muffler should be vertical, to the > highest point possible, then downhill to the exhaust thru hull. > > > > On 10/18/2010 12:15 PM, Michael D wrote: > >> Joe, >> >> Sure thing... I'm always willing to learn something new. Perhaps >> it's something I need to take a second look at and rectify it before >> it gets me into trouble. >> >> --Michael-- >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Mon, October 18, 2010 12:01:42 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) >> >> May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as >> seen in the online pictures? >> >> Joe D >> >>>> Wilkie, >>>> >>>> Take a look here >>>> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 >>>> <http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66> >>>> Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 >>>> and sliding the BZ482 in easy. >>>> >>>> I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB >>>> drive at home. I'll be happy to share. >>>> >>>> My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for >>>> photos of that. >>>> >>>> --Michael-- >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> ** >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG -www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3204 - Release Date: 10/18/10 02:34:00 >> >> > > -- > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3204 - Release Date: 10/18/10 02:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

Guys, What's the deal on Fram oil filters? Are they made out of recycled feeder-lot straw? (like the one on I-5 in California that you can smell from three miles away?) I'm less than enthusiastic about using anything German, fall out from what happened to my Uncle, Aunt, and cousins, you know...and growing up watching too many WWII movies. Jerry PS: Maybe it's good, American quality straw, and fertile manure from good American moo cows. Or are the Frams made in Communist China using used straw from prison labor camps? --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 9:41 AM Don't know about anyone else, but constructive criticism and good discussion is one of my favorite things about this list. Joe, I used Fram filters my whole life and over 1,000,000 miles on automobiles. Since your discussion about oil filters, I haven't used another one. Have switched to Bosch on my automobiles and use the Yanmar on my boat. Having looked at those photos, I would be very curious to know what you would do differently. All of this becomes stored knowledge for that job I will have to do on my own boat some day in the future! Keep it coming. Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 9:01:42 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as seen in the online pictures? Joe D Wilkie, Take a look here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 and sliding the BZ482 in easy. I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB drive at home. I'll be happy to share. My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for photos of that. --Michael--

I do think that oil filters on boats are relevant, but lets stay on topic. Please! ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Sobel To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: American Oil Filters was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) Guys, What's the deal on Fram oil filters? Are they made out of recycled feeder-lot straw? (like the one on I-5 in California that you can smell from three miles away?) I'm less than enthusiastic about using anything German, fall out from what happened to my Uncle, Aunt, and cousins, you know...and growing up watching too many WWII movies. Jerry PS: Maybe it's good, American quality straw, and fertile manure from good American moo cows. Or are the Frams made in Communist China using used straw from prison labor camps? --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 9:41 AM Don't know about anyone else, but constructive criticism and good discussion is one of my favorite things about this list. Joe, I used Fram filters my whole life and over 1,000,000 miles on automobiles. Since your discussion about oil filters, I haven't used another one. Have switched to Bosch on my automobiles and use the Yanmar on my boat. Having looked at those photos, I would be very curious to know what you would do differently. All of this becomes stored knowledge for that job I will have to do on my own boat some day in the future! Keep it coming. Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 9:01:42 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as seen in the online pictures? Joe D Wilkie, Take a look here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 and sliding the BZ482 in easy. I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB drive at home. I'll be happy to share. My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for photos of that. --Michael-- ------------------------------------------------------------------ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5543 (20101018) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5545 (20101019) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Mark, Well, there I go again, trying to be funny and accidentally fumbling into international, controversial pol uh ticks. Anyway, still, what's wrong with good old American standby and house hold brand Fram oil filters and what makes Bosch filters a better choice? I always thought the most important thing was to at least remember to change the oil and filter, preferably a lot more often than I do. God bless my two stroke outboard. At least I am putting in fresh oil every time I fuel up, too bad they are such nasty polluters. Jerry. --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: American Oil Filters was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 8:35 AM  I do think that oil filters on boats are relevant, but lets stay on topic. Please! ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Sobel To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: American Oil Filters was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) Guys, What's the deal on Fram oil filters? Are they made out of recycled feeder-lot straw? (like the one along I-5 in California's central valley that you can smell from three miles away?) I'm less than enthusiastic about using anything German, fall out from what happened to my Uncle, Aunt, and cousins, you know...and growing up watching too many WWII movies. Jerry PS: Maybe it's good, American quality straw, and fertile manure from good American moo cows. Or are the Frams made in Communist China using used straw from prison labor camps? --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 9:41 AM Don't know about anyone else, but constructive criticism and good discussion is one of my favorite things about this list. Joe, I used Fram filters my whole life and over 1,000,000 miles on automobiles. Since your discussion about oil filters, I haven't used another one. Have switched to Bosch on my automobiles and use the Yanmar on my boat. Having looked at those photos, I would be very curious to know what you would do differently. All of this becomes stored knowledge for that job I will have to do on my own boat some day in the future! Keep it coming. Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 9:01:42 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as seen in the online pictures? Joe D Wilkie, Take a look here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 and sliding the BZ482 in easy. I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB drive at home. I'll be happy to share. My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for photos of that. --Michael-- Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5543 (20101018) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5545 (20101019) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

DId a quick google on Fram and some claim that the gaskets leak, oil pressure is not correct for the specified models and the filters are not as effective as other more expensive models. I have no clue...just using google "whats wrong with Fram oil filters" Best /ch

Did not think about it as "American vs. Foreign" at all, but you do have a point. I searched back through the 2200 or so Cal list emails that I have deemed worth saving, but could not find the emails that centered around the efficiency and quality of oil filters. I remember it being about 18 months ago, though. The gyst of it was that Fram filters did not filter all metal particles out of the oil to a fine enough size to fully protect the engine. Also, high pressure in the oil system could displace the filtering medium undetected in their filters, but not in AC/Delco, Bosch, nor Yanmar filters. I, too, have run engines as I said for over 1,000,000 miles on Fram filters. But, I religiously change my oil and filter every 3000 miles on my cars (600 miles on my motorcycles) and I change my oil and filter on my diesel in my boat every 3 months regardless of hours run! Therefore, it might not matter too much the quality of the filter. But, in the case of Bosch and AC/Delco the cost is virtually the same as Fram and I would rather have the finer filtration for the same cost! Turns out that Bosch is easier for me to acquire as it is sold by two auto parts stores within 3 miles of my home. Wish I could have found the emails from Joe that convinced me to switch. It was fun searching, though, as I thoroughly enjoyed paging through and re-visiting some of the topics that I felt deserved saving over the past two years that I have been on this list! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 9:51:57 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: American Oil Filters Mark, Well, there I go again, trying to be funny and accidentally fumbling into international, controversial pol uh ticks. Anyway, still, what's wrong with good old American standby and house hold brand Fram oil filters and what makes Bosch filters a better choice? I always thought the most important thing was to at least remember to change the oil and filter, preferably a lot more often than I do. God bless my two stroke outboard. At least I am putting in fresh oil every time I fuel up, too bad they are such nasty polluters. Jerry. --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: >From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> >Subject: Re: American Oil Filters was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 8:35 AM > > > > >I do think that oil filters on boats are relevant, but lets stay on topic. >Please! >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Gerald Sobel >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:19 PM >>Subject: American Oil Filters was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) >> >> >>Guys, >>What's the deal on Fram oil filters? Are they made out of recycled >>feeder-lot straw? (like the one along I-5 in California's central >>valley that you can smell from three miles away?) I'm less than >>enthusiastic about using anything German, fall out from what happened to >>my Uncle, Aunt, and cousins, you know...and growing up watching too many >>WWII movies. >>Jerry >>PS: Maybe it's good, American quality straw, and fertile manure from >>good American moo cows. >>Or are the Frams made in Communist China using used straw from prison >>labor camps? >>--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> >>>From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> >>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) >>>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>>Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 9:41 AM >>> >>> >>> >>>Don't know about anyone else, but constructive criticism and good >>>discussion is one of my favorite things about this list. Joe, I used >>>Fram filters my whole life and over 1,000,000 miles on automobiles. >>>Since your discussion about oil filters, I haven't used another one. >>>Have switched to Bosch on my automobiles and use the Yanmar on my >>>boat. >>> >>> >>>Having looked at those photos, I would be very curious to know what >>>you would do differently. All of this becomes stored knowledge for >>>that job I will have to do on my own boat some day in the future! >>>Keep it coming. >>> >>> Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" >>> >>> >>>"Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things >>>you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the >>>bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in >>>your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> >>>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 9:01:42 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) >>> >>> >>>May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as >>>seen in the online pictures? >>> >>> >>>Joe D >>> >>> >>>Wilkie, >>>>> >>>>>Take a look >>>>>here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 >>>>>Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old >>>>>5411 and sliding the BZ482 in easy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my >>>>>USB drive at home. I'll be happy to share. >>>>> >>>>>My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have >>>>>for photos of that. >>>>> >>>>>--Michael-- >>>>> >>>>> >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >>database 5543 (20101018) __________ >> >>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >>http://www.eset.com >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5545 (20101019) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Don, I remember that conversation, and that Joe had specific reasons not to use Fram filters. I don't remember the details, but Joe's opinion was good enough for me. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: American Oil Filters (Jerry) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 7:28 PM Did not think about it as "American vs. Foreign" at all, but you do have a point. I searched back through the 2200 or so Cal list emails that I have deemed worth saving, but could not find the emails that centered around the efficiency and quality of oil filters. I remember it being about 18 months ago, though. The gyst of it was that Fram filters did not filter all metal particles out of the oil to a fine enough size to fully protect the engine. Also, high pressure in the oil system could displace the filtering medium undetected in their filters, but not in AC/Delco, Bosch, nor Yanmar filters. I, too, have run engines as I said for over 1,000,000 miles on Fram filters. But, I religiously change my oil and filter every 3000 miles on my cars (600 miles on my motorcycles) and I change my oil and filter on my diesel in my boat every 3 months regardless of hours run! Therefore, it might not matter too much the quality of the filter. But, in the case of Bosch and AC/Delco the cost is virtually the same as Fram and I would rather have the finer filtration for the same cost! Turns out that Bosch is easier for me to acquire as it is sold by two auto parts stores within 3 miles of my home. Wish I could have found the emails from Joe that convinced me to switch. It was fun searching, though, as I thoroughly enjoyed paging through and re-visiting some of the topics that I felt deserved saving over the past two years that I have been on this list! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 9:51:57 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: American Oil Filters Mark, Well, there I go again, trying to be funny and accidentally fumbling into international, controversial pol uh ticks. Anyway, still, what's wrong with good old American standby and house hold brand Fram oil filters and what makes Bosch filters a better choice? I always thought the most important thing was to at least remember to change the oil and filter, preferably a lot more often than I do. God bless my two stroke outboard. At least I am putting in fresh oil every time I fuel up, too bad they are such nasty polluters. Jerry. --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: American Oil Filters was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 8:35 AM  I do think that oil filters on boats are relevant, but lets stay on topic. Please! From: Gerald Sobel To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: American Oil Filters was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) Guys, What's the deal on Fram oil filters? Are they made out of recycled feeder-lot straw? (like the one along I-5 in California's central valley that you can smell from three miles away?) I'm less than enthusiastic about using anything German, fall out from what happened to my Uncle, Aunt, and cousins, you know...and growing up watching too many WWII movies. Jerry PS: Maybe it's good, American quality straw, and fertile manure from good American moo cows. Or are the Frams made in Communist China using used straw from prison labor camps? --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 9:41 AM Don't know about anyone else, but constructive criticism and good discussion is one of my favorite things about this list. Joe, I used Fram filters my whole life and over 1,000,000 miles on automobiles. Since your discussion about oil filters, I haven't used another one. Have switched to Bosch on my automobiles and use the Yanmar on my boat. Having looked at those photos, I would be very curious to know what you would do differently. All of this becomes stored knowledge for that job I will have to do on my own boat some day in the future! Keep it coming. Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 9:01:42 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as seen in the online pictures? Joe D Wilkie, Take a look here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 and sliding the BZ482 in easy. I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB drive at home. I'll be happy to share. My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for photos of that. --Michael-- __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5543 (20101018) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5545 (20101019) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thanks for the update, I too have used Fram for a long time, I'll try Bosch. From: david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 6:20:08 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: American Oil Filters (Don) Don, I remember that conversation, and that Joe had specific reasons not to use Fram filters. I don't remember the details, but Joe's opinion was good enough for me. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: >From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: American Oil Filters (Jerry) >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 7:28 PM > > > >Did not think about it as "American vs. Foreign" at all, but you do have a >point. I searched back through the 2200 or so Cal list emails that I have >deemed worth saving, but could not find the emails that centered around the >efficiency and quality of oil filters. I remember it being about 18 months ago, >though. The gyst of it was that Fram filters did not filter all metal particles >out of the oil to a fine enough size to fully protect the engine. Also, high >pressure in the oil system could displace the filtering medium undetected in >their filters, but not in AC/Delco, Bosch, nor Yanmar filters. > >I, too, have run engines as I said for over 1,000,000 miles on Fram filters. >But, I religiously change my oil and filter every 3000 miles on my cars (600 >miles on my motorcycles) and I change my oil and filter on my diesel in my boat >every 3 months regardless of hours run! Therefore, it might not matter too much >the quality of the filter. But, in the case of Bosch and AC/Delco the cost is >virtually the same as Fram and I would rather have the finer filtration for the >same cost! Turns out that Bosch is easier for me to acquire as it is sold by >two auto parts stores within 3 miles of my home. > >Wish I could have found the emails from Joe that convinced me to switch. It was >fun searching, though, as I thoroughly enjoyed paging through and re-visiting >some of the topics that I felt deserved saving over the past two years that I >have been on this list! > >Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > >"Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't >do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the >safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." >........Mark Twain > > > > > > From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 9:51:57 AM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: American Oil Filters > > >Mark, >Well, there I go again, trying to be funny and accidentally fumbling into >international, controversial pol uh ticks. > > Anyway, still, what's wrong with good old American standby and house hold brand >Fram oil filters and what makes Bosch filters a better choice? I always thought >the most important thing was to at least remember to change the oil and filter, >preferably a lot more often than I do. > > >God bless my two stroke outboard. At least I am putting in fresh oil every time >I fuel up, too bad they are such nasty polluters. >Jerry. > >--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> >wrote: > > >>From: Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) <ma… [at] cox.net> >>Subject: Re: American Oil Filters was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 8:35 AM >> >> >> >> >>I do think that oil filters on boats are relevant, but lets stay on topic. >>Please! >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Gerald Sobel >>>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:19 PM >>>Subject: American Oil Filters was:Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) >>> >>> >>>Guys, >>>What's the deal on Fram oil filters? Are they made out of recycled feeder-lot >>>straw? (like the one along I-5 in California's central valley that you can smell >>>from three miles away?) I'm less than enthusiastic about using anything German, >>>fall out from what happened to my Uncle, Aunt, and cousins, you know...and >>>growing up watching too many WWII movies. >>>Jerry >>>PS: Maybe it's good, American quality straw, and fertile manure from good >>>American moo cows. >>>Or are the Frams made in Communist China using used straw from prison labor >>>camps? >>>--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> >>>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) >>>>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>>>Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 9:41 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Don't know about anyone else, but constructive criticism and good discussion is >>>>one of my favorite things about this list. Joe, I used Fram filters my whole >>>>life and over 1,000,000 miles on automobiles. Since your discussion about oil >>>>filters, I haven't used another one. Have switched to Bosch on my automobiles >>>>and use the Yanmar on my boat. >>>> >>>> >>>>Having looked at those photos, I would be very curious to know what you would do >>>>differently. All of this becomes stored knowledge for that job I will have to >>>>do on my own boat some day in the future! Keep it coming. >>>> >>>>Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" >>>> >>>> >>>>"Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't >>>>do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the >>>>safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." >>>>........Mark Twain >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> >>>>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>>>Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 9:01:42 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) >>>> >>>> >>>>May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as seen in the >>>>online pictures? >>>> >>>> >>>>Joe D >>>> >>>> >>>>Wilkie, >>>>>> >>>>>>Take a look >>>>>>here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 >>>>>>Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 and sliding >>>>>>the BZ482 in easy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB drive at >>>>>>home. I'll be happy to share. >>>>>> >>>>>>My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for photos of >>>>>>that. >>>>>> >>>>>>--Michael-- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >>>database 5543 (20101018) __________ >>> >>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>>http://www.eset.com/ >>> > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 5545 (20101019) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com >

Fellow sailors, I found this site. More than you ever wanted to know about all the different brands of oil filters. Jerry http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html

Thanks, Jerry From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 10:04:00 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] All the different oil filters was: Re: American Oil Filters Fellow sailors, I found this site. More than you ever wanted to know about all the different brands of oil filters. Jerry http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html

On 10/20/2010 1:04 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > > Fellow sailors, > I found this site. More than you ever wanted to know about all the > different brands of oil filters. > Jerry > > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html > This is useful info. These kinds of consumer products are hard for the user to evaluate. I've been extending the oil change interval on my car and truck by using Mobil 1 and avoiding Fram filters. The vehicles get mostly highway miles at very moderate (60 mph) speeds, so I decided that 3,000 mile change intervals were wasteful. Now I go to 6,000, which is still less than some current models have as manufacturer's recommended intervals for average driving. For the boats, it's no problem: both have 2-stroke outboards, so the oil is used once and dumped overboard. (Ouch). The better news is that I try to maximize sailing and minimize polluting. Chris Campbell > >

Good Morning Joe, Looking and scratching my head with the lift muffler location and position... Well, I think that project may have to wait a while... As for an anti-siphon valve at the exhaust elbow, I have been looking into something suitable. I still haven't figured out where it should be mounted, but I'll come up with something. I have read that it is not uncommon for them to foul resulting in raw water being sprayed about. I have been eyeing Groco's HVL vented loops. Do you have experience with these, or can you suggest an alternative? Thanks! Michael From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 1:51:54 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Installation comments [ was Beta 14 repower (Joe) On 10/18/2010 1:43 PM, Michael D wrote: Joe, > >Thank you for your observations. Your comments are well noted and very >appreciated. > >Some of what you see in the photos has been rectified since the repowering >project. The shims used was made from Starboard... Although I have never had a >problem with it, I have never been thrilled that the engine mounts are near the >top of the flex mount studs. It definitely warrants thicker shimming. > >The muffler position has never posed an issue in nearly 1000 hours of engine >operation. I did order the engine with the optional $175 high-rise exhaust >elbow. The muffler's position was chosen for practicality. Getting it one foot >below and two feet away from where the raw water enters the system would be >impractical of not impossible without removing the icebox. > > ****** Just because it has worked fine for 1000 hours, is no guarantee that wit will not cause a problem in the future. The exhaust system still does not meet the standard. >Not visible in the photos is an inverted loop made from high-temp plastic piping >at the stern that rises to top of the stern that prevents sea water from back >flowing into the muffler. > ****** That's an excellent addition. However, I still think the system geometry should be improved. >As for the vent-loop, it has been a thorn in my butt. The copper tubing that >was delivered with the engine from BetaMarine, best seen in photo 20, was a >novice's attempt at marine plumbing, IMHO. Vibrating against the exhaust elbow >wore a small hole in it with an end result of sea water all over the rear of the >engine. Diagnosis was not straight forward. > ****** That part should be removed, and a real vent loop installed. Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184 >Would I do the same again??? Not likely, it was a learning experience that, but >while not perfect has proven to be reliable to date. > >Again, thanks for your critique!!! > >--Michael-- > > > > > > From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 12:42:39 PM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Installation comments [ was Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) > > >My installation comments are below . >Joe DeMers > >Photo 19 = the raw water hose is putting a side load on the engine, and >effecting engine alignment. The hose should be longer, and secured near the raw >water pump, so no side load is produced. The engine bed shims should be made of >epoxy laminated hardwood, or fiberglass , and should be thicker, so the engine >flex mount studs are at the middle of their adjustment. [ the picture shows them >at the top of the adjustment range ] > > >Photo 22= the muffler must be 1 vertical foot below where the raw water enters >the exhaust system. It also must be two horizontal feet from the water injection >point, or the muffler may overheat. This installation apparently does not follow >those guidelines. > > > There should be a vent loop installed, to help prevent back siphoning of raw >water into the engine. > > >There should be a section of softwall hose from the exhaust elbow to the >muffler, to remove any possible side load from the engine. > > The raw water hose exiting the muffler should be vertical, to the highest point >possible, then downhill to the exhaust thru hull. > > > > >On 10/18/2010 12:15 PM, Michael D wrote: >Joe, >> >>Sure thing... I'm always willing to learn something new. Perhaps it's >>something I need to take a second look at and rectify it before it gets me into >>trouble. >> >>--Michael-- >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 12:01:42 PM >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) >> >> >>May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as seen in the >>online pictures? >> >> >>Joe D >> >> >>Wilkie, >>>> >>>>Take a look >>>>here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 >>>>Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old 5411 and sliding >>>>the BZ482 in easy. >>>> >>>> >>>>I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB drive at >>>>home. I'll be happy to share. >>>> >>>>My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have for photos of >>>>that. >>>> >>>>--Michael-- >>>> >>>> > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3204 - Release Date: 10/18/10 >>02:34:00 >> -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184 > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3204 - Release Date: 10/18/10 >02:34:00 > -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184

Hi Michael - We keep in stock vented loops for installation with Beta Marine engines. They are stainless, with a plastic valve. $72. It should be located as high as possible, and as close to centerline as possible. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* On 10/25/2010 10:00 AM, Michael D wrote: > > > Good Morning Joe, > > Looking and scratching my head with the lift muffler location and > position... Well, I think that project may have to wait a while... > > As for an anti-siphon valve at the exhaust elbow, I have been looking > into something suitable. I still haven't figured out where it should > be mounted, but I'll come up with something. I have read that it is > not uncommon for them to foul resulting in raw water being sprayed > about. I have been eyeing Groco's HVL vented loops. Do you have > experience with these, or can you suggest an alternative? > > Thanks! > Michael > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Mon, October 18, 2010 1:51:54 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Installation comments [ was Beta 14 repower > (Joe) > > > > On 10/18/2010 1:43 PM, Michael D wrote: > >> Joe, >> >> Thank you for your observations. Your comments are well noted and >> very appreciated. >> >> Some of what you see in the photos has been rectified since the >> repowering project. The shims used was made from Starboard... >> Although I have never had a problem with it, I have never been >> thrilled that the engine mounts are near the top of the flex mount >> studs. It definitely warrants thicker shimming. >> >> The muffler position has never posed an issue in nearly 1000 hours of >> engine operation. I did order the engine with the optional $175 >> high-rise exhaust elbow. The muffler's position was chosen for >> practicality. Getting it one foot below and two feet away from where >> the raw water enters the system would be impractical of not >> impossible without removing the icebox. > > ****** Just because it has worked fine for 1000 hours, is no guarantee > that wit will not cause a problem in the future. The exhaust system > still does not meet the standard. >> >> Not visible in the photos is an inverted loop made from high-temp >> plastic piping at the stern that rises to top of the stern that >> prevents sea water from back flowing into the muffler. > > ****** That's an excellent addition. However, I still think the system > geometry should be improved. >> >> As for the vent-loop, it has been a thorn in my butt. The copper >> tubing that was delivered with the engine from BetaMarine, best seen >> in photo 20, was a novice's attempt at marine plumbing, IMHO. >> Vibrating against the exhaust elbow wore a small hole in it with an >> end result of sea water all over the rear of the engine. Diagnosis >> was not straight forward. > > ****** That part should be removed, and a real vent loop installed. > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > >> >> Would I do the same again??? Not likely, it was a learning >> experience that, but while not perfect has proven to be reliable to date. >> >> Again, thanks for your critique!!! >> >> --Michael-- >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Mon, October 18, 2010 12:42:39 PM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Installation comments [ was Beta 14 repower >> (Wilkie) >> >> My installation comments are below . >> Joe DeMers >> >> Photo 19 = the raw water hose is putting a side load on the engine, >> and effecting engine alignment. The hose should be longer, and >> secured near the raw water pump, so no side load is produced. The >> engine bed shims should be made of epoxy laminated hardwood, or >> fiberglass , and should be thicker, so the engine flex mount studs >> are at the middle of their adjustment. [ the picture shows them at >> the top of the adjustment range ] >> >> Photo 22= the muffler must be 1 vertical foot below where the raw >> water enters the exhaust system. It also must be two horizontal feet >> from the water injection point, or the muffler may overheat. This >> installation apparently does not follow those guidelines. >> >> There should be a vent loop installed, to help prevent back >> siphoning of raw water into the engine. >> >> There should be a section of softwall hose from the exhaust elbow to >> the muffler, to remove any possible side load from the engine. >> >> The raw water hose exiting the muffler should be vertical, to the >> highest point possible, then downhill to the exhaust thru hull. >> >> >> >> On 10/18/2010 12:15 PM, Michael D wrote: >> >>> Joe, >>> >>> Sure thing... I'm always willing to learn something new. Perhaps >>> it's something I need to take a second look at and rectify it before >>> it gets me into trouble. >>> >>> --Michael-- >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> >>> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>> *Sent:* Mon, October 18, 2010 12:01:42 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Beta 14 repower (Wilkie) >>> >>> May I offer some constructive criticism concerning this repower, as >>> seen in the online pictures? >>> >>> Joe D >>> >>>>> Wilkie, >>>>> >>>>> Take a look here >>>>> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66 >>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=147733&id=573217072&l=8f3ae2bf66> >>>>> Note the 2X4 "sled" I built... it really made pulling the old >>>>> 5411 and sliding the BZ482 in easy. >>>>> >>>>> I have lots of photos from my BetaMarine repower project on my USB >>>>> drive at home. I'll be happy to share. >>>>> >>>>> My control panel is mounted in the stern. I'll see what I have >>>>> for photos of that. >>>>> >>>>> --Michael-- >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> ** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG -www.avg.com >>> Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3204 - Release Date: 10/18/10 02:34:00 >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> *Joe DeMers - owner* >> >> Sound Marine Diesel LLC >> >> SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> >> >> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG -www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3204 - Release Date: 10/18/10 02:34:00 >> >> > > -- > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3218 - Release Date: 10/25/10 02:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*