Cal 29 Rudder details

Greets: Speaking with a fellow 29 owner he mentioned that he was having issues with too much free play in the rudder stock. I tried to research this on line but basically came up empty with any details descriptions or drawings of the arrangement complete with bearings. Was wondering if any one has any details, description or other on the rudder assembly. Best regards and thanks /ch -- /ch

Chris, I have a similar situation with my 2-27. I have read where some have used 2 liter beverage bottles as shims to reduce play in the fiberglass rudder tube. Extreme fixes involve graphite, epoxy, and release agent to "fill the gap". Personally, I have been looking at replacing the rudder tube at the cockpit floor with a bearing such as http://www.tidesmarine.com/upper-rudder-bearing-lp.shtml, but that's another project way down on my list of things to do. --Michael-- s/v Magic From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: CAL <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 2:23:46 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details Greets: Speaking with a fellow 29 owner he mentioned that he was having issues with too much free play in the rudder stock. I tried to research this on line but basically came up empty with any details descriptions or drawings of the arrangement complete with bearings. Was wondering if any one has any details, description or other on the rudder assembly. Best regards and thanks /ch -- /ch

On 11/2/2010 2:41 PM, Michael D wrote: > Chris, > > I have a similar situation with my 2-27. I have read where some have > used 2 liter beverage bottles as shims to reduce play in the > fiberglass rudder tube. Extreme fixes involve graphite, epoxy, and > release agent to "fill the gap". Just remember that the use of graphite & epoxy mixes to form a new bearing is effective only if the rudder stock is truly round. If it has worn out-of-round, the stock will not rotate in the new bearing. Chris Campbell

If you do the epoxy route, only a tiny squirt in tri-radial locations, (12-4-8 o’clock) the size of a dime maximum. Bluto From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:56 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) On 11/2/2010 2:41 PM, Michael D wrote: Chris, I have a similar situation with my 2-27. I have read where some have used 2 liter beverage bottles as shims to reduce play in the fiberglass rudder tube. Extreme fixes involve graphite, epoxy, and release agent to "fill the gap". Just remember that the use of graphite & epoxy mixes to form a new bearing is effective only if the rudder stock is truly round. If it has worn out-of-round, the stock will not rotate in the new bearing. Chris Campbell

Hi, All. I have a friend who went the epoxy route resulting in a frozen rudder that took weeks to get out of the rudder tube. I use the coke bottle plastic shim solution. I can describe further if anyone is interested. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:56 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) On 11/2/2010 2:41 PM, Michael D wrote: Chris, I have a similar situation with my 2-27. I have read where some have used 2 liter beverage bottles as shims to reduce play in the fiberglass rudder tube. Extreme fixes involve graphite, epoxy, and release agent to "fill the gap". Just remember that the use of graphite & epoxy mixes to form a new bearing is effective only if the rudder stock is truly round. If it has worn out-of-round, the stock will not rotate in the new bearing. Chris Campbell

Yes I'm interested Charlie. I have play in my rudder tube ( Cal 36). Did you line the entire tube with the plastic? How does it hold up? What sailing conditions is it subject to? Do you replace at haul out? Thanks! Mike Robinson Holiday RYC To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: hu… [at] bah.com Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 14:52:10 -0400 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) Hi, All. I have a friend who went the epoxy route resulting in a frozen rudder that took weeks to get out of the rudder tube. I use the coke bottle plastic shim solution. I can describe further if anyone is interested. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:56 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) On 11/2/2010 2:41 PM, Michael D wrote: Chris, I have a similar situation with my 2-27. I have read where some have used 2 liter beverage bottles as shims to reduce play in the fiberglass rudder tube. Extreme fixes involve graphite, epoxy, and release agent to "fill the gap". Just remember that the use of graphite & epoxy mixes to form a new bearing is effective only if the rudder stock is truly round. If it has worn out-of-round, the stock will not rotate in the new bearing. Chris Campbell

I wrapped the shaft with this: http://www.mcmaster.com/#uhmw-polyethylene-tape/=9k7kfb and am very happy with the results...after seven seasons (in the Great Lakes that is 5 months a year). I pull the rudder every season and you have to look closely to see any signs of wear. Steve Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 11/03/2010 02:50:42 PM: > From: Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> > To: Cal boats List <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: 11/03/2010 02:50 PM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Charlie) > Sent by: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > Yes I'm interested Charlie. I have play in my rudder tube ( Cal 36). > Did you line the entire tube with the plastic? > How does it hold up? > What sailing conditions is it subject to? > Do you replace at haul out? > Thanks! > > Mike Robinson > Holiday > RYC > > > > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: hu… [at] bah.com > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 14:52:10 -0400 > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) > > > Hi, All. I have a friend who went the epoxy route resulting in a > frozen rudder that took weeks to get out of the rudder tube. > > I use the coke bottle plastic shim solution. I can describe further > if anyone is interested. > > Cheers > Charlie > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Chris > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:56 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) > On 11/2/2010 2:41 PM, Michael D wrote: > > Chris, > > I have a similar situation with my 2-27. I have read where some > have used 2 liter beverage bottles as shims to reduce play in the > fiberglass rudder tube. Extreme fixes involve graphite, epoxy, and > release agent to "fill the gap". > > Just remember that the use of graphite & epoxy mixes to form a new > bearing is effective only if the rudder stock is truly round. If it > has worn out-of-round, the stock will not rotate in the new bearing. > > Chris Campbell > > - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. UL and its affiliates do not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments. *****************************************************************

Charlie, I would like a detailed description; photos if possible. Thanks, Michael From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, November 3, 2010 2:52:10 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) Hi, All. I have a friend who went the epoxy route resulting in a frozen rudder that took weeks to get out of the rudder tube. I use the coke bottle plastic shim solution. I can describe further if anyone is interested. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:56 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) On 11/2/2010 2:41 PM, Michael D wrote: >Chris, > >I have a similar situation with my 2-27. I have read where some have used >2 liter beverage bottles as shims to reduce play in the fiberglass rudder >tube. Extreme fixes involve graphite, epoxy, and release agent to "fill the >gap". > Just remember that the use of graphite & epoxy mixes to form a new bearing is effective only if the rudder stock is truly round. If it has worn out-of-round, the stock will not rotate in the new bearing. Chris Campbell

Boy, that stuff is a lot cheaper than million dollar tape http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=4288 <http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=4288>Does it work for wrapping spreader tips like the 5490 does? Allen On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:05 PM, <st… [at] us.ul.com> wrote: > > > I wrapped the shaft with this: > http://www.mcmaster.com/#uhmw-polyethylene-tape/=9k7kfb and am very happy > with the results...after seven seasons (in the Great Lakes that is 5 months > a year). I pull the rudder every season and you have to look closely to see > any signs of wear. > > > Steve > > > > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 11/03/2010 02:50:42 PM: > > > From: Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> > > To: Cal boats List <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > Date: 11/03/2010 02:50 PM > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Charlie) > > Sent by: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Yes I'm interested Charlie. I have play in my rudder tube ( Cal 36). > > Did you line the entire tube with the plastic? > > How does it hold up? > > What sailing conditions is it subject to? > > Do you replace at haul out? > > Thanks! > > > > > Mike Robinson > > Holiday > > RYC > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > From: hu… [at] bah.com > > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 14:52:10 -0400 > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) > > > > > > > Hi, All. I have a friend who went the epoxy route resulting in a > > frozen rudder that took weeks to get out of the rudder tube. > > > > I use the coke bottle plastic shim solution. I can describe further > > if anyone is interested. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] > > > On Behalf Of Chris > > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:56 AM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) > > > On 11/2/2010 2:41 PM, Michael D wrote: > > > > Chris, > > > > I have a similar situation with my 2-27. I have read where some > > have used 2 liter beverage bottles as shims to reduce play in the > > fiberglass rudder tube. Extreme fixes involve graphite, epoxy, and > > release agent to "fill the gap". > > > > Just remember that the use of graphite & epoxy mixes to form a new > > bearing is effective only if the rudder stock is truly round. If it > > has worn out-of-round, the stock will not rotate in the new bearing. > > > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for > EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global > markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and > http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- > > ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** > This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not > disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this > message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail > message in error, please return by forwarding the message and > its attachments to the sender. > > UL and its affiliates do not accept liability for any errors, > omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message > or any attachments. > ***************************************************************** > > >

me too. plastic shims, I mean. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: hu… [at] bah.com Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 14:52:10 -0400 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) Hi, All. I have a friend who went the epoxy route resulting in a frozen rudder that took weeks to get out of the rudder tube. I use the coke bottle plastic shim solution. I can describe further if anyone is interested. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:56 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) On 11/2/2010 2:41 PM, Michael D wrote: Chris, I have a similar situation with my 2-27. I have read where some have used 2 liter beverage bottles as shims to reduce play in the fiberglass rudder tube. Extreme fixes involve graphite, epoxy, and release agent to "fill the gap". Just remember that the use of graphite & epoxy mixes to form a new bearing is effective only if the rudder stock is truly round. If it has worn out-of-round, the stock will not rotate in the new bearing. Chris Campbell

Thanks Steve, This looks like an excellent solution. Did you wrap the entire shaft or just top and bottom? Mike To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: st… [at] us.ul.com Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 15:05:38 -0500 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Mike) I wrapped the shaft with this: http://www.mcmaster.com/#uhmw-polyethylene-tape/=9k7kfb and am very happy with the results...after seven seasons (in the Great Lakes that is 5 months a year). I pull the rudder every season and you have to look closely to see any signs of wear. Steve Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 11/03/2010 02:50:42 PM: > From: Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> > To: Cal boats List <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: 11/03/2010 02:50 PM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Charlie) > Sent by: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > Yes I'm interested Charlie. I have play in my rudder tube ( Cal 36). > Did you line the entire tube with the plastic? > How does it hold up? > What sailing conditions is it subject to? > Do you replace at haul out? > Thanks! > > Mike Robinson > Holiday > RYC > > > > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: hu… [at] bah.com > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 14:52:10 -0400 > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) > > > Hi, All. I have a friend who went the epoxy route resulting in a > frozen rudder that took weeks to get out of the rudder tube. > > I use the coke bottle plastic shim solution. I can describe further > if anyone is interested. > > Cheers > Charlie > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Chris > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:56 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) > On 11/2/2010 2:41 PM, Michael D wrote: > > Chris, > > I have a similar situation with my 2-27. I have read where some > have used 2 liter beverage bottles as shims to reduce play in the > fiberglass rudder tube. Extreme fixes involve graphite, epoxy, and > release agent to "fill the gap". > > Just remember that the use of graphite & epoxy mixes to form a new > bearing is effective only if the rudder stock is truly round. If it > has worn out-of-round, the stock will not rotate in the new bearing. > > Chris Campbell > > - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. UL and its affiliates do not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments. *****************************************************************

Entire shaft. Based on what little wear there is there seems to be loading several (different) places along entire length...likely due to the fact that none of the components are true. Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 11/04/2010 10:19:40 AM: > From: Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> > To: Cal boats List <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: 11/04/2010 10:19 AM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Steve) > Sent by: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > Thanks Steve, > This looks like an excellent solution. Did you wrap the entire shaft > or just top and bottom? > > Mike > > > > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: st… [at] us.ul.com > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 15:05:38 -0500 > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Mike) > > > > I wrapped the shaft with this: http://www.mcmaster.com/#uhmw- > polyethylene-tape/=9k7kfb and am very happy with the results...after > seven seasons (in the Great Lakes that is 5 months a year). I pull > the rudder every season and you have to look closely to see any > signs of wear. > > > Steve > > > > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote on 11/03/2010 02:50:42 PM: > > > From: Michael Robinson <mi… [at] hotmail.com> > > To: Cal boats List <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > Date: 11/03/2010 02:50 PM > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Charlie) > > Sent by: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Yes I'm interested Charlie. I have play in my rudder tube ( Cal 36). > > Did you line the entire tube with the plastic? > > How does it hold up? > > What sailing conditions is it subject to? > > Do you replace at haul out? > > Thanks! > > > > > Mike Robinson > > Holiday > > RYC > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > From: hu… [at] bah.com > > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 14:52:10 -0400 > > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) > > > > > > > Hi, All. I have a friend who went the epoxy route resulting in a > > frozen rudder that took weeks to get out of the rudder tube. > > > > I use the coke bottle plastic shim solution. I can describe further > > if anyone is interested. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Chris > > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:56 AM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 Rudder details (Chris) > > > On 11/2/2010 2:41 PM, Michael D wrote: > > > > Chris, > > > > I have a similar situation with my 2-27. I have read where some > > have used 2 liter beverage bottles as shims to reduce play in the > > fiberglass rudder tube. Extreme fixes involve graphite, epoxy, and > > release agent to "fill the gap". > > > > Just remember that the use of graphite & epoxy mixes to form a new > > bearing is effective only if the rudder stock is truly round. If it > > has worn out-of-round, the stock will not rotate in the new bearing. > > > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for > EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global > markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and > http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- > > ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** > This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not > disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this > message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail > message in error, please return by forwarding the message and > its attachments to the sender. > > UL and its affiliates do not accept liability for any errors, > omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message > or any attachments. > ***************************************************************** > > - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. UL and its affiliates do not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments. *****************************************************************