Need Help with Wheel Conversion

Well here I am almost 6 years later after buying the'Breeze', a 1972 CAL-29 Hull 341, finely in the throws of wheel conversion with 3 years of sourcing parts as well as personal (experienced rigger who has done many a Edson Installs) and wouldn't (I) you know it all the folks who had pictures and info about their conversions on a CAL-29 seem to have fallen off the web! Here's the rub, my rigger tells me that according to Edson's instructions and worksheet for the CAL-29 when he measures down from the deck then up from the rudder tube or vice a versa that there's 3 problems. Our Guy at Edson (Ken) agrees we may be in deep... I'll list them in no specific order of any importance than they all must be satisfied: 1.Edson Supplied Stuffing Box, In the location Edson indicates their stuffing box (which we bought directly from them or their distributor)to be installed,it will be at or sometimes under the water line. Edson Support is most concerned about this because they emphatically state and have Reiterate through 'Ken' that the Stuffing Box is NOT designed to be in a near or under waterline installation Nor should be used for these kind of installations. It doesn't have a adjustable compression nut etc. They (Edson) do NOT manufacture a stuffing box that could be used in a underwater line situation. They recommend going to a stuffing Box manufacture and getting one made. (however for the diameter of the rudder shaft the available stuffing box's take up all the room under the deck to the tube etc!) 2. Room: barely enough room to install the Edson quadrant and the Edson Stuffing Box, with maybe 1/2" clearance at most. 3. Measurement Mistakes: According to my Rigger who has researched this with 'Ken' extensively, Edson admits to errors having crept into their drawing dimensions. Another words When you do the measuring down and back up etc the dimensions don't match even close and it makes NO sense! I've tried to succinctly stated the issues I'm facing. 'Ken' asked if I could contact any of the CAL-29 folks who have had the conversion and maybe get some dimensions from them? I've asked 'Ken' to have Edson send me their Steering Conversion Genius who can be onsite and lead us through the merky water (pun intended). He didn't seem to positive on this note. So folks, Who's got something that can help? Walter McNichols s/v Breeze Ponce Inlet, Fl CAL-29 #341 wa… [at] mc-nichols.com

I would sail the boat with a tiller, you may prefer it over wheel steering, AND also save $ and a lot of installation hassles ! I can quote a rudder stock stuffing box [ called a rudder port ] if you like. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* On 11/5/2010 11:12 AM, Walterj7 wrote: > Well here I am almost 6 years later after buying the'Breeze', a 1972 CAL-29 Hull 341, finely in the throws of wheel conversion with 3 years of sourcing parts as well as personal (experienced rigger who has done many a Edson Installs) and wouldn't (I) you know it all the folks who had pictures and info about their conversions on a CAL-29 seem to have fallen off the web! > > Here's the rub, my rigger tells me that according to Edson's instructions and worksheet for the CAL-29 when he measures down from the deck then up from the rudder tube or vice a versa that there's 3 problems. Our Guy at Edson (Ken) agrees we may be in deep... > I'll list them in no specific order of any importance than they all must be satisfied: > > 1.Edson Supplied Stuffing Box, In the location Edson indicates their stuffing box (which we bought directly from them or their distributor)to be installed,it will be at or sometimes under the water line. Edson Support is most concerned about this because they emphatically state and have Reiterate through 'Ken' that the Stuffing Box is NOT designed to be in a near or under waterline installation Nor should be used for these kind of installations. It doesn't have a adjustable compression nut etc. They (Edson) do NOT manufacture a stuffing box that could be used in a underwater line situation. > > They recommend going to a stuffing Box manufacture and getting one made. (however for the diameter of the rudder shaft the available stuffing box's take up all the room under the deck to the tube etc!) > > 2. Room: barely enough room to install the Edson quadrant and the Edson Stuffing Box, with maybe 1/2" clearance at most. > > 3. Measurement Mistakes: According to my Rigger who has researched this with 'Ken' extensively, Edson admits to errors having crept into their drawing dimensions. Another words When you do the measuring down and back up etc the dimensions don't match even close and it makes NO sense! > > I've tried to succinctly stated the issues I'm facing. 'Ken' asked if I could contact any of the CAL-29 folks who have had the conversion and maybe get some dimensions from them? I've asked 'Ken' to have Edson send me their Steering Conversion Genius who can be onsite and lead us through the merky water (pun intended). He didn't seem to positive on this note. > > So folks, Who's got something that can help? > > Walter McNichols > s/v Breeze > Ponce Inlet, Fl > CAL-29 #341 > wa… [at] mc-nichols.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3239 - Release Date: 11/05/10 03:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

I have been sailing the boat for 6 years in the Atlantic Ocean. Unfortunately I hate the tiller! I'm almost always single handed and the tiller with tiller pilot (ST200+) is just a poor solution. My boat My choice, Thanks for offer to sell me stuffing box's, but not what I really need. What I think I need, is measurements from those who have the Edson conversions. Walter J. ('Mick') McNichols wa… [at] mc-nichols.com Our "help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth"...Ps 121:2 "I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious." Albert Einstein. - Show quoted text - On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> wrote: > > > I would sail the boat with a tiller, you may prefer it over wheel steering, > AND also > save $ and a lot of installation hassles ! > > I can quote a rudder stock stuffing box [ called a rudder port ] if you > like. > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > On 11/5/2010 11:12 AM, Walterj7 wrote: > > Well here I am almost 6 years later after buying the'Breeze', a 1972 CAL-29 Hull 341, finely in the throws of wheel conversion with 3 years of sourcing parts as well as personal (experienced rigger who has done many a Edson Installs) and wouldn't (I) you know it all the folks who had pictures and info about their conversions on a CAL-29 seem to have fallen off the web! > > Here's the rub, my rigger tells me that according to Edson's instructions and worksheet for the CAL-29 when he measures down from the deck then up from the rudder tube or vice a versa that there's 3 problems. Our Guy at Edson (Ken) agrees we may be in deep... > I'll list them in no specific order of any importance than they all must be satisfied: > > 1.Edson Supplied Stuffing Box, In the location Edson indicates their stuffing box (which we bought directly from them or their distributor)to be installed,it will be at or sometimes under the water line. Edson Support is most concerned about this because they emphatically state and have Reiterate through 'Ken' that the Stuffing Box is NOT designed to be in a near or under waterline installation Nor should be used for these kind of installations. It doesn't have a adjustable compression nut etc. They (Edson) do NOT manufacture a stuffing box that could be used in a underwater line situation. > > They recommend going to a stuffing Box manufacture and getting one made. (however for the diameter of the rudder shaft the available stuffing box's take up all the room under the deck to the tube etc!) > > 2. Room: barely enough room to install the Edson quadrant and the Edson Stuffing Box, with maybe 1/2" clearance at most. > > 3. Measurement Mistakes: According to my Rigger who has researched this with 'Ken' extensively, Edson admits to errors having crept into their drawing dimensions. Another words When you do the measuring down and back up etc the dimensions don't match even close and it makes NO sense! > > I've tried to succinctly stated the issues I'm facing. 'Ken' asked if I could contact any of the CAL-29 folks who have had the conversion and maybe get some dimensions from them? I've asked 'Ken' to have Edson send me their Steering Conversion Genius who can be onsite and lead us through the merky water (pun intended). He didn't seem to positive on this note. > > So folks, Who's got something that can help? > > Walter McNichols > s/v Breeze > Ponce Inlet, Fl > CAL-29 #34… [at] mc-nichols.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3239 - Release Date: 11/05/10 03:34:00 > > > > > -- > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > >

On 11/5/2010 11:18 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > > I would sail the boat with a tiller, you may prefer it over wheel > steering, AND also > save $ and a lot of installation hassles ! > Wow, Joe, I was just about ready to post the same comment! My personal, very biased opinion is that almost all sailboats should have tillers. Chris Campbell

Have to agree with the tiller guys. My 43 was converted to wheel long ago, and I wish it wasn't; had a much easier time single handing my 2-27. Then again, this is alot more boat. None the less, like the guy said, "My boat, my choice." Don't know if it will help, but if you like, I can take some pictures of the conversion they did on WindSwept. I know its not the same, maybe not even same conversion company, but maybe something in there will help. Just let me know. Dan --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris <ccampbell@...> wrote: > > On 11/5/2010 11:18 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > > > > I would sail the boat with a tiller, you may prefer it over wheel > > steering, AND also > > save $ and a lot of installation hassles ! > > > > Wow, Joe, I was just about ready to post the same comment! My personal, > very biased opinion is that almost all sailboats should have tillers. > > Chris Campbell >

Have to chime in with a recent observation. I never could understand why anyone would want a wheel until I sailed my friends Ranger 23. The detached rudder vs. my rudder at the end of keel on the Original Cal 24 will spin the boat like a top, which is great (saved us from T boning a Santana 20 during a race, whom we didn't see till the last moment, while both of us were at full hull speed,by a matter of inches) but there is a lot of torque on the tiller, and it is very sensitive to slight movement, such that it is easier to hold it steady using two hands. I'm thinking, maybe this is an aftermarket tiller, and it should be longer? ..or it is original tiller and this is normal for the boat? Normal for a lot of fin keel plus detached rudder boats? My Cal 25, that I owned for a few weeks, didn't feel this way at all. Jerry --- On Fri, 11/5/10, daneasysailing <da… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: From: daneasysailing <da… [at] hotmail.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Need Help with Wheel Conversion To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 8:43 AM Have to agree with the tiller guys. My 43 was converted to wheel long ago, and I wish it wasn't; had a much easier time single handing my 2-27. Then again, this is alot more boat. None the less, like the guy said, "My boat, my choice." Don't know if it will help, but if you like, I can take some pictures of the conversion they did on WindSwept. I know its not the same, maybe not even same conversion company, but maybe something in there will help. Just let me know. Dan --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris <ccampbell@...> wrote: > > On 11/5/2010 11:18 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > > > > I would sail the boat with a tiller, you may prefer it over wheel > > steering, AND also > > save $ and a lot of installation hassles ! > > > > Wow, Joe, I was just about ready to post the same comment! My personal, > very biased opinion is that almost all sailboats should have tillers. > > Chris Campbell >

On 11/5/2010 1:22 PM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > > Have to chime in with a recent observation. > I never could understand why anyone would want a wheel until I sailed > my friends Ranger 23. The detached rudder vs. my rudder at the end of > keel on the Original Cal 24 will spin the boat like a top, which is > great (saved us from T boning a Santana 20 during a race, whom we > didn't see till the last moment, while both of us were at full hull > speed,by a matter of inches) but there is a lot of torque on the > tiller, and it is very sensitive to slight movement, such that it is > easier to hold it steady using two hands. > Usually, too much pressure on the tiller means too much weather helm, which means baggy sails, bad trim, mast canted aft, need to reef, and all that stuff, and lastly, bad design. Having a wheel just makes it easier to sail with too much weather helm instead of dealing with the underlying problem. That's why tillers are so cool--they give feedback. Wheels do have advantages--you can stand there and look all cool 'n' studly like Famous America's Cup Skipper or Stalwart Salty Mariner. Many fantasy enhancements. But no amount of equipment is going to make me look cool anyway, so I do like to grab the tiller and sail. Chris Campbell > >

I love my Cal 29, but I would trade my wheel for a tiller if I could do it easily and cheaply. The reasons are numerous: I like the feel and sensitivity, in light air I know where the rudder is. I can easily gauge weather helm, I can steer with my foot and adjust the sheet while single handing, to name but a few. This is one of the few things I wish was different about my boat. Be careful what you wish for. Terry Spencer On Nov 5, 2010, at 8:43 AM, daneasysailing wrote: > Have to agree with the tiller guys. My 43 was converted to wheel long ago, and I wish it wasn't; had a much easier time single handing my 2-27. Then again, this is alot more boat. None the less, like the guy said, "My boat, my choice." > > Don't know if it will help, but if you like, I can take some pictures of the conversion they did on WindSwept. I know its not the same, maybe not even same conversion company, but maybe something in there will help. Just let me know. > > Dan > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris <ccampbell@...> wrote: > > > > On 11/5/2010 11:18 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > > > > > > I would sail the boat with a tiller, you may prefer it over wheel > > > steering, AND also > > > save $ and a lot of installation hassles ! > > > > > > > Wow, Joe, I was just about ready to post the same comment! My personal, > > very biased opinion is that almost all sailboats should have tillers. > > > > Chris Campbell > > > > >

Walter; Don't have the info you need but for offshore work and single handed you cannot beat a wheel. Makes life so simple. I'm listening with interest to this thread as I have an original Yacht Specialties binnacle on my 3-29 and have had to move all the controls off the binnacle due to cable failures. The design they use is long SS bolts into the aluminum base and its a PITA to try to remove them. Since your at it, might as well replace both the throttle and shifter cable with high quality Teleflex models and you should be good for years. The higher end ones don't take any lubrication and are extremely flexible so they can be routed almost anywhere. So in short, I would argue for what you are doing, its worth the hassles. Costs well that's a different story. Best of luck. /ch

Terry, I adore my 29 too, and whilst I agree there is more feed back with a tiller I specifically looked for a wheel when buying because I mainly sail single handed (even when the wife is aboard!) all lines led to the rear and very easy to steer with my foot and be able take in/let out sheets etc. Grae Morrison 1972 Cal-29 Red Bank, NJ On 11/05/2010 06:57 PM, Terry Spencer wrote: > > I love my Cal 29, but I would trade my wheel for a tiller if I could > do it easily and cheaply. The reasons are numerous: I like the feel > and sensitivity, in light air I know where the rudder is. I can > easily gauge weather helm, I can steer with my foot and adjust the > sheet while single handing, to name but a few. This is one of the > few things I wish was different about my boat. > > Be careful what you wish for. > > Terry Spencer > > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 8:43 AM, daneasysailing wrote: > >> Have to agree with the tiller guys. My 43 was converted to wheel long >> ago, and I wish it wasn't; had a much easier time single handing my >> 2-27. Then again, this is alot more boat. None the less, like the guy >> said, "My boat, my choice." >> >> Don't know if it will help, but if you like, I can take some pictures >> of the conversion they did on WindSwept. I know its not the same, >> maybe not even same conversion company, but maybe something in there >> will help. Just let me know. >> >> Dan >> >> --- In… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, >> Chris <ccampbell@...> wrote: >> > >> > On 11/5/2010 11:18 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: >> > ; > >> > > I would sail the boat with a tiller, you may prefer it over wheel >> > > steering, AND also >> > > save $ and a lot of installation hassles ! >> > > >> > >> > Wow, Joe, I was just about ready to post the same comment! My personal, >> > very biased opinion is that almost all sailboats should have tillers. >> > >> > Chris Campbell >> > >> > >

I have had equal access to the 29 tiller and 2-29 wheel. Having sailed both in light moderate and heavy conditions. In most conditions the weather helm is felt at the wheel in the same form of control pressure as the tiller. I get the same pleasure on the wheel as the tiller. In a stiff breeze I tend to get warn out faster on a tiller. Now maybe some wheel systems lose more feel than others, I have no complaints with my Edison pedistal wheel. I did change the wheel from the 24" to a 28" diameter for the extended reach. I would not think of fitting it to a tiller. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Spencer To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Need Help with Wheel Conversion I love my Cal 29, but I would trade my wheel for a tiller if I could do it easily and cheaply. The reasons are numerous: I like the feel and sensitivity, in light air I know where the rudder is. I can easily gauge weather helm, I can steer with my foot and adjust the sheet while single handing, to name but a few. This is one of the few things I wish was different about my boat. Be careful what you wish for. Terry Spencer On Nov 5, 2010, at 8:43 AM, daneasysailing wrote: Have to agree with the tiller guys. My 43 was converted to wheel long ago, and I wish it wasn't; had a much easier time single handing my 2-27. Then again, this is alot more boat. None the less, like the guy said, "My boat, my choice." Don't know if it will help, but if you like, I can take some pictures of the conversion they did on WindSwept. I know its not the same, maybe not even same conversion company, but maybe something in there will help. Just let me know. Dan --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris <ccampbell@...> wrote: > > On 11/5/2010 11:18 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > > > > I would sail the boat with a tiller, you may prefer it over wheel > > steering, AND also > > save $ and a lot of installation hassles ! > > > > Wow, Joe, I was just about ready to post the same comment! My personal, > very biased opinion is that almost all sailboats should have tillers. > > Chris Campbell > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5595 (20101105) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5595 (20101105) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I have some rudder stuffing boxes from boats that I have salvaged. Cheap. What diameter shaft and length? Tom Vandiver Cal 46, Pensacola From: Walterj7 <wa… [at] mc-nichols.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 10:12:42 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Need Help with Wheel Conversion Well here I am almost 6 years later after buying the'Breeze', a 1972 CAL-29 Hull 341, finely in the throws of wheel conversion with 3 years of sourcing parts as well as personal (experienced rigger who has done many a Edson Installs) and wouldn't (I) you know it all the folks who had pictures and info about their conversions on a CAL-29 seem to have fallen off the web! Here's the rub, my rigger tells me that according to Edson's instructions and worksheet for the CAL-29 when he measures down from the deck then up from the rudder tube or vice a versa that there's 3 problems. Our Guy at Edson (Ken) agrees we may be in deep... I'll list them in no specific order of any importance than they all must be satisfied: 1.Edson Supplied Stuffing Box, In the location Edson indicates their stuffing box (which we bought directly from them or their distributor)to be installed,it will be at or sometimes under the water line. Edson Support is most concerned about this because they emphatically state and have Reiterate through 'Ken' that the Stuffing Box is NOT designed to be in a near or under waterline installation Nor should be used for these kind of installations. It doesn't have a adjustable compression nut etc. They (Edson) do NOT manufacture a stuffing box that could be used in a underwater line situation. They recommend going to a stuffing Box manufacture and getting one made. (however for the diameter of the rudder shaft the available stuffing box's take up all the room under the deck to the tube etc!) 2. Room: barely enough room to install the Edson quadrant and the Edson Stuffing Box, with maybe 1/2" clearance at most. 3. Measurement Mistakes: According to my Rigger who has researched this with 'Ken' extensively, Edson admits to errors having crept into their drawing dimensions. Another words When you do the measuring down and back up etc the dimensions don't match even close and it makes NO sense! I've tried to succinctly stated the issues I'm facing. 'Ken' asked if I could contact any of the CAL-29 folks who have had the conversion and maybe get some dimensions from them? I've asked 'Ken' to have Edson send me their Steering Conversion Genius who can be onsite and lead us through the merky water (pun intended). He didn't seem to positive on this note. So folks, Who's got something that can help? Walter McNichols s/v Breeze Ponce Inlet, Fl CAL-29 #341 wa… [at] mc-nichols.com

Walter, I too have a 1972 Cal-29, s/v Destiny Hull #435, I've only owned her a few of months now and she has an Edson steering pedestal which by all accounts (going back through a few old surveys) has been on for some time, 10+ years She's just come out of the water up here in cold NJ so I can take some photos and get some details when I'm down at the yard next week - which dimensions are you looking for specifically ? Grae Morrison On 11/05/2010 11:12 AM, Walterj7 wrote: > > Well here I am almost 6 years later after buying the'Breeze', a 1972 > CAL-29 Hull 341, finely in the throws of wheel conversion with 3 years > of sourcing parts as well as personal (experienced rigger who has done > many a Edson Installs) and wouldn't (I) you know it all the folks who > had pictures and info about their conversions on a CAL-29 seem to have > fallen off the web! > > Here's the rub, my rigger tells me that according to Edson's > instructions and worksheet for the CAL-29 when he measures down from > the deck then up from the rudder tube or vice a versa that there's 3 > problems. Our Guy at Edson (Ken) agrees we may be in deep... > I'll list them in no specific order of any importance than they all > must be satisfied: > > 1.Edson Supplied Stuffing Box, In the location Edson indicates their > stuffing box (which we bought directly from them or their > distributor)to be installed,it will be at or sometimes under the water > line. Edson Support is most concerned about this because they > emphatically state and have Reiterate through 'Ken' that the Stuffing > Box is NOT designed to be in a near or under waterline installation > Nor should be used for these kind of installations. It doesn't have a > adjustable compression nut etc. They (Edson) do NOT manufacture a > stuffing box that could be used in a underwater line situation. > > They recommend going to a stuffing Box manufacture and getting one > made. (however for the diameter of the rudder shaft the available > stuffing box's take up all the room under the deck to the tube etc!) > > 2. Room: barely enough room to install the Edson quadrant and the > Edson Stuffing Box, with maybe 1/2" clearance at most. > > 3. Measurement Mistakes: According to my Rigger who has researched > this with 'Ken' extensively, Edson admits to errors having crept into > their drawing dimensions. Another words When you do the measuring down > and back up etc the dimensions don't match even close and it makes NO > sense! > > I've tried to succinctly stated the issues I'm facing. 'Ken' asked if > I could contact any of the CAL-29 folks who have had the conversion > and maybe get some dimensions from them? I've asked 'Ken' to have > Edson send me their Steering Conversion Genius who can be onsite and > lead us through the merky water (pun intended). He didn't seem to > positive on this note. > > So folks, Who's got something that can help? > > Walter McNichols > s/v Breeze > Ponce Inlet, Fl > CAL-29 #341 > wa… [at] mc-nichols.com <mailto:walter%40mc-nichols.com> > >

Chris, Can you give me the info on those cables? I am thinking about doing that job also before they break. As far as Walter's problem that's a tough one. The 29s were fitted with Yacht Specialties systems, not Edson, and YS disappeared long ago. Do any of you guys with the original plans have the info that might help Walter? By the way, I agree with Walter, I love my wheel! Almost didn't buy the boat because I wanted one with a tiller. Regards, David Dobbs Cal29 411 --- On Fri, 11/5/10, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Need Help with Wheel Conversion To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 6:24 PM Walter; Don't have the info you need but for offshore work and single handed you cannot beat a wheel. Makes life so simple. I'm listening with interest to this thread as I have an original Yacht Specialties binnacle on my 3-29 and have had to move all the controls off the binnacle due to cable failures. The design they use is long SS bolts into the aluminum base and its a PITA to try to remove them. Since your at it, might as well replace both the throttle and shifter cable with high quality Teleflex models and you should be good for years. The higher end ones don't take any lubrication and are extremely flexible so they can be routed almost anywhere. So in short, I would argue for what you are doing, its worth the hassles. Costs well that's a different story. Best of luck. /ch

The teleflex cable you need will be rather simple, its a matter of length. http://www.teleflexmarine.com/products/controls-and-cables/control-cables-and-accessories/tfxtreme-cables/ The best ones are called TFXtreme. Be careful with the thread pitch and dia of the end of the cable. Those are the only critical factors that you need to give to teleflex or a supplier to make sure you can reuse the end fittings. A phone call usually solves that problem, and its pretty easy. Now one thing is strange on my boat. 78-CAL-3-29. All cables are reversed. I think this is because they used the same cables for all models towards the end of the production run....and Les and I discussed this at length. So if you can, or if needed, its a good time to re-route the cables to get it all aligned properly. On my boat its going to be a bit of a challenge for the shifter cable as the engine cable mount would need to be replaced. When the throttle cable broke I took it off the binnacle and mounted the entire assembly below the port side locker. It was winter and heck an easy fix. Once I locate an original Morse control will replace both cables with that end control fitting so everything is off the binnacle. I also have the yacht specialties model and would not be without a wheel, simple to have a reliable autopilot. The shifter cable runs as follows. Down the binnacle, curves to the stern of the boat, then loops forward along the hull bottom, runs under the engine, comes back over the engine above the carb (Atomic 4) then attaches to the cable bracket which is mounted at the rear of the engine, then to the shift lever. YMMV. Hence the discussion, gee did they use the same cables on all boats ....:) and the reason its reversed. Forward detant is located by pulling back on the lever...a bit challenging when your backing up, sooo, I swallow my pride and just move to the opposite side of the wheel. Looks weird but works. Prop walk is terrible on this boat with a 2 bladed prop btw, a learned art involving voodo and chanting....combined with explatives that would make a sailor proud. All at low levels of course as to no disturb the tranquility of the anchorage...:) Best regards, hope that helps. /ch

Comments in line; Do any of you guys with the original plans have the info that might help Walter? ============== The drawings are located here; https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B5RAU5vfTL5JODIzODEwNjAtODA3ZC00NGFjLTk2YzMtZjY1OTEyN2RkNzAz&sort=name&layout=list&num=50 /ch

What a riot! I just looked at the plans for the 29 and was amazed to learn that these are actually "California" boats! Of course, I knew they were built in California and were called "Cal", but I thought that was it- just Cal. Thanks for the insight. Phileta Cal 35 MK IIIl On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:19 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > Comments in line; > > Do any of you guys with the original plans have the info that might help > Walter? > > ============== > > The drawings are located here; > > > > https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B5RAU5vfTL5JODIzODEwNjAtODA3ZC00NGFjLTk2YzMtZjY1OTEyN2RkNzAz&sort=name&layout=list&num=50 > > /ch > > > -- Phileta ~~~_/) ~~~ www.homeiswherethehullis.blogspot.com

Heres what I have on Edison. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Grae morrison To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Need Help with Wheel Conversion Walter, I too have a 1972 Cal-29, s/v Destiny Hull #435, I've only owned her a few of months now and she has an Edson steering pedestal which by all accounts (going back through a few old surveys) has been on for some time, 10+ years She's just come out of the water up here in cold NJ so I can take some photos and get some details when I'm down at the yard next week - which dimensions are you looking for specifically ? Grae Morrison On 11/05/2010 11:12 AM, Walterj7 wrote: Well here I am almost 6 years later after buying the'Breeze', a 1972 CAL-29 Hull 341, finely in the throws of wheel conversion with 3 years of sourcing parts as well as personal (experienced rigger who has done many a Edson Installs) and wouldn't (I) you know it all the folks who had pictures and info about their conversions on a CAL-29 seem to have fallen off the web! Here's the rub, my rigger tells me that according to Edson's instructions and worksheet for the CAL-29 when he measures down from the deck then up from the rudder tube or vice a versa that there's 3 problems. Our Guy at Edson (Ken) agrees we may be in deep... I'll list them in no specific order of any importance than they all must be satisfied: 1.Edson Supplied Stuffing Box, In the location Edson indicates their stuffing box (which we bought directly from them or their distributor)to be installed,it will be at or sometimes under the water line. Edson Support is most concerned about this because they emphatically state and have Reiterate through 'Ken' that the Stuffing Box is NOT designed to be in a near or under waterline installation Nor should be used for these kind of installations. It doesn't have a adjustable compression nut etc. They (Edson) do NOT manufacture a stuffing box that could be used in a underwater line situation. They recommend going to a stuffing Box manufacture and getting one made. (however for the diameter of the rudder shaft the available stuffing box's take up all the room under the deck to the tube etc!) 2. Room: barely enough room to install the Edson quadrant and the Edson Stuffing Box, with maybe 1/2" clearance at most. 3. Measurement Mistakes: According to my Rigger who has researched this with 'Ken' extensively, Edson admits to errors having crept into their drawing dimensions. Another words When you do the measuring down and back up etc the dimensions don't match even close and it makes NO sense! I've tried to succinctly stated the issues I'm facing. 'Ken' asked if I could contact any of the CAL-29 folks who have had the conversion and maybe get some dimensions from them? I've asked 'Ken' to have Edson send me their Steering Conversion Genius who can be onsite and lead us through the merky water (pun intended). He didn't seem to positive on this note. So folks, Who's got something that can help? Walter McNichols s/v Breeze Ponce Inlet, Fl CAL-29 #341 wa… [at] mc-nichols.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5597 (20101106) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5599 (20101107) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Mark, Thanks a lot! Doesn't hurt to have several copies of documents. Maybe one will reveal the errors ??? -Walter Walter J. ('Mick') McNichols wa… [at] mc-nichols.com On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting) < ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: > > [Attachment(s) <#12c2892fed16d11d_TopText> from Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS > Consulting) included below] > > Heres what I have on Edison. > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Grae morrison <gr… [at] gtmorrison.net> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Saturday, November 06, 2010 12:05 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Need Help with Wheel Conversion > > > > Walter, > > I too have a 1972 Cal-29, s/v Destiny Hull #435, I've only owned her a few > of months now and she has an Edson steering pedestal which by all accounts > (going back through a few old surveys) has been on for some time, 10+ years > > She's just come out of the water up here in cold NJ so I can take some > photos and get some details when I'm down at the yard next week - which > dimensions are you looking for specifically ? > > Grae Morrison > > On 11/05/2010 11:12 AM, Walterj7 wrote: > > > > Well here I am almost 6 years later after buying the'Breeze', a 1972 CAL-29 > Hull 341, finely in the throws of wheel conversion with 3 years of sourcing > parts as well as personal (experienced rigger who has done many a Edson > Installs) and wouldn't (I) you know it all the folks who had pictures and > info about their conversions on a CAL-29 seem to have fallen off the web! > > Here's the rub, my rigger tells me that according to Edson's instructions > and worksheet for the CAL-29 when he measures down from the deck then up > from the rudder tube or vice a versa that there's 3 problems. Our Guy at > Edson (Ken) agrees we may be in deep... > I'll list them in no specific order of any importance than they all must be > satisfied: > > 1.Edson Supplied Stuffing Box, In the location Edson indicates their > stuffing box (which we bought directly from them or their distributor)to be > installed,it will be at or sometimes under the water line. Edson Support is > most concerned about this because they emphatically state and have Reiterate > through 'Ken' that the Stuffing Box is NOT designed to be in a near or under > waterline installation Nor should be used for these kind of installations. > It doesn't have a adjustable compression nut etc. They (Edson) do NOT > manufacture a stuffing box that could be used in a underwater line > situation. > > They recommend going to a stuffing Box manufacture and getting one made. > (however for the diameter of the rudder shaft the available stuffing box's > take up all the room under the deck to the tube etc!) > > 2. Room: barely enough room to install the Edson quadrant and the Edson > Stuffing Box, with maybe 1/2" clearance at most. > > 3. Measurement Mistakes: According to my Rigger who has researched this > with 'Ken' extensively, Edson admits to errors having crept into their > drawing dimensions. Another words When you do the measuring down and back up > etc the dimensions don't match even close and it makes NO sense! > > I've tried to succinctly stated the issues I'm facing. 'Ken' asked if I > could contact any of the CAL-29 folks who have had the conversion and maybe > get some dimensions from them? I've asked 'Ken' to have Edson send me their > Steering Conversion Genius who can be onsite and lead us through the merky > water (pun intended). He didn't seem to positive on this note. > > So folks, Who's got something that can help? > > Walter McNichols > s/v Breeze > Ponce Inlet, Fl > CAL-29 #341 > wa… [at] mc-nichols.com <walter%40mc-nichols.com> > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5597 (20101106) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5599 (20101107) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > >