blood & bugs on paint

Cal sailors: Let us imagine that your Cal is hurtling down the highway at night, going 60 mph. The tow vehicle runs over a dead animal, one not dead enough to have dried out, and blood squirts on the topsides. At the same time, kamikaze bugs, attracted by the brilliance of your polished hull, smash into it, leaving bug innards all over. And then you go sailing, figuring that you'll wash the debris off later. When you do, nothing happens. Water does not help. Try mineral spirits; nope, no luck. How about shellac thinner (alcohol of some persuasion)? No help. Maybe 3M Adhesive Remover? Won't budge it. Now imagine that instead of a gel-coated Cal, I'm talking about a painted car. What will take animal blood and squashed bugs off my prized '86 Mustang? Chris Campbell

I would go in this order. Obviously try detergent and hot water first. These are all automotive products: 1) Tar remover (probably won't work) 2) Black streak remover (might work) 3) Car polish (might work) 4) Rubbing compound (will work) -- try fine grades first. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > > Cal sailors: > > Let us imagine that your Cal is hurtling down the highway at night, > going 60 mph. The tow vehicle runs over a dead animal, one not dead > enough to have dried out, and blood squirts on the topsides. At the > same time, kamikaze bugs, attracted by the brilliance of your polished > hull, smash into it, leaving bug innards all over. > > And then you go sailing, figuring that you'll wash the debris off > later. When you do, nothing happens. Water does not help. Try mineral > spirits; nope, no luck. How about shellac thinner (alcohol of some > persuasion)? No help. Maybe 3M Adhesive Remover? Won't budge it. > > Now imagine that instead of a gel-coated Cal, I'm talking about a > painted car. What will take animal blood and squashed bugs off my > prized '86 Mustang? > > Chris Campbell > >

On 11/22/2010 9:23 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: > I would go in this order. Obviously try detergent and hot water > first. These are all automotive products: > > 1) Tar remover (probably won't work) So what is tar remover? I figured it must be close to mineral spirits, which had no effect. Is kerosene or diesel fuel significantly different? Chris Campbell

Try a simple answer: "Simple Green!" You may have to soak it up a bit and do a couple of applications. Auto shop gave me this helpful hint and it works. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris <ccampbell@...> wrote: > > > Now imagine that instead of a gel-coated Cal, I'm talking about a > painted car. What will take animal blood and squashed bugs off my > prized '86 Mustang? > > Chris Campbell >

On 11/22/2010 10:24 AM, sailingbuds wrote: > > > > Try a simple answer: "Simple Green!" You may have to soak it up a bit > and do a couple of applications. Auto shop gave me this helpful hint > and it works. > I'll try that, too. My first water-based effort was using a car-wash detergent. Chris Campbell

I used Simple Green on one of my motorcycles and it softened the paint on the frame. Don't use it full strength.... Wilkie On Nov 22, 2010, at 7:24 AM, sailingbuds wrote: > > > Try a simple answer: "Simple Green!" You may have to soak it up a > bit and do a couple of applications. Auto shop gave me this helpful > hint and it works. > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris <ccampbell@...> wrote: > > > > > Now imagine that instead of a gel-coated Cal, I'm talking about a > > painted car. What will take animal blood and squashed bugs off my > > prized '86 Mustang? > > > > Chris Campbell > > > > >

As far as I know it toluene. The chemistry of organics (which I failed) is the chemistry of petroleum and natural based compounds. When it come to petrochemical based solvents they are all similar in structure but different enough to make a difference. The rule of thumb with organics is general is the like disolves in like. So what may not work with mineral spirits may work with something that is very close. Its kinda like pharmaceuticals which are really complex molecultes and act differently in each person (even more complex) Take Nexium for example it may work for you. Take the mirror image of that drug (same molecule except reversed if you look at on paper, and it may not work for you) I know this one from experience. I had to use the other stuff for a while at 3.00 CDN a pill. As far as I know toluene and MEK are available at ACE. These are basically paint strippers. I would think you would have better luck with a very mild rubbing compound as it seams to me the "juices" have impregnated the dried paint layer. Hence nothing is taking the stuff off. Once you buff out the stuff, then remember to add polish out the areas and wax liberally. Best regards On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > > On 11/22/2010 9:23 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > > I would go in this order. Obviously try detergent and hot water first. > These are all automotive products: > > 1) Tar remover (probably won't work) > > > So what is tar remover? I figured it must be close to mineral spirits, > which had no effect. Is kerosene or diesel fuel significantly different? > > Chris Campbell > > > -- /ch

Have you considered using clay bar? On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > As far as I know it toluene. The chemistry of organics (which I failed) is > the chemistry of petroleum and natural based compounds. > > When it come to petrochemical based solvents they are all similar in > structure but different enough to make a difference. The rule of thumb with > organics is general is the like disolves in like. So what may not work with > mineral spirits may work with something that is very close. Its kinda like > pharmaceuticals which are really complex molecultes and act differently in > each person (even more complex) > > Take Nexium for example it may work for you. Take the mirror image of that > drug (same molecule except reversed if you look at on paper, and it may not > work for you) I know this one from experience. I had to use the other stuff > for a while at 3.00 CDN a pill. > > As far as I know toluene and MEK are available at ACE. These are basically > paint strippers. > > I would think you would have better luck with a very mild rubbing compound > as it seams to me the "juices" have impregnated the dried paint layer. Hence > nothing is taking the stuff off. Once you buff out the stuff, then remember > to add polish out the areas and wax liberally. > > Best regards > > > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > >> >> >> On 11/22/2010 9:23 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: >> >> >> I would go in this order. Obviously try detergent and hot water first. >> These are all automotive products: >> >> 1) Tar remover (probably won't work) >> >> >> So what is tar remover? I figured it must be close to mineral spirits, >> which had no effect. Is kerosene or diesel fuel significantly different? >> >> Chris Campbell >> >> > > > -- > /ch > > > >

On 11/22/2010 4:24 PM, chris123 wrote: > > As far as I know it toluene. The chemistry of organics (which I > failed) is the chemistry of petroleum and natural based compounds. > > > > As far as I know toluene and MEK are available at ACE. These are > basically paint strippers. > > I would think you would have better luck with a very mild rubbing > compound as it seams to me the "juices" have impregnated the dried > paint layer. Hence nothing is taking the stuff off. > I'll try some toluene and/or MEK (if thinned Simple Green does not help); have both on hand but they seemed a bit aggressive. I'll try a bit on a cotton swab. Luckily, the stuff is mostly on the rocker panels and lower portions of doors, where any screw-ups are less visible. This stuff is surface-layer accumulation. If I work at it with a finger nail, most spots scrape off. It's just a pain to do it that way. If all else fails, I may try sharpening a piece of some durable wood like oak as a mild scraper. It is interesting how the organic solvents are so picky about what they dissolve. I'm just hoping that whatever works on bug juice & carcass blood doesn't like car paint. Chris Campbell > Once you buff out the stuff, then remember to add polish out the areas > and wax liberally. > > Best regards > > > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org > <mailto:cc… [at] lsnm.org>> wrote: > > On 11/22/2010 9:23 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: >> I would go in this order. Obviously try detergent and hot water >> first. These are all automotive products: >> >> 1) Tar remover (probably won't work) > > So what is tar remover? I figured it must be close to mineral > spirits, which had no effect. Is kerosene or diesel fuel > significantly different? > > Chris Campbell > > > > > -- > /ch > > >

On 11/22/2010 4:39 PM, Gregory Rogers wrote: > > Have you considered using clay bar? > No. I have a vague recollection about this as a finish-cleaning tool. I'lll Google it. Chris Campbell

A tool that one of my friends in the construction industry turned me on to are scraperite blades (http://www.scraperite.com/). They might give you a truer edge than sharpened wood. They work wonders for most tasks on the boat and I have used them on my car for bugs and other derbis also. Pretty simple idea but basically a razor shaped blade made in various denistys of plastic for applications exactly like this. Also did a dream job removing the vinyl graphics that the previous owner of my 28-2 applied 10+ years ago. Good Luck! Mike Hofstetter 1988 Cal 28-2 "Sails Call" Baltimore From: Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 5:05:32 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] blood & bugs on paint On 11/22/2010 4:24 PM, chris123 wrote: >As far as I know it toluene. The chemistry of organics (which I failed) is the >chemistry of petroleum and natural based compounds. > > > > >As far as I know toluene and MEK are available at ACE. These are basically paint >strippers. > > >I would think you would have better luck with a very mild rubbing compound as it >seams to me the "juices" have impregnated the dried paint layer. Hence nothing >is taking the stuff off. > I'll try some toluene and/or MEK (if thinned Simple Green does not help); have both on hand but they seemed a bit aggressive. I'll try a bit on a cotton swab. Luckily, the stuff is mostly on the rocker panels and lower portions of doors, where any screw-ups are less visible. This stuff is surface-layer accumulation. If I work at it with a finger nail, most spots scrape off. It's just a pain to do it that way. If all else fails, I may try sharpening a piece of some durable wood like oak as a mild scraper. It is interesting how the organic solvents are so picky about what they dissolve. I'm just hoping that whatever works on bug juice & carcass blood doesn't like car paint. Chris Campbell Once you buff out the stuff, then remember to add polish out the areas and wax liberally. > >Best regards > > > >On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > >>On 11/22/2010 9:23 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: >> >>>I would go in this order. Obviously try detergent and hot water first. These >>>are all automotive products: >>> >>>1) Tar remover (probably won't work) >So what is tar remover? I figured it must be close to mineral spirits, which >had no effect. Is kerosene or diesel fuel significantly different? >> >>Chris Campbell >> >> > > >-- >/ch > > >

I think OxyClean works on blood? Takes some soaking time. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:06 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] blood & bugs on paint On 11/22/2010 4:24 PM, chris123 wrote: As far as I know it toluene. The chemistry of organics (which I failed) is the chemistry of petroleum and natural based compounds. As far as I know toluene and MEK are available at ACE. These are basically paint strippers. I would think you would have better luck with a very mild rubbing compound as it seams to me the "juices" have impregnated the dried paint layer. Hence nothing is taking the stuff off. I'll try some toluene and/or MEK (if thinned Simple Green does not help); have both on hand but they seemed a bit aggressive. I'll try a bit on a cotton swab. Luckily, the stuff is mostly on the rocker panels and lower portions of doors, where any screw-ups are less visible. This stuff is surface-layer accumulation. If I work at it with a finger nail, most spots scrape off. It's just a pain to do it that way. If all else fails, I may try sharpening a piece of some durable wood like oak as a mild scraper. It is interesting how the organic solvents are so picky about what they dissolve. I'm just hoping that whatever works on bug juice & carcass blood doesn't like car paint. Chris Campbell Once you buff out the stuff, then remember to add polish out the areas and wax liberally. Best regards On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org<mailto:cc… [at] lsnm.org>> wrote: On 11/22/2010 9:23 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: I would go in this order. Obviously try detergent and hot water first. These are all automotive products: 1) Tar remover (probably won't work) So what is tar remover? I figured it must be close to mineral spirits, which had no effect. Is kerosene or diesel fuel significantly different? Chris Campbell -- /ch

Steel wool! --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris <ccampbell@...> wrote: > > Cal sailors: > <SNIP> > Now imagine that instead of a gel-coated Cal, I'm talking about a > painted car. What will take animal blood and squashed bugs off my > prized '86 Mustang? > > Chris Campbell >

This is the black streak remover I have used for cleaning my RV. It works great. http://www.starbrite.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=1014&ProductCat=Marine&ProductSCat=Cleaners%20-%20Washes%20Marine&ProductSSCat=Black%20Streak%20Remover <http://www.starbrite.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=1014&ProductCat=Marine&ProductSCat=Cleaners%20-%20Washes%20Marine&ProductSSCat=Black%20Streak%20Remover> Allen On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Danny <db… [at] easystreet.net> wrote: > > > Steel wool! > > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris > <ccampbell@...> wrote: > > > > Cal sailors: > > > <SNIP> > > > Now imagine that instead of a gel-coated Cal, I'm talking about a > > painted car. What will take animal blood and squashed bugs off my > > prized '86 Mustang? > > > > Chris Campbell > > > > >

According to NCIS and several murder mysteries, Clorox bleach should remove the blood stains. Bug and tar remover from your local auto parts store should handle the rest. YMMV (haven't tried the blood stain removal, but bug and tar works) John From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:04 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] blood & bugs on paint Cal sailors: Let us imagine that your Cal is hurtling down the highway at night, going 60 mph. The tow vehicle runs over a dead animal, one not dead enough to have dried out, and blood squirts on the topsides. At the same time, kamikaze bugs, attracted by the brilliance of your polished hull, smash into it, leaving bug innards all over. And then you go sailing, figuring that you'll wash the debris off later. When you do, nothing happens. Water does not help. Try mineral spirits; nope, no luck. How about shellac thinner (alcohol of some persuasion)? No help. Maybe 3M Adhesive Remover? Won't budge it. Now imagine that instead of a gel-coated Cal, I'm talking about a painted car. What will take animal blood and squashed bugs off my prized '86 Mustang? Chris Campbell

80 grit 'll gitter Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Danny [mailto:db… [at] easystreet.net] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 04:35 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: blood & bugs on paint Steel wool! --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris <ccampbell@...> wrote: > > Cal sailors: > <SNIP> > Now imagine that instead of a gel-coated Cal, I'm talking about a > painted car. What will take animal blood and squashed bugs off my > prized '86 Mustang? > > Chris Campbell >

Wouldn't a little bleach or hydrogen peroxide oxide the stain? Oxacylic acid maybe? Otherwize, how about 30 grit? Jerry --- On Mon, 11/22/10, ti… [at] ch2m.com <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: From: ti… [at] ch2m.com <ti… [at] ch2m.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: blood & bugs on paint To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 6:14 PM 80 grit 'll gitter Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Danny [mailto:db… [at] easystreet.net] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 04:35 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: blood & bugs on paint Steel wool! --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chris <ccampbell@...> wrote: > > Cal sailors: > <SNIP> > Now imagine that instead of a gel-coated Cal, I'm talking about a > painted car. What will take animal blood and squashed bugs off my > prized '86 Mustang? > > Chris Campbell >

Years ago a car fanatic owned a beautiful El Camino, he cleaned it with kerosene, then washed and waxed it. The first time I saw the process, all I could think of was the danger. Lucky for me, my cals are too big to hurtle through space (and california has a 55 mph trailer law). Maybe after you clean it up you can put some "glass wax" type stuff to rub off when you reach your destination. Some boats that are near airports or dirty cities get black spots that are really hard to remove also. Messes up the nonskid especially. HH From: Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 6:03:53 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] blood & bugs on paint Cal sailors: Let us imagine that your Cal is hurtling down the highway at night, going 60 mph. The tow vehicle runs over a dead animal, one not dead enough to have dried out, and blood squirts on the topsides. At the same time, kamikaze bugs, attracted by the brilliance of your polished hull, smash into it, leaving bug innards all over. And then you go sailing, figuring that you'll wash the debris off later. When you do, nothing happens. Water does not help. Try mineral spirits; nope, no luck. How about shellac thinner (alcohol of some persuasion)? No help. Maybe 3M Adhesive Remover? Won't budge it. Now imagine that instead of a gel-coated Cal, I'm talking about a painted car. What will take animal blood and squashed bugs off my prized '86 Mustang? Chris Campbell

I have sanded my car and that will work on some kinds of paints. It wasn't 60 grit though, it was 1500 grit at most, maybe finer. Allen On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > Years ago a car fanatic owned a beautiful El Camino, he cleaned it with > kerosene, then washed and waxed it. The first time I saw the process, all I > could think of was the danger. Lucky for me, my cals are too big to hurtle > through space (and california has a 55 mph trailer law). Maybe after you > clean it up you can put some "glass wax" type stuff to rub off when you > reach your destination. Some boats that are near airports or dirty cities > get black spots that are really hard to remove also. Messes up the nonskid > especially. HH > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Mon, November 22, 2010 6:03:53 AM > > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] blood & bugs on paint > > > > Cal sailors: > > Let us imagine that your Cal is hurtling down the highway at night, > going 60 mph. The tow vehicle runs over a dead animal, one not dead > enough to have dried out, and blood squirts on the topsides. At the > same time, kamikaze bugs, attracted by the brilliance of your polished > hull, smash into it, leaving bug innards all over. > > And then you go sailing, figuring that you'll wash the debris off > later. When you do, nothing happens. Water does not help. Try mineral > spirits; nope, no luck. How about shellac thinner (alcohol of some > persuasion)? No help. Maybe 3M Adhesive Remover? Won't budge it. > > Now imagine that instead of a gel-coated Cal, I'm talking about a > painted car. What will take animal blood and squashed bugs off my > prized '86 Mustang? > > Chris Campbell > > >

By the time Chris is done putting on and grinding off everything that has been suggested, there won't be much left of the car. Chris, I suggest you short-circuit the experiments and just go right to 10 molar HCl. When the smoke clears, those damn stains will sure be gone. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 11:49 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: blood & bugs on paint Wouldn't a little bleach or hydrogen peroxide oxide the stain? Oxacylic acid maybe? Otherwize, how about 30 grit? Jerry --- On Mon, 11/22/10, ti… [at] ch2m.com <ti… [at] ch2m.com> wrote: From: ti… [at] ch2m.com <ti… [at] ch2m.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: blood & bugs on paint To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 6:14 PM 80 grit 'll gitter Cheers, Timm Lessley (Sent from Blackberry) (503) 863-4019 From: Danny [mailto:db… [at] easystreet.net] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 04:35 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: blood & bugs on paint Steel wool! --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com</mc/compose?to=Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris <ccampbell@...> wrote: > > Cal sailors: > <SNIP> > Now imagine that instead of a gel-coated Cal, I'm talking about a > painted car. What will take animal blood and squashed bugs off my > prized '86 Mustang? > > Chris Campbell >

On 11/22/2010 5:41 PM, Michael Hofstetter wrote: > A tool that one of my friends in the construction industry turned me > on to are scraperite blades (http://www.scraperite.com/). They might > give you a truer edge than sharpened wood. > They work wonders for most tasks on the boat and I have used them on > my car for bugs and other derbis also. Pretty simple idea but > basically a razor shaped blade made in various denistys of plastic for > applications exactly like this. Also did a dream job removing the > vinyl graphics that the previous owner of my 28-2 applied 10+ years ago. I recall now seeing a mention of those in some boating magazine...the idea sounded far-fetched. But now I'll seek some out and save my finger nails. Chris Campbell >

Did anyone point out that using your finger nail might remove the blood stains? I use that method every time I wash my car. Allen On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > > On 11/22/2010 5:41 PM, Michael Hofstetter wrote: > > > A tool that one of my friends in the construction industry turned me on > to are scraperite blades (http://www.scraperite.com/). They might give > you a truer edge than sharpened wood. > > They work wonders for most tasks on the boat and I have used them on my car > for bugs and other derbis also. Pretty simple idea but basically a razor > shaped blade made in various denistys of plastic for applications exactly > like this. Also did a dream job removing the vinyl graphics that the > previous owner of my 28-2 applied 10+ years ago. > > > I recall now seeing a mention of those in some boating magazine...the idea > sounded far-fetched. But now I'll seek some out and save my finger nails. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > >

On 11/23/2010 12:08 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > Did anyone point out that using your finger nail might remove the > blood stains? I use that method every time I wash my car. > Actually, I suggested that I had done that but it's a pain because of all the little spatters. But the further question, Allen, is why you need to get blood off every time you wash your car. I think I'll stay out of your way. :^) Chris Campbell > >

Well... actually it is my boat that I have to get blood off of every time I wash it. My crew is accident prone and my boat has a constant stream of crew safety improvements going on. Allen On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > > > On 11/23/2010 12:08 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > > > Did anyone point out that using your finger nail might remove the blood > stains? I use that method every time I wash my car. > > > Actually, I suggested that I had done that but it's a pain because of all > the little spatters. > > But the further question, Allen, is why you need to get blood off every > time you wash your car. I think I'll stay out of your way. > > :^) > > Chris Campbell > > > > > >

On 11/23/2010 2:53 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > Well... actually it is my boat that I have to get blood off of every > time I wash it. My crew is accident prone and my boat has a constant > stream of crew safety improvements going on. > Get a younger crew so you don't have a bunch of old farts gulping Plavix and aspirin and bleeding all over. A couple years ago I stubbed my toe on mast-stepping day and kept leaving a trail of blood. Finally had to beg a band-aid from a powerboater (I can be humble when necessary). After that, I added a small collection of first aid items on the Cal 20, and haven't needed one since. It's kinda like putting on the foul weather gear to prevent rain. And when I got one year post-stents, they decided I don't need the Plavix any more so I'm better at retaining blood anyway. Chris Campbell > >

I previously worked at a plant that belched iron powders out the vents. Every car became contaminated to the extent that steel wool was normally used to clean the windshields. The one thing that seemed to work on the painted surfaces was Mother's brand cleaners. This stuff had a clay component and brought a smooth finish to even the worst vehicle. Good Luck John B Cal22 #650 _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:33 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] blood & bugs on paint I have sanded my car and that will work on some kinds of paints. It wasn't 60 grit though, it was 1500 grit at most, maybe finer. Allen On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: to hurtle through space (and california has a 55 mph trailer law). Maybe after you clean it up you can put some "glass wax" type stuff to rub off when you reach your destination. Some boats that are near airports or dirty cities get black spots that are really hard to remove also. Messes up the nonskid especially. HH _____ From: Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 6:03:53 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] blood & bugs on paint Cal sailors: Let us imagine that your Cal is hurtling down the highway at night, going 60 mph. The tow vehicle runs over a dead animal, one not dead enough to have dried out, and blood squirts on the topsides. At the same time, kamikaze bugs, attracted by the brilliance of your polished hull, smash into it, leaving bug innards all over. And then you go sailing, figuring that you'll wash the debris off later. When you do, nothing happens. Water does not help. Try mineral spirits; nope, no luck. How about shellac thinner (alcohol of some persuasion)? No help. Maybe 3M Adhesive Remover? Won't budge it. Now imagine that instead of a gel-coated Cal, I'm talking about a painted car. What will take animal blood and squashed bugs off my prized '86 Mustang? Chris Campbell

Thats ok on a modern cars. Did a stint in auto for a while and the painting systems have changed significantly from when Chris C's car was painted. Modern paints are a two component system, color and clear coat over a primed body shell. Its a system with the clear coat being the inhibitor of stuff getting to the paint. On Chris C's vintage model it would have been a one part system with the paint being a high gloss finish. Once this is subject to air from movement, UV from the sun and micro grit again from moving, the gloss quickly wears off as its a skin on the paint as it dries. Hence in the old days you waxed after your removed the old stuff. (sailing content: same procedure for topsides) So once stuff gets into the porous paint its in there pretty good as it no longer surface debris. Rather the organic liquids have penetrated the paint layer similar to tanin and other stuff in the water that gets into haze paint. On boat paint an acid wash will get that stuff out. On a car, it gets a bit tricky. Best regards /ch On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Allen Edwards < al… [at] paloaltophoto.com> wrote: > > > Did anyone point out that using your finger nail might remove the blood > stains? I use that method every time I wash my car. > > Allen > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > >> >> >> On 11/22/2010 5:41 PM, Michael Hofstetter wrote: >> >> >> A tool that one of my friends in the construction industry turned me on >> to are scraperite blades (http://www.scraperite.com/). They might give >> you a truer edge than sharpened wood. >> >> They work wonders for most tasks on the boat and I have used them on my >> car for bugs and other derbis also. Pretty simple idea but basically a >> razor shaped blade made in various denistys of plastic for applications >> exactly like this. Also did a dream job removing the vinyl graphics that >> the previous owner of my 28-2 applied 10+ years ago. >> >> >> I recall now seeing a mention of those in some boating magazine...the idea >> sounded far-fetched. But now I'll seek some out and save my finger nails. >> >> Chris Campbell >> >> >> >> >> > > -- /ch