What is this line called

I have a control line that adjusts the twist of a jib without moving the jib car. Of course, moving the car is the normal way of doing this. We use it when we are sailing off the wind. I have drawn a sketch of what it looks like. It is the blue line in the sketch. It goes to a winch but you could also get mechanical advantage through some blocks. I don't know what to call it. Here are some things I have considered and the problem with them: 1) Downhaul -- line that pulls down the tack, not the clew 2) Barberhauler -- line that pulls the clew outboard although sometimes used to describe an inhauler, which we also have. 3) Inhauler -- line that pulls the clew inboard. 4) Twing -- line that pulls the spinnaker pole down thus lowering the clew. 5) Fairlead -- the jib car. By the way, this is 10 times easier to adjust than a line that moves the jib car. Anyone know what the correct name would be for this line? Allen

By the way, the sketch doesn't really show how I control it. I should have just attached a photo, which I now have. I get a 2:1 advantage right at the start which makes it a little easier to control. Allen On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Allen Edwards < al… [at] paloaltophoto.com> wrote: > > [Attachment(s) <#12c42de2680f48b7_TopText> from Allen Edwards included > below] > > I have a control line that adjusts the twist of a jib without moving the > jib car. Of course, moving the car is the normal way of doing this. We use > it when we are sailing off the wind. I have drawn a sketch of what it looks > like. It is the blue line in the sketch. It goes to a winch but you could > also get mechanical advantage through some blocks. > > I don't know what to call it. > > Here are some things I have considered and the problem with them: > > 1) Downhaul -- line that pulls down the tack, not the clew > 2) Barberhauler -- line that pulls the clew outboard although sometimes > used to describe an inhauler, which we also have. > 3) Inhauler -- line that pulls the clew inboard. > 4) Twing -- line that pulls the spinnaker pole down thus lowering the clew. > 5) Fairlead -- the jib car. > > By the way, this is 10 times easier to adjust than a line that moves the > jib car. > > Anyone know what the correct name would be for this line? > > Allen > > >

Allen, I would call anything that pulls the jib sheet out or in or down (or up?) a Barberhauler. Not sure on that. One correction - the twinger pulls the spinnaker sheet down. The pole height is controlled separately. Downhaul needs a modifier such as "jib" (could also be a cunningham). I use the term downhaul for spin pole control as well. When things get hectic, I call everything "That!" or "The Green (insert desired color) One!". After all, colorful words are permitted in these situations. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 8:34 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] What is this line called [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Allen Edwards included below] I have a control line that adjusts the twist of a jib without moving the jib car. Of course, moving the car is the normal way of doing this. We use it when we are sailing off the wind. I have drawn a sketch of what it looks like. It is the blue line in the sketch. It goes to a winch but you could also get mechanical advantage through some blocks. I don't know what to call it. Here are some things I have considered and the problem with them: 1) Downhaul -- line that pulls down the tack, not the clew 2) Barberhauler -- line that pulls the clew outboard although sometimes used to describe an inhauler, which we also have. 3) Inhauler -- line that pulls the clew inboard. 4) Twing -- line that pulls the spinnaker pole down thus lowering the clew. 5) Fairlead -- the jib car. By the way, this is 10 times easier to adjust than a line that moves the jib car. Anyone know what the correct name would be for this line? Allen Attachment(s) from Allen Edwards 1 of 1 Photo(s) [http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/16485695/tn/532939133]<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/attachments/folder/506671899/item/532939133/view> downhaul_twing.png<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/attachments/folder/506671899/item/532939133/view>

Some sailors object to the term "Barberhauler" for a line ending with a block thru which a jib sheet passes if it hauls IN on the sheet. Barberhauler(term) was first used to define a control that hauled th jib sheet OUT to the rail as on a reach. In hauler is perhaps a better mterm but I first encountered Barberhaulers on Illiamna Cal 20 #315 on San Francisco Bay in 1972. They were used to pull the jib lead IN. I call them "Barberhaulers" now. I also use twings at times on Spinnaker sheets when singlehanding as it gives more control when needed. My Best, Mike From: "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 5:46:50 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] What is this line called Allen, I would call anything that pulls the jib sheet out or in or down (or up?) a Barberhauler. Not sure on that. One correction - the twinger pulls the spinnaker sheet down. The pole height is controlled separately. Downhaul needs a modifier such as "jib" (could also be a cunningham). I use the term downhaul for spin pole control as well. When things get hectic, I call everything "That!" or "The Green (insert desired color) One!". After all, colorful words are permitted in these situations. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 8:34 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] What is this line called [1 Attachment] I have a control line that adjusts the twist of a jib without moving the jib car. Of course, moving the car is the normal way of doing this. We use it when we are sailing off the wind. I have drawn a sketch of what it looks like. It is the blue line in the sketch. It goes to a winch but you could also get mechanical advantage through some blocks. I don't know what to call it. Here are some things I have considered and the problem with them: 1) Downhaul -- line that pulls down the tack, not the clew 2) Barberhauler -- line that pulls the clew outboard although sometimes used to describe an inhauler, which we also have. 3) Inhauler -- line that pulls the clew inboard. 4) Twing -- line that pulls the spinnaker pole down thus lowering the clew. 5) Fairlead -- the jib car. By the way, this is 10 times easier to adjust than a line that moves the jib car. Anyone know what the correct name would be for this line? Allen

I just read a site that distinguished between a Barber in hauler and a Barber out hauler. I have seen inhaulers called both inhaulers or Barberhaulers, this is the first I have seen a reference to a Barber out hauler. Since I also use a separate inhauler I was afraid that Barberhauler might be confusing as to which I was talking about just because some people, like Mike, call inhaulers Barberhaulers. But as I now see Barberhaulers are used to control the sail off the wind and that is what I am doing, so sounds good. Allen On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com > wrote: > > > Allen, I would call anything that pulls the jib sheet out or in or down (or > up?) a Barberhauler. Not sure on that. One correction - the twinger pulls > the spinnaker *sheet *down. The pole height is controlled separately. > > Downhaul needs a modifier such as "jib" (could also be a cunningham). I > use the term downhaul for spin pole control as well. > > When things get hectic, I call everything "That!" or "The Green (insert > desired color) One!". After all, colorful words are permitted in these > situations. > > Cheers > Charlie > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Allen Edwards > *Sent:* Friday, November 12, 2010 8:34 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] What is this line called [1 Attachment] > > I have a control line that adjusts the twist of a jib without moving the > jib car. Of course, moving the car is the normal way of doing this. We use > it when we are sailing off the wind. I have drawn a sketch of what it looks > like. It is the blue line in the sketch. It goes to a winch but you could > also get mechanical advantage through some blocks. > > I don't know what to call it. > > Here are some things I have considered and the problem with them: > > 1) Downhaul -- line that pulls down the tack, not the clew > 2) Barberhauler -- line that pulls the clew outboard although sometimes > used to describe an inhauler, which we also have. > 3) Inhauler -- line that pulls the clew inboard. > 4) Twing -- line that pulls the spinnaker pole down thus lowering the clew. > 5) Fairlead -- the jib car. > > By the way, this is 10 times easier to adjust than a line that moves the > jib car. > > Anyone know what the correct name would be for this line? > > Allen > > >

This is still an active question on Papoose. I have ruled out Barberhauler because we have an inhauler and that presents some ambiguity as was pointed out, people call inhaulers Barberhaulers now. Some people specifically object to calling a line that pulls down a Barberhauler and I could find no reference that used the term that way. The two active choices are: 1) Choker is used by Bill Gladstone as in: "If you carry a high clewed Reacher or Jib Top the exact lead position depends on the wind angle. Set the sheet lead well aft, and rig a choker to pull the sheet down. Adjust the choker so the sail luffs evenly from top to bottom. This arrangement is better than a fixed lead, as it allows easy adjustment as wind angle and wind speed change." I found no other references to this name but this is a pretty good reference so carries a lot of weight. 2) Twing is used in some web posts such as this one: http://pages.suddenlink.net/arlyn/sailing/extenders.html Again, if anyone knows someone who has an accepted name for such a control I am all ears. Allen --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@...> wrote: > > I just read a site that distinguished between a Barber in hauler and a > Barber out hauler. I have seen inhaulers called both inhaulers or > Barberhaulers, this is the first I have seen a reference to a Barber out > hauler. Since I also use a separate inhauler I was afraid that > Barberhauler might be confusing as to which I was talking about just > because some people, like Mike, call inhaulers Barberhaulers. But as I now > see Barberhaulers are used to control the sail off the wind and that is what > I am doing, so sounds good. > > Allen > > > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] <husar_charlie@... > > wrote: > > > > > > > Allen, I would call anything that pulls the jib sheet out or in or down (or > > up?) a Barberhauler. Not sure on that. One correction - the twinger pulls > > the spinnaker *sheet *down. The pole height is controlled separately. > > > > Downhaul needs a modifier such as "jib" (could also be a cunningham). I > > use the term downhaul for spin pole control as well. > > > > When things get hectic, I call everything "That!" or "The Green (insert > > desired color) One!". After all, colorful words are permitted in these > > situations. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > > Behalf Of *Allen Edwards > > *Sent:* Friday, November 12, 2010 8:34 PM > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] What is this line called [1 Attachment] > > > > I have a control line that adjusts the twist of a jib without moving the > > jib car. Of course, moving the car is the normal way of doing this. We use > > it when we are sailing off the wind. I have drawn a sketch of what it looks > > like. It is the blue line in the sketch. It goes to a winch but you could > > also get mechanical advantage through some blocks. > > > > I don't know what to call it. > > > > Here are some things I have considered and the problem with them: > > > > 1) Downhaul -- line that pulls down the tack, not the clew > > 2) Barberhauler -- line that pulls the clew outboard although sometimes > > used to describe an inhauler, which we also have. > > 3) Inhauler -- line that pulls the clew inboard. > > 4) Twing -- line that pulls the spinnaker pole down thus lowering the clew. > > 5) Fairlead -- the jib car. > > > > By the way, this is 10 times easier to adjust than a line that moves the > > jib car. > > > > Anyone know what the correct name would be for this line? > > > > Allen > > > > > > >