Powerboaters

In a message dated 12/7/2010 4:17:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, cc… [at] lsnm.org writes: You should have anchored and got on the VHF and asked a powerboater to go over and buy you a jug of diesel fuel. It gives them something useful to do. Wouldn't give them the pleasure, besides I'd probably get some smart ass asking me why don't I just sail over ;-) Paul

Many years ago I was leaving the Richmond YC (in SF Bay) in my 26' sailboat and saw a similar sized powerboat anchored in the channel, and one of the people aboard was waving a lit red flare. We diverted to see what was wrong, and they said they had lost their engine and got the anchor down just in time to keep from drifting onto the breakwater. We towed them back to the launching ramp at the public marina. Lots of sailors cheered, seeing a sailboat towing a powerboat. I wasn't familiar with the harbor. If I had been, I would've known we'd have a long beam reach before reaching the marina, and would've towed them under sail. They were very grateful. Between the time we saw them and the time we got to them, about a dozen powerboats passed right by them without offering help or even asking what was up. Probably didn't realize the waving red flare was a distress signal. George From: pw… [at] aol.com Sent: Tue 12/7/2010 1:53 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters In a message dated 12/7/2010 4:17:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, cc… [at] lsnm.org writes: You should have anchored and got on the VHF and asked a powerboater to go over and buy you a jug of diesel fuel. It gives them something useful to do. Wouldn't give them the pleasure, besides I'd probably get some smart ass asking me why don't I just sail over ;-) Paul

Powerboater sea stories - I was under power in the FL ICW in the very early AM when I saw a ski boat stuffed into the weeds, off the channel. The people waved me over, and asked for a tow back to the launch ramp. They had to sleep aboard overnight, and were now late for work. While towing, I asked the owner why he couldn't start the engine. He was out of fuel, was the reply. I asked why he didn't carry a spare container of fuel for just such a situation. He replied " I had a full tank of 50 gallons, that should be enough". Guess it was not apparent to him that once he burned all 50 gallons, his engine would not run. He had no anchor, no food, no water, and no brains aboard. Joe D On 12/7/2010 5:08 PM, Elwers, George A. wrote: > > > Many years ago I was leaving the Richmond YC (in SF Bay) in my 26' > sailboat and saw a similar sized powerboat anchored in the channel, > and one of the people aboard was waving a lit red flare. We diverted > to see what was wrong, and they said they had lost their engine and > got the anchor down just in time to keep from drifting onto the > breakwater. We towed them back to the launching ramp at the public > marina. Lots of sailors cheered, seeing a sailboat towing a powerboat. > I wasn't familiar with the harbor. If I had been, I would've known > we'd have a long beam reach before reaching the marina, and would've > towed them under sail. They were very grateful. > Between the time we saw them and the time we got to them, about a > dozen powerboats passed right by them without offering help or even > asking what was up. Probably didn't realize the waving red flare was a > distress signal. > George > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* pw… [at] aol.com > *Sent:* Tue 12/7/2010 1:53 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters > > In a message dated 12/7/2010 4:17:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cc… [at] lsnm.org writes: > > You should have anchored and got on the VHF and asked a > powerboater to go over and buy you a jug of diesel fuel. It gives > them something useful to do. > > Wouldn't give them the pleasure, besides I'd probably get some smart > ass asking me why don't I just sail over ;-) > Paul > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3302 - Release Date: 12/07/10 02:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

Thanks Joe; I really need a chuckle today. So true what you say in your last line. When I was in Cape May last spring, went out on a Sunday into the Atlantic. What a mistake. Got chased by a trawler who thought it was sport to see if he could snag a sailboat with his outriggers....and coming back in via the channel, well I just pulled over and waited for a lull while 50 to 60 power boaters just flew past me at full throttle. All baseball caps were on backwards, so you know the jersey crowd we are dealing with. here. There is lots if talent in charter fishing crowd in Jersey out of Cape May, but not the Sunday drivers. Wow....not that was fun....:) -- /ch

While motoring up the Calumet River this past spring, a powerboater comes abeam and asks "...which way is Lake Michigan ?..." I look into his 18'something I/O, no life jackets, VHF, compass, GPS, or brains. However, I'm sure they had sunscreen and beer in the cooler. His girl did have a nice bikini but no brains either (I'm guessing)... Sadly, I also have to admit there are some "sailors" who are equally adrift. You generally hear them on the radio in the spring and fall while navigating the rivers to/from the lake from/to the yards. They are requesting a bridge but are not sure which one they need because they do not know where they are. Surely, the ship and tug captains must think were all idiots... . - For more information about UL, its Marks, and its services for EMC, quality registrations and product certifications for global markets, please access our web sites at http://www.ul.com and http://www.ulc.ca or contact your local sales representative. -- ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. UL and its affiliates do not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments. *****************************************************************

On 12/7/2010 9:27 PM, chris123 wrote: > > .and coming back in via the channel, well I just pulled over and > waited for a lull while 50 to 60 power boaters just flew past me at > full throttle. All baseball caps were on backwards, so you know the > jersey crowd we are dealing with. here. > Where my other boat lives, the marinas and launch ramps are all in the Saginaw River, a large river carrying commercial traffic in a dredged channel. Most of the lower reaches of it have hardened banks--sheet piling, rip-rap, and other protection. As a result, wakes tend to bounce back & forth with the crests and troughs coinciding. The powerboats would fly along, creating massive wakes and really dangerous conditions when those wakes reinforced each other in phase. It was wild and really unnerving. Finally the various governmental units passed no-wake ordinances for most of the busy part of the river, which calms things down. I always know, however, that as I reach the mouth, I'll need to be prepared for mountainous wakes because the big powerboats will be halfway on plane. It's shallow there, and we are all confined in the dredged channel. Some are accelerating and some, witless souls, perceive that half speed is somehow more polite. Apparently they've never looked behind their vessels. And the fishermen, on the subject of witless. Here in the Great Lakes, there is a lot of trolling for walleye or salmon or trout, often using planer boards to keep the lines well to the sides of the boats. There's something like the attraction of a light bulb for night-flying insects going on. The fishermen are determined to power right across my bow when I'm sailing--even though they could make a very slight course change and cross my stern instead. And then they get all offended if their lines are disturbed. I have never figured this one out. Maybe they're afraid of wearing out the steering gear if they make a small course correction. Maybe they don't even think. Chris Campbell

Chris, Baseball caps are reversed because that way they will stay on when going fast. I learned that doing rc work. I have to travel the Calumet River twice a year, and I have learned to make the trip during the week, when most of the powerboaters are not on the river. I only have to deal with the pros, barges, salties. And one lock. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Wed, 12/8/10, Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: From: Chris <cc… [at] lsnm.org> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 8:22 AM On 12/7/2010 9:27 PM, chris123 wrote: .and coming back in via the channel, well I just pulled over and waited for a lull while 50 to 60 power boaters just flew past me at full throttle. All baseball caps were on backwards, so you know the jersey crowd we are dealing with. here. Where my other boat lives, the marinas and launch ramps are all in the Saginaw River, a large river carrying commercial traffic in a dredged channel. Most of the lower reaches of it have hardened banks--sheet piling, rip-rap, and other protection. As a result, wakes tend to bounce back & forth with the crests and troughs coinciding. The powerboats would fly along, creating massive wakes and really dangerous conditions when those wakes reinforced each other in phase. It was wild and really unnerving. Finally the various governmental units passed no-wake ordinances for most of the busy part of the river, which calms things down. I always know, however, that as I reach the mouth, I'll need to be prepared for mountainous wakes because the big powerboats will be halfway on plane. It's shallow there, and we are all confined in the dredged channel. Some are accelerating and some, witless souls, perceive that half speed is somehow more polite. Apparently they've never looked behind their vessels. And the fishermen, on the subject of witless. Here in the Great Lakes, there is a lot of trolling for walleye or salmon or trout, often using planer boards to keep the lines well to the sides of the boats. There's something like the attraction of a light bulb for night-flying insects going on. The fishermen are determined to power right across my bow when I'm sailing--even though they could make a very slight course change and cross my stern instead. And then they get all offended if their lines are disturbed. I have never figured this one out. Maybe they're afraid of wearing out the steering gear if they make a small course correction. Maybe they don't even think. Chris Campbell

Maybe its a cultural thing but in these parts, real boat owners dont wear baseball cap as you have no protection on the ears and neck which take a beating in the summer. Only the weekend crowd typically wears them. Most use them off their boats however. In Ontario we have now instituted "boating cards" which are being phased in in three parts. Last year they basically gave them away to get the ball rolling. You had to take a test at the show circuit. Not too hard, my friends entire family passed including his 5 year old. The next phase now currently in play is you take a course on line which is free and write the exam on line which costs you I think 35 dollars. Next year it will be a three week evening course, 90 bucks and you write a 3 hrs exam. The concept (driven by insurance companies) is to teach people the rules of the road and very hasic navigation and operating skills. There were simply to many deaths and claims from powerboats. Similarily in Ontario, infractions for alcohol are the same as for vehicles and fall under your drivers license and vehicle insurance plan. So if you get caught with improperly stored alcohol,(accessible while driving) or consumption (unless you meet the criteria) or blow over the limit, various levels of fines kick in and they all reflect on your auto policy. We are way over regulated up here. On the other hand we have access to unlimited health care which I would not trade for anything. So I guess its a trade off...btw health care is paid through your wages and employer contributions with federal gov't balancing out the funds to Provinces via equalization payments...to ensure the same level per province. But we all pay for it. Same for insurance on cars and boats. Hence we tend to limit our claims both on cars and boats as it gets silly after 2 tickets and or 1 accident. Typically a 100 percent increase for the next 6 years. Function of a small population and the need for insurance firms to remain profitable. Double edged sword. An example. Purchased in the States..... 78 CAL3-29 insured value 10K via BoatUS purchased in MD 150 bucks, replacement value 10K, all coastal and inland waters of the United States and Canada. If purchased in Canada from a Canadian firm, same boat variables 550 was the cheapest and travels are limited to the Great Lakes to Montreal and down the Hudson to the Tapenzee Bridge...after that you need to purchase "maritime offshore insurance" go figure....BoatUS was more then happy to sign up both the Cal 29 and 20 for less then 300 bucks per annum. Its a function of population. Small percentage of boaters in comparison to the States and a boat of any kind is very much seen as a luxury item whereas in the States a bass boat for example is just another toy...so what I got a bass boat....not here...hence double the price for a nice kit. Best /ch

I would take a 3 hour test to get free health insurance. My wife and I pay $2,000 a month. Mine deductible is $5000 a year so I don't think they have paid anything ever except the annual physical. She has an hmo so per visit deductible. Allen On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:01 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > Maybe its a cultural thing but in these parts, real boat owners dont wear > baseball cap as you have no protection on the ears and neck which take a > beating in the summer. Only the weekend crowd typically wears them. Most > use them off their boats however. > > In Ontario we have now instituted "boating cards" which are being phased in > in three parts. Last year they basically gave them away to get the ball > rolling. You had to take a test at the show circuit. Not too hard, my > friends entire family passed including his 5 year old. The next phase now > currently in play is you take a course on line which is free and write the > exam on line which costs you I think 35 dollars. Next year it will be a > three week evening course, 90 bucks and you write a 3 hrs exam. > > The concept (driven by insurance companies) is to teach people the rules of > the road and very hasic navigation and operating skills. There were simply > to many deaths and claims from powerboats. > > Similarily in Ontario, infractions for alcohol are the same as for vehicles > and fall under your drivers license and vehicle insurance plan. So if you > get caught with improperly stored alcohol,(accessible while driving) or > consumption (unless you meet the criteria) or blow over the limit, various > levels of fines kick in and they all reflect on your auto policy. > > We are way over regulated up here. On the other hand we have access to > unlimited health care which I would not trade for anything. So I guess its a > trade off...btw health care is paid through your wages and employer > contributions with federal gov't balancing out the funds to Provinces via > equalization payments...to ensure the same level per province. But we all > pay for it. Same for insurance on cars and boats. Hence we tend to limit our > claims both on cars and boats as it gets silly after 2 tickets and or 1 > accident. Typically a 100 percent increase for the next 6 years. Function of > a small population and the need for insurance firms to remain profitable. > Double edged sword. > > An example. > > Purchased in the States..... > 78 CAL3-29 insured value 10K via BoatUS purchased in MD 150 bucks, > replacement value 10K, all coastal and inland waters of the United States > and Canada. > > If purchased in Canada from a Canadian firm, same boat variables 550 was > the cheapest and travels are limited to the Great Lakes to Montreal and down > the Hudson to the Tapenzee Bridge...after that you need to purchase > "maritime offshore insurance" > > go figure....BoatUS was more then happy to sign up both the Cal 29 and 20 > for less then 300 bucks per annum. > > Its a function of population. Small percentage of boaters in comparison to > the States and a boat of any kind is very much seen as a luxury item whereas > in the States a bass boat for example is just another toy...so what I got a > bass boat....not here...hence double the price for a nice kit. > > Best > > /ch > > > > >

One reason we now have high tech cards to eliminate the fraud from border towns. Conversely, you want an MRI this week, go to Buffalo NY or any larger boarder town and shell out 3K and you have it this week not in three months for non emergency conditions. So there are drawbacks and advantages. Dont bother with emerg, typical waite is 3-5 hrs. The other big difference is that pharmaceuticals must be generic within 3 years...thats really a big savings. but we are getting way off topic now...so I will cease and desist. /ch

Chris, We wouldn't tolerate that. I had a back problem, was in extreme pain. After xrays, steriods, no help, back to the dr, an orthopedic surgeon, he wanted an mri, 3 days later I had the mri, another 3 days for followup, and resulting treatment followed. I am about 93% now, no surgery so far. Basically called spinal stenosis, with a compressed disc between L5 and S1. I'm going to dodge the surgery bullet as long as I can, but if we, my Dr and I, decide I need it at some point he will sign off and it gets done. It's called Medicare here. I lost seven weeks Oct/Nov with that. I compressed the verbage, but that's the basic story. Regards, Dave D. --- On Fri, 12/10/10, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters(Chris C.) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 10:06 PM One reason we now have high tech cards to eliminate the fraud from border towns. Conversely, you want an MRI this week, go to Buffalo NY or any larger boarder town and shell out 3K and you have it this week not in three months for non emergency conditions. So there are drawbacks and advantages. Dont bother with emerg, typical waite is 3-5 hrs. The other big difference is that pharmaceuticals must be generic within 3 years...thats really a big savings. but we are getting way off topic now...so I will cease and desist. /ch

Understand completely. My example was predicated on non emergency and priority cases as identified. My aunt had the same problem as you and had no choice but to go the operation route. I wish you good health and do what it takes to prolong_that_day as long as possible. Best of luck, good health and keep sailing. Regards /ch