Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie)

Charlie, true I seemed to be picking only on the powerboaters. But, I've found few sailors that know what whistle signals are for as well..... And I've probably had to make almost as many "panic tacks" to avoid clueless sailors as I have stinkpots. However, even then.......... I realize that sometimes tacking early (like WAY early!) is the best course of action, in other words I really never should have let them get so close before I "broke the rules" as the rules require, to avoid a collision despite my being the "stand-on" vessel. Most of these (I wish I could say ALL) close-calls were the result of too many skippers keeping a too casual lookout, being too involved in the social aspect of relaxing under sail. Let's all remember RULE # 5, that ALL vessels MUST maintain a proper lookout at ALL times. The same point that you make about closeness in a sailboat race could be said about highway driving, racers can ride a lot closer to each in complete trust (all are heading for the safe destination after all!) yet, such close following/passing would be obscenely dangerous on Rte 95! Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:22:13 -0500 "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com> writes: ? Now about the sail boaters. During a race, I have found I would rather be separated by 3 feet or lass from another racing boat (if I knew they know their stuff) than go out sailing on July 4 when every sailor seems to be out there. There are a lot of sailors who have no idea about any of this stuff as well. Yes, I am more careful with the power boats due to their speed and some factors that have been mentioned. In general, I assume that a strange boat has no idea what they are doing, and act accordingly, rules (sadly) be damned. I call it social awareness. Cheers, Anyway Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rj… [at] juno.com Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:41 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Allen) ? The only problem is that very few of the "boaters" out there are at all aware of what 5-short blasts even means! Three times last summer I signalled to an approaching stinkpot with 5-short blasts, and three times my signal was ignored!! One stinkpotter nearly ran me down in virtually open waters (he was an approx. 45' Matthews classic....... just kept steaming along after I panic tacked to avoid him!) One 34' Sea Ray insisted on overtaking me in a narrow channel by passing on my Starboard side, as I was assuming he would pass to Port since that was where deeper water was (his draft was about 3-4', mine is less than 3' on a run, and can sail off the wind in less than 12" is I have to....centerboard boats are GREAT!) and I was on a Port Tack with the boom swung out to Starboard. I gave him 5-shorts THREE TIMES!! and he still insisted on his errant course! The other incident was when another 34' Sea Ray overtook me at cruising speed on a windy day coming within about 20' of my port side (the windward side at the time) trying to cut between my boat and the green buoy we were passing. They had hundreds of feet of room to Starboard of me, which was also my Lee side...... but NO, they had to pass between me and the buoy! Tradition used to be that powerboats would pass a sailboat to leeward if possible, part of the reason was that if a gust of wind hits, the sailboat will often round up into the wind to spill the wind (and in a centerboard boat, avoid capsize!), and I for one would rather make my turn AWAY from an overtaking boat that towards that boat. I have long ago lost count of how many times I have heard 5 or more short blasts and looked around for what was wrong, only to see 2 powerboaters greeting each other. Whistle signals in general are rarely if ever used by today's powerboaters, how many times have we heard a boat signal 2-blasts (I am altering my course to port) only to see them continue in a straight ahead course (or sometimes turn to starboard?). The last time you were out in fog...... how many of us heard other vessels sounding the proper sound signals?? I know that the last time I was out in Fog, I only heard one vessel sounding fog signals....... ME! That was the day that my Dad and I were definitely glad to be heading in (and were now out of the fog) when we saw a "go-fast" heading out and into the fog at cruising speed! Commercial Skippers still use the whistle signals, but many take advantage of the allowed use of the VHF to establish meeting signals, perhaps a better idea anyway since it directs the "signal" to the other vessel better and perhaps clearer. OK, I've calmed down again...<GRIN!> Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (27) Recent Activity: New Members 4 New Photos 40 New Links 1 Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest � Unsubscribe � Terms of Use. Scholarships for Moms Grant Funding May Be Available to Those Who Qualify! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d030e67cab2a693413st02duc

Rod, you're right. I did think about cars when I was composing my note. The car equivalents to July 4 boating might be Sunday morning when folks who don't drive all week come out, or in an extreme case, New Year's Eve. Frostbite racing weather looks windy and rainy for tomorrow. Last day of the first half. If anyone wants to crew, I guess we can arrange some quick airline tickets. :- ] Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rj… [at] juno.com Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:38 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie)  Charlie, true I seemed to be picking only on the powerboaters. But, I've found few sailors that know what whistle signals are for as well..... And I've probably had to make almost as many "panic tacks" to avoid clueless sailors as I have stinkpots. However, even then.......... I realize that sometimes tacking early (like WAY early!) is the best course of action, in other words I really never should have let them get so close before I "broke the rules" as the rules require, to avoid a collision despite my being the "stand-on" vessel. Most of these (I wish I could say ALL) close-calls were the result of too many skippers keeping a too casual lookout, being too involved in the social aspect of relaxing under sail. Let's all remember RULE # 5, that ALL vessels MUST maintain a proper lookout at ALL times. The same point that you make about closeness in a sailboat race could be said about highway driving, racers can ride a lot closer to each in complete trust (all are heading for the safe destination after all!) yet, such close following/passing would be obscenely dangerous on Rte 95! Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:22:13 -0500 "Husar, Charlie [USA]" <hu… [at] bah.com<mailto:hu… [at] bah.com>> writes:  Now about the sail boaters. During a race, I have found I would rather be separated by 3 feet or lass from another racing boat (if I knew they know their stuff) than go out sailing on July 4 when every sailor seems to be out there. There are a lot of sailors who have no idea about any of this stuff as well. Yes, I am more careful with the power boats due to their speed and some factors that have been mentioned. In general, I assume that a strange boat has no idea what they are doing, and act accordingly, rules (sadly) be damned. I call it social awareness. Cheers, Anyway Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rj… [at] juno.com Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:41 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Allen)  The only problem is that very few of the "boaters" out there are at all aware of what 5-short blasts even means! Three times last summer I signalled to an approaching stinkpot with 5-short blasts, and three times my signal was ignored!! One stinkpotter nearly ran me down in virtually open waters (he was an approx. 45' Matthews classic....... just kept steaming along after I panic tacked to avoid him!) One 34' Sea Ray insisted on overtaking me in a narrow channel by passing on my Starboard side, as I was assuming he would pass to Port since that was where deeper water was (his draft was about 3-4', mine is less than 3' on a run, and can sail off the wind in less than 12" is I have to....centerboard boats are GREAT!) and I was on a Port Tack with the boom swung out to Starboard. I gave him 5-shorts THREE TIMES!! and he still insisted on his errant course! The other incident was when another 34' Sea Ray overtook me at cruising speed on a windy day coming within about 20' of my port side (the windward side at the time) trying to cut between my boat and the green buoy we were passing. They had hundreds of feet of room to Starboard of me, which was also my Lee side...... but NO, they had to pass between me and the buoy! Tradition used to be that powerboats would pass a sailboat to leeward if possible, part of the reason was that if a gust of wind hits, the sailboat will often round up into the wind to spill the wind (and in a centerboard boat, avoid capsize!), and I for one would rather make my turn AWAY from an overtaking boat that towards that boat. I have long ago lost count of how many times I have heard 5 or more short blasts and looked around for what was wrong, only to see 2 powerboaters greeting each other. Whistle signals in general are rarely if ever used by today's powerboaters, how many times have we heard a boat signal 2-blasts (I am altering my course to port) only to see them continue in a straight ahead course (or sometimes turn to starboard?). The last time you were out in fog...... how many of us heard other vessels sounding the proper sound signals?? I know that the last time I was out in Fog, I only heard one vessel sounding fog signals....... ME! That was the day that my Dad and I were definitely glad to be heading in (and were now out of the fog) when we saw a "go-fast" heading out and into the fog at cruising speed! Commercial Skippers still use the whistle signals, but many take advantage of the allowed use of the VHF to establish meeting signals, perhaps a better idea anyway since it directs the "signal" to the other vessel better and perhaps clearer. 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On 12/11/2010 12:37 AM, rj… [at] juno.com wrote: > >  > > Charlie, true I seemed to be picking only on the powerboaters. But, > I've found few sailors that know what whistle signals are for as > well..... And I've probably had to make almost as many "panic tacks" > to avoid clueless sailors as I have stinkpots. My experience is otherwise. Where I live, people thinking about boats are intimidated by sailboats, but they know lots of people with little knowledge who own powerboats. The real novices almost always hop into a powerboat, turn the key, and roar off. It's like driving a car--gauges, steering wheel on a dashboard, engine. There's a sort of self-selection. It's not a universal rule, but one that's generally accurate. Chris Campbell

I once ran into a few folks who were getting ready to hop back into their power boat to leave a restaurant. they did not know where they were so were asking directions. As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:06 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) On 12/11/2010 12:37 AM, rj… [at] juno.com<mailto:rj… [at] juno.com> wrote:  Charlie, true I seemed to be picking only on the powerboaters. But, I've found few sailors that know what whistle signals are for as well..... And I've probably had to make almost as many "panic tacks" to avoid clueless sailors as I have stinkpots. My experience is otherwise. Where I live, people thinking about boats are intimidated by sailboats, but they know lots of people with little knowledge who own powerboats. The real novices almost always hop into a powerboat, turn the key, and roar off. It's like driving a car--gauges, steering wheel on a dashboard, engine. There's a sort of self-selection. It's not a universal rule, but one that's generally accurate. Chris Campbell

I was motoring down Okisollo channel in a light fog in the Desolation Sound area inside Vancouver Island many years ago. I hear a powerboat at speed coming the other way. Once he spotted us he slowed and came up to us. He first asked where a gas station was, then handed up his laminated place mat from a restaurent and asked where he was. Just as he was getting ready to leave he asked which way he had been going in the channel. http://maps.google.ca/?q=,+Campbell+River,+British+Columbia,+,+CA&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Campbell+River,+Comox-Strathcona+Regional+District,+British+Columbia&ll=50.305569,-125.270233&spn=0.180685,0.669479&z=11 John --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 6:24 PM  I once ran into a few folks who were getting ready to hop back into their power boat to leave a restaurant. they did not know where they were so were asking directions. As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). Cheers Charlie

One of the amusing stories my Dad used to tell is really as much about powerboaters drunkeness, as about their stupidity, maybe both. In the 80's and early 90's my parents lived in a house on the water near the entrance to Gig Harbor, here in Puget Sound. Across this very small bay is the Tides Tavern, a notable watering hole for boaters. At the mouth of the bay, which their house looked down on. was a gently sloping sandspit sticking out next to the small harbor entrance. Local boaters can picture this setting I am sure, because most have likely quaffed a pint or two at the Tides. More than once, on a late warm summer night, when they had their windows open, they would hear an engine start up and rev. As the boat got underway they would hear the sound of an engine getting up to speed as the boat got up on a plane. About 10-15 seconds later the engine noise would abruptly stop, followed by the sounds of cursing. My Dad would get up and look out and make sure that no one was seriously hurt before returning to bed. A summer day on the deck of the Tides Tavern can also be a source of great amusement as one watches boaters of varying degrees of skill cope with a combination of their blood alcohol level, a reasonably good current, and occasional breeze as they try to moor or depart. I have made it a practice to tie up at the public dock a quarter mile down the shore and walk to the Tides in order to protect my boat. I am enjoying this thread, but realize that I have made enough of my own stupid and embarrassing errors to fill several emails. Thankfully, nothing has ever been injured beyond my pride. Enjoy, Terry Spencer Cal 2-29 Capriccio Tacoma

At least, in this case, the place mat was laminated. I see this as progress. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Courter Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 11:55 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) I was motoring down Okisollo channel in a light fog in the Desolation Sound area inside Vancouver Island many years ago. I hear a powerboat at speed coming the other way. Once he spotted us he slowed and came up to us. He first asked where a gas station was, then handed up his laminated place mat from a restaurent and asked where he was. Just as he was getting ready to leave he asked which way he had been going in the channel. http://maps.google.ca/?q=,+Campbell+River,+British+Columbia,+,+CA&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Campbell+River,+Comox-Strathcona+Regional+District,+British+Columbia&ll=50.305569,-125.270233&spn=0.180685,0.669479&z=11 John --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 6:24 PM  I once ran into a few folks who were getting ready to hop back into their power boat to leave a restaurant. they did not know where they were so were asking directions. As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). Cheers Charlie

On 12/11/2010 12:37 AM, rj… [at] juno.com wrote: > Most of these (I wish I could say ALL) close-calls were the result of > too many skippers keeping a too casual lookout, being too involved in > the social aspect of relaxing under sail. Let's all remember RULE # 5, > that ALL vessels MUST maintain a proper lookout at ALL times. My Dad was always peeking under or around the genoa, just in case. It took a few close calls, when boats suddenly jumped out from behind the sail, for me to learn the lesson. Chris Campbell >

The club I belong to is located on the Upper Niagara River power boaters have asked our club members how to get to Lake Ontario. The short answer is three miles straight ahead, 180 ft down then turn right (if you are still alive) Every year at least one power boater has to be removed from their boat within feet of the brink of the falls. The plume from the falls can be seen 30 miles away. We've never lost a sailor. John B Cal 2-27 #650 _____

On 12/11/2010 9:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > >  > > . As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a > rather cute hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little > star where the restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the > battery goes dead). GPS will cure stupidity? Chris Campbell >

Chris, if there is a map on the GPS and they use it. At least they will know where they are, but maybe not learn how to properly get somewhere else without incident (things like "the pigs" in Lake Champlain). Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) On 12/11/2010 9:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote:  . As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). GPS will cure stupidity? Chris Campbell

Charlie, I had an experience early in my sailing career, was assisted by a powerboater. It's a long story that I might tell someday after enough Bushmills. They're not all bad. Regards, Dave D. --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 4:04 PM  Chris, if there is a map on the GPS and they use it. At least they will know where they are, but maybe not learn how to properly get somewhere else without incident (things like "the pigs" in Lake Champlain). Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) On 12/11/2010 9:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote:  . As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). GPS will cure stupidity? Chris Campbell

Dave, I'll fax you some Bushmill's. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:32 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) Charlie, I had an experience early in my sailing career, was assisted by a powerboater. It's a long story that I might tell someday after enough Bushmills. They're not all bad. Regards, Dave D. --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 4:04 PM  Chris, if there is a map on the GPS and they use it. At least they will know where they are, but maybe not learn how to properly get somewhere else without incident (things like "the pigs" in Lake Champlain). Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) On 12/11/2010 9:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote:  . As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). GPS will cure stupidity? Chris Campbell

John, Did you notice whether the place mat mat showed where the treasure was buried? All kidding aside, back in '73 after I finished grad school my roomate and I did a two week van tour up the coast from San Francisco on Rte 1, taking the ferry from Port Arthur to Victoria, BC, and back down via I-5. Leaving Vancouver Island for Vancouver B.C. my recollection is that the ferry traversed some pretty treacherous looking passages, particularly if you were lost in fog, had a bogus chart, didn't know how to use a compass, or a GPS and were traveling at a high rate of speed. Shhheeesssee! And that water ain't so warm if you fall overboard, is it? Jerry --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories (John) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 3:43 AM  At least, in this case, the place mat was laminated. I see this as progress. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Courter Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 11:55 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) I was motoring down Okisollo channel in a light fog in the Desolation Sound area inside Vancouver Island many years ago. I hear a powerboat at speed coming the other way. Once he spotted us he slowed and came up to us. He first asked where a gas station was, then handed up his laminated place mat from a restaurent and asked where he was. Just as he was getting ready to leave he asked which way he had been going in the channel. http://maps.google.ca/?q=,+Campbell+River,+British+Columbia,+,+CA&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Campbell+River,+Comox-Strathcona+Regional+District,+British+Columbia&ll=50.305569,-125.270233&spn=0.180685,0.669479&z=11 John --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 6:24 PM  I once ran into a few folks who were getting ready to hop back into their power boat to leave a restaurant. they did not know where they were so were asking directions. As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). Cheers Charlie

Mates, I agree. Powerboats come in handy when the wind dies, you have no auxiliary, the day is late, and your some distance from your dock. I Wiki'd Bushmills, interesting story, it was used to fortify the troops in battle against the Irish, and first got it's license to distill from the Crown nearly 800 years ago. I wonder if someone's stashed away some of that original stock, which they state is aged in American Oak barrels...which only goes to prove that Columbus was a late comer to the New World.? Ok, maybe they faxed those barrels back to the British Isles, back then, too? Jerry --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 2:41 PM  Dave, I'll fax you some Bushmill's. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:32 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) Charlie, I had an experience early in my sailing career, was assisted by a powerboater. It's a long story that I might tell someday after enough Bushmills. They're not all bad. Regards, Dave D. --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 4:04 PM  Chris, if there is a map on the GPS and they use it. At least they will know where they are, but maybe not learn how to properly get somewhere else without incident (things like "the pigs" in Lake Champlain). Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) On 12/11/2010 9:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote:  . As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). GPS will cure stupidity? Chris Campbell

On 12/14/2010 3:40 AM, Gerald Sobel wrote: > > John, > Did you notice whether the place mat mat showed where the treasure was > buried? > Pausing to reflect, I recall that when I chartered in the BVI long ago (1983 +/-), the navigational chart the charter company gave us was a laminated placemat. I've still got it. Of course, the great virtue of sailing in the VI is that it's line-of-sight, untroubled by fog. All you need to know is where the major hazards lie. Chris Campbell > > > >

Jerry, I'm actually somewhat ashamed I like Bushmills, it's made in "The North". I should be drinking Jameson's, made in Dublin, but Bushmills is better. The Irish have a name for whiskey, which they invented, which translates as "Water of Life". I couldn't have said it better. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:05 AM Mates, I agree. Powerboats come in handy when the wind dies, you have no auxiliary, the day is late, and your some distance from your dock. I Wiki'd Bushmills, interesting story, it was used to fortify the troops in battle against the Irish, and first got it's license to distill from the Crown nearly 800 years ago. I wonder if someone's stashed away some of that original stock, which they state is aged in American Oak barrels...which only goes to prove that Columbus was a late comer to the New World.? Ok, maybe they faxed those barrels back to the British Isles, back then, too? Jerry --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 2:41 PM  Dave, I'll fax you some Bushmill's. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:32 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) Charlie, I had an experience early in my sailing career, was assisted by a powerboater. It's a long story that I might tell someday after enough Bushmills. They're not all bad. Regards, Dave D. --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 4:04 PM  Chris, if there is a map on the GPS and they use it. At least they will know where they are, but maybe not learn how to properly get somewhere else without incident (things like "the pigs" in Lake Champlain). Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) On 12/11/2010 9:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote:  . As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). GPS will cure stupidity? Chris Campbell

The Swedes, Danes and Norwegians have been drinking the water of life since the 1500's, actually named Aquavit or Akvavit. There is a particular one in Norway that has to be carried on boats in oak barrels twice across the equator (linge) to develop its proper flavor. They tested a process on site to determine if it was true and it didn't compare to the actual process, which apparently gets more of the oak flavor due to weather and climate differences during the boat ride. It has 40% alcohol, and as a Scandinavian descendant, I can say it tastes just like grain alcohol. Yuk. However, maybe the water of life went over to Ireland with the redheads. Bushmills tastes better, making it easy to forget the other guys water of life. On other boating activities, we have had some nice lighted boat parades here in the SF and Monterey Bay areas, the weather was pretty nice the nights they were held. As they put most of the easterly and northerly boats away for the winter, do they do lighted boat parades at all? Helen >

Dear Dave, I concur. Dublin was a city often raided by the Vikings. I believe that Bushmills is smoother and Irish Coffee is absolutely best with B and not Jameson's My Grandmother Delia Alice Lynskey came from Co. Mayo on the West coast and supported the Shinn Fein. I insist the my mistrust of authority came from her and has passed to my daughter Delia Lin. Lynskey is Gaelic for "boatman" so it comes in the genes. Tim Severenson sailed a leather boat to America from Eire to support the claim that Irish monks reached North America before Leif Ericson. Wrote a book, The Brendan Voyage about it. My Best, Mike From: david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 10:08:13 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Bushmills(Jerry/Charlie) Jerry, I'm actually somewhat ashamed I like Bushmills, it's made in "The North". I should be drinking Jameson's, made in Dublin, but Bushmills is better. The Irish have a name for whiskey, which they invented, which translates as "Water of Life". I couldn't have said it better. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:05 AM > > > >Mates, >I agree. Powerboats come in handy when the wind dies, you have no auxiliary, the >day is late, and your some distance from your dock. >I Wiki'd Bushmills, interesting story, it was used to fortify the troops in >battle against the Irish, and first got it's license to distill from the Crown >nearly 800 years ago. I wonder if someone's stashed away some of that original >stock, which they state is aged in American Oak barrels...which only goes to >prove that Columbus was a late comer to the New World.? Ok, maybe they faxed >those barrels back to the British Isles, back then, too? >Jerry > >--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > > >>From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> >>Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) >>To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 2:41 PM >> >> >> >> >>Dave, I'll fax you some Bushmill's. >> >>Cheers >>Charlie >> >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs >>Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:32 PM >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) >> >> >>Charlie, >>I had an experience early in my sailing career, was assisted by a powerboater. >>It's a long story that I might tell someday after enough Bushmills. They're not >>all bad. >>Regards, >>Dave D. >> >>--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: >> >> >>>From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> >>>Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) >>>To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>>Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 4:04 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Chris, if there is a map on the GPS and they use it. At least they will know >>>where they are, but maybe not learn how to properly get somewhere else without >>>incident (things like "the pigs" in Lake Champlain). >>> >>>Cheers >>>Charlie >>> >>> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris >>>Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:38 PM >>>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) >>> >>>On 12/11/2010 9:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>. As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute >>>>hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the >>>>restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). >>GPS will cure stupidity? >> >>Chris Campbell >> >> >>> > >>

That is really good stuff, So is Older Geneva, I can attest to the potency of aquavit but its a lot better with pickled herring and all the other trimming the Scandinavians chow down on. You never drink stuff over there without food. Smoked Eal is my favorite next to fish roe paste. Yum, especially when your being fed by a pretty Dane....but that's a different story. Wrt to boat parades....well not a consideration where i am. Currently under a record snowfall of almost 2 meters by the end of the day today. 320 people were stranded on one of the major highways leading to the States the last few days. Took the army 24 hrs to get them out....real fun. Starting to think that I'm cursed. The last two winters in two different locals were record snow storms. Shoot, time to get me butt down to the Keys once and for all. -- /ch

That interesting. What were they trying to do? It a long way to go for simple conversions, so there must have been another reason. A lot of the ancient manuscripts were preserved by the Irish and jumpstarted europe after the dark ages. I like this kind of stuff. Any ideas? >Tim Severenson sailed a leather boat to America from Eire to support the claim that Irish >monks reached North America before Leif Ericson. Wrote a book, The Brendan Voyage >about it. > My Best, Mike > -- /ch

We used to have a regatta in town called the St. Brendan Cup. Special award went to the best navigator (however we might decide how to evaluate that). We tried to set screwy courses. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike farrell Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 5:40 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Bushmills(Jerry/Charlie) Dear Dave, I concur. Dublin was a city often raided by the Vikings. I believe that Bushmills is smoother and Irish Coffee is absolutely best with B and not Jameson's My Grandmother Delia Alice Lynskey came from Co. Mayo on the West coast and supported the Shinn Fein. I insist the my mistrust of authority came from her and has passed to my daughter Delia Lin. Lynskey is Gaelic for "boatman" so it comes in the genes. Tim Severenson sailed a leather boat to America from Eire to support the claim that Irish monks reached North America before Leif Ericson. Wrote a book, The Brendan Voyage about it. My Best, Mike From: david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 10:08:13 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Bushmills(Jerry/Charlie) Jerry, I'm actually somewhat ashamed I like Bushmills, it's made in "The North". I should be drinking Jameson's, made in Dublin, but Bushmills is better. The Irish have a name for whiskey, which they invented, which translates as "Water of Life". I couldn't have said it better. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:05 AM Mates, I agree. Powerboats come in handy when the wind dies, you have no auxiliary, the day is late, and your some distance from your dock. I Wiki'd Bushmills, interesting story, it was used to fortify the troops in battle against the Irish, and first got it's license to distill from the Crown nearly 800 years ago. I wonder if someone's stashed away some of that original stock, which they state is aged in American Oak barrels...which only goes to prove that Columbus was a late comer to the New World.? Ok, maybe they faxed those barrels back to the British Isles, back then, too? Jerry --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 2:41 PM  Dave, I'll fax you some Bushmill's. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:32 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) Charlie, I had an experience early in my sailing career, was assisted by a powerboater. It's a long story that I might tell someday after enough Bushmills. They're not all bad. Regards, Dave D. --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 4:04 PM  Chris, if there is a map on the GPS and they use it. At least they will know where they are, but maybe not learn how to properly get somewhere else without incident (things like "the pigs" in Lake Champlain). Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) On 12/11/2010 9:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote:  . As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). GPS will cure stupidity? Chris Campbell

I have heard that Jameson’s was Catholic and Bushmills was Protestant. So a few years ago there was a convention of Canadian Episcopal priests in Orlando and they were pretty much taking all of the available seats at the airport bar, I couldn’t help noticing that they were all drinking Jameson’s. I thought to myself, “Oh God, it’s an ecumenical scandal”. I asked one of the priests about it and he said that when it comes to Irish whiskey, that God is indiscriminate and drinks ‘em all. Personally, I find them both irresistible but my very favorites are Michael Collins, Tyrconnell and Knappogue. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:08 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Bushmills(Jerry/Charlie) Jerry, I'm actually somewhat ashamed I like Bushmills, it's made in "The North". I should be drinking Jameson's, made in Dublin, but Bushmills is better. The Irish have a name for whiskey, which they invented, which translates as "Water of Life". I couldn't have said it better. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:05 AM Mates, I agree. Powerboats come in handy when the wind dies, you have no auxiliary, the day is late, and your some distance from your dock. I Wiki'd Bushmills, interesting story, it was used to fortify the troops in battle against the Irish, and first got it's license to distill from the Crown nearly 800 years ago. I wonder if someone's stashed away some of that original stock, which they state is aged in American Oak barrels...which only goes to prove that Columbus was a late comer to the New World.? Ok, maybe they faxed those barrels back to the British Isles, back then, too? Jerry --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 2:41 PM  Dave, I'll fax you some Bushmill's. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:32 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) Charlie, I had an experience early in my sailing career, was assisted by a powerboater. It's a long story that I might tell someday after enough Bushmills. They're not all bad. Regards, Dave D. --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 4:04 PM  Chris, if there is a map on the GPS and they use it. At least they will know where they are, but maybe not learn how to properly get somewhere else without incident (things like "the pigs" in Lake Champlain). Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) On 12/11/2010 9:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote:  . As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). GPS will cure stupidity? Chris Campbell

to see if the snow will follow? after lots of traveling, I like the mild weather in southern cal but live near Sf, which is still mild compared to what happens out there. my brother lives in Wisconsin and loves it, but he was a bit concerned about that storm that was promising the snow you now have. we're going to travel out his way in May and look around at all the lake sailing, or lakes anyway, and then on to the big harbors of the east and try not to buy another boat while we are looking. my only east coast water experience was Cape May, Stone Harbor NJ back in '69 the week after Labor Day when everything was packing away for the winter. HH From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 4:47:39 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Bushmills, Akvavit, and lighted boat parades That is really good stuff, So is Older Geneva, I can attest to the potency of aquavit but its a lot better with pickled herring and all the other trimming the Scandinavians chow down on. You never drink stuff over there without food. Smoked Eal is my favorite next to fish roe paste. Yum, especially when your being fed by a pretty Dane....but that's a different story. Wrt to boat parades....well not a consideration where i am. Currently under a record snowfall of almost 2 meters by the end of the day today. 320 people were stranded on one of the major highways leading to the States the last few days. Took the army 24 hrs to get them out....real fun. Starting to think that I'm cursed. The last two winters in two different locals were record snow storms. Shoot, time to get me butt down to the Keys once and for all. -- /ch

If it snow's in Marathon, the 29 will be up for sale...:) /ch On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > to see if the snow will follow? >

Mike, I read it, a great book. Dave --- On Wed, 12/15/10, mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: mike farrell <ve… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Bushmills(Jerry/Charlie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 4:39 AM Dear Dave, I concur. Dublin was a city often raided by the Vikings. I believe that Bushmills is smoother and Irish Coffee is absolutely best with B and not Jameson's My Grandmother Delia Alice Lynskey came from Co. Mayo on the West coast and supported the Shinn Fein. I insist the my mistrust of authority came from her and has passed to my daughter Delia Lin. Lynskey is Gaelic for "boatman" so it comes in the genes. Tim Severenson sailed a leather boat to America from Eire to support the claim that Irish monks reached North America before Leif Ericson. Wrote a book, The Brendan Voyage about it. My Best, Mike From: david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 10:08:13 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Bushmills(Jerry/Charlie) Jerry, I'm actually somewhat ashamed I like Bushmills, it's made in "The North". I should be drinking Jameson's, made in Dublin, but Bushmills is better. The Irish have a name for whiskey, which they invented, which translates as "Water of Life". I couldn't have said it better. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:05 AM Mates, I agree. Powerboats come in handy when the wind dies, you have no auxiliary, the day is late, and your some distance from your dock. I Wiki'd Bushmills, interesting story, it was used to fortify the troops in battle against the Irish, and first got it's license to distill from the Crown nearly 800 years ago. I wonder if someone's stashed away some of that original stock, which they state is aged in American Oak barrels...which only goes to prove that Columbus was a late comer to the New World.? Ok, maybe they faxed those barrels back to the British Isles, back then, too? Jerry --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 2:41 PM  Dave, I'll fax you some Bushmill's. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:32 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) Charlie, I had an experience early in my sailing career, was assisted by a powerboater. It's a long story that I might tell someday after enough Bushmills. They're not all bad. Regards, Dave D. --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 4:04 PM  Chris, if there is a map on the GPS and they use it. At least they will know where they are, but maybe not learn how to properly get somewhere else without incident (things like "the pigs" in Lake Champlain). Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) On 12/11/2010 9:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote:  . As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). GPS will cure stupidity? Chris Campbell

Chris, There's an interesting book titled "How the Irish Saved Civilization" by Thomas Cahill. It's very readable. I liked it. Dave --- On Wed, 12/15/10, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Bushmills(Jerry/Charlie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 7:01 AM That interesting. What were they trying to do? It a long way to go for simple conversions, so there must have been another reason. A lot of the ancient manuscripts were preserved by the Irish and jumpstarted europe after the dark ages. I like this kind of stuff. Any ideas? >Tim Severenson sailed a leather boat to America from Eire to support the claim that Irish >monks reached North America before Leif Ericson. Wrote a book, The Brendan Voyage >about it.

Interesting. Just picked up a Kobo ereader too. Sailing content, its really neat what you can load on these things in pdf format or use an app to convert to ebub which is the defaiult format. Also reads a ton of image formats, so for example you can study a harbour entrance for example. ts nice to transcribe the ships logs to pdf>ebub> and then have a good read at leisure. Lots of good sailing books are available as well some at no cost like the US Pilot series etc. All good reading. Thanks for the tip. Much appreciated. /ch On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:03 PM, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Chris, > There's an interesting book titled "How the Irish Saved Civilization" by > Thomas Cahill. It's very readable. I liked it. > Dave > >

Chris, There's an interesting book titled "How the Irish Saved Civilization" by Thomas Cahill. It's very readable. I liked it. Dave --- On Wed, 12/15/10, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Bushmills(Jerry/Charlie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 7:01 AM That interesting. What were they trying to do? It a long way to go for simple conversions, so there must have been another reason. A lot of the ancient manuscripts were preserved by the Irish and jumpstarted europe after the dark ages. I like this kind of stuff. Any ideas? >Tim Severenson sailed a leather boat to America from Eire to support the claim that Irish >monks reached North America before Leif Ericson. Wrote a book, The Brendan Voyage >about it. My Best, Mike -- /ch

Wyatt, You got me, my real favorite is The Tyrconnell. I only pull that out for special occasions, and favored guests. That's not just drinking whiskey. Regards, Dave D --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Wyatt Hendricks <wh… [at] avtechmed.com> wrote: From: Wyatt Hendricks <wh… [at] avtechmed.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Bushmills(Jerry/Charlie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 11:10 AM I have heard that Jameson’s was Catholic and Bushmills was Protestant. So a few years ago there was a convention of Canadian Episcopal priests in Orlando and they were pretty much taking all of the available seats at the airport bar, I couldn’t help noticing that they were all drinking Jameson’s. I thought to myself, “Oh God, it’s an ecumenical scandal”. I asked one of the priests about it and he said that when it comes to Irish whiskey, that God is indiscriminate and drinks ‘em all. Personally, I find them both irresistible but my very favorites are Michael Collins, Tyrconnell and Knappogue. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:08 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Bushmills(Jerry/Charlie) Jerry, I'm actually somewhat ashamed I like Bushmills, it's made in "The North". I should be drinking Jameson's, made in Dublin , but Bushmills is better. The Irish have a name for whiskey, which they invented, which translates as "Water of Life". I couldn't have said it better. Regards, David Dobbs --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:05 AM Mates, I agree. Powerboats come in handy when the wind dies, you have no auxiliary, the day is late, and your some distance from your dock. I Wiki'd Bushmills, interesting story, it was used to fortify the troops in battle against the Irish, and first got it's license to distill from the Crown nearly 800 years ago. I wonder if someone's stashed away some of that original stock, which they state is aged in American Oak barrels...which only goes to prove that Columbus was a late comer to the New World.? Ok, maybe they faxed those barrels back to the British Isles , back then, too? Jerry --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [ USA ] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [ USA ] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: " Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com " < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 2:41 PM  Dave, I'll fax you some Bushmill's. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:32 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) Charlie, I had an experience early in my sailing career, was assisted by a powerboater. It's a long story that I might tell someday after enough Bushmills. They're not all bad. Regards, Dave D. --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [ USA ] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [ USA ] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) To: " Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com " < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 4:04 PM  Chris, if there is a map on the GPS and they use it. At least they will know where they are, but maybe not learn how to properly get somewhere else without incident (things like "the pigs" in Lake Champlain ). Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:38 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) On 12/11/2010 9:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [ USA ] wrote:  . As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). GPS will cure stupidity? Chris Campbell

I will try it! My best, Mike From: david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 5:00:25 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Bushmills(Jerry/Charlie/Wyatt) Wyatt, You got me, my real favorite is The Tyrconnell. I only pull that out for special occasions, and favored guests. That's not just drinking whiskey. Regards, Dave D --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Wyatt Hendricks <wh… [at] avtechmed.com> wrote: >From: Wyatt Hendricks <wh… [at] avtechmed.com> >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Bushmills(Jerry/Charlie) >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 11:10 AM > > > >I have heard that Jameson’s was Catholic and Bushmills was Protestant. > >So a few years ago there was a convention of Canadian Episcopal priests in >Orlando and they were pretty much taking all of the available seats at the >airport bar, I couldn’t help noticing that they were all drinking Jameson’s. > >I thought to myself, “Oh God, it’s an ecumenical scandal”. > >I asked one of the priests about it and he said that when it comes to Irish >whiskey, that God is indiscriminate and drinks ‘em all. > > > >Personally, I find them both irresistible but my very favorites are Michael >Collins, Tyrconnell and Knappogue. > > > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of >david dobbs >Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:08 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Bushmills(Jerry/Charlie) > > > >Jerry, >I'm actually somewhat ashamed I like Bushmills, it's made in "The North". I >should be drinking Jameson's, made in Dublin , but Bushmills is better. The >Irish have a name for whiskey, which they invented, which translates as "Water >of Life". I couldn't have said it better. >Regards, >David Dobbs > >--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >>From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> >>Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:05 AM >> >>Mates, >>I agree. Powerboats come in handy when the wind dies, you have no auxiliary, the >>day is late, and your some distance from your dock. >>I Wiki'd Bushmills, interesting story, it was used to fortify the troops in >>battle against the Irish, and first got it's license to distill from the Crown >>nearly 800 years ago. I wonder if someone's stashed away some of that original >>stock, which they state is aged in American Oak barrels...which only goes to >>prove that Columbus was a late comer to the New World.? Ok, maybe they faxed >>those barrels back to the British Isles , back then, too? >>Jerry >> >>--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [ USA ] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: >> >>From: Husar, Charlie [ USA ] <hu… [at] bah.com> >>Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) >>To: " Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com " < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >>Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 2:41 PM >> >> >>Dave, I'll fax you some Bushmill's. >> >>Cheers >>Charlie >> >> >>From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of >>david dobbs >>Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:32 PM >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) >>Charlie, >>I had an experience early in my sailing career, was assisted by a powerboater. >>It's a long story that I might tell someday after enough Bushmills. They're not >>all bad. >>Regards, >>Dave D. >> >>--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Husar, Charlie [ USA ] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: >> >>>From: Husar, Charlie [ USA ] <hu… [at] bah.com> >>>Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) >>>To: " Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com " < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >>>Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 4:04 PM >>> >>> >>>Chris, if there is a map on the GPS and they use it. At least they will know >>>where they are, but maybe not learn how to properly get somewhere else without >>>incident (things like "the pigs" in Lake Champlain ). >>> >>>Cheers >>>Charlie >>> >>>From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of >>>Chris >>>Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:38 PM >>>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Powerboaters and sea stories(Charlie) >>>On 12/11/2010 9:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [ USA ] wrote: >>> >>> >>>. As a chart they a paper place mat from the restaurant that had a rather cute >>>hand-type drawing of the river where we were with a little star where the >>>restaurant was. Maybe GPS will cure this (till the battery goes dead). >>> >>> >>>GPS will cure stupidity? >>> >>>Chris Campbell >>> >>> >>> >>> >