Engine sales record

> Hello All - > > I am a former Cal 25 owner, longtime member of this list, and dealer > for Beta Marine diesel engines. I need one more engine sale before > 12/31/10 to break my old engine sales record. Therefore, I am willing > to offer _an unbeatable deal_ on any new Beta Marine engine, first > come, first served. > > Note that this is not a scam, I really need just ONE MORE sale in 2010. > > Please contact me off list for a quote. > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

OK Sailors, I already have one, and Magic is too small for twin drive. Beta Marine engines are as good as they come. If you are thinking about repowering, look no further. BTW, I am not a paid spokesperson. --Michael-- From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 9:43:11 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record Hello All - > > I am a former Cal 25 owner, longtime member of this list, and dealer for Beta >Marine diesel engines. I need one more engine sale before 12/31/10 to break my >old engine sales record. Therefore, I am willing to offer an unbeatable deal on >any new Beta Marine engine, first come, first served. > > >Note that this is not a scam, I really need just ONE MORE sale in 2010. > >Please contact me off list for a quote. > > > >Joe DeMers - owner >Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com >phone & fax (860) 666-2184 > > -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184

You are such a great resource for this list -- I just wish I needed a re-power right now. But, my Yanmar continues to purr on into it's 25th season! Good luck, Joe! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 6:43:11 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record Hello All - > > I am a former Cal 25 owner, longtime member of this list, and dealer for Beta >Marine diesel engines. I need one more engine sale before 12/31/10 to break my >old engine sales record. Therefore, I am willing to offer an unbeatable deal on >any new Beta Marine engine, first come, first served. > > >Note that this is not a scam, I really need just ONE MORE sale in 2010. > >Please contact me off list for a quote. > > > >Joe DeMers - owner >Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com >phone & fax (860) 666-2184 > > -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184

whats the "old record"....some are now going eletrick... hopefully My 68 cal 36 (jensen) Atomic 4 walters Vdrive 1" staft with reduction 2:1 will Keep running...11,000 lbs What beta eng and trans(?) Would You think would be best for THIS boat? thanks edward (helen) Cruiser is our dog's Name!! From: Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 6:55:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record You are such a great resource for this list -- I just wish I needed a re-power right now. But, my Yanmar continues to purr on into it's 25th season! Good luck, Joe! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 6:43:11 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record Hello All - > > I am a former Cal 25 owner, longtime member of this list, and dealer for Beta >Marine diesel engines. I need one more engine sale before 12/31/10 to break my >old engine sales record. Therefore, I am willing to offer an unbeatable deal on >any new Beta Marine engine, first come, first served. > > >Note that this is not a scam, I really need just ONE MORE sale in 2010. > >Please contact me off list for a quote. > > > >Joe DeMers - owner >Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com >phone & fax (860) 666-2184 > > -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184

Are there any small gas inboards for the likes of a Gray Marine replacement? Mine is 55 years old and I am not sure how much longer it will last although it is running fine. I am partial to gas engines so am going to pass on the diesel upgrade. Hey, everyone who hates gas, did you see the picture of the big propane explosion that blew that boat to bits in Latitude 38 this month? I would never put propane on my boat. Too dangerous. Allen On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net>wrote: > > > You are such a great resource for this list -- I just wish I needed a > re-power right now. But, my Yanmar continues to purr on into it's 25th > season! Good luck, Joe! > > Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you > didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail > away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. > Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thu, December 16, 2010 6:43:11 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record > > > > > > > Hello All - > > I am a former Cal 25 owner, longtime member of this list, and dealer for > Beta Marine diesel engines. I need one more engine sale before 12/31/10 to > break my old engine sales record. Therefore, I am willing to offer *an > unbeatable deal* on any new Beta Marine engine, first come, first served. > > Note that this is not a scam, I really need just ONE MORE sale in 2010. > > Please contact me off list for a quote. > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > -- > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > >

Thanks Don, and have a Merry Christmas ! Joe DeMers On 12/16/2010 9:55 PM, Donald Dutton wrote: > > > You are such a great resource for this list -- I just wish I needed a > re-power right now. But, my Yanmar continues to purr on into it's > 25th season! Good luck, Joe! > Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things > you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the > bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in > your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thu, December 16, 2010 6:43:11 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record > > > > >> Hello All - >> >> I am a former Cal 25 owner, longtime member of this list, and dealer >> for Beta Marine diesel engines. I need one more engine sale before >> 12/31/10 to break my old engine sales record. Therefore, I am willing >> to offer _an unbeatable deal_ on any new Beta Marine engine, first >> come, first served. >> >> Note that this is not a scam, I really need just ONE MORE sale in 2010. >> >> Please contact me off list for a quote. >> >> *Joe DeMers - owner* >> >> Sound Marine Diesel LLC >> >> SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> >> >> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* >> >> > > -- > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3320 - Release Date: 12/16/10 14:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

On 12/17/2010 1:46 AM, Allen Edwards wrote: > > > Are there any small gas inboards for the likes of a Gray Marine > replacement? ****** Just old Atomic 4s and Atomic 2s. Joe DeMers > Mine is 55 years old and I am not sure how much longer it will last > although it is running fine. I am partial to gas engines so am going > to pass on the diesel upgrade. > > Hey, everyone who hates gas, did you see the picture of the big > propane explosion that blew that boat to bits in Latitude 38 this > month? I would never put propane on my boat. Too dangerous. > > Allen > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net > <mailto:dn… [at] sbcglobal.net>> wrote: > > You are such a great resource for this list -- I just wish I > needed a re-power right now. But, my Yanmar continues to purr on > into it's 25th season! Good luck, Joe! > Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the > things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off > the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade > winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com > <mailto:je… [at] mindspring.com>> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> > *Sent:* Thu, December 16, 2010 6:43:11 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record > > > > >> Hello All - >> >> I am a former Cal 25 owner, longtime member of this list, and >> dealer for Beta Marine diesel engines. I need one more engine >> sale before 12/31/10 to break my old engine sales record. >> Therefore, I am willing to offer _an unbeatable deal_ on any new >> Beta Marine engine, first come, first served. >> >> Note that this is not a scam, I really need just ONE MORE sale in >> 2010. >> >> Please contact me off list for a quote. >> >> *Joe DeMers - owner* >> >> Sound Marine Diesel LLC >> >> SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> >> >> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* >> >> > > -- > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3320 - Release Date: 12/16/10 14:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > snipped > >> >> Hey, everyone who hates gas, did you see the picture of the big >> propane explosion that blew that boat to bits in Latitude 38 this >> month? I would never put propane on my boat. Too dangerous. >> >> Allen It is a mystery to me why CNG, a very safe cooking gas, has been phased out in favor of propane. When I was restoring the Cal 40, I had a hard time finding a CNG regulator and it cost 4 times as much as a Propane regulator. I know propane has more BTUs but the safety issue would seem more important to me. Mike Kennedy

I think it's all about cost and convenience. It's too hard to find CNC. I agree that's a propane system installed improperly is a bomb waiting to go off. My grandfather started the first propane company in the world back in 1910. I can remember many conversations about killing lots of people in the early years. The main problem is that LPG is heavier than air, doesn't dissipate like CNC. I would hate to think about having my 4 ft deep bilge full with LPG. It would just sit there! One spark and boom! I, for one won't install a system on my boat. I use a microwave oven. The wife doesn't want cook anyhow. Chuck 2-34 Ventura Ca From: Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 10:24:41 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > snipped > >> >> Hey, everyone who hates gas, did you see the picture of the big >> propane explosion that blew that boat to bits in Latitude 38 this >> month? I would never put propane on my boat. Too dangerous. >> >> Allen It is a mystery to me why CNG, a very safe cooking gas, has been phased out in favor of propane. When I was restoring the Cal 40, I had a hard time finding a CNG regulator and it cost 4 times as much as a Propane regulator. I know propane has more BTUs but the safety issue would seem more important to me. Mike Kennedy

We bring sandwiches and beer. No stove on Papoose. I have an alcohol stove stored in the attic. Imho, a good place for it. Allen On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Chuck Lennox <le… [at] yahoo.com>wrote: > > > I think it's all about cost and convenience. It's too hard to find CNC. > I agree that's a propane system installed improperly is a bomb waiting to > go off. > > My grandfather started the first propane company in the world back in 1910. > I can remember many conversations about killing lots of people in the early > years. > The main problem is that LPG is heavier than air, doesn't dissipate like > CNC. > > I would hate to think about having my 4 ft deep bilge full with LPG. It > would just sit there! One spark and boom! > I, for one won't install a system on my boat. I use a microwave oven. The > wife doesn't want cook anyhow. > Chuck > 2-34 > Ventura Ca > ------------------------------ > *From:* Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Fri, December 17, 2010 10:24:41 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record > > > > > On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > > > snipped > > > > >> > >> Hey, everyone who hates gas, did you see the picture of the big > >> propane explosion that blew that boat to bits in Latitude 38 this > >> month? I would never put propane on my boat. Too dangerous. > >> > >> Allen > > It is a mystery to me why CNG, a very safe cooking gas, has been > phased out in favor of propane. When I was restoring the Cal 40, I had > a hard time finding a CNG regulator and it cost 4 times as much as a > Propane regulator. I know propane has more BTUs but the safety issue > would seem more important to me. > > Mike Kennedy > > >

This is a tough call. I dont like propane either .....but....on a cruising vessel, one that is out of port for more then a week at a time..there are few options IMHO. And its all temp dependent as well. Stuff Ive tried..with various degree's of success. Standard test: time to boil one litre of water. 1. Alcohol cooker..origo...expensive fuel...take about 20 minutes to boil a litre in the test post...poor performance...good part is, the stuff is not explosive..negative..low heat from alcohol based flame. Little impact by temp other then as flame temp is low its competing with ambient air temperatures to heat the water. 2. Butane cooker...generic...fuel is reasonable...takes about 5 minutes or less to boil a litre of water. Hottest flame of cookers tested. Negative points, works in the summer only....as the ambient temp drops butane bottles become depressurized and you end up using twice as much. 3.Propane....works well...pretty standardized setup. Used a double burner Coleman as a test platform before springing for a range, a fiber glass 25 pound bottle, an adapter from eBay to fill up those green bottles...and it ran all fall winter and spring. Everything stored outside and bottles filled outside..Not for the timid but easy enough. Negatives; well we all know those. So for 20 bucks I had sufficient fuel to last 5 months of cooking meals and did so with the hatch open, and then had the blower on to assist with the air exchange in case anything leaked. Always did the soap and water test on the simple singular connection on the Coleman and it never leaked. So that's about all the info I have....IMHO its all a matter of setup, configuration, and maintenance. The more explosive the stuff the more you have to check your system and keep it as simple as possible with minimum connections. Where things get tricky is if your connections are inside the boat. I would keep all connections outside the boat, one to the BBQ and one to the stove and one to the heater and have them all connected in the propane locker, which is well ventilated. Yes it costs more in hoses, but you only have two connections that you have to bubble test prior to use (each and every time IMHO) The BBQ is outside on the rail so its not a factor but should be checked as well. A well ventilated propane locker IMHO is the key with all lines terminating there. just my 2 cents. /ch

Cris.. we boil water use 110 volt water pot boils 2 mins ...great 4 hot coffee choc. etc 12 v inverter 1000 watt (cosco <$60.oo) rail mount BBQ (magna Costa Mesa) thinking of going Elec.cooktop with genarator C&G last a long time 1200 psi but, is hard to find....ed From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] propane systems This is a tough call. I dont like propane either .....but....on a cruising vessel, one that is out of port for more then a week at a time..there are few options IMHO. And its all temp dependent as well. Stuff Ive tried..with various degree's of success. Standard test: time to boil one litre of water. 1. Alcohol cooker..origo...expensive fuel...take about 20 minutes to boil a litre in the test post...poor performance...good part is, the stuff is not explosive..negative..low heat from alcohol based flame. Little impact by temp other then as flame temp is low its competing with ambient air temperatures to heat the water. 2. Butane cooker...generic...fuel is reasonable...takes about 5 minutes or less to boil a litre of water. Hottest flame of cookers tested. Negative points, works in the summer only....as the ambient temp drops butane bottles become depressurized and you end up using twice as much. 3.Propane....works well...pretty standardized setup. Used a double burner Coleman as a test platform before springing for a range, a fiber glass 25 pound bottle, an adapter from eBay to fill up those green bottles...and it ran all fall winter and spring. Everything stored outside and bottles filled outside..Not for the timid but easy enough. Negatives; well we all know those. So for 20 bucks I had sufficient fuel to last 5 months of cooking meals and did so with the hatch open, and then had the blower on to assist with the air exchange in case anything leaked. Always did the soap and water test on the simple singular connection on the Coleman and it never leaked. So that's about all the info I have....IMHO its all a matter of setup, configuration, and maintenance. The more explosive the stuff the more you have to check your system and keep it as simple as possible with minimum connections. Where things get tricky is if your connections are inside the boat. I would keep all connections outside the boat, one to the BBQ and one to the stove and one to the heater and have them all connected in the propane locker, which is well ventilated. Yes it costs more in hoses, but you only have two connections that you have to bubble test prior to use (each and every time IMHO) The BBQ is outside on the rail so its not a factor but should be checked as well. A well ventilated propane locker IMHO is the key with all lines terminating there. just my 2 cents. /ch

On Dec 17, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Chuck Lennox wrote: > > I think it's all about cost and convenience. It's too hard to find > CNC. My point was that it didn't used to be hard. I had CNG systems in boats I took to Mexico and Hawaii. It used to be common in most gas docks but somehow the standard became propane. Mike Kennedy > I agree that's a propane system installed improperly is a bomb > waiting to go off. > > My grandfather started the first propane company in the world back > in 1910. I can remember many conversations about killing lots of > people in the early years. > The main problem is that LPG is heavier than air, doesn't dissipate > like CNC. > > I would hate to think about having my 4 ft deep bilge full with LPG. > It would just sit there! One spark and boom! > I, for one won't install a system on my boat. I use a microwave > oven. The wife doesn't want cook anyhow. > Chuck

Yup! From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] propane systems This is a tough call. I dont like propane either .....but....on a cruising vessel, one that is out of port for more then a week at a time..there are few options IMHO. And its all temp dependent as well. Stuff Ive tried..with various degree's of success. Standard test: time to boil one litre of water. 1. Alcohol cooker..origo...expensive fuel...take about 20 minutes to boil a litre in the test post...poor performance...good part is, the stuff is not explosive..negative..low heat from alcohol based flame. Little impact by temp other then as flame temp is low its competing with ambient air temperatures to heat the water. 2. Butane cooker...generic...fuel is reasonable...takes about 5 minutes or less to boil a litre of water. Hottest flame of cookers tested. Negative points, works in the summer only....as the ambient temp drops butane bottles become depressurized and you end up using twice as much. 3.Propane....works well...pretty standardized setup. Used a double burner Coleman as a test platform before springing for a range, a fiber glass 25 pound bottle, an adapter from eBay to fill up those green bottles...and it ran all fall winter and spring. Everything stored outside and bottles filled outside..Not for the timid but easy enough. Negatives; well we all know those. So for 20 bucks I had sufficient fuel to last 5 months of cooking meals and did so with the hatch open, and then had the blower on to assist with the air exchange in case anything leaked. Always did the soap and water test on the simple singular connection on the Coleman and it never leaked. So that's about all the info I have....IMHO its all a matter of setup, configuration, and maintenance. The more explosive the stuff the more you have to check your system and keep it as simple as possible with minimum connections. Where things get tricky is if your connections are inside the boat. I would keep all connections outside the boat, one to the BBQ and one to the stove and one to the heater and have them all connected in the propane locker, which is well ventilated. Yes it costs more in hoses, but you only have two connections that you have to bubble test prior to use (each and every time IMHO) The BBQ is outside on the rail so its not a factor but should be checked as well. A well ventilated propane locker IMHO is the key with all lines terminating there. just my 2 cents. /ch

On which of your boats Helen? Where I want to get too as its my style, is to get the electrical usage down as low as possible. So I don't use hot water heaters, nor refrigeration. At this time I can run the boat for about a week without the engine on, before i have to recharge the batteries. Its just my preferred cruising style...so you need to make compromises and learn what works and what doesn't. Its all a matter of learning and the comforts you require. YMMV and my cruising style may change over time. But for now, minimal juice is the preferred way to go. There is no room on the 29 for a genset and to honest at this time, I dont really want one as its just another thing to maintain. /ch

I would guess like most things, vendor and industry driven. Apparently electric trolleys were all the rage on the west and east coasts, till GM started selling buses. While three times the cost to operate and maintain, the lines started being ripped out based on initial subsidies provided by GM. It was a very profitable move for them back in the early days when they were a strong and vibrant company. /ch

Allen, I know where there is a rebuilt Grey Marine 4 cyl engine, was taken out of a Q boat. David Dobbs --- On Fri, 12/17/10, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> wrote: From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 12:46 AM Are there any small gas inboards for the likes of a Gray Marine replacement? Mine is 55 years old and I am not sure how much longer it will last although it is running fine. I am partial to gas engines so am going to pass on the diesel upgrade. Hey, everyone who hates gas, did you see the picture of the big propane explosion that blew that boat to bits in Latitude 38 this month? I would never put propane on my boat. Too dangerous. Allen On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: You are such a great resource for this list -- I just wish I needed a re-power right now. But, my Yanmar continues to purr on into it's 25th season! Good luck, Joe! Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 6:43:11 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record Hello All - I am a former Cal 25 owner, longtime member of this list, and dealer for Beta Marine diesel engines. I need one more engine sale before 12/31/10 to break my old engine sales record. Therefore, I am willing to offer an unbeatable deal on any new Beta Marine engine, first come, first served. Note that this is not a scam, I really need just ONE MORE sale in 2010. Please contact me off list for a quote. Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184 -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLCSoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184

From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 2:01:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] propane systems Cris.. we boil water use 110 volt water pot boils 2 mins ...great 4 hot coffee choc. etc 12 v inverter 1000 watt (cosco <$60.oo) rail mount BBQ (magna Costa Mesa) thinking of going Elec.cooktop with genarator C&G last a long time 1200 psi but, is hard to find....ed From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] propane systems This is a tough call. I dont like propane either .....but....on a cruising vessel, one that is out of port for more then a week at a time..there are few options IMHO. And its all temp dependent as well. Stuff Ive tried..with various degree's of success. Standard test: time to boil one litre of water. 1. Alcohol cooker..origo...expensive fuel...take about 20 minutes to boil a litre in the test post...poor performance...good part is, the stuff is not explosive..negative..low heat from alcohol based flame. Little impact by temp other then as flame temp is low its competing with ambient air temperatures to heat the water. 2. Butane cooker...generic...fuel is reasonable...takes about 5 minutes or less to boil a litre of water. Hottest flame of cookers tested. Negative points, works in the summer only....as the ambient temp drops butane bottles become depressurized and you end up using twice as much. 3.Propane....works well...pretty standardized setup. Used a double burner Coleman as a test platform before springing for a range, a fiber glass 25 pound bottle, an adapter from eBay to fill up those green bottles...and it ran all fall winter and spring. Everything stored outside and bottles filled outside..Not for the timid but easy enough. Negatives; well we all know those. So for 20 bucks I had sufficient fuel to last 5 months of cooking meals and did so with the hatch open, and then had the blower on to assist with the air exchange in case anything leaked. Always did the soap and water test on the simple singular connection on the Coleman and it never leaked. So that's about all the info I have....IMHO its all a matter of setup, configuration, and maintenance. The more explosive the stuff the more you have to check your system and keep it as simple as possible with minimum connections. Where things get tricky is if your connections are inside the boat. I would keep all connections outside the boat, one to the BBQ and one to the stove and one to the heater and have them all connected in the propane locker, which is well ventilated. Yes it costs more in hoses, but you only have two connections that you have to bubble test prior to use (each and every time IMHO) The BBQ is outside on the rail so its not a factor but should be checked as well. A well ventilated propane locker IMHO is the key with all lines terminating there. just my 2 cents. /ch We do enjoy the BBQ with propane on the rail. Cheap and safe enough. Chuck We

Well, there's Kerosene and Diesel as well. I've owned a kerosene stove and wasn't wild about it. You had to use Alcohol in the burner dish to get it hot enough to ignite the kerosene. The Tank had to be pressurized as well, and it sooted up the galleybadly when the burners weren't adjusted just right, and it sooted the galley up even if you did. There are some real high tech diesel stoves available now, but the downside of them is cost. I have a diesel cabin heater from Walas. It's really a great unit. Check out Walas stoves at Scan Marine: http://www.scanmarineusa.com/wallas_stoves.html Wilkie even when you got the burners On Dec 17, 2010, at 1:01 PM, chris123 wrote: > This is a tough call. I dont like propane either .....but....on a > cruising vessel, one that is out of port for more then a week at a > time..there are few options IMHO. And its all temp dependent as well. > > Stuff Ive tried..with various degree's of success. Standard test: > time to boil one litre of water. > > 1. Alcohol cooker..origo...expensive fuel...take about 20 minutes to > boil a litre in the test post...poor performance...good part is, the > stuff is not explosive..negative..low heat from alcohol based flame. > Little impact by temp other then as flame temp is low its competing > with ambient air temperatures to heat the water. > > 2. Butane cooker...generic...fuel is reasonable...takes about 5 > minutes or less to boil a litre of water. Hottest flame of cookers > tested. Negative points, works in the summer only....as the ambient > temp drops butane bottles become depressurized and you end up using > twice as much. > > 3.Propane....works well...pretty standardized setup. Used a double > burner Coleman as a test platform before springing for a range, a > fiber glass 25 pound bottle, an adapter from eBay to fill up those > green bottles...and it ran all fall winter and spring. Everything > stored outside and bottles filled outside..Not for the timid but > easy enough. Negatives; well we all know those. So for 20 bucks I > had sufficient fuel to last 5 months of cooking meals and did so > with the hatch open, and then had the blower on to assist with the > air exchange in case anything leaked. Always did the soap and water > test on the simple singular connection on the Coleman and it never > leaked. > > So that's about all the info I have....IMHO its all a matter of > setup, configuration, and maintenance. The more explosive the stuff > the more you have to check your system and keep it as simple as > possible with minimum connections. Where things get tricky is if > your connections are inside the boat. I would keep all connections > outside the boat, one to the BBQ and one to the stove and one to the > heater and have them all connected in the propane locker, which is > well ventilated. Yes it costs more in hoses, but you only have two > connections that you have to bubble test prior to use (each and > every time IMHO) The BBQ is outside on the rail so its not a factor > but should be checked as well. A well ventilated propane locker > IMHO is the key with all lines terminating there. > > just my 2 cents. > > /ch > > > >

Well, like I said mine runs great and I would like to get something lighter in there if and when mine quits. But thanks for keeping me in mind. Of course, if there isn't any alternative, I will have to go that route. Allen On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 3:20 PM, david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Allen, > I know where there is a rebuilt Grey Marine 4 cyl engine, was taken out of > a Q boat. > > David Dobbs > > > --- On *Fri, 12/17/10, Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com>*wrote: > > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 12:46 AM > > > Are there any small gas inboards for the likes of a Gray Marine > replacement? Mine is 55 years old and I am not sure how much longer it will > last although it is running fine. I am partial to gas engines so am going > to pass on the diesel upgrade. > > Hey, everyone who hates gas, did you see the picture of the big propane > explosion that blew that boat to bits in Latitude 38 this month? I would > never put propane on my boat. Too dangerous. > > Allen > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> > > wrote: > > > You are such a great resource for this list -- I just wish I needed a > re-power right now. But, my Yanmar continues to purr on into it's 25th > season! Good luck, Joe! > > Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you > didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail > away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. > Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=je… [at] mindspring.com> > > > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>" > <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > > *Sent:* Thu, December 16, 2010 6:43:11 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record > > > > > > Hello All - > > I am a former Cal 25 owner, longtime member of this list, and dealer for > Beta Marine diesel engines. I need one more engine sale before 12/31/10 to > break my old engine sales record. Therefore, I am willing to offer *an > unbeatable deal* on any new Beta Marine engine, first come, first served. > > Note that this is not a scam, I really need just ONE MORE sale in 2010. > > Please contact me off list for a quote. > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > -- > *Joe DeMers - owner* > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > > >

BTU/ft^3 NG 1000 BTU/ft^3 propane 2500 standard tank CNG (scuba size) 80 ft^3 standard tank propane (4 gal, 20 lb) 150 ft^3 weight empty tank CNG 30 lbs weight empty tank propane 18 lbs So 2.5 times the heating capacity, many boats carry twice as much fuel on top of than, and the tank weighs half as much. I'd like to see statistics on how many people are blowing themselves up with propane. If you're worried about something that I believe you're going to find so low of a probability of killing you, there are a lot more activities that you should be focusing on not doing first. Do the recommended safety checks and you'll be way less likely to get in trouble than the normal population. John --- On Fri, 12/17/10, Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com> wrote: From: Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 10:24 AM On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > snipped > >> >> Hey, everyone who hates gas, did you see the picture of the big >> propane explosion that blew that boat to bits in Latitude 38 this >> month? I would never put propane on my boat. Too dangerous. >> >> Allen It is a mystery to me why CNG, a very safe cooking gas, has been phased out in favor of propane. When I was restoring the Cal 40, I had a hard time finding a CNG regulator and it cost 4 times as much as a Propane regulator. I know propane has more BTUs but the safety issue would seem more important to me. Mike Kennedy

I see I was successful in preventing people from trying to tell me gasoline was too dangerous but I really had not intended to start a war on Propane. Sorry. If you follow safety precautions, as I do with my gasoline engine, then you probably won't blow up. Allen On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 12:55 AM, John Courter <ca… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > BTU/ft^3 NG 1000 > BTU/ft^3 propane 2500 > > standard tank CNG (scuba size) 80 ft^3 > standard tank propane (4 gal, 20 lb) 150 ft^3 > > weight empty tank CNG 30 lbs > weight empty tank propane 18 lbs > > So 2.5 times the heating capacity, many boats carry twice as much fuel on > top of than, and the tank weighs half as much. > > I'd like to see statistics on how many people are blowing themselves up > with propane. If you're worried about something that I believe you're going > to find so low of a probability of killing you, there are a lot more > activities that you should be focusing on not doing first. > > Do the recommended safety checks and you'll be way less likely to get in > trouble than the normal population. > > John > > > > > --- On *Fri, 12/17/10, Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com>* wrote: > > > From: Michael Kennedy <mi… [at] mac.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 10:24 AM > > > > On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > > > snipped > > > > >> > >> Hey, everyone who hates gas, did you see the picture of the big > >> propane explosion that blew that boat to bits in Latitude 38 this > >> month? I would never put propane on my boat. Too dangerous. > >> > >> Allen > > It is a mystery to me why CNG, a very safe cooking gas, has been > phased out in favor of propane. When I was restoring the Cal 40, I had > a hard time finding a CNG regulator and it cost 4 times as much as a > Propane regulator. I know propane has more BTUs but the safety issue > would seem more important to me. > > Mike Kennedy > > > >

Hello, Having lived aboard our Cal 46 for 18 of the last 22 years and actively cruising 9 of those years, we have found our propane system to be safe, fairly easily attainable, (at least in Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, Bahamas, Cuba and the USA), plus fits our cooking needs As you old timers know we purchased our boat, "Satori" from Jack Jensen's estate shortly after he died, in 1983. He had circumnavigated aboard her after having her built, Hull # 3, in 1967. The propane locker, which is built into the starboard rail just outside the pilot house/galley companionway. Originally Jack had a valve in the locker with a long handle extending into the galley. It was prominent, so you see at a glance whether it was on or off. After a few years of my fussing about the spousal unit not turning the valve off after cooking, she learned. Having been a professional fire fighter in SoCal for 30 years, I was well aware of the dangers of heavier than air gasses in enclosed spaces.

Hi: Hi to all Captains... Merry Christmas I just bought a CAl 31 1980 and this might sound ridiculous, but I don't how to turn the stove on. I have filled the gas tank, opened the valve, turned on the solenoid GAS switch, turned on the gas valve at the stove, and put a lighter close and noting happens. Does someone knows if I am missing something? How often the solenoid needs to be replaced? Could that be the issue? Best Regards, Padin --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chuck Lennox <lennoxchuck@...> wrote: > > I think it's all about cost and convenience. It's too hard to find CNC. > I agree that's a propane system installed improperly is a bomb waiting to go > off. > > My grandfather started the first propane company in the world back in 1910. I > can remember many conversations about killing lots of people in the early years. > > The main problem is that LPG is heavier than air, doesn't dissipate like CNC. > > I would hate to think about having my 4 ft deep bilge full with LPG. It would > just sit there! One spark and boom! > I, for one won't install a system on my boat. I use a microwave oven. The wife > doesn't want cook anyhow. > Chuck > 2-34 > Ventura Ca > > > ________________________________ > From: Michael Kennedy <michaeltkennedy@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 10:24:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record > >  > > On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > > > snipped > > > > >> > >> Hey, everyone who hates gas, did you see the picture of the big > >> propane explosion that blew that boat to bits in Latitude 38 this > >> month? I would never put propane on my boat. Too dangerous. > >> > >> Allen > > It is a mystery to me why CNG, a very safe cooking gas, has been > phased out in favor of propane. When I was restoring the Cal 40, I had > a hard time finding a CNG regulator and it cost 4 times as much as a > Propane regulator. I know propane has more BTUs but the safety issue > would seem more important to me. > > Mike Kennedy >

On 12/16/2010 10:20 PM, Helen Horn wrote: > > > whats the "old record".. ***** My old engine sales record was set back in 2004, and I have equaled that record this year. I can't be so close and NOT set a new sales record ! UPDATE - I did sell another engine this weekend, I have made my sales goal. Thanks to all who commented. > ..some are now going > eletrick... ****** That's fine if one accepts the range limitations of electric drive. > hopefully My 68 cal 36 (jensen) > Atomic 4 walters Vdrive 1" staft with reduction 2:1 will Keep > running...11,000 lbs > What beta eng and trans(?) Would You think > would be best for THIS boat? The Beta 25 with a ZF 150 MIV 2:1 transmission would be ideal for your boat Edward. It would easily provide the power to drive her to hull speed, while being lighter than the old A4 by about 150 pounds. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > thanks edward > (helen) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Donald Dutton <dn… [at] sbcglobal.net> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thu, December 16, 2010 6:55:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record > > You are such a great resource for this list -- I just wish I needed a > re-power right now. But, my Yanmar continues to purr on into it's > 25th season! Good luck, Joe! > Don Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" > > "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things > you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the > bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in > your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Joe DeMers <je… [at] mindspring.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thu, December 16, 2010 6:43:11 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record > > > > >> Hello All - >> >> I am a former Cal 25 owner, longtime member of this list, and dealer >> for Beta Marine diesel engines. I need one more engine sale before >> 12/31/10 to break my old engine sales record. Therefore, I am willing >> to offer _an unbeatable deal_ on any new Beta Marine engine, first >> come, first served. >> >> Note that this is not a scam, I really need just ONE MORE sale in 2010. >> >> Please contact me off list for a quote. >> >> *Joe DeMers - owner* >> >> Sound Marine Diesel LLC >> >> SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> >> >> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* >> >> > > -- > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> > > *phone & fax (860) 666-2184* > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3320 - Release Date: 12/16/10 14:34:00 > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> *phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

Here's a few things... Do you hear the solenoid klunk when you turn it on and off? If it klunks when turned on, most likely it's working. If everything is on, gas valves open, will the flame from the lighter blow away from the burner? Only a little, but if air is being purged, it won't light for a minute or so. Leave the flame near the burner and be patient. If no air, then no pressure, then a valve is still closed, or the line or orifice on the stove is plugged. I'm assuming that there is propane in the tank. You can unplug the oriface with a real small wire. Good luck, Carl S/V Nauta On 12/20/10, padinj1 <pa… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi: > Hi to all Captains... Merry Christmas > I just bought a CAl 31 1980 and this might sound ridiculous, but I don't > how to turn the stove on.

I had the same problem on my RV. There is this little (not really that little) thing that limits the amount of gas that can come out of the tank. It looked clean but cleaning it solved the problem. It was real hard to get off -- until I realized it was a left hand thread. It screwed directly into the valve that is on the tank. There are some kind of universally recognized marks on things that are left hand threads. Unfortunately, I was not in the know. Thanks to my local RV dealer who wouldn't sell me a new one because he knew I only needed to clean it. Allen On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Carl <sa… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > Here's a few things... > > Do you hear the solenoid klunk when you turn it on and off? If it > klunks when turned on, most likely it's working. > > If everything is on, gas valves open, will the flame from the lighter > blow away from the burner? Only a little, but if air is being purged, > it won't light for a minute or so. Leave the flame near the burner and > be patient. > > If no air, then no pressure, then a valve is still closed, or the line > or orifice on the stove is plugged. I'm assuming that there is propane > in the tank. You can unplug the oriface with a real small wire. > > Good luck, > > Carl > S/V Nauta > > > On 12/20/10, padinj1 <pa… [at] yahoo.com <padinj1%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > Hi: > > Hi to all Captains... Merry Christmas > > I just bought a CAl 31 1980 and this might sound ridiculous, but I don't > > how to turn the stove on. > > >

The one thing that has puzzled me about propane systems is the solenoid. If you read the instructions that come with them, the manufacturer recommends that you turn off the propane supply once the solenoid is installed and turned off. Since it serves no purpose in terms of regulating the pressure, this is done at the head of the system, and serves only as a shut off valve, which requires the tank to be turned off when not in use based on manufacturer recommendations and safe practices, whats the point of the installing one? The only thing I can think off is that the lines are bleed free of gas, but then again that all depends on how you turn off your appliance. eg: turn off appliance, turn off solenoid, turn off tank, line is still full of gas from the solenoid to the appliance. So whats the point of installing one of these? Or am I missing something. Best regards /ch

Who follows instructions? Next question. For example: How to cook dinner: 1) Put food in microwave 2) Take packaging out of trash to find out how long to cook it for. Allen On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:47 AM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > > > The one thing that has puzzled me about propane systems is the solenoid. If > you read the instructions that come with them, the manufacturer recommends > that you turn off the propane supply once the solenoid is installed and > turned off. > > Since it serves no purpose in terms of regulating the pressure, this is > done at the head of the system, and serves only as a shut off valve, which > requires the tank to be turned off when not in use based on manufacturer > recommendations and safe practices, whats the point of the installing one? > The only thing I can think off is that the lines are bleed free of gas, but > then again that all depends on how you turn off your appliance. > > eg: turn off appliance, turn off solenoid, turn off tank, line is still > full of gas from the solenoid to the appliance. > > So whats the point of installing one of these? Or am I missing something. > > Best regards > > /ch > > >

The solenoid was for the lazy people who did want to go outside to turn off the tank A cabin in the woods this might great but I do not use one. one more thing to go wrong. --- On Mon, 12/20/10, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > From: chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: propane systems- How to Turn on the Stove > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 8:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one thing that has puzzled me about propane > systems is the solenoid. If you read the instructions that > come with them, the manufacturer recommends that you turn > off the propane supply once the solenoid is installed and > turned off. > > > Since it serves no purpose in terms of regulating the > pressure, this is done at the head of the system, and serves > only as a shut off valve, which requires the tank to be > turned off when not in use based on manufacturer > recommendations and safe practices, whats the point of the > installing one? The only thing I can think off is that the > lines are bleed free of gas, but then again that all depends > on how you turn off your appliance. > > > eg: turn off appliance, turn off solenoid, turn off tank, > line is still full of gas from the solenoid to the > appliance. > > So whats the point of installing one of these? Or am I > missing something. > > Best regards > > > /ch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

At the risk of being obvious, have you remembered to push in on the burner and hold it while holding the lighter to the burner? Most propane appliances have a thermosensor which cuts off the gas unless flame is present. Pushing in on the knob overrides that function. Often it is necessary to hold the knob in for a few seconds to allow the sensor to come to temp before releasing it. Naturally you'd have n o way of knowing this unless you had used propane in the past. Welcome to the group! Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Dec 20, 2010, at 5:33 AM, padinj1 wrote: > Hi: > Hi to all Captains... Merry Christmas > I just bought a CAl 31 1980 and this might sound ridiculous, but I > don't how to turn the stove on. I have filled the gas tank, opened > the valve, turned on the solenoid GAS switch, turned on the gas > valve at the stove, and put a lighter close and noting happens. > Does someone knows if I am missing something? How often the > solenoid needs to be replaced? Could that be the issue? > > Best Regards, Padin > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Chuck Lennox <lennoxchuck@...> > wrote: > > > > I think it's all about cost and convenience. It's too hard to > find CNC. > > I agree that's a propane system installed improperly is a bomb > waiting to go > > off. > > > > My grandfather started the first propane company in the world > back in 1910. I > > can remember many conversations about killing lots of people in > the early years. > > > > The main problem is that LPG is heavier than air, doesn't > dissipate like CNC. > > > > I would hate to think about having my 4 ft deep bilge full with > LPG. It would > > just sit there! One spark and boom! > > I, for one won't install a system on my boat. I use a microwave > oven. The wife > > doesn't want cook anyhow. > > Chuck > > 2-34 > > Ventura Ca > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Michael Kennedy <michaeltkennedy@...> > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 10:24:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record > > > >  > > > > On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > > > > > snipped > > > > > > > >> > > >> Hey, everyone who hates gas, did you see the picture of the big > > >> propane explosion that blew that boat to bits in Latitude 38 this > > >> month? I would never put propane on my boat. Too dangerous. > > >> > > >> Allen > > > > It is a mystery to me why CNG, a very safe cooking gas, has been > > phased out in favor of propane. When I was restoring the Cal 40, > I had > > a hard time finding a CNG regulator and it cost 4 times as much as a > > Propane regulator. I know propane has more BTUs but the safety issue > > would seem more important to me. > > > > Mike Kennedy > > > >

"...have you remembered to push in on the burner and hold it while holding the lighter to the burner?" Fred, thank God you meant pushing in burner control knob instead of the burner itself. We literalists were imagining flaming fingers. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Haas Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:21 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: propane systems- How to Turn on the Stove At the risk of being obvious, have you remembered to push in on the burner and hold it while holding the lighter to the burner? Most propane appliances have a thermosensor which cuts off the gas unless flame is present. Pushing in on the knob overrides that function. Often it is necessary to hold the knob in for a few seconds to allow the sensor to come to temp before releasing it. Naturally you'd have n o way of knowing this unless you had used propane in the past. Welcome to the group! Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Dec 20, 2010, at 5:33 AM, padinj1 wrote: Hi: Hi to all Captains... Merry Christmas I just bought a CAl 31 1980 and this might sound ridiculous, but I don't how to turn the stove on. I have filled the gas tank, opened the valve, turned on the solenoid GAS switch, turned on the gas valve at the stove, and put a lighter close and noting happens. Does someone knows if I am missing something? How often the solenoid needs to be replaced? Could that be the issue? Best Regards, Padin --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com>, Chuck Lennox <lennoxchuck@...> wrote: > > I think it's all about cost and convenience. It's too hard to find CNC. > I agree that's a propane system installed improperly is a bomb waiting to go > off. > > My grandfather started the first propane company in the world back in 1910. I > can remember many conversations about killing lots of people in the early years. > > The main problem is that LPG is heavier than air, doesn't dissipate like CNC. > > I would hate to think about having my 4 ft deep bilge full with LPG. It would > just sit there! One spark and boom! > I, for one won't install a system on my boat. I use a microwave oven. The wife > doesn't want cook anyhow. > Chuck > 2-34 > Ventura Ca > > > ________________________________ > From: Michael Kennedy <michaeltkennedy@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Cal_Boats%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 10:24:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engine sales record > >  > > On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Joe DeMers wrote: > > > snipped > > > > >> > >> Hey, everyone who hates gas, did you see the picture of the big > >> propane explosion that blew that boat to bits in Latitude 38 this > >> month? I would never put propane on my boat. Too dangerous. > >> > >> Allen > > It is a mystery to me why CNG, a very safe cooking gas, has been > phased out in favor of propane. When I was restoring the Cal 40, I had > a hard time finding a CNG regulator and it cost 4 times as much as a > Propane regulator. I know propane has more BTUs but the safety issue > would seem more important to me. > > Mike Kennedy >

On Dec 20, 2010, at 9:06 AM, scott wrote: > one more thing to go wrong. In the interest of safety, I installed a propane alarm with a sniffer and solenoid which would shut off the gas if it leaked. (It also detected my daughter's hair spray.) Last summer, the sniffer went on the fritz at 1 am while out cruising. One never does their best thinking when awakened in the middle of the night, whilst a loud alarm is going off and waking boats all around, but eventually I simply shut off the power in order to get the crew back to sleep. The next day, I had to disassemble my propane locker and disconnect the solenoid in order to cook for the rest of our cruise. I have not yet decided if I will reinstall the system or just leave it the way it is with just the valve at the tank. I have heard cruising defined as fixing your boat in exotic locations. Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Tacoma