dreaded beam

does any one have patern for beam under mast, would like to make one before i start tairing into it. I have a Cal 34-2 1976

Capt Steve, and anyone else considering a beam replacement, I am not sure of the configuration of the 34 beam, but I would recommend making the new beam using the old one as the pattern. I have made a bunch of beams for the 29, 2-29 and the 3-30. After the first few which I made exactly from the drawing in the ftp file, I quickly discovered that there was not much consistancy.....up to 1 1/2" of variation in the tang and hole placements... not a problem if you are replacing the entire bulkhead, but if you are retrofitting just the beam, then more accuracy helps. In the 3-30 the beam has to fit preciseley inbetween the ends of a ring brace that attaches it directly to the chain plates. Some of these had shims that allowed for some discrepency, but some didn't and had different length and angles on the end flanges, which made the retrofits difficult in some of the boats.... When I make a beam now, I only do it from direct measurments and/or templates form the original... too many headaches come back otherwise. Alan Storey Cal 3-30x 'Chimera' Vancouver, BC --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Capt Steve" <dream_maker_ur@...> wrote: > > does any one have patern for beam under mast, would like to make one > before i start tairing into it. I have a Cal 34-2 1976 >

Hi All, Back on the list after a long time off of the water. I am looking at a 2-27 and am wondering if it has the same dreaded beam that Annie the 2-29 I sold some time ago had. Can anyone help me out with that? Chris Bowen Cal Less at the Moment Camano Island, Wa.

I can't answer your question Chris regarding the 2-27, however, if you decide you would be interested in going with a 2-29 again, let me know. We are discussing selling ours as family life has become too chaotic to get out to sail enough. Rick Lobb Cal 2-29 "Rebecca Shea" Bellingham, WA _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Bowen Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Dreaded Beam Hi All, Back on the list after a long time off of the water. I am looking at a 2-27 and am wondering if it has the same dreaded beam that Annie the 2-29 I sold some time ago had. Can anyone help me out with that? Chris Bowen Cal Less at the Moment Camano Island, Wa.

Rick, I would definitely be interested in another 2-29. Contact me off line and let me know the particulars. Thanks Chris Bowen ck… [at] wavecable.com ch… [at] gmail.com 425-971-5322 Cell -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of rick Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Dreaded Beam (Chris) I can't answer your question Chris regarding the 2-27, however, if you decide you would be interested in going with a 2-29 again, let me know. We are discussing selling ours as family life has become too chaotic to get out to sail enough. Rick Lobb Cal 2-29 "Rebecca Shea" Bellingham, WA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Bowen Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Dreaded Beam Hi All, Back on the list after a long time off of the water. I am looking at a 2-27 and am wondering if it has the same dreaded beam that Annie the 2-29 I sold some time ago had. Can anyone help me out with that? Chris Bowen Cal Less at the Moment Camano Island, Wa.

Well, I am a big fan of the 2-27, great boat. And NO, it does not have the dreaded beam, the mast is deck stepped. td From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com on behalf of Chris Bowen Sent: Tue 5/6/2008 9:54 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Dreaded Beam Hi All, Back on the list after a long time off of the water. I am looking at a 2-27 and am wondering if it has the same dreaded beam that Annie the 2-29 I sold some time ago had. Can anyone help me out with that? Chris Bowen Cal Less at the Moment Camano Island, Wa. DISCLAIMER: Important Notice ************************************************* This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems.

Chris, Our 1979 Cal 2-27, hull #627 does not have the "dreaded steel beam". Michael Duvall s/v Magic Pompano Beach, FL Chris Bowen <ck… [at] wavecable.com> wrote: Hi All, Back on the list after a long time off of the water. I am looking at a 2-27 and am wondering if it has the same dreaded beam that Annie the 2-29 I sold some time ago had. Can anyone help me out with that? Chris Bowen Cal Less at the Moment Camano Island, Wa. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Thanks for the response on the 2-27. We'll see what happens when I go to see the boat. Chris Bowen Cal Less at the Moment Camano Island,Wa. -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:45 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Dreaded Beam (Chris) Chris, Our 1979 Cal 2-27, hull #627 does not have the "dreaded steel beam". Michael Duvall s/v Magic Pompano Beach, FL Chris Bowen <ck… [at] wavecable.com> wrote: Hi All, Back on the list after a long time off of the water. I am looking at a 2-27 and am wondering if it has the same dreaded beam that Annie the 2-29 I sold some time ago had. Can anyone help me out with that? Chris Bowen Cal Less at the Moment Camano Island, Wa. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

I am astounded, after all the discussions I've witnessed onthis list over the past 10 years or so about the "dreaded beam" that NOT ONE CAL LISTER commented on the CAL 36 which had the beam replaced with concrete! Reggie

Yeah. I just couldn't make myself even contemplate that one..... Wilkie On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:45 PM, r good wrote: > I am astounded, after all the discussions I've witnessed onthis list > over the past 10 years or so about the "dreaded beam" that NOT ONE > CAL LISTER commented on the CAL 36 which had the beam replaced with > concrete! > Reggie > >

That was a question I posed to the group a couple of years ago. I wondered why it would not work, particularly when concrete continues to cure when in water. My comment was dismissed at the time as being "too heavy." Strengthen that block with rebar and what is not to like? On 4/23/10, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > Yeah. I just couldn't make myself even contemplate that one..... > > Wilkie > > > On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:45 PM, r good wrote: > > I am astounded, after all the discussions I've witnessed onthis list over > the past 10 years or so about the "dreaded beam" that NOT ONE CAL LISTER > commented on the CAL 36 which had the beam replaced with concrete! > Reggie > > > > -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] 602-507-9445 [Fax] 520-302-5206 [Tucson] br… [at] stirlinglaw.com http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers The information in this e-mail communication is Privileged and Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the undersigned sender immediately and then delete this e-mail.

There used to be a concrete boat works in Savage, MD. I am told that the rebar would eventually oxidize inside the concrete and destroy the integrity of the hull. Don't know any facts on that. Otherwise, rebar is steel and so is the beam. Should work as long as bolting areas have rebar support. Reggie, I think everybody bit their tongue and went Yuk. Purists that we are. I once saw a CAL 25 that the owner reworked for the ICW (or something). He chopped off the bottom foot of the keel (the lead area), glassed the bottom of what was left, and filled the bilge with concrete. Then he built a square box deck doghouse out of plywood over the slide hatch area which he had cut out bigger. It was heart breaking. The family does not like to talk about it much. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 1:32 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] dreaded beam That was a question I posed to the group a couple of years ago. I wondered why it would not work, particularly when concrete continues to cure when in water. My comment was dismissed at the time as being "too heavy." Strengthen that block with rebar and what is not to like? On 4/23/10, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net<mailto:dw… [at] cox.net>> wrote: Yeah. I just couldn't make myself even contemplate that one..... Wilkie On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:45 PM, r good wrote: I am astounded, after all the discussions I've witnessed onthis list over the past 10 years or so about the "dreaded beam" that NOT ONE CAL LISTER commented on the CAL 36 which had the beam replaced with concrete! Reggie -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] 602-507-9445 [Fax] 520-302-5206 [Tucson] br… [at] stirlinglaw.com<mailto:br… [at] stirlinglaw.com> http://www.stirlinglaw.com/lawyers The information in this e-mail communication is Privileged and Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the undersigned sender immediately and then delete this e-mail.

Charlie, Shortened keel? Sounds like a good solution for sailing in shallow water, a good boat for short tacking up the Icy Double You. --- On Sat, 4/24/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: From: Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] dreaded beam To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 3:17 AM There used to be a concrete boat works in Savage, MD. I am told that the rebar would eventually oxidize inside the concrete and destroy the integrity of the hull. Don't know any facts on that. Otherwise, rebar is steel and so is the beam. Should work as long as bolting areas have rebar support. Reggie, I think everybody bit their tongue and went Yuk. Purists that we are. I once saw a CAL 25 that the owner reworked for the ICW (or something). He chopped off the bottom foot of the keel (the lead area), glassed the bottom of what was left, and filled the bilge with concrete. Then he built a square box deck doghouse out of plywood over the slide hatch area which he had cut out bigger. It was heart breaking. The family does not like to talk about it much. Cheers Charlie From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Stirling Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 1:32 AM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] dreaded beam That was a question I posed to the group a couple of years ago. I wondered why it would not work, particularly when concrete continues to cure when in water. My comment was dismissed at the time as being "too heavy." Strengthen that block with rebar and what is not to like? On 4/23/10, David Wilkie Owen <dw… [at] cox.net> wrote: Yeah. I just couldn't make myself even contemplate that one..... Wilkie On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:45 PM, r good wrote: I am astounded, after all the discussions I've witnessed onthis list over the past 10 years or so about the "dreaded beam" that NOT ONE CAL LISTER commented on the CAL 36 which had the beam replaced with concrete! Reggie -- Robert Bruce Stirling, II, Esq. 602.254.6638 602.460.5631 [Cell] 602-507-9445 [Fax] 520-302-5206 [Tucson] bruce@stirlinglaw. com http://www.stirling law.com/lawyers The information in this e-mail communication is Privileged and Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the undersigned sender immediately and then delete this e-mail.

Husar, Charlie [USA] wrote: > > > There used to be a concrete boat works in Savage, MD. I am told that > the rebar would eventually oxidize inside the concrete and destroy the > integrity of the hull. Don't know any facts on that. Otherwise, > rebar is steel and so is the beam. Should work as long as bolting > areas have rebar support. We had a local tourist schooner, /Malibar, /built of ferrocement. As with most such vessels, the hull was slightly unfair, but tolerable. Trouble came when the reinforcing mesh started rusting, causing the cement to spall. Eventually the disorder reached the point that the CG would no longer approve the vessel for carrying passengers for hire. Somebody on the east coast bought her, patched her up enough to make it down the Seaway, and headed home. She apparently made it. Jerry Dennis, a good local writer, sailed along and wrote a good book, _The Living Grat Lakes_, about the experience. > > I once saw a CAL 25 that the owner reworked for the ICW (or > something). He chopped off the bottom foot of the keel (the lead > area), glassed the bottom of what was left, and filled the bilge with > concrete. Then he built a square box deck doghouse out of plywood > over the slide hatch area which he had cut out bigger. It was heart > breaking. The family does not like to talk about it much. Remember that Dave Martin modified his Cal 25 to make her more ocean-worthy, mostly by diminishing cockpit volume. I suspect that his changes were more tasteful that the ones you describe. Chris Campbell >

Greetings: I have just cut out the floor of head area on my cal 2-29 and found that the beam " the dreaded one " is almost all gone. I pocked a hole right through in the mid section with a screw driver. My question is; how do you get the new beam in there? If I loosen the shrouds and jack up the deck a little will that lift the bulkhead and give me a little room or do I have to take the bulkhead out?

If your going if from the head, here is a reference on how to do it. http://www.seven-cs.net/photo-gallery/cal-29-the-dreaded-beam /ch